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Channel log from 28 April 2011   (all times are UTC)

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<listpi>
#ulteo
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01:14
<listpi>
m doing usb detection on thin client ....it is getting deteting as /dev/sdb1 but not showing
01:14
y
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<blueonyx>
ahoi, having trouble with mounting my fc's internal hdd i read the manual and for rdesktops it says there should be the ltspfs pkg installed in the chroot, do i need it without rdesktop too?
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01:51
<blueonyx>
hmm, why does gksudo always ask for root passwd not the current users one?
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04:21
<markit>
alexqwesa: hi, how are you? how is your sch-script (don't remember the exact name, my notes are at home, now I'm at work) going?
04:42
<blueonyx>
hey, should i be worried about this unknown partition table? http://pastebin.com/03bA8d0j
04:47
how can i run some client specific script to mount the local disks?
04:48
<Appiah>
there's a option for mounting localdisks
04:48
you could specifiy the client in lts.conf with the macadress
04:48
and then the option
04:48
<blueonyx>
doesnt work
04:49
<Appiah>
any error?
04:49
<blueonyx>
LOCALDEV and LOCALDEV_DENY_INTERNAL_DISKS
04:49
no error
04:49
maybe the unknown partition table: http://pastebin.com/03bA8d0j
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<blueonyx>
usb/cd gets automounted
04:50
but not the local disks
04:51
<listpi>
buleonyx: have u tried with this
04:51
blueonyx : local hard disk detecttion
04:52
<blueonyx>
listpi: what do you mean? i dont think so
04:52
but the disks get detected and root can mount them, but only root :(
04:54
<listpi>
blueonyx : but in my on client side disk is getting detected as /dev/sda ..i can see by using fdisk -l ...but not getting mouting therefore i can't use it
04:55
blueonyx : what u have done for detecting local hardisk on client side so that he can save thier data
04:57
<blueonyx>
listpi: i think i'm in the same position as you: fdisk -l shows everything, but only root can mount them
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04:59
<listpi>
k ....how you are mounting through root....can u please let me know
05:00
<blueonyx>
activate the root account in the chroot, open some terminal (ctr+alt+f1), login, run something like: mkdir /media/sdX; mount /dev/sdX /media/sdX -o paramtomakeavailabletousers
05:01
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev
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05:10
<listpi>
blueonyx : can i have ur email id so that we can furthere discuss because i am doing the same thing as u
05:11
<alkisg>
markit: you said alexqwesa, did you mean to ask me?
05:12
<robehend11>
seems like more and more people starting up with LTSP these days. Makes me happy
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05:15
<blueonyx>
can we specify scripts to run after boot, client specific?
05:16
<alkisg>
blueonyx: sure, with RC_FILExx in lts.conf with specific mac address sections
05:16
Or you mean after logon/
05:16
?
05:16
<blueonyx>
alkisg: doesnt need to be after logon, just as workaround to mount local harddisks
05:16
<alkisg>
Sure, man lts.conf => read RC_FILE*
05:17
RCFILE_01...RCFILE_10
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A custom rc file, default unset
05:17
<robehend11>
blueonyx: would pam_mount work for local hard disks? I've never tried it, but I know it worked for my network shares.
05:18
<blueonyx>
thanks alkisg
05:18
alkisg: is this lts.conf man page not in the ubuntu packages?
05:18
<alkisg>
blueonyx: apt-get install ltsp-docs, if you're on debian/ubuntu
05:18
<blueonyx>
robehend11: do you have a howto on this?
05:18
<robehend11>
blueonyx: lemme see if I still have that one sitting around.
05:19
<markit>
alkisg: lol, sure, was directed to you, sorry
05:19
<alkisg>
markit: sch-scripts work fine for 1 year now in about 400 schools here
05:20
<markit>
btw, with fat clients the teacher can't simply install an app into the server and have it available to all the clients, this is a big problem to me... or there is some magic trick?
05:20
<robehend11>
markit: Update the image after you install the app in the chroot
05:20
markit: works fine in our classrooms.
05:20
<markit>
alkisg: what about the english translation? I've found a friend of mine that has a couple of friends that could translate from greek to italian, probably
05:21
<blueonyx>
alkisg: how is it run by the lts..? like /etc/init.d/myscript start? or without param
05:21
<alkisg>
No, he can't, fat clients == 2 different installations need to be maintained, 1 for thin clients, and 1 in the chroot for fat clients
05:21
<markit>
robehend11: yes, but you can't install the app in the chroot with kpackagekit , don't you?
05:21
<robehend11>
markit: no clue, never tried. :(
05:21
<markit>
robehend11: lol, thanks anyway :)
05:21
<alkisg>
markit: dgroos has done the english translation, he says that it works ok for him except for some minor glitches
05:22
<robehend11>
alkisg: works here too. No issues.
05:22
<alkisg>
blueonyx: there's an example in the lts.conf manpage :)
05:22
robehend11: you're using sch-scripts?
05:22
<markit>
alkisg: btw, with google translator I've seen a reference of dnsmasq set as proxy dhcp, where could I find the exact config to do so?
05:22
<robehend11>
alkisg: yep, Dgroos showed me your english translation you had hosted up.
05:22
<alkisg>
Whoo, we have 2 english users :D
05:22
<markit>
robehend11: where are you from? what distro?
05:22
<robehend11>
alkisg: and we're both in the same state, so it works!
05:23
<alkisg>
In 12.04 we'll do a proper translation, starting from english + localizing to greek later on
05:23
<robehend11>
markit: Minnesota USA, and Ubuntu 10.04
05:23
<alkisg>
markit: here's the english version: http://users.sch.gr/alkisg/tosteki/index.php?topic=3220.0
05:23
And here's the info for proxydhcp: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ProxyDHCP
05:23
<markit>
I'm fighting with primary schools teacher's ignorance and will to stay with broken windows at the moment, so DEPRESSING
05:24
<robehend11>
blueonyx: here is a link that has some pam-mount info on it. Not exactly what your looking for, but should be adaptable
05:24
<markit>
they use every irrational argument to turn the migration off
05:24
<robehend11>
blueonyx: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ActiveDirectoryIntegration
05:24
<markit>
alkisg: I'll have a look tonight and try to test this weekend
05:24
<robehend11>
markit: I went through the same thing. What are you running into? I may have the answers, since I've had mine up in my primary for a good year now
05:24
<blueonyx>
robehend11: thanks, will look into
05:25
<markit>
robehend11: they are so ignorant that can't understand the difference among applications and OS
05:25
don't understand the file format issues
05:25
for them everything that does not work is "linux"
05:25
<robehend11>
Sad to say, but the way around that is to make sure "as much as possible" that there are no incompatibilities.
05:25
<markit>
so if you produce a .docx and open with LibreOffice and the format is not perfetc, is Linux problem
05:25
even if they are under Windows :)
05:26
<robehend11>
ah, i see, I see. You've given them a scapegoat, and they're jumping on it
05:26
<markit>
robehend11: they should know what they do, but they don't, are like trained monkeys
05:26
(un)trained monkeys, I have to say
05:26
<robehend11>
They're not tech people. To many teachers, a computer is a computer is a computer, as long as it works.
05:26
That wont ever change, no point in bashing your head against that wall.
05:27
<markit>
they misunderstand and misinterpret every word you say
05:27
to enforce their will to stay with a not working classroom
05:27
<robehend11>
markit: And will sadly continue to do so. Key is to grin, bear it, and think of a creative way around it
05:28
markit: example: our 2nd grade HATED the LTSP terminals I put in their room last summer. Didn't like the interface, didn't like firefox over Safari, on and on and on.
05:28
<alkisg>
LTSP is a good chance to push linux to classrooms, because it works on old hardware, and many schools lack the money to upgrade their hardware. Silly reason, but works fine for the transition :)
05:29
<robehend11>
markit: way around it? I through Tux Math and Tux Type on the machine, and show'd the students how to access them. The kids loved playing games with math, and their skills improved. At christmas, the teachers asked for more of those "Penguin Game Machines"
05:29
<markit>
not so open minded here, they never saw linux and already decided that is bad
05:30
they don't even let me install there
05:30
<robehend11>
Of course they did. It doesnt have a giant Apple Sticker on it, and no one at their conferences and staff meetings are telling them how its the next best thing.
05:30
<markit>
even if in a higer grade school I've made it work
05:30
<robehend11>
markit: My first LTSP server was one I had to donate myself, due to no hardware available. Getting in the door is hard.
05:30
<markit>
if you consider that those are person that should educate our children...
05:31
<robehend11>
maybe grab the old machines at next refresh cycle, the ones they were gonna recycle, and slap Ubuntu on them? lower risk, and gets you in the door.
05:31
<markit>
hehehe, I need 3.000 euros to make the classroom work
05:31
server + ups + gbswitch
05:31
ok, let's say 2.500
05:31
<robehend11>
no need for GB
05:31
10/100 works fine
05:31
<markit>
6GB ram
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<markit>
maybe I should go for a cheap compatible ... 1000 euros + 300 switch
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05:32
<markit>
but is beyond my pockets
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05:32
<markit>
for a "donation"
05:32
<alkisg>
05:32
<markit>
since they already hate me, lol
05:33
alkisg: money is not an issue, parents would tax themselves, 15 euros for family
05:33
200 families
05:33
<robehend11>
you can change a technolgy fee?!
05:33
<markit>
just I can't install the server first, and then see if they like
05:33
<robehend11>
er, charge*
05:34
<markit>
robehend11: government gives really few money to schools, so parents pay to help with small amounts
05:34
if needed
05:34
<robehend11>
ah. See, I cant do that here. :(
05:34
<markit>
just it takes a lot of time (2 weeks) to have all the money
05:34
<alkisg>
Go there with a laptop and show them
05:34
Or even with an external usb disk with ltsp on it
05:34
I call that "pocket computer lab", I've done that many times
05:34
<robehend11>
well, do you have *any* machines sitting around?
05:35
you may not be able to say, run a lab worth, but a semi-decent machine could run 3-4 terminals as a station
05:35
<markit>
I've 12 pc in the class to make work
05:35
<robehend11>
specs?
05:35
<markit>
3gb p4, 512MB ram
05:35
<alkisg>
05:35
<markit>
sis video board (sigh!)
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<robehend11>
Is your classroom PC a bit more powerful?
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05:36
<markit>
robehend11: those are the classroom pc... current "server" is the same but with 1GB ram
05:36
<robehend11>
Hmm.
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<robehend11>
Do you have a school server setup? Or is that it? Cuz if theres a box out there with some balls, i'd say throw a virtual server in for testing
05:36
not ideal, but proof of concept capable
05:36
<markit>
alkisg: in the school I've deploied ltsp, 4 core 8GB ram was in troubles with 16 Impress + lots of images
05:36
for an "artistic work" they were doing
05:37
<alkisg>
markit: that's the network, not the server
05:37
<markit>
in any case, the problem is not technical, is not money, is teacher's BRAIN
05:37
alkisg: 1GB switch
05:38
<alkisg>
You need more than gigabit for 16 clients + impress. A dual nic server with 3 Gb RAM would go better.
05:38
<markit>
alkisg: mm bounding? Never tried, hope switch supports it
05:38
<alkisg>
It doesn't need support from the switch
05:38
<markit>
I'll do some testing... any problems with dnsmasq then?
05:38
<alkisg>
There are modes that work with any switch
05:39
But there are many bottlenecks
05:39
<markit>
alkisg: really? I thought you should have 8xxxdon'tremember support, you have 2 mac address with the same ip
05:39
<alkisg>
E.g. did those clients have gigabit NICs, or 100 mbps?
05:39
<markit>
100mbs
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<markit>
but in any case, we are goint to buy new ones
05:39
<alkisg>
So, normally, you'd hit the flow control problem where all your network is 100 mbps
05:39
Even if your server + switch is gigabit
05:39
<markit>
i3540, gbit nic, 4Gb ram
05:39
so good fat clients
05:39
<alkisg>
If you didn't check to work around it, then that was your problem
05:40
<markit>
" flow control problem " ?
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05:40
<markit>
I'm happy to learn, could you give me more details of this issue?
05:40
<alkisg>
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FlowControl
05:40
For starters, read the whole UbuntuLTSP wiki pag
05:40
e
05:40
You'll find a lot of help there
05:41
Second, when the performance is low, check to find your bottleneck
05:41
Something is used 100%
05:41
Check if it is your server RAM, CPU, network, or client side cpu + network
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+ ram
05:41
<robehend11>
alkisg: THATS what was holding me back before! I had the same problem that is described there..good to know, good to know.
05:42
<alkisg>
robehend11: yup, I was surprised with what you wrote above:
05:42
(03:31:33 PM) robehend11: no need for GB
05:42
(03:31:38 PM) robehend11: 10/100 works fine
05:42
IMHO the network is the most significant part in LTSP
05:42
<robehend11>
oh, agreed.
05:42
<alkisg>
If I could have 5 gbps network, I'd prefer that + 3 Gb RAM, to 8 Gb RAM + 2 more cpu cores
05:42
<robehend11>
See, I just had Gigabit for the server, but it patched down to 10/100 for the clients, and performance wasn't that bad. But that flow control shows where my bottleneck was.
05:42
<alkisg>
E.g. an HD movie needs about 600Mbps for a single lcient
05:43
A DVD 125, a div 50 etc etc
05:43
<robehend11>
Yep. Luckily, they arent using the ltsp boxes for that, yet. But at least I know in the future.
05:44
<alkisg>
A full screen youtube video is worse thatn a DVD
05:44
<robehend11>
maybe I should look into some Fiber Nics for the servers
05:44
<markit>
alkisg: with your sch-scripts can the teacher show youtube video to 12 clients (100mbs) smootly?
05:44
<alkisg>
Many students here try to do that, and quickly learn about ltsp/local network limitations :-/
05:44
<robehend11>
I cant even get fullscreen youtube working well on a standalone ubuntu box, let alone LTSP
05:44
<alkisg>
markit: no. sch-scripts uses x11vnc, which can't even send video to 1 client smoothly
05:45
It sends about 4-5 frames per seconds to 10 clients, though
05:45
With non-fullscreen youtube video
05:45
With full screen it drops down to 1 fps
05:45
<robehend11>
I've put a hard block on youtube/vimeo/etc here, due to bandwidth. Kids hate it, but I had no choice.
05:45
<alkisg>
If you need proper video streaming, use either squid caching, or vlc multicasting
05:46
<robehend11>
ack, faculty meting
05:46
..and failing spelling skills..
05:47
<alkisg>
(x11vnc is about 5 times faster than italc though, because it doesn't use encryption)
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<markit>
alkisg: can't you disable encryption in italc? And I've seen italc2 rcx ONLY for windows, sigh
05:48
<alkisg>
markit: don't know, it crashed too often and the developer never replied to my helping attempts, so I gave up on it
05:49
<markit>
alkisg: I remember you told me, I tried it and crashed too. And I contacted a couple of italian teachers that intruduced ltsp and told me the same (crash + developer not willing to integrate patches), really SAD
05:49
I mean, I'm happy you created your own solution, but is not the way FOSS should work
05:50
<alkisg>
Agreed. Unfortunately noone seems motivated to develop + maintain such a tool
05:50
<markit>
does it have a design flaw? because you should have forked but you did not, so I wonder how you considered teh code quality
05:51
<alkisg>
It had way too much C++ for my needs
05:51
In my personal opinion, C++ is good when you design a library etc, but when you're reusing stuff like x11vnc, an interpreted language like python works much better
05:52
And since we were to rewrite it, GTK seemed a better solution than Qt
05:52
<markit>
I agree, easier to mantein, debug, avoid memory corruption, etc
05:52
alkisg: urgh, I do love QT, you know...
05:52
<alkisg>
And we don't care about windows compatibility, so we're free to do even distro-specific stuff
05:52
<markit>
is the only point I don't agrree with you, lol
05:53
<alkisg>
E.g. we use vinagre for reverse connections. The tool is there, why should we invent a new one?
05:53
<markit>
(gtk vs qt, I mean)
05:53
<alkisg>
We use gnome, so gtk makes sense
05:53
No need to load 2 libraries just for the fun of it
05:53
<markit>
alkisg: sure, I expressed myself badly
05:53
agree not in the meaning you did the wrong choice
05:54
but in the meaning that I would prefer have QT, but I use kde :)
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<markit>
maybe now that Ubuntu includes qt as well, things can change a little
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<nosedrum>
hi there
05:54
i have a strange issue
05:54
<markit>
but is not the problem, I do need a reliable solution
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<markit>
gtk or qt or whatever
05:55
<nosedrum>
a ltsp client works since 1 year in 1024x768
05:55
in lts.conf: X_MODE_0=1024x768
05:55
<markit>
alkisg: hate to be repetetive, but you are giving me a really big help, invaluable, thanks again
05:55
<nosedrum>
and this morning the client boot in 800x600
05:55
no config change... any idea ?
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<markit>
nosedrum: has ever been the autodetected resolution, or there is an entry in lts.conf with mac address and resolution?
05:58
and you changed the client lan board?
05:58
<nosedrum>
no lan card change
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<nosedrum>
same mac address
05:59
this client is definied like this in lts.conf:
05:59
[p4_a06]
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LDM_USER_ALLOW=p4,admindsi
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05:59
<alkisg>
Hmm it looks like I was typing alone :D
06:00
(03:53:41 PM) alkisg: I also prefer Qt as an API
06:00
(03:55:39 PM) alkisg: Developing for a specific desktop environment + distro + etc etc, makes the development + maintenance many many times faster. We don't have the manpower to support everything, so we keep it as focused as we can.
06:00
(03:55:56 PM) alkisg: So now we have many more features than italc will ever have
06:02
<markit>
alkisg: so there are other people helping you in the development? really good new!
06:03
once translated in english, I do hope the entire world will benefit and help
06:03
<alkisg>
Yes, we're a team of 5 people now, some help more, some less
06:03
<markit>
hope you complete your phd soon :)
06:03
<alkisg>
But even alone, I'd maintain it for my classroom
06:03
<markit>
great indeed
06:03
I do love you man! :)
06:03
<alkisg>
And if someone was willing to help proofreading the english UI + docs, I'd internationalize it too
06:04
markit: ok, you're hired as the italian translator after 2 years :D
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<markit>
lol, but you told me that except of the fact of merey translate it
06:04
<alkisg>
https://launchpad.net/~sch-devs
06:04
<markit>
is the "internationalization framework" that is not yet integrated, correct?
06:05
<alkisg>
Yup
06:05
<markit>
so first step would be translate COMMENTS in english (PLEASE!)
06:05
<alkisg>
No, the first step would be to separate the classroom management app from the ltsp management app
06:05
But sure, that too :)
06:05
<markit>
oh, is it mixed? because I need to use separated
06:06
<alkisg>
Yes, the teacher here also doubles as a sysadmin
06:06
So we have an all-in-one app
06:06
<markit>
I've my own "infrastructure" and management, more or less
06:06
<alkisg>
"create me a fat chroot" "and 600 student accounts" "and lock those clients"
06:06
<markit>
that sounds good, but probably in a different way I've done
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<alkisg>
See? You've written your own solution too :)
06:07
It's how floss works :D
06:08
<markit>
mine is a desperate self made "solution", lol
06:09
some bunch of ruby scripts
06:09
<nosedrum>
markit: the user is so lazy... his screen connector was partially connected and client detected a 800x600 screen in hsync tests....
06:09
<markit>
and a csv import feature to create students
06:09
<nosedrum>
markit: sorry for this useless intervention...
06:09
<alkisg>
markit: that was last year's sch-scripts for us too
06:09
<markit>
nosedrum: yuo are welcome, good to know I take note
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06:10
<alkisg>
Then we moved on to rewrite it as a pygtk app with glade dialogs for everything
06:10
Preview for the users that will be created, graphical .csv import etc etc
06:10
<markit>
alkisg: exactly what I wold need now, and was going to write in rails with web interface
06:10
<alkisg>
Right click > see client properties, or open a root terminal from that client and see it at the teacher screen with screen/socat etc
06:11* alkisg likes gtk controls better than web controls
06:11
<alkisg>
Lists, combo boxes, menus etc
06:11
<markit>
sure, even if jQuery has nice widgets also
06:12
can't master too many development technologies
06:12
<alkisg>
Indeed. But I don't think it has an applet to remote control someone
06:12
<markit>
lol, not but maybe with html5....
06:12
you have a canvans to write into, who knows...
06:12
in any case, I do have to test your solution
06:12
reinventing the wheel is not my goal
06:13
and even if I don't know python, is a language I do have to learn sooner or later
06:13
<alkisg>
Neither mine, that's why we use existing tools like x11vnc, screen, socat etc
06:13
<markit>
(very used in scripting into programs)
06:13
alkisg: wise decisions, indeed
06:13
FOSS power should come from this
06:13
<blueonyx>
isnt a nfs for home used by default, or how can users access their same data on different thin clients? (is it different on fat clients?)
06:13
<markit>
and GPL license :)
06:14
<alkisg>
blueonyx: thin client users ARE on the server, so there's no need for nfs
06:14
<markit>
back to work now, thanks alkisg, see you this weekend
06:14
<alkisg>
fat clients use sshfs by default
06:14
bb markit
06:14
blueonyx: and thin clients with localapps also use sshfs by default, but they can also use nfs home if instructed
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<blueonyx>
sshfs would be okay for me too (and my fat clients) but eg mkdir blub and reboot and blub is gone
06:16
<alkisg>
blueonyx: wait you have me confused
06:16
You're using fat clients?
06:16
<blueonyx>
yep
06:16
<alkisg>
I thought you were looking to mount internal hard disks for thin clients
06:16
Or that was another person?
06:16
<blueonyx>
no sorry
06:16
but i want to access the legacy data on the internal hdds _and_ have a shared home
06:17
on fat clients
06:17
<alkisg>
OK. 1 step back.
06:17
The things about DENY_INTERNAL_DISKS etc? they don't work on fat clients
06:17
<blueonyx>
ah nice to know :)
06:17
<alkisg>
Fat client sessions are local, they can access the hard disk directly
06:17
Which distro/version are you using?
06:18
<blueonyx>
edubuntu 10.04
06:18
<alkisg>
OK. Any use in the admin group can mount local disks with no password
06:18
*user
06:18
<blueonyx>
my only problem was, that only root can mount the local disks
06:18
ahhh
06:18
<alkisg>
No, not just root. Any user in the admin group.
06:18
<blueonyx>
what else can they do?
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<blueonyx>
but even better would be to have them mounted on boot
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<blueonyx>
my users connect to the already booted fat clients through ssh
06:20
i use ltsp on workstations to minimize administration
06:24
<alkisg>
(04:20:00 PM) blueonyx: my users connect to the already booted fat clients through ssh ==> what do you mean?
06:24
You can have them mounted at boot with udisks
06:24
You can give normal users access to mount internal disks with policykit
06:24
Most stuff on fat clients can be customized as usual in ubuntu, with the regular tools
06:25
<blueonyx>
i have boxes only with power and network cable in a dark room, they got plenty of ram and cpu cores, i boot them once in there life and users come and go through ssh and start their calculations on them
06:25
<alkisg>
Ah so you don't care about the GUI
06:25
<blueonyx>
s/there/their
06:25
yea
06:25
<alkisg>
And you put the user accounts in the chroot?
06:26
<blueonyx>
i guess i have to yea
06:26
<alkisg>
There are also some security concerns with sshd in the chroot
06:26
<blueonyx>
i'm glad about any links you can provide me :)
06:27
<alkisg>
One is the docs on the /topic, and one is here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/
06:27
Those are about all the links I know of
06:27
But since you're not using LDM, all the "automount home with sshfs" magic is gone
06:28
If you do switch to NFS_HOME, then that'll work, as it's mounted on boot, not on login
06:28
<blueonyx>
okay
06:28
and regarding the local disks, what do you mean by udisks and policykit?
06:29
<alkisg>
Those aren't specific to ltsp
06:29
<blueonyx>
yea, i'm googling, but maybe you want to share some more insights? d>
06:29
:>
06:30
<alkisg>
A "simple solution", if all your disks are the same, is to put an entry in the chroot /etc/fstab, and put CONFIGURE_FSTAB=false in lts.conf
06:30
<blueonyx>
yea, thats not the case :(
06:31
<alkisg>
For a more generic solution, i.e. "automount all the available internal disks on boot", I'd write an udev rule that would call udisks --mount <the path to the volume>
06:31
<blueonyx>
but i dont know about the ubuntu automounter, i simply need to tell him in the chroot to mount sdb* and sdba*
06:31
ah nice
06:31
<alkisg>
An udev rule can easily differentiate between ex2, ext3, vfat, that you do want to mount, vs swap etc, that you don't
06:31
<blueonyx>
thanks for your time!
06:32
<alkisg>
There's also some logic in ltspfsd similar to that, but instead of "just mounting it", it fires ltspfsd to export the file system to the server
06:32
Maybe you could hook there instead. Both solutions should be < 10 lines though, so no big deal...
06:34
<blueonyx>
ah i think the udisks command is what i was looking for :))
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<alkisg>
blueonyx: e.g. here's a simplified script to automount internal disks:
06:40
for f in /dev/sd[a-z][0-9]; do udisks --mount "$f"; done
06:42
<blueonyx>
thanks :)
06:42
now, next challeng: lvm volumes :>
06:42
<robehend11>
alkisg: you need someone to proofread english docs for Scripts? Becuase I have this whole class of english kids, and we're just coming to our technical writing piece next week. A large part of it is proofreading..
06:43
<alkisg>
robehend11: will need someone, but in 2 years :)
06:43
For sch-scripts/ubuntu 12.04
06:43
OK, 1 year now
06:43
<robehend11>
alkisg: haha ok. Well, the class is yearly anyways, so let me know. I always like to get the kids real-world stuff, they tend to work harder when I tell them it'll be used World-wide haha
06:43
<alkisg>
Cool, thank you
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<robehend11>
Anyone used SSD's in LTSP servers before? And if so, was the speed increase worth it?
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<blueonyx>
hm, i think i just added a RCFILE_01 and installed lvm2 package and now my user cant login, it just waits and then there is "no answer from server, restart"
07:24
<robehend11>
it wont even get to the splash?
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<blueonyx>
im at the gdm login
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<robehend11>
hmm. you didnt change IP or anything? so SSH should still be fine?
07:26
<blueonyx>
yea i can ssh
07:27
<robehend11>
hmm. no clue there, usually no answer is either ssh or bad user/pw. At least, thats what I've ran into. Anything in the auth log?
07:28
<blueonyx>
nope
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<robehend11>
could it perhaps be gremlins?
07:29
<blueonyx>
but nothing in the auth.log means the login request didnt reach the server?
07:29
<robehend11>
sounds like it, since it should log if something hits it
07:30
run ltsp-update-sshkeys for funsies?
07:32
<blueonyx>
but the gdm log in should hit the server not the fat client?
07:32
<robehend11>
yep
07:32
<blueonyx>
no change with updated sshkeys
07:32
<robehend11>
hmm. no clue, sorry bud
07:33
<blueonyx>
thanks anyhow :(
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<blueonyx>
how does /etc/ltsp/ltsp-update-image.conf correlate to ltsp-update-kernels? as in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/589034/comments/13 and 4) which did not work :>
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<blueonyx>
is there something wrong with this lts.conf line:
08:44
RCFILE_01=/etc/init.d/automount? it doesnt seem to get executed
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<Gadi>
blueonyx: does getltscfg parse it properly?
08:48
<blueonyx>
Gadi: yep
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<Gadi>
can you get a shell on the client and run it by hand?
08:49
<Fredje>
Hi,
08:49
<blueonyx>
Gadi: yep
08:50
<Fredje>
Can anybody tell me something about multimedia usage?
08:50
<Gadi>
blueonyx: can you make a wrapper script that calls: /etc/init.d/automount 2>/tmp/error.log
08:50
and call that?
08:51
<blueonyx>
Gadi: yea i'll try kthx
08:52
<Fredje>
Gadi: Do you have some experience with Multimedia on a ltsp server?
08:52
<Gadi>
Fredje: that's a bit vague
08:52
can u be more specific?
08:53
<Fredje>
Gadi: Can you watch high reso youtube video's etc via ltsp?
08:53
Gadi: Or is there a lot of delay between audio and vidio or any other problem?
08:53
<Gadi>
if that's what you are after, you can run firefox (or other browser) as a "local app" and it will work beautifully
08:54
if you run it off the server, you will most likely have difficulty as you scale
08:54
but as a local app, you have no scaling issues at all
08:55
<Fredje>
Gadi: On my school we have a computewr problem:P I sugested they might implement Ubuntu with lstp. The computers we use on the moment are pentium 4's with 512MB ram.
08:55
<Gadi>
sounds like a great solution
08:56
flash and java are the primary reason for running firefox locally
08:56
<Fredje>
Gadi: I thougt so but there is one problem we have windows running on the moment. And the ICT department does not have a lot of linuxs knowledge
08:56
<Gadi>
so, set up LTSP, then follow the ubuntu ltsp wiki to set up local apps
08:56
<Fredje>
ok
08:57
Are there some handy sites with more info so I can convince the ict department of my schooll?
08:58
<Gadi>
well, for ltsp help, ubuntu's ltsp wiki is great
08:58
for genral Linux help, well, I suppose ubuntu's site in general
08:58
<Fredje>
Ok, thanks a lot!
08:59
<Gadi>
you probably won't convince them until you set up a demo
08:59
and show them what it is like
08:59
<Fredje>
What specs should a server have for a test?
08:59
<Gadi>
how many clients?
08:59
<Fredje>
I was thinking about 4 clients or so
09:00
<Gadi>
for a demo, you could get a modern laptop and set up ltsp on that if youwanted
09:00
:)
09:00
<Fredje>
When I convince them and we implement ltsp for al the computers there are around 300 pc's what specs should a server or servers have?
09:01
<Gadi>
it largely depends on the applications they run on the server.
09:01
(or servers)
09:01
you can always add more servers as needed
09:02
and direct the clients appropriately
09:02
check out the wiki
09:02
it has different people's experiences with server sizing
09:02
<Fredje>
I ve seen, but I see a lot of diffrent advices
09:02
<Gadi>
yeah
09:02
because it is different for everyone
09:03
usually, firefox/java/flash are the biggest resource hogs
09:03
if you run them locally, tho,
09:03
you don't have to factor them in on the server budget
09:03
<Fredje>
ok
09:03
<Gadi>
so, then the major hog is the desktop or any other stuff that is running
09:04
thats why it is a bit of black magic
09:04
for most stuff, it is a question of RAM
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09:04
<Gadi>
so, make sure you have a server that you can throw more ram in
09:05
<blueonyx>
Gadi: there is no error outputted
09:05
but the /tmp/automount.err gets created :/
09:05
<Fredje>
I thought about edubuntu as distro and wine for some apps and almost every student only uses firefox and openoffice
09:06
Gadi: I will defenetly create a test environment and look at how it is running and keep you posted
09:06
<Gadi>
blueonyx: perhaps it starts too early
09:07
<Fredje>
Gadi: Thanks for the info!
09:07
<Gadi>
Fredje: good luck! we're here as needed!
09:07
:)
09:07
<Fredje>
Gadi: I noticed, bye
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<Gadi>
blueonyx: RCFILES get ran early on in the boot process
09:08
you may need portmapper or something else running for automount to work?
09:08
<blueonyx>
now the script is just: for f in /dev/sd[a-z][0-9]; do udisks --mount "$f"; done
09:08
udisks i guess
09:08
or its daemon
09:09
Gadi: any other suggestion how to automount local disks on a fat client?
09:09
<Gadi>
I believe udisks talks to a system bus
09:09
so, perhaps the system bus is not running yet
09:09
I would not make it an RCFILES script
09:10
but maybe a screen-session script
09:10
or perhaps an xinitrc.d script
09:11
<blueonyx>
thanks, i'll look into them
09:11
<Gadi>
my guess is that it talks to dbus
09:11
(thats a guess)
09:11
so, dbus should at least be running
09:11
which should be the case certainly at xinitrc.d time
09:17
<blueonyx>
couldn't be ltsp-update-image be incremental :( i just make a <1KB change and have to regenerate >1GB image
09:23
thanks Gadi! it works now as xinitrc.d script :))
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11:47* alkisg doesn't really like the way ltsp-build-client modifies the chroot... Example: rm -f $ROOT/etc/init/plymouth-stop.conf. So if the plymouth package is upgraded, that file will be put there again. Couldn't we move those modifications to some other step? Maybe in the initramfs or in ltsp-update-image?
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<vagrantc>
silly ubuntu
11:47
but debian does it's fair share of bad things in ltsp-build-client too
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<alkisg>
Hehe. /me looks at the debian folder for another example...
11:48
In the ideal case, I'd like it if the chroot was directly bootable in a standalone computer
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vbox, nfs/rw netbooted, or even local disk
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echo > $ROOT/etc/hostname
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E.g. that could be done in an initramfs script
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Or mtab, etc
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mv "$ROOT/etc/pulse/system.pa" "$ROOT/etc/pulse/system.pa.ltsp" || true
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That would also get there on pulse updates, no?
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<vagrantc>
files in /etc/ shouldn't get recreated
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<alkisg>
Ah that's a conffile?
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(also I thought that conffile preservation didn't include missing files - good to know)
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<vagrantc>
alkisg: i'm not *positive*
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<robehend11>
remind me to never step foot into #ubuntu on a launch day again...*shudder*
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12:53
<Phrix>
Hello all, I am try to configure LTSP with OpenSuse 11.4 but I received this message when inicialization terminal: Doing the pivot_root
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exec: /sbin/init: Permission
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Kernel Panit: Attempted to kill init!"
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Someone have any idea what I can do for fix this ?
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<vagrantc>
try #kiwi-ltsp
12:55
opensuse is kind of it's own ltsp-like thing
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<Phrix>
sorry vagrant I dont understand, because all are ready only need fix this
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sorry my bad english I am Braziliam
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<vagrantc>
opensuse does ltsp very differently than other distros, so it's hard to help
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you could try the irc channel #kiwi-ltsp instead
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that's for ltsp on opensuse
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<Phrix>
ok, i understand now !
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thanks
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<ball>
hello dgroos
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<dgroos>
Howdy ball
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<ball>
brb, coffee
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<dgroos>
Good evening and a happy new Edubuntu to you!
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<ball>
I just installed preschool games for fork... not sure whether they're considered part of Edubuntu
19:45
<dgroos>
Not sure--'...games for fork'? What are they?
19:48
OK just stopping to say cool new edubuntu. Coffee for you, bed for me :)
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'night!
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21:32* ball staggers around a bit.
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