IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 28 January 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<edgarin>
Hi to all people
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What are you doing?
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<edgarin>
Hi
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jammcq, are you there?
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<Sasha_>
hey guys
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Has anyone succesfully run ekiga on the client ?
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I am stuck building it inside LBE
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<a7ash>
hey guys
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<str4nd>
hay
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<a7ash>
Hi str4nd
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I was wondering if you ever used ekiga on LTSP
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4.2
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<str4nd>
hmm, i'm not..
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<Joffrey>
hallo can anyone give me tips on securing my ltsp server in Ubuntu or Edubuntu
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<Joffrey>
hallo can anyone give me tips on securing my ltsp server in Ubuntu or Edubuntu
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<Joffrey>
anyone here ?
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<cliebow_>
Joffrey:zup?
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<Joffrey>
do you know something about ssh tunnelin in Ubuntu ?
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<Joffrey>
do you know something about ssh tunnelin in Ubuntu ?
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<mighty-d>
Hi, i was wondering can i plug an usb webcam on the thin clients and use it?
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<cliebow_>
mighty-d:what drivers are necessary for sais camera?
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this ltsp-5 or 4.2?
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for instance..ovcamchip driver is in both ppc and i386 versions of ltsp5
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qc-usb is not
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even then..how are you going to get output to the server where your desktop is ..
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<irule>
hi
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what is the corrcect autologin configuration for opensuse 10.2 I added it to kdmrc to no avail :s
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<irule>
ping
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<cliebow_>
pong
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<irule>
hi, where does opensuse 10.2 actually add autologin configuration? I know I can choose it with yast2 but I want to add it to X terminals to individually autologin to a speciffic user
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hi cliebopw_
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hi cliebow_
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<cliebow_>
hi..on the phone too
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<irule>
ping
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<jvin248>
? Any suggestions on enabling automatic dhcp3-server starting at bootup? Running Kubuntu 6.10 and I have to manually run server after a hard reboot, runs fine thereafter until next hard reboot.
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<cliebow>
rcconf?
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is easy
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just like ntsysv in redhat
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<irule>
hi, where does opensuse 10.2 actually add autologin configuration? I know I can choose it with yast2 but I want to add it to X terminals to individually autologin to a speciffic user
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<erdinc>
hi everyone
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<jammcq>
jvin248: look at the manpage for update-rc.d
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<cliebow_>
jammcq:!!!!!!!!!!!!
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you know how the initrd is set up in ubuntu? id like to poke around
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<jammcq>
you prolly need something like: update-rc.d dhcp3-server defaults
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<cliebow_>
cant seem to mount -t ext2 -o loop
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<jammcq>
cliebow_: it's not really an initrd. it's an initramfs
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totally different beast
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cliebow_: do this: file initrd
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and see what it says
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prolly 'gzipped blah blah'
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cliebow_: you with me?
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<cliebow_>
yeah gzipped..
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<jammcq>
ok, so now, lets gunzip a COPY of it. do this: gunzip <initrd.img-2.6.15-27.686 >/tmp/initrd.img
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plug in the correct original filename
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<cliebow_>
k
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<jammcq>
ok, now, run 'file' on the result
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see what it says
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you'll notice it's NOT a filesystem :)
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<irule>
hi, where does opensuse 10.2 actually add autologin configuration? I know I can choose it with yast2 but I want to add it to X terminals to individually autologin to a speciffic user
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<cliebow_>
gotta look up inknow suffix business
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<jammcq>
irule: no clue
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cliebow_: huh ?
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<cliebow_>
Balls
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gd laptop
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<jammcq>
cliebow_: did you run: file /tmp/initrd.img
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<cliebow_>
got to look up gunzip and unknown suffix
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<jammcq>
cliebow_: you didn't use '<', did you?
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<cliebow_>
no
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<jammcq>
gunzip <infile >outfile
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yeah, you need to do that
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<cliebow_>
gotta add a suffix maybe?
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<jammcq>
no
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do what I said
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feed the file to gzip, via stdin
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send stdout to a new file
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gzip <INFILE >OUTFILE
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err
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gunzip <INFILE >OUTFILE
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or, if you prefer:
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cat INFILE | gunzip >OUTFILE
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<cliebow_>
ggunzip: initrd.img-2.6.17-10-powerpc: unknown suffix -- ignored...gotta look up
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<jammcq>
cliebow_: STOP IT !!!!
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you aren't listening to me
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you MUST use the '<'
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gunzip <initrd.img-2.6.17-10-powerpc >initrd.img
15:37* jammcq wonders if cliebow_'s laptop doesn't have a '<' key
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<cliebow_>
ahh..looking
15:38* jammcq wonders looking at what
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<cliebow_>
ASCII cpio file
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<jammcq>
heh, BINGO
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do you know about cpio ?
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it's just like a tarball, but they used 'cpio' instead of 'tar'
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<cliebow_>
never used cpio
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<jammcq>
ok, you wanna see what's in the file? do this:
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cpio -itv <initrd.img
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<cliebow_>
cool
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<jammcq>
the 't' says "show me a table of contents"
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the 'v' says "and display it on stdout, so I can actually see it
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<irule>
is there an micro distribution to add to the hard disk of a client to put an lzlilo in it preserving the srunk windows partition?
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<jammcq>
'micro' ?
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an who uses 'lilo' anymore
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<cliebow_>
jammcq:cool..evrytime i press on right side of laptop it does a ctrl-v
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<jammcq>
heh
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cliebow_: don't press on the right side :)
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<irule>
can it added to grub? Id like to start the thing clients with the hard disk to free cdrom and floppy
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thin
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<cliebow_>
put the p and l keys somewhere else
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i see the "filesystem
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<jammcq>
irule: you don't need a micro distribution to do that, you just need to add grub or lilo to the hard disk, and have it load either the Etherboot image or the windows loader
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cliebow_: ok, you wanna extract that archive, so you can look at the details?
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<cliebow_>
yeah!
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<irule>
thanks jammcq, so is there a website with detailed instructions on doing what you just told me? Im not quite an expert here lol
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<jammcq>
irule: umm, dunno. there used to be the 'Linux Documentation Project' that had all kinds of things like that. it's been years since I mucked around with that stuff
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cliebow_: here's what I would do:
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1) mkdir /tmp/initrd
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2) cd /tmp/initrd
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3) cpio ivmud </tmp/initrd.img
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BE CAREFUL
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<cliebow_>
ok!
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<jammcq>
if you happen to be in the wrong directory, like '/', you can trash your computer
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<cliebow_>
-ivmud?
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<jammcq>
cpio works in 3 different modes, either 'copy in', 'copy out' or 'pass-through'
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in this case, you are reading an archive, so that's "copy in", that's what the '-i' is for
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'v' for verbose
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'm' to preserve permissions and ownership
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'u' to do it unconditionally
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<cliebow_>
gotta sommma reading to do...
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<jammcq>
'd' to create directories as needed
15:48* jammcq has been using cpio for many many years
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<jammcq>
since I was first introduced to unix, back in 1984
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<cliebow_>
i was asking about the dash..i got the filesystem now
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<jammcq>
dash? that's how you denote options
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ah, I see
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I missed the '-'
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bwahahahahahahaha
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tar is funny, it works with or without the dash
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cpio requires (like most other programs)
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<cliebow_>
i see then do all in reverse..the part about trashing your computer made me ask first
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ok..so the kernel loads lunpacks the initramfs..then the bash script says mkdir /sys
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mkdir /tmp
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etc
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<jammcq>
which bash script?
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<cliebow_>
mkdir /tmp
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init
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mkdir -p /var/lock
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<jammcq>
yeah, 'init' is what's called. it does all the stuff that is needed, to prepare the real-root filesystem for mounting
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you are into the bowels of the linux boot process
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<cliebow_>
mount -t sysfs none /sys -onodev,noexec,nosuid
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that is what i was kind of hoping for..
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<jammcq>
yeah, mounts the pseudo filesystem 'sysfs'
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you should see it mounting /proc too
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<cliebow_>
no other way to get my head around what iis happening
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<jammcq>
and maybe /dev/pts and /dev/usb
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I don't remember if those are still needed
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<cliebow_>
mount -t proc none /proc -onodev,noexec,nosuid
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Cool.it is well commented as well
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any help to you to mail it to you for reference?
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<jammcq>
what are you looking for?
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<cliebow_>
initramfs.conf
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a good time..
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<jammcq>
hmm, i'm not sure that file is actually inside the initramfs
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<cliebow_>
just trying to get my head around it
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<jammcq>
I think it's used during the creation of the initramfs, by the initramfs-tools
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but... I could be wrong
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<cliebow_>
i see /conf/iniramfs.conf
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<jammcq>
oh yeah
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<cliebow_>
Busybox
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i can copy paste em and mail em to you..this is the powerpc one
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<jammcq>
what would I be looking for?
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seems like you are well on your way
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i'm looking at an initramfs from a dapper machine right now
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2.6.15-27
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<cliebow_>
kind of pondering the device detection piece...but i guess that is in the nfsmount prett much
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<jammcq>
device detection is probably handled by udev
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<cliebow_>
oh right
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i feel so helpless thrying to troubleshoot without poking around a little
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<jammcq>
with open source, you are never helpless
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<cliebow_>
amen..been trying to catch ogra..tell him i got the ppc ltsp5 running on my lappie
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so right now most of the dev for sound is in the "chroot" right?
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<jammcq>
umm
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probably. I don't think any sound stuff would be in the initramfs, it's not needed for booting
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<cliebow_>
sure..
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how do the kernel options specified in dhcpd.conf get executed..ohh sya specifying a nic type?
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nfs options?
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<jammcq>
umm, I don't have a clue how they did that in the ubuntu kernels
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I only know how I did it with LTSP kernels, and that's completely different
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<cliebow_>
dhcp on alternate port? how did you
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in 5 seconds or less
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<jammcq>
I did that on the dhclient command line, inside the init script
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but ubuntu's stuff is way different
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<cliebow_>
i wonder if alternate port is supported? im gonna poke around somemore
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thanks jammcq: i learned a lot
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<jammcq>
cool
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<jvin248>
jammcq, ok, I tried out "update-rc.d dhcp3-server defaults" which returned "System startup links for /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server already exist"
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<cliebow>
jvin248:APT-GET INSTALL RCCONF
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sorry
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<jvin248>
cliebow, installed and ran rcconf, is it supposed to show dhcp3-server (it's not there)?
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<edgarin_>
Hi
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some people in the channel?
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<cliebow_>
it should...
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<edgarin_>
cliebow_, hi
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I have a problem with my ltsp
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:S
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I need help
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I have 2 stations but, when I go in a terminal to play a flash game with firefox
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<cliebow_>
weird..mineisnt either
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<edgarin_>
the sound of this game is played in the server
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howto i can remove the sound of the terminals?
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<cliebow_>
edgarin_:somehow your sound is not being redirected..
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<edgarin_>
and howto I can direct this sound?
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<cliebow_>
you have the sound scipt in /etc/profile.d
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i am not good at this
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<edgarin_>
I only /etc/profile
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in the server
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<cliebow_>
distro?
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<edgarin_>
Ubuntu
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<cliebow_>
hmm.did you check wiki?
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<edgarin_>
yes, but in this page not have thi problem
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<cliebow_>
best thing is to catch Gadi tomorrow..
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<edgarin_>
I'm back
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<cliebow_>
!seen ogra
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<ltspbot`>
cliebow_: ogra was last seen in #ltsp 2 days, 7 hours, 29 minutes, and 22 seconds ago: <ogra> since you get beyond that steps
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19:02* vagrantc breathes a sigh of relief as ltsp 0.99debian11 finally made it into debian etch
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<J45p3r>
cliebow: ping?
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<edgarin>
Hi people!
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<jammcq>
hey edgarin
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<edgarin>
jammcq, hey, how are you??
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<jammcq>
doing very well, how are you doing?
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<edgarin>
jammcq, all fine
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<jammcq>
great to hear
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<edgarin>
in this moment I have a problem
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<jammcq>
oh?
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<edgarin>
I can't configurate the nasd server
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in the terminal
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<jammcq>
hmm, are you sure you want to use nasd? that's very old
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<edgarin>
I have problems with esd
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<jammcq>
you'll probably have more problems with nasd
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<edgarin>
beacause, the server have ubuntu
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ohh!!
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jammcq, exist another sound server ?
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<jammcq>
just esd and nasd
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in the future, we'll have pulseaudio
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but that's not shipping in any distros yet
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<edgarin>
cool!
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see the problem
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The ltsp server have Ubuntu installed
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the version is Dapper
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Dapper use in all esd
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<jammcq>
ok, that should be fine
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<edgarin>
but, in the terminal with esd
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I can't listen music
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<jammcq>
why not?
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<edgarin>
I don't know
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I configure the esd output plugin in the xmms
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and I put the Ip adress and the port
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the xmms show the song is playing, but the speakers don't have sound
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<petre>
edgarin, have you tried 'esdplay somefile.wav' ?
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<jammcq>
you probably need to talk to someone who understands the audio stuff much better than I do, like Gadi or sbalneav
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or petre
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:)
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<edgarin>
:)
19:40* petre is trying to learn about sound
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<edgarin>
petre, I try this in this moment wait..
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the sound is played
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but, the sound is listened in the server
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no in the terminal
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because Ubuntu use esd by default
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and this is my big problem
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<jammcq>
that shouldn't be a problem, that should make it easier
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<petre>
hmm, if the sound is happening at the server, it suggests communication to the client's daemon isn't happening
19:44* petre wonders if that means the daemon isn't loading on the client
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<edgarin>
I'm back in 10 minutes
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19:52* vagrantc suspects the appropriate variables are not set.
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<cliebow>
J45p3r:Pono
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J45p3r:Pong
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<J45p3r>
hey
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just wondering if you are hitting lamoine in the AM?
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<cliebow>
should i?
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ti think they are all set up..looked so Friday Afternoon
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<J45p3r>
ok, carl was wondering
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I'll be at BEM making sure they get going
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<cliebow>
i think ill come to school..and call then?
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<J45p3r>
ok, as long as they know proctor logins they should be ok
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<cliebow>
i dont know them...or how to sna them
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i dont know them...or how to snag them
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<J45p3r>
do you know susans login at the nwea site?
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<cliebow>
yes curric
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thikn i have it in the notes
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heh
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<J45p3r>
ok, login there and it is under "enrollment summary"
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<cliebow>
ill check it
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<J45p3r>
for each of the schools
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<cliebow>
my g3 boots to ltsp5 login now...
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are there video differences between first year laptops and second?
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<J45p3r>
meaning MLTI 1 to MLTI 2 or literally year 1 and 2?
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<cliebow>
year 1 year 2..g4 uses radeon driver..and the g3 at home the same
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but one at school i tried had an x problem
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<J45p3r>
possibly the first year was 500MHz G3s, the second year was and 700MHZ, not sure about video changes though
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<cliebow>
i think cat /proc/cpuinfo tells the version
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<J45p3r>
i'm gonna hit the sack, see you tomorrow
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<cliebow>
J45p3r:any way..catch up wtih you later..get any sledding oin?
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crikey!
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good night..
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<petre>
jammcq: ping?
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<PMantis>
mistik1, !!
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