IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 8 September 2014   (all times are UTC)

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07:09
<gdi2k_>
we have an LTSP client dedicated to recreational (employee facebook terminal!) and would like to have it work as a kiosk; auto login, no user data stored permanently etc. what's the easiest way to achieve that?
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09:25
<dinakis>
αλκη εισαι On-line φιλε?
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09:32
<alkisg>
Γεια σου dinakis
09:32
Γράψε: /j #ts.sch.gr
09:32
!greek
09:32
<ltsp`>
greek: Στο παρόν κανάλι μιλάνε μόνο Αγγλικά, για υποστήριξη στα Ελληνικά από την υπηρεσία Τεχνικής Στήριξης ΣΕΠΕΗΥ διαβάστε το http://ts.sch.gr/wiki/IRC και στη συνέχεια πληκτρολογήστε /j #ts.sch.gr
09:33
<dinakis>
cool
09:33
<gdi2k_>
on the ubuntu fat client wiki page, there is a section about NBD compression. Does this still apply to ubuntu 14.04 ? I have no /etc/ltsp/ltsp-update-image.conf on my server.
09:33
<dinakis>
alki thelo to eksis paikti
09:33
egine kati me to squid file?
09:34
afotmatopoiihtike katholou?
09:34
<alkisg>
dinakis: διάβασε λίγο βρε συ αυτά που γράφω... είμαστε σε λάθος κανάλι
09:34
Γράψε: /j #ts.sch.gr
09:34
Και μιλάμε σ' εκείνο το κανάλι, που είναι ελληνικό
09:34
/join #ts.sch.gr
09:35
<gdi2k_>
that's all Greek to me! ;)
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09:37
<alkisg>
Yeah that's what I was telling him, to join the greek channel instead of here
09:37
<gdi2k_>
hehe, yes, it's an English expression / idiom, but could be used literally here. ("Greek to me")
09:38
alkisg, is NBD compression already enabled in 14.04 ?
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12:32
<gothaggis>
what is the best way to mount a samba share on thin clients? in ubuntu 10.04 i created a script in ltsp chroot /etc/init.d/sambaMounts.sh
12:32
however in 14.04 I tried that and it doesn't appear to run
12:33
if i drop to a local term, su root, and run the script, my mounts show
12:34
maybe i just need to update-rc.d
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<gothaggis>
that was it, doh
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14:41
<JuJuBee>
Where is best document for install/setup ltsp server for fat client?
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15:52
<gdi2k_>
we use epoptes quite a lot, and sometimes the preview icon on the overview page switches back to the static "fat" icon mid-session, even though the user is still logged in, making it look like the user is logged out. any idea how to prevent that?
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16:21
<alkisg>
gothaggis: FSTAB_1 or RCFILES_01, see the lts.conf manpage
16:21
!lts.conf
16:21
<ltsp`>
lts.conf: (#1) http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf, or (#2) lts.conf manpage is available in the ltsp-docs package
16:21
<alkisg>
gdi2k_: yes, nbd compression in on by default in 14.04
16:22
<JuJuBee>
alkisg: where can I find good documentation on installing fresh ltsp server (standalone) and building FAT clients?
16:22
<alkisg>
gdi2k_: About the epoptes preview icon, it probably means that the "session" epoptes client, the one that runs inside the user session, has exited. E.g. that happens after 3 failed attempts to contact the client.
16:23
!fatclients
16:23
<ltsp`>
fatclients: You may find some info about the Ubuntu/LTSP implementation of fat clients at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
16:23
<alkisg>
!ltsp-pnp
16:23
<ltsp`>
ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
16:23
<alkisg>
JuJuBee: read them both, select one of them...
16:24
<JuJuBee>
alkisg: the first mentions ubuntu 11.10, will it work with 14.04?
16:24
<alkisg>
Yes, it might need a couple of adjustments
16:24
I haven't read the first one in a long time, many people have edited it since i wrote it...
16:25
I'm using the second one nowadays
16:29
<JuJuBee>
I had the first method running on 12.10 but was having trouble upgrading so I decided to rebuild server from scratch. Im kind of used to the way the first method works.
16:29
If I install ltsp-server-standalone, do I need to install tftp and dhcp servers or do they come along with?
16:30
<gdi2k_>
alkisg, thanks for the answers. re the static icon issue, is there some setting to prolong the timeouts or increase failed checks before ending the internal session? not sure why it would not be able to contact theh client, network is fast, clients are responsive and not overloaded. Haven't been able to detect a pattern yet
16:30
<alkisg>
Usually ~/.xsession-errors from the user might have an indication why it failed
16:31
Can't increase the timeouts without modifying the code... (python)
16:38
<gdi2k_>
alkisg, thanks, did find some references to epoptes in xsession-errors, but they look reasonably normal: * Epoptes-client connecting to server:789... ...done.
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18:26
<Mip>
Hi - getting super slow “reading package list” speeds after upgrading from 12.04.5 (3.2 kernel) to 14.04.1. I get this during apt-get update and while trying to build new thin client. System has 2 quadcore processors, 24 gigs of memory, using software raid 1 on 2 disks (/ and /home on separate partitions). I had a similar issue when I was running the 3.5 kernel, but the issue went away when I went back to the 3.2 kernel. Thoughts?
18:28
<vagrantc>
but only happens with LTSP, not with the regular system?
18:28
<Mip>
no - getting it on regular system as well.
18:31
results of iostat here: http://pastebin.com/v1vCsf6r
18:33
<vagrantc>
hopefully someone can help you, but you might have better luck on an ubuntu channel?
18:34
<Mip>
ok thanks. Strange as a simple dell PC will finish that step in less than 1 sec, and this server is taking more than 10 minutes, and is only at 40%!
18:54
<||cw>
looks like an issue with md
18:55
actually, that might also be an iostat issue. if you run iostat -m 1 it looks very different after a couple seconds
18:55
I typically do iostat -x -m 1 and look at %util
18:56
ah, no -m1 is stats since startup, which is not usually very relevant when diagnosing specific issues
18:57
<vagrantc>
well, i presume you're only running a particular kernel for each boot, so it might be fine in this case...
18:57
<||cw>
Mip: is your raid still syncing for some reason?
18:58
high tps on the disks and not on the md0 is not normal for a sync'd raid
18:58
<Mip>
results of iostat -x -m 1 http://pastebin.com/15wp4iWf
18:58
<||cw>
Mip: now run that while doing the apt-update
18:59
<Mip>
Update is currently running
18:59
<||cw>
you have a lot of writes per second. it's not flooding the disks though
19:00
<Mip>
output of cat /proc/mdstat http://pastebin.com/ZGzmR30M
19:02
<||cw>
it's not a disk bottleneck that I can tell
19:02
<Mip>
my knowledge is pretty limited, I guess. What’s strange is that I definitely had this issue when I upgraded from a 3.2 kernel to a 3.5 kernel with ubu 12.04 and ltsp. Issue went away when I went back to 3.2. I figured the issue wouldn’t occur with the new kernels and new versions.
19:02
<||cw>
since it's dual socket, it could be a NUMA config issue
19:02
<Mip>
How would I test that?
19:03
<||cw>
I haven't seen that in a long time though, and my only dual socket that's native is running an older kernel
19:03
not sure
19:03
numa stuff has all changed a lot since I last needed to pay attention
19:03
<Mip>
I saw this when searching for slow “reading package lists” echo 3 | sudo tee /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches
19:04
in relation to this post: http://askubuntu.com/questions/251781/reading-package-list-takes-forever
19:05
can you tell me what a decent iostat output would look like? What sort of performance would be reasonable?
19:07
In the above case, the issues seem to plague systems with more than 18 gbs of memory.
19:10
<||cw>
those all seem reasonable
19:10
if the %util gets near 100, you're disk bottlenecked
19:11
a high await will often accompany that
19:11
the rest will vary significant depending on the application's IO profile
19:11
<Mip>
ok - thanks. The highest I’ve seen %util is %53, but it’s mostly hanging out at less than %5.
19:12
%iowait is typically < %10
19:13
Regarding sda, sdb and md0 and md1 stats. md1 is /home. The other 3 are typically pretty close to the same number, so I think the disks are staying synced.
19:14
Can you explain the the /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches recommendation? Does this manually fix memory cache issues?
19:15
<||cw>
https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sysctl/vm.txt
19:15
search on page there, there's an index, and further explanations
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19:17
<||cw>
did it make any difference? there's really few cases where it would
19:18
<Mip>
Actually, it didn’t seem to do anyting right away, but a few moments later, the update process had moved along, and packages were being downloaded. So I think it might have helped.
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19:20
<Mip>
Still downloading now. I have an internal mirror, but unfortunately didn’t see how to build a new client using that source (figured it would have copied from /etc/apt/source.list, but it didn’t.
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19:22
<Mip>
Another question - can I make my thin clients into fat clients after they have been built, or should I specify fat client when building the initial image?
19:23
<||cw>
fat has a lot more packages
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19:24
<Mip>
In that case would it be better to build the image that way? For the most part, these 40 machines use chrome and firefox. They use google docs for most of their storage.
19:25
<||cw>
you have to build for fat to be a fat client
19:26
I'm not even sure the standard thin install has a window manager. and it would only have a browser if you included it as a localapp
19:27
<JuJuBee>
I wish to mount my user homes from a different server than the ltsp server. In /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/amd64/lts.conf I have -- FSTAB_0="192.168.6.200:/home /home nfs defaults 0 0" -- and on server where Homes are in /etc/exports I have /home 192.168.6.0/255.255.255.0(sync,no_subtree_check,no_root_squash,rw) BUT they are not mounting
19:36
<Mip>
Is this the right documentation for building a fat client? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients It says it works for 11.10, but at the bottom it looks like it’s been updated: last edited 2014-08-02 14:07:40 by chemicalsequence)
19:38
<||cw>
JuJuBee: is it just not mounting, or is it getting overrriden by ssh?
19:39
Mip: looks right, you can always check the man page to see if the options are the same
19:40
<Mip>
okay - thanks *so* much! I’m gonna grab a quick lunch and hit it again in a little bit.
19:47
<JuJuBee>
||cw: how do i tell?
19:48
<||cw>
well, what's the dirs?
19:48
what's in^
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19:48
<||cw>
is it that o fhte default image, or that of the ltsp server?
19:48
and did you disable the ssh home mount
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19:53
<JuJuBee>
||cw: I had the users on the ltsp server at first, then created them (same uid/gid) on second server. When I log in as on of the users, i see the docs from the ltsp server still
19:54
I just installed new OS (ubuntu) and ltsp-server-standalone etc and set it up
19:54
How do I disable ssh mount ?
20:09
<||cw>
finding conflicts in the docs, NFS_HOME=/home might work
20:11
<JuJuBee>
||cw: in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/amd64/lts.conf ?
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<JuJuBee>
||cw: I tried putting that in lts.conf and it still doesn't work. I still get home from ltsp server
20:31
||cw: what other config files are there? I must have set something to disable ssh mounting in my old server
20:37
If I modify /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/amd64/lts.conf do I need to ltsp-update image etc..?
20:42
<||cw>
shoudln't need to. this isn't something i've done before myself
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21:04
<gothaggis>
anyone have luck getting spark jabber client running on x64 thin clients? having a hell of a time
21:04
works fine on my stand alone ubuntu 14.04 x64 machine
21:04
had to do some trickery because i guess its a java 32bit vm though
21:05
basically i had to apt-get install libxtst6:i386 and libxi6:i386
21:05
this worked fine, but when i chroot to tc image to try to perform the same, it tells me packages can't be found
21:06
(i was using tkabber for jabber client before this, but looks like there is a bug with it and ubuntu 14.04 that prevents from sending group messages)
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<||cw>
gothaggis: if it works on the server it should work on the clients
21:16
unless you mean localapps?
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<gothaggis>
i am apt-get install libxi6:i386 works on the server but when i chroot into client it says "package not found"
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<||cw>
ok, but is it for localapps
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<gothaggis>
or rather "unable to locate package"
21:17
yes
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<||cw>
same sources?
21:17
<gothaggis>
yep
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<||cw>
apt-get update?
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<gothaggis>
yeah it updates, but running apt-get install libxi6:i86 still returns unable to locate package. its weird
21:22
same thing for libxtst6:i386
21:24
ahhh
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so the problem i think is that its a 64bit image but the package is 386.....my terminology is probably incorrect, but i'm guessing the thin client image isnt multiarch?
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32bit
21:25
rather
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