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Channel log from 26 August 2017 (all times are UTC)
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| 09:07 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: heya, I'm trying to open a new account in wiki.ltsp.org but it hangs in the last step, do you remember if we allow new accounts or not?
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| 09:09 | vagrantc, for when you're online, your @debian.org mails are marked as spam by gmail:
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| 15:49 | <dgroos> Alas, seems like I can get fat-clients to boot, local accounts work as does internet, OR I can get fat-clients to join to our districts AD and client login work but then clients can’t access the internet. Can’t get both yet so…
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| 15:54 | I’m looking into what I would call “guest sessions” or maybe “Kiosk” mode. Does anyone have any experience with this? Problems? Suggestions for 16.04 setup? I see very little with Ubuntu 16.04, ltsp and kiosk mode
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| 16:25 | <Rahul_> Hi
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| 16:25 | I'm new to ltsp
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| 16:26 | Can we install LTSP package on Linux lite
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| 16:34 | <Rahul_> Hi
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| 16:34 | I'm new to LTSP
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| 16:34 | Can we install LTSP package on Linux lite
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| 16:36 | Hello
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| 16:38 | Can you please guide me
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| 16:40 | Hi
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| 16:42 | Hello
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| 16:51 | <dgroos> I’ve seen this Firefox addon and might give it a try on Monday but not ltsp specific: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/mkiosk/
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| 18:14 | <alkisg> dgroos: https://sourceforge.net/p/ltsp/mailman/message/27814821/
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| 18:16 | !learn ltsp-manager as LTSP Manager is a GUI tool that makes LTSP maintenance easy. It's the recommended way to install LTSP in common setups. More info: http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Ltsp-manager
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| 18:16 | <ltsp> The operation succeeded.
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| 18:17 | <dgroos> alkisg: Interesting. So could I create a bunch of local accounts (e.g. computer#1, Computer#2, Computer#3, etc and each person would login w/their computer #. What would happen if 2 people logged in w/same user?
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| 18:18 | Ah, I’ll check out that page on the ltsp-manager, didn’t know what stage it was at. Thanks
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| 18:18 | <alkisg> dgroos: if you only have fat clients, you can use the same user id, and a temporary home, not an sshfs home
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| 18:19 | <alkisg> (the ltsp-manager link wasn't targeted specifically to you, but of course you can use it if you want, e.g. it would save you the dnsmasq issues)
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| 18:20 | For thin clients, you'd need different usernames
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| 18:21 | (We'll finish the ltsp-manager uploads and documentation within a week)
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| 18:28 | <dgroos> All excited to see this new project, as I understand it is the next iteration in formalizing-sharing sch-scripts approach to ltsp management.
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| 18:29 | oh, it says that :)
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| 18:44 | <mmarconm> all the users that ltsp will user i must to create on server ?
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| 18:45 | <alkisg> mmarconm: yes
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| 18:45 | <mmarconm> i installed ltsp server with fat client, 30 machines working with lubuntu and epoptes
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| 18:45 | working perfect, autologin
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| 18:45 | <alkisg> Cool
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| 18:46 | <mmarconm> http://imgur.com/a/uAkPF < link for pictures
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| 18:47 | ltsp-server-standlone and isc-dhcp-server
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| 18:54 | alkisg: i had to hide all the names from lightdm on lubuntu, 30 users showing on login was a weird stuff
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| 19:08 | <dgroos> alkisg: all clients are fat… having just 1 generic/guest user account would be great at this point. Can you direct me to a page that tells how to set up temporay homes not not sshfs homes for this 1 user?
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| 19:10 | 2 more ltsp-manager questions: Since I’ve already set up my ltsp server mostly (still working on AD integration) would there be a problem installing ltsp-manager at this point? and
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| 19:12 | http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Ltsp-manager states there will be 3 ways to create user accounts. Will one of these ways include joining an AD/LDAP domain and then create accounts/home directory upon first login?
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| 19:14 | <alkisg> dgroos: I don't have a written page that documents temporary homes
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| 19:15 | It shouldn't be a problem to install ltsp manager as long as you're using ltsp-pnp, dnsmasq etc
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| 19:15 | The first line in that to-be wiki page will say "ignore the ltsp-manager user management features if you use ldap"
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| 19:16 | So for now, ltsp-manager only supports local accounts
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| 19:16 | The rest of its features should of course work with ldap as well
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| 19:16 | <dgroos> OK, cool.
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| 19:17 | <alkisg> You also might be able to make it shared folders feature work with ldap groups
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| 19:17 | (2 shared folders per class)
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| 19:18 | <dgroos> I’m going to seek to learn about the mounting of temp homes instead of sshfs homes.
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| 19:20 | Looking forward to explore the shared folders capabilities.
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| 19:27 | <mmarconm> alkisg: is there some tutorial to configure ldap with ltsp ?
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| 19:27 | "I’m going to seek to learn about the mounting of temp homes instead of sshfs homes." thats ll be a good stuff
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| 19:28 | <dgroos> My initial hypothesis is: I need to make a standard user, edit some config file/s so that it mounts in /temp directory (in local client or server?). Starting from there: what would you recommend as google search terms? I’m at a loss as to best starting place
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| 19:28 | mmarconm: :-)
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| 19:29 | <mmarconm> sorry for my bad eng. "from brazil"
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| 19:30 | <dgroos> mmarconm: your english looks great to me
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| 19:35 | <mmarconm> dgroos: thank you :)
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| 19:46 | <alkisg> dgroos: when /home/username exists on the client on a different file system than / (which is nbd), then the user is considered local
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| 19:47 | One way to provide that dir is with just INIT_COMMAND_xx=mkdir /run/something and then symlink it to /home/username, because /run is a tmpfs
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| 19:47 | Another way is to mount an nbd-server share via copy on write
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| 19:47 | Those things should only take 30" or so to implement..
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| 19:48 | 30' sorry (mins)
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| 19:52 | <alkisg> The nbd-server share is ideal because it also provides initial state, i.e. you customize /home/username on the server and after that with nbd all the clients get a clean copy on login
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| 19:53 | <alkisg> And it doesn't waste any ram as it's stored server-side
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| 19:55 | <dgroos> Will check into, thanks again. Also, when I did install at one point it asked a yes/no question about nbd (I think you said at one point it doesn’t matter if I choose y or n). Would that affect this effort?
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| 20:18 | <alkisg> dgroos: the installation page mentions that it doesn't matter ;)
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| 20:18 | Just documented it this morning...
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| 20:19 | <mmarconm> ltsp is a active project ?
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| 20:19 | <alkisg> !ltsp-source
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| 20:19 | <ltsp> ltsp-source: at https://git.launchpad.net/ltsp/tree/
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| 20:19 | <alkisg> See the commits there, yes it is
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| 20:19 | <mmarconm> good
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| 20:20 | <dgroos> 30 min alkisg-time or 30 min dgroos-time? ;-)
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| 20:20 | <alkisg> Development goes faster when there's funding though - that's not always the case
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| 20:20 | Heh, somewhere between...
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| 20:21 | !forget ltsp-source
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| 20:21 | <ltsp> The operation succeeded.
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| 20:21 | <alkisg> !learn ltsp-source as at https://git.launchpad.net/ltsp/
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| 20:21 | <ltsp> The operation succeeded.
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| 20:21 | <dgroos> if 30 min alkisg time than factor that up by 30 fold…
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| 20:21 | <alkisg> Hehe
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| 20:22 | <mmarconm> the diference between ltsp-server and ltsp-server-standlone, standlone is more complete ?
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| 20:23 | <alkisg> The idea was that standalone would also include isc-dhcp
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| 20:23 | Since we moved to recommending dnsmasq, it doesn't make much difference anymore
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| 20:24 | <mmarconm> alkisg: are u part of ltsp developer ?
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| 20:24 | <alkisg> Yes, there are 2 active developers currently, me and vagrantc
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| 20:26 | <mmarconm> good i would like to help too, but i am afraid that i do not have knowledge enough
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| 20:26 | i am just a python programmer :)
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| 20:35 | <dgroos> mmarconm: For AD-work I used PowerBroker Identity Services Open to good effect on 10.4-14.04. Been struggling to get it to work on 16.04. Working from here: https://github.com/BeyondTrust/pbis-open/releases
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| 20:36 | <mmarconm> dgroos: i was searching about ldap install and i found i video about powerbroker
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| 20:37 | dgroos: i never used ldap, but i wll search about
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| 20:37 | <dgroos> I got AD authentication to work a few days back, but then I couldn’t get internet connectivity on the client. Then when I got connectivity on the client, I couldn’t get join to work!
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| 20:38 | Good luck—they have an open version which is similar to their enterprise version I guess.
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| 20:38 | <mmarconm> dgroos: but do u use AD with ltsp ?
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| 20:38 | my configuration with ltsp using lubuntu i setup autologin with user per ip address
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| 20:39 | using lts.conf
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| 20:39 | <dgroos> I did up through 14.04. Not getting it to work yet and first day of school is Monday so we’ll see if I can get it working for week 2…
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| 20:40 | <mmarconm> https://github.com/mmarconm/codes/tree/master/ltsp < my configs
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| 20:40 | 50-custom.conf i used to hide users from login
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| 20:40 | <dgroos> Might be the most cost-effective way for me, sounds like setting the homes to mount in temporary would take some 900 minutes for me to implement :-D
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| 20:41 | <mmarconm> :o
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| 20:42 | i used apt-cacher-ng to make a cache of deboostrap installations and others stuffs
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| 20:42 | <alkisg> mmarconm: ltsp uses python too, so you could help if you wanted
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| 20:43 | <mmarconm> alkisg: hey good to know, yes i want
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| 20:43 | <alkisg> ltsp-build-client --mount-package-cache caches the packages
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| 20:43 | <mmarconm> alkisg: i tried but didnt work
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| 20:43 | <alkisg> !raspberrypi
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| 20:43 | <ltsp> raspberrypi: (#1) Ubuntu/LTSP on Pi 2: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/RaspberryPi, or (#2) Debian/LTSP (with raspbian chroot) on Pi: http://cascadia.debian.net/trenza/Documentation/raspberrypi-ltsp-howto/, or (#3) unofficial Ubuntu/LTSP (with raspbian chroot) on Pi: http://pinet.org.uk/
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| 20:44 | <mmarconm> so i configured apt-cacher-ng on raspberry pi 2
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| 20:44 | <alkisg> See #1 there, it provides an example .conf that uses it
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| 20:44 | <mmarconm> ok
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| 20:44 | alkisg: its possible to configure specific ip address to a MAC address and username too ?
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| 20:45 | like i used on my lts.conf
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| 20:45 | <alkisg> Sure, via [mac:address] lts.conf sections
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| 20:45 | (11:45:09 μμ) mmarconm: like i used on my lts.conf => why, when did lts.conf get removed?!
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| 20:45 | We still use lts.conf...
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| 20:46 | <mmarconm> [01-23-45-67-89-ab-cd-ef:192.168.0.100]
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| 20:46 | <alkisg> That's wrong syntax
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| 20:46 | <mmarconm> LDM_USERNAME = student1
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| 20:46 | yes
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| 20:46 | i used just with ipaddress
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| 20:46 | <alkisg> [12:34:12:12:12]
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| 20:46 | <mmarconm> https://github.com/mmarconm/codes/blob/master/ltsp/lts.conf
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| 20:46 | <alkisg> And one more. That's a mac address, not dashes and ip too
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| 20:47 | <mmarconm> but i want with ip username mapped to a mac address and ip
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| 20:47 | ahhh Ok
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| 20:52 | <mmarconm> i have to go, bbl, thankyou for you help alkisg dgroos :)
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| 21:07 | <dgroos> I think at this point, just making 30 “guest1” “guest2” etc accounts and have students log in w/corresponding #’s and tell them not to save anything will be the most cost-effective approach until things are authenticating properly. Thanks alkisg for your help.
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| 21:08 | <alkisg> dgroos: whatever suits you; I'm always available for hire if you need help.
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| 21:09 | You can also use the first link i gave you with different accounts to erase documents and desktops only
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| 21:09 | Your call :)
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| 21:11 | <dgroos> That’s great you offer that service and may still call before the start of the school year is over…
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| 21:11 | ah yes… I’ll check back to that now…
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| 21:19 | <dgroos> Right, that did look like a great solution. Would I put the file at: /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm/rc.d/S00-guest-sessions or /opt/ltsp/iamd64/usr/share/ldm/rc.d/S00-guest-sessions? Currently the only thing I have now past “/opt/ltsp/“ is “/opt/ltsp/images/“ and inside of that only have amd64.img and amd64.img.old.
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| 21:20 | *amd64
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| 21:35 | am trying… and using ‘sudo ltsp-update-image --cleanup /‘ instead of what it recommends on that page ‘sudo ltsp-update-image’ as not sure if things have changed though maybe doesn’t matter.
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| 21:36 | * alkisg waves to vagrantc | |
| 21:36 | <alkisg> Progress with ltsp-manager today :)
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| 21:39 | * vagrantc cheers | |
| 21:39 | <alkisg> !ltsp-manager
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| 21:39 | <ltsp> ltsp-manager: LTSP Manager is a GUI tool that makes LTSP maintenance easy. It's the recommended way to install LTSP in common setups. More info: http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Ltsp-manager
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