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Channel log from 22 July 2008   (all times are UTC)

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<TNKLTSP>
I have complited the whole research on my USB storage problem
02:25
when the ltspfs (or fuse anyway) tryes to create a mountpoint
02:25
it gives the full access for the owner and some access for the owner group
02:26
but it cant resolve the owner group if it is default AD's "Domain Users" GUID 36669XXXXX
02:26
and that is why it return with error and doesnt create the mount point for AD users neither mount the devices
02:27
This propably isnt a bug, but it might be useful information, because it will affect allmost any AD + LTSP envinroment
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(unless U have services for Unix or something similiar installed)
02:30
work'arounds:
02:31
change the primary group of users to something what FUSE can figure out
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(maybe take the space out of "domain users" or use services for Unix to give them Unix GID or something) depends on the pam module that is used in common-account to get the account info out of AD
02:32
for example WinBind takes the Windows info, while LDAP takes the POSIX info it is configured to do that
02:33
another good work'around is to make somekind of login script to make the mountpoint for fuse, dunno if it could work but I will test it
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<cyberorg>
TNKLTSP, have a look at https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file?file=lbmount-perm.patch&package=LTSPFS&project=server%3Altsp
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<TNKLTSP>
I cant access the page
02:55
it prompts me to welcome page every time
02:55
ohh
02:55
<cyberorg>
TNKLTSP, need opensuse login account
02:55
<TNKLTSP>
now i got trought
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<TNKLTSP>
seems pretty interesting, unfortunately my coding skills are very poor. But one of my colleague will take a look at it
03:02
btw, is this patch the original or is it somehow modified allrdy?
03:10
cyberorg
03:10
do i get it right, that this is patch for my problem?
03:11
<cyberorg>
TNKLTSP, no, this patch shows where the permissions for the mounts are set, solution to your problem is somewhere there
03:11
<TNKLTSP>
ok, I just cant see any gid there
03:12
couple of uids thought, might have something to do with that too
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<TNKLTSP>
do U know where the ltspfs prints it's logs?
03:14
 "Error: can't change ownership to %s: invalid uid\n",  
03:14
this could be found somewhere
03:14
are they in the server or in the chroot?
03:16
<cyberorg>
it should be in the server
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<nathy>
hello
03:57
I added a script to /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ltsp/screen.d and added the line SCREEN_02 = nxclient.xinitrc
03:58
no I get the message SCREEN_SCRIPT not found
03:58
could you help me please
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<nathy>
hi
06:25
I added a script with the name nxclient.xinintrc to /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ltsp/screen.d and added the line SCREEN_02 = nxclient.xinitrc to lts.conf
06:26
but now I get the message SCREEN_SCRIPT not found on screen 2
06:26
what did I do wrong? could you help me please.
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<TNKLTSP>
I dont know much about that subject but in general, is the script executable?
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<The_Code>
hi cyberorg
07:30
<cyberorg>
The_Code, hi
07:30
<The_Code>
i have a little question handling lts.conf parsing
07:30
<cyberorg>
shoot
07:30
<The_Code>
should we use the file specified in easy-ltsp.conf for parsing and deploying
07:31
or let user choose which one to parse and where to deploy
07:31
i am not sure what would be best
07:32
<cyberorg>
default should be specified in easy-ltsp.conf, with option for user to open and save from/to other place
07:32
<The_Code>
so seperate menu entry for user choosen, good
07:33
one other thing is how do we provide the lib i use for parsing (nini.sourceforge.net)
07:37
<cyberorg>
we add that as a dep when packaging
07:38
<The_Code>
it is not availlable as package in openSUSE
07:39
<cyberorg>
The_Code, we'll add it to server:ltsp project
07:39
<The_Code>
good
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<cyberorg>
The_Code, i dont see any source tarball download for nini
07:49
<The_Code>
cyberorg: download the latest release, source and binarie are in there
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<nathy>
I don't have the file ltsp_functions. Why that. How can I create the file?
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<cyberorg>
The_Code, which nini.dll do you need?
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<The_Code>
the one for mono
07:56
Nini/Bin/Mono/1.1/Release
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<vir_db>
Hi all
07:57
i've a really stupid question, but i can't find the answare...
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<cyberorg>
ok, where is this supposed to get installed ?
07:57
<vir_db>
how "big" can be an i386.img image file to work?
07:57
<cyberorg>
/usr/lib/Nini/{all the folders} ?
07:57
<vir_db>
there are some limits?
07:58
I think that a smaller image is more fast to boot...
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<The_Code>
cyberorg: one minute
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<cyberorg>
The_Code, it looks like other project just include Nini.dll in their own package, like http://rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/opensuse/10.3/x86_64/tangerine-0.3.0-145.x86_64.html
08:02
<The_Code>
cyberorg: we should have it in our lib directory
08:03
<cyberorg>
ok, so for now we add it to Easy-LTSP package, but that doesn't seem proper
08:03
<The_Code>
yeah, for now i have to find out where mono looks for the libs which are not in a package
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<cyberorg>
The_Code, how is work going? havent seen any commits lately
08:14
<The_Code>
cyberorg: it is working, i had to figure my way to parsing lts.conf, i now have it and integrate it in the menu, adding of tc's also coming, today
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<cyberorg>
great, i would like to try it before we meet again tomorrow for the meeting
08:16
<The_Code>
give me 15 minutes and you can checkout a version with parsing and deploying
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<The_Code>
cyberorg: new state in repo
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<cyberorg>
The_Code, cool, Makefile?
08:37
<The_Code>
i have one, but i am still working on it
08:38
<cyberorg>
ok
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<nathy>
I don't have the file ltsp_functions. Why that? How can I create the file or where can I download it?
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<cyberorg>
The_Code, i got this when building "[Task:File=, Line=0, Column=0, Type=Error, Priority=Normal, Description=File '/home/Desktop/Nini-1.1.0/Nini/Bin/Mono/1.1/Release/Nini.dll' not found]"
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<The_Code>
cyberorg: ok, this shouldn't be, remove the reference to Nini.dll in the project, and add a reference to your copy of Nini.dll
08:46
<cyberorg>
the path should have been /home/cyberorg/Desktop
08:47
<The_Code>
that's the path where i have downloaded it to
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<cyberorg>
The_Code, where is the reference set?
08:49
<The_Code>
in Easy-LTSP.Thin-Clinet-Configuration.Common there is a field References
08:51
<cyberorg>
tons of Gtk.Tooltips is obsolete
08:52
<The_Code>
42 but i haven't yet found out how to set them in a different way
08:55
<cyberorg>
be back in couple of hours
08:55
<The_Code>
cu
08:55
<jorgezero>
hi everyone... i have a question... can i create an diferent ltsp image from the server?
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<epoxy|w3rk>
jorgezero, as in... run debian etch as the server and lenny as the ltsp client os ?
09:19
brb
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<nathy>
hi.
09:24
I added a script with the name nxclient.xinintrc to /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ltsp/screen.d and added the line SCREEN_02 = nxclient.xinitrc to lts.conf
09:24
but now I get the message SCREEN_SCRIPT not found on screen 2
09:24
what did I do wrong? could you help me please.
09:27
<Blinny>
nathy: Did you rebuild the image?
09:28
<jorgezero>
epoxy|w3rk: yes... something like a distro on server and other on clients...
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<Blinny>
nathy: Rebuild the image means ltsp-update-image --arch i386
09:32
<nathy>
ok I will try that.
09:32
<Blinny>
nathy: LTSP5 uses a compressed image. Any time you change something in the tree (/opt/ltsp/i386) you need to update the compressed image
09:33
<nathy>
ok thanks
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<Blinny>
'welcome
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<epoxy|w3rk>
Blinny, even with debian? i dont seem to follow the images steps due to debian using NFS, correcT?
09:37
(versus nbd
09:39
<Blinny>
Oop, yeah. This is only for those distros using NBD/squashfs
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<epoxy|w3rk>
hm, i would definately like to try it out :) hopefully i'll have some free time in the future
09:44
any reason why debian has it and ubuntu does?
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<gnunux>
hi
09:44
<epoxy|w3rk>
hi
09:45
<Blinny>
epoxy|w3rk: You'll have to ask the Debian/Ubuntu guys those questions.
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<gnunux>
i'm searching a way to submit a patch for ldm, do you where I can propose it ?
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<lejo>
gnunux: via the mailinglist or via launchpad
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<gnunux>
on launchpad I can't do that "LTSP Manager does not use Launchpad as its bug tracker."
09:48
i'll tried to find the maillinglist ;)
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<epoxy|w3rk>
Blinny, really? i get the .deb from http://pkg-ltsp.alioth.debian.org/debian etch-ltsp-backports ... i thought they would keep that tree near the same as ubunutu. i guess it has too many Debian people involved :)
09:50
<nathy>
Blinny: did you ever tried to include nx to ltsp5?
09:51
I need it, because LTSP is very slow.
09:55
<lejo>
gnunux well you can do it if you maintain your branch in launchpad
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<gnunux>
i'm writting a mail on ltsp-discuss list. It's easier for me
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<Blinny>
epoxy|w3rk: Sure looks new: "Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 16:17:56"
09:58
nathy: I'm not sure what you're asking..
09:58
<epoxy|w3rk>
hmm/
09:59
<Blinny>
epoxy|w3rk: Perhaps only the defaults are different.
10:00
<nathy>
Blinny. I'm using LTSP. But unfortunately it is very slow. Somebody told me, that I should use nx. that ist much faster
10:00
now I found a lot of scripts for ltsp4.2 with nx. but not ltsp5
10:00
<Blinny>
nathy: LTSP doesn't have much to do with NX.
10:02
<nathy>
Blinny: http://www.telemedia.ch/publ/ltsp-howto.html
10:02
and then the point: Integrating FreeNX with your LTSP
10:04
<ogra>
gnunux, https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ldm-trunk
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<warren>
very slow over what kind of network?
10:04
<ogra>
gnunux, and https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk
10:05
<nathy>
warren: 3500Kbit/s down stream 500Kbit/s up stream
10:05
<ogra>
gnunux, also if you want to reach the developers you should rather use ltsp-devel instead of -discuss ;)
10:05
<gnunux>
argh
10:06
<Blinny>
nathy: Do you see the section in that link that says you need "A 100MBit local network (switched if more than 2 users)"
10:06
<ogra>
gnunux, if you create a branch in launchpad it has this nifty feature where you can click on "proposed this branch for merging" that will notify the people maintainng the trunk branch if you propose yours
10:07
<nathy>
Blinny: yes I saw. But is there no possibility to use it with a slower connection?
10:07
what's about the point: Integrating FreeNX with your LTSP
10:07
<Blinny>
nathy: Not really, no.
10:07
<ogra>
nathy, ltsp is built for netbooting ... thats not really doable over internet
10:08
<Blinny>
nathy: That doesn't have anything to do with LTSP.
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<ogra>
(beyond the fact that the connection speed will suck indeed)
10:08
<Blinny>
nathy: The link in that section goes to a generic 'freenx for your debian server' page.
10:09
<nathy>
Blinny: but there is written: Adding NX client as screen script to LTSP
10:09
<ogra>
nathy, by whom ? :)
10:10
you can indeed use NX on your LAN ...
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<Blinny>
nathy: Those directions are for connecting an _already_booted_ thin client to another, possibly remote NX server.
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<ogra>
but getting that going over internet connections wil require a lot of fiddling ... and you should have the bootserver on the local network
10:11
<nathy>
yes I have got a NX server
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<Blinny>
My head hurts.
10:11
<nathy>
sorry...
10:12
I connect to the ltsp server over a vpn. then the image is booting
10:12
but on the same server is also a nx server
10:12
<ogra>
epoxy|w3rk, debian and ubuntu have the same amount of devs on each side (one for each distro :) )
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<Blinny>
nathy: LTSP is designed to have a local boot/application server. Not over a VPN.
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<epoxy|w3rk>
hehe, i wasn't hating on the ltsp devs.. i was poking fun at the powers-that-be of the debian repo
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<ogra>
and yes, the trees are similar and should have a nearly identical version, but they also differ in distro specific setups and implementation ... if ubuntu was unmodified debian theer wouldnt be any point in calling it differently :P
10:14
<Blinny>
nathy: You understand that LTSP changes almost ALL the computer-to-local-hard-drive traffic and changes it to computer-to-networked-server traffic, yes?
10:14
<nathy>
yes I understand this.
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<Blinny>
nathy: So, over a network it indeed will be very slow.
10:15
<nathy>
but I need a solution, to connect to a terminalserver over a vpn with my speed
10:16
and I thought, I can boot with ltsp and then start the nxclient.
10:16
<Blinny>
nathy: You may do better booting from another media. Perhaps a CD if you can't use a local hard drive and OS.
10:16
nathy: You're basically asking for an NX setup, not an LTSP setup.
10:17
nathy: Boot using the hard drive, USB stick, or CD. Then, configure that client to connect, via NX, to your terminal server. I would suggest you take LTSP out of the mix altogether.
10:17
<gnunux>
ogra: i can't find a way to "proposed this branch for merging", anyway, i've send a mail to devel list tomorrow. someone more inteligent could merging if this patch is accepted
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<Blinny>
nathy: Alternatively, configure a local boot/application server that isn't access over a VPN.
10:17
<nathy>
I don't have a cd-rom in my thin client
10:18
doesn't work. but why not boot with ltsp and then start nx?
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<Blinny>
nathy: because you don't have a local LTSP server and you said earlier it was too slow to boot LTSP.
10:19
<nathy>
no not booting is slow. working on it is slow
10:19
only the gui is too slow
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<_l0l0_>
hi
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<Blinny>
nathy: I've never done what you're proposing. Do you have to run the NX client from the already-booted LTSP GUI?
10:24
<nathy>
I will do the same think like in the link
10:25
or I just need a solution, that de gui is faster.
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<Blinny>
Perhaps you're trying to do something like this: http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/freenx-knx/2007-October/005931.html
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<nathy>
yeah maybe this can help. thanks
10:29
<Blinny>
nathy: Like I said I haven't done what you're trying to do, but I'd love to know how it works out. Give a yell if you get stuck.
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<nathy>
I will do yes
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<cyberorg>
The_Code, you are missing one autologin variable
11:16
<The_Code>
which one
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<cyberorg>
The_Code, also add LDM_DIRECTX=true for bypassing ssh for X traffic
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The_Code, LDM_AUTOLOGIN
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<The_Code>
cyberorg, for autologin
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LDM_AUTOLOGIN is not shown in the dialog but added with true
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<cyberorg>
The_Code, i dont see it in lts.conf tab
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<The_Code>
cyberorg, sorry i can see it
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<The_Code>
cyberorg, sorry you can't see it
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should look better when making a commit
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<cyberorg>
The_Code, this is what i see http://pastebin.com/db1d2760
11:20
this should default to SOUND_DAEMON = pulse
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<ogra>
this shouldnt be adjustable, really
11:24
<cyberorg>
ogra, sound?
11:24
<ogra>
if people really want he crappy esd or even worse nas they should do that manually
11:24
no, the daemon
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<cyberorg>
yeah, just enable/disable should be good enough
11:24
<ogra>
adding something different than pulse will involve fiddling anyway
11:24
right
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<The_Code>
cyberorg, comitted the missing autologin stuff
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<cyberorg>
The_Code, ok, dont forget LDM_DIRECTX
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<The_Code>
as a checkbox for the section or in a task?
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<ogra>
make sure the user understands that this option drops nearly all security
11:26
<cyberorg>
The_Code, i dont like all these checkbox visible, they should show up only when the task is added :)
11:26
<ogra>
so call it something like "Enable insecure connection (faster)"
11:26
<The_Code>
k will do so
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<cyberorg>
ogra, unfortunately it is only way to get acceptable video/flash playback
11:27
<The_Code>
and leave out the sound daemon?
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<cyberorg>
The_Code, yes
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<The_Code>
fine will change that
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<cyberorg>
The_Code, easy-ltsp fails if the files it is trying to access is read-only, it should open it and allow user to save it somewhere else
11:31
<ogra>
cyberorg, i know, but still, inform the user that he drops all security, thats very important
11:31
<cyberorg>
ogra, of course :)
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<The_Code>
cyberorg, will change the openmode
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<The_Code>
ogra, i will provide the user with a nice warning dialog
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<ogra>
ugh
11:33
why do you need to throw a dialog in his face if you can just name the option right ?
11:33
<cyberorg>
The_Code, on dialog please :)
11:34
<The_Code>
i will name the option right but ask the user if he is really sure
11:34
<ogra>
well, if he clicks on that option he very likely is sure
11:34
<The_Code>
i am not sure my mom would be
11:35* ogra is a passionate hater of "do you really want to do what you just did?" dialogs ... yes, damned i want, thats why i clicked it
11:35
<ogra>
thats so windows-ish ...
11:35
and one of the most annoing practices coming from there
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<The_Code>
ogra, you are right, but are you sure that everybody clicking on the option is sure
11:36
<ogra>
i would assume so, yes
11:36
<The_Code>
ok, no dialog then
11:37
<ogra>
if she clicks it by accident its just one click more to disable it again
11:37
<The_Code>
right
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<stgraber>
the only use for "Are you sure ?" is when the user can actually damage something (Like: "Are you sure you want to wipe your partition table ?")
11:39
<cyberorg>
or launch a nuclear missile
11:39
<The_Code>
ok you have one
11:39
won
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<Blinny>
cyberorg: You're assuming the person pressing the "launch missile" button can read.
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<ogra>
you just need a proper icon for it :)
12:43
<cyberorg>
ogra, i've always seen a big red button just protected by flimsy glass cover with no warning
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<ogra>
cyberorg, thats from times before there were usability experts, nowadays such a button would have "destroy world" written on it and a nice exploding world as icon :)
12:46
<cyberorg>
yey, HIG
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<hallmant>
Hi all. Quick question... how can I change the verbosity of the X server log on the thin clients? Our thin clients occasionally (randomly) get rejected by their X servers, and we're not sure why.
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<Gadi>
hallmant: are you using ldm?
13:46
<hallmant>
gadi: yes
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<Gadi>
hallmant: well, you usually have 2 places to look for answers:
13:47
1. on the client console, log in and check /var/log/ldm.log
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2. on the server, check the user's ~/.xsession-errors file
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(this is if it happens to some users and not others)
13:49
<hallmant>
Gadi: it does seem to happen to some and not others, but then again, it may not manifest itself in a way they'd see
13:49
(that is, it just appears that new programs won't open in x)
13:49
<Gadi>
so, it is not the entire session?
13:49
<hallmant>
So if you don't try to open a program, it doesn't happen
13:49
<Gadi>
just certain programs within a session?
13:50
<hallmant>
It's basically anything that tries to draw a window :)
13:50
<Gadi>
ah - you mean, you open certain programs and it kills your whole session
13:50
<hallmant>
Well... I'm not sure
13:50
it *seems* that it's not the program that kills it
13:50
But that something kills the session, and then programs fail to open
13:50
<Gadi>
hmm
13:50
<hallmant>
The real kicker is that after an arbitrary amount of time, it comes back!
13:51
<Gadi>
do you use LDM_DIRECTX?
13:51
<hallmant>
We've tried both
13:51
Same problem
13:51
That's why we wanted to try to increase the X verbosity... so that the server would say more about why it's rejecting the client.
13:51
(cause the server IS seeing the client's attempts, but suddenly doesn't like it.)
13:52
What we see on the user's end are a bunch of "Cannot open display" errors
13:52
I wrote about it in what looks to be a similar thread here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=446720&page=2
13:52
(I'm elwell642)
13:52
<Gadi>
but, its not that a program cannot launch - its that it logs the user out, right?
13:53
<hallmant>
No... it doesn't actually quit their x session
13:55
Yeah, all we see are weird errors about not being able to open the display
13:55
And the X server says, nuh-uh.
13:55
<Gadi>
does it happen to all users - or repeatedly to some?
13:57
<hallmant>
repeatedly to some (we *think*) But like I said, perhaps they all have it but just don't see it
13:57
We can't find any patterns in who has it and who "doesn't"
13:57
<Gadi>
do you have processes that linger after a user logs out?
13:57
<hallmant>
Actually... I have seen some
13:57
I haven't looked recently though
13:57
<Gadi>
and do you have users that log in from different machines?
13:58
<hallmant>
Rarely.
13:58
Okay, so a user just logged out.
13:58
<Gadi>
ok - I have seen in the past wierdnesses caused by lingering processes, or files in /tmp
13:58
<hallmant>
I still see a number of processes running on the server
13:58
<Gadi>
especially when the user logs into a second machine
13:59
can you do me a favor?
13:59
try my script and see if it cures (or masks) the problem.
13:59
Ill pastebot it
13:59
!pastebot
13:59
<ltspbot>
Gadi: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
14:00
<hallmant>
sure
14:00
Well, it looks like all those processes are now gone (once the user logged out of his other ssh sessions :))
14:00
Some users in our setup *do* use other machines, but that happens very rarely, and doesn't appear to be the case here.
14:01
<ltsppbot>
"Gadi" pasted "save to: /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ldm/rc.d/S15userLoginCheck , then reroll image, and add LDM_LIMIT_ONE_SESSION=True to lts.conf" (80 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/36
14:02
<Gadi>
hallmant: aside from that, is the display that it prints in your error message the correct one?
14:02
sounds as if something is messing either with the environment or the Xauth token
14:03
or something is being run under a uid that is not the user's
14:03
<hallmant>
Good question. Not sure. How do I tell?
14:03
right
14:03
<Gadi>
do you use local user accounts or LDAP or some other network auth?
14:03
<hallmant>
LDAP
14:03
<Gadi>
could be intermittent problems talking to LDAP
14:04
are your LDAP uids unique from your local ones?
14:04
<hallmant>
What do you mean by local ones?
14:05
<Gadi>
the ones on the server
14:05
in /etc/passwd
14:05
<hallmant>
We only have one that we created there
14:05
(during installation)
14:05
<Gadi>
good
14:05
<hallmant>
Other than that, we use entirely LDAP
14:05
<Gadi>
and you don't have ssytem users in LDAP, do you?
14:06
ie, users with uid <1000
14:06
(or <500)
14:06
<hallmant>
I don't think so; I'll go check.
14:09
Ummmmm... how can I do that? :)
14:12
<Gadi>
heh
14:12
if you type: getent passwd
14:12
you get the entire list of users
14:12
<hallmant>
won't that show local and LDAP?
14:12
<Gadi>
yes
14:12
if you do: getent passwd|more
14:13
you can go down to the end of the local accounts
14:13
then, the LDAP accounts start
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<hallmant>
Ahhh
14:14
However, they're not sorted by uid...
14:14
<Gadi>
ah
14:14
<hallmant>
(btw... what's the flag to update the i386 machines? I thought it was ltsp-update-image arch=i386, but that's doing the amd64)
14:15
<Gadi>
--arch=i386
14:15
(you need two dashes)
14:15
<hallmant>
ahhh
14:15
thx
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<Blinny>
Yikes!
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14:19
<ogra>
vagrantc, got another no from the other hostel ...
14:19
<joelkillspeople>
hello. A buddy of mine pointed me to #ltsp due to some problems I'm having with openSUSE's kiwi LTSP release.
14:19
<hallmant>
Gadi: I just loaded up a thin client with your script
14:20* ogra points joelkillspeople to cyberorg
14:20
<hallmant>
And we found that there *is* an entry in LDAP with uid 0 (?)... but otherwise we're fine
14:20
<japerry>
joelkillspeople: you can also look at #opensuse-kiwi
14:20
<joelkillspeople>
thanks, ogra
14:20
<japerry>
joelkillspeople: cyberorg is usually asleep by noon PST though. hes in india
14:20
<ogra>
and what japerry said i suppose :)
14:20
<joelkillspeople>
ok, I'll jump into the opensuse board
14:20
thanks
14:21
<ogra>
if its a generic ltsp propb thats not kiwi realted we might be able to help as well though
14:21
<Gadi>
hallmant: that *should* be ok (note: uid 0 == root, so your LDAP root user is overriding the local root user)
14:22
hallmant: not necessarily a problem wrt the issues you are seeing
14:22
<hallmant>
I suppose the problem with testing your script is that we're not entirely sure what *causes* the issue
14:22
<Gadi>
hallmant: right
14:23
<hallmant>
Oh... which reminds me of why I stopped by in the first place :) How can we increase the X server log verbosity?
14:23
<Gadi>
hehe
14:23
its not an Xserver problem
14:23
<hallmant>
And actually, the guy who told me that he was seeing that problem isn't here atm. Which file should I be looking at? ;)
14:23
but the server is rejecting the client connections, isn't it?
14:23
<Gadi>
so, increasing verbosity prolly won't help
14:23
maybe
14:24
or maybe the DISPLAY error is a red herring
14:24
first check that the DISPLAY is correct
14:24
<hallmant>
ah yes. How can I do that?
14:24
<Gadi>
well, if you type "who"
14:25
you should see where the user is logged in from
14:25
<joelkillspeople>
ogra: this seems to be specifically kiwi. I am running ltsp on a bunch of VMware consoles to ensure that it works with a bunch of linux iterations
14:25
and so far, this has been the most difficult
14:25
<hallmant>
ah ok
14:25
very cool
14:27
Gadi: I ran 'who' on the server, and I see two entries for me: one at localhost:13.0, and the other at ltsp-ws-003, which is the DNS name for my terminal. I presume that at least one of those is the terminal window I'm using in the first place.
14:27
<Gadi>
yeah
14:28
but, localhost:13.0 is your DISPLAY
14:28
(or should be)
14:28
<hallmant>
ok
14:28
<Gadi>
if you get an error about not connecting, it should be to there
14:28
<hallmant>
And that's if I'm using LDM_DIRECTX, right?
14:28
<Gadi>
no
14:28
<hallmant>
(or NOT using it, that is...?)
14:28
<Gadi>
thats if you are not
14:28
right
14:28
<hallmant>
ok
14:29
<epoxy|w3rk>
hm, where can i get more info on LTSP and booting via nbd? i'm booting via NFS (have squashfs in exports though?) on my debian installs and would like to look into it more... but i can't seem to get the right buzz words into google! or maybe i am thinking wrong :)
14:29
<Gadi>
(anything localhost:X indicates you are using the ssh X proxy)
14:29
<hallmant>
gotcha. That makes sense.
14:29
<japerry>
epoxy|w3rk: nots ure about deb, but kiwi-ltsp uses nbd
14:29
and it works =D
14:29
kiwi-ltsp is opensuse
14:30
<hallmant>
Gadi: So currently, I'm the only one using that. The other users are using LDM_DIRECTX, and yet we're both seeing the problem
14:30
<epoxy|w3rk>
ah, i think i read that last week.
14:30
<ogra>
epoxy|w3rk, you need the nbd, squashfs and unionfs modules in your initramfs ... and tell your initramfs to use nbd by setting BOOT=nbd
14:30
(in the config)
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<ogra>
we added code for aufs as well, but i cant tell if that works, never tested that
14:32
(i'll surely do from tomorrow evening on, since ubuntu doesnt ship unionfs by default anymore though)
14:32
<Gadi>
hallmant: thats why Im not convinced it is a problem with the X server
14:32
hallmant: do you have tracker running?
14:33
<hallmant>
Ummm... maybe? :)
14:33
<ogra>
epoxy|w3rk, on the server side you need to have nbdrootd in your inetd.conf
14:33
<hallmant>
yup
14:33
I do
14:33
<ogra>
exports has nothing to do with it
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<Gadi>
hallmant: I find tracker is evil on a terminal server
14:33
<hallmant>
Gadi: What is it?
14:33
<Gadi>
I would uninstall it, personally
14:33
and kill all trackerd processes
14:33
it is for the deskbar applet
14:33
to quickly search your filesystem
14:34
<ogra>
urgh, dont use tracker on ltsp :)
14:34
that can easily make your server die
14:34
<Gadi>
it runs out of anacron, and therefore can go off even during the day
14:34
at random times
14:34
:)
14:34
it can easily cause other improtant processes to timeout
14:34
and therefore have some apps that don't launch properly
14:35
<epoxy|w3rk>
alrighty.. i'll have to lookinto that when i have some time. thanks much!
14:35
<Gadi>
in other words, apt-get remove --purge trackerd
14:35
:)
14:35
<cliebow>
sudo apt-get remove cliebow
14:35
<hallmant>
Gadi: hehe well, I'll go ahead and do that
14:35
<Gadi>
also, pkill -9 tracker
14:35
:)
14:35
<hallmant>
Who am I to argue with the LTSP gurus? :)
14:36* Gadi hates the advent of tracker
14:36
<epoxy|w3rk>
** devs :-)
14:36
<Gadi>
evil tracker
14:36
<ogra>
epoxy|w3rk, if you have a spare machine or space for a virtualbox setup, i'D suggest taking ubuntu and have a look at the differentces ...
14:36
debian and ubuntu share most of the code
14:36
but ubuntu defaults to nbd and debian to nfs
14:38
Gadi, it doesnt search your filesystem ...
14:38
it searches ~/ only
14:38
<epoxy|w3rk>
ogra, is debian being it's usual slow to update, or was there a specific reason?
14:38
<Gadi>
ogra: yeah right - it feels like it searches my underwear drawer
14:38
and not efficiently at that!
14:38
<ogra>
(and constatnly monitors every change via inotify, which is teh massively evil part with multiuser systems)
14:39
<Gadi>
its like something someone copied from Vista
14:39
its evil
14:39
<ogra>
epoxy|w3rk, actually lenny will be ahead of ubuntu this time (until 8.10 releases where ubuntu will take over again)
14:39
<Gadi>
lets write something that consumes a ridiculous amount of resources and blocks essential prcoesses
14:40
<epoxy|w3rk>
ah,, the mystical lenny stable ;)
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<Gadi>
heh - lenny stable - didnt anybody watch the movie?
14:40
<ogra>
yeah, vagrantc surpassed me :)
14:40
<Gadi>
thats a total oxymoron
14:41
<hallmant>
hahaha... so Gadi, how do you really feel about tracker? ;)
14:42
<ogra>
didnt you get that he loves it ? :)
14:42
<joelkillspeople>
ok, after visiting #opensuse-kiwi, I was pointed towards this site: http://www.fcdnet.org/japerry/2008/05/ltsp-kiwi-opensuse-11-novell-edirectory.html . Unfortunately, none of that is directly pertaining to the problem I am currently having. The installation seems a lot more straightforward than all that.
14:42
<hallmant>
btw Gadi, what is it that your script does?
14:43
<joelkillspeople>
it's serving up IPs ok, it's just tftpd that's giving me an issue :/
14:43
<Gadi>
dude - if you can't find things in your closet, don't hire an annoying guy to rummage thru it 24/7
14:43
<hallmant>
oh nm... I just rtfm :)
14:43
<Gadi>
hallmant: heh - the chief objective is to limit the user to one session
14:43
it also kills stale processes
14:44
gotta go get the kids
14:44
good luck, hallmant
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<hallmant>
k. I'm gonna run too. Thx for your help, Gadi & fellow tracker-slayers
14:46
We'll see if this helps :)
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<vagrantc>
jammcq: i have no idea why, but for some reason i think friday night would be best for the brazillian feast
15:40
<ogra>
sounds like
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<warren>
jammcq: how many more people on friday than sunday?
17:10
ogra: what is your plan to get to the airport tomorrow?
17:10
<ogra>
i thought about leaving the office around 2pm
17:11
to have enough time to check in my bag etc
17:11
so i suspect i'll be there before you
17:11
and technically spoken i thought about a taxi
17:13
<warren>
how much does a taxi cost from waltham to airport?
17:13
<ogra>
no idea
17:13
i'l pay what it costs
17:13
oh, i'm not coming from waltham
17:13
<warren>
ogra: you might save money if you go to alewife station instead, and you can take the subway (with one transfer) to the airport. I"m going that way myself.
17:13
<ogra>
thats where my hotel is ... the office is in lexington
17:13
<warren>
oh
17:14
<ogra>
i'll take my stuff to the office in the morning and go to the airport from here
17:14
i'd guess 30-40 bucks
17:14
<warren>
I guess RH forces me to crash on people's couches and take the bus whenever possible. =)
17:15
<ogra>
heh, you need bigger customers :P
17:15
or less employees :)
17:16
canonical is still small enough for such fun stuff ... i dont wnat to see us at a 2000 employee level though
17:18
<warren>
I think that's something we can both agree on. =)
17:18
<ogra>
:P
17:19
earning as much as RH does with only 10% of the employment costs is a good thing, right :)
17:20
<warren>
ogra: how much was taxi from airport to waltham?
17:20
<ogra>
i think that was $40
17:21
or around that (a bit less iirc)
17:21
i simply dont want to have to carry my huge bag in a subway
17:22
<warren>
true...
17:25
sweet, the weather looks nice and cool in portland
17:25
I wonder if I should take a coat...
17:25
<vagrantc>
warren: the cool weather is an abberation
17:26
expect hot
17:26
thankfully, not real humid
17:26
although i guess the abberation could last all during the hackfest...
17:26* ogra hopes for some sun
17:26
<ogra>
the last days here were rather odd
17:26
<warren>
too much sun
17:26
<ogra>
even thought i'm already slightly tanned
17:27
sun ?
17:27
where did you have that ?
17:27
<warren>
hmm, does yogurt survive freezing and thawing?
17:27* ogra only saw thunderstorms since sat.
17:27
<warren>
ogra: 24/7 air conditioning, so I don't know =)
17:29
<ogra>
heh
17:29
<warren>
I see that openssh 5.1 was released today
17:29
<ogra>
smoker see more of the real world, ask davidz :)
17:30
<warren>
has anyone tried to backport the statvfs patch to openssh 5.0?
17:30
I wonder why/how sshfs has statvfs code if it couldn't possibly have used it before.
17:30* ogra was told that 8.10 will likely get openssh 5.1
17:32
<ogra>
as well as in debian experimental
17:32
scottie will be able to tell us if thats the code he actually proposed a year ago
17:33
<warren>
cool
17:33
<ogra>
wont you have it in rawhide to play with ?
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<warren>
yes, but I don't have rawhdie installed here.
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<jammcq>
hey all
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20:25
<ace_suares>
hey jammcq
20:25
hey all others...
20:26
I testeted my problem with ssh -X on 32bit hardy - same crash. So it's not 32/64bit related, but hardy related...
20:30
<vagrantc>
!seen gadi
20:30
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: gadi was last seen in #ltsp 5 hours, 46 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: <Gadi> good luck, hallmant
20:31
<jammcq>
hey guys
20:32
<ace_suares>
jammcq
20:32
<jammcq>
hey ace_suares
20:32
<ace_suares>
read my last line ?
20:32
[21:26] <ace_suares> I testeted my problem with ssh -X on 32bit hardy - same crash. So it's not 32/64bit related, but hardy related...
20:33
<jammcq>
yeah, hmm
20:33
<ace_suares>
brrrr.....
20:33
i am up against the wall :-(
20:33
<jammcq>
could be version of glibc or any one of a million other problems
20:33
<ace_suares>
how can I listen in to the communication between the app and the X server ?
20:34
<jammcq>
hmm
20:34
<ace_suares>
I think glibc is not part of it isn't it ? You should be able to run an app on any X, reagrdless of glibc, isnt it ?
20:34
I mean, the app runs on the server not on the local machine ! Am I wrong !?
20:34
<jammcq>
yes, you should
20:34
<ace_suares>
so you know how I can trace the calls to the x server ???
20:35
<jammcq>
so, you know for sure that win4lin is working on your dsl virtual machine, right?
20:35
<ace_suares>
jammcq: yep, 100%... it also works via ssh -X on dapper...
20:35
<jammcq>
ssh -X FROM dapper, but not from hardy?
20:35
<ace_suares>
jammcq yep from dapper, not from hardy 32, not from hardy 64
20:36
but aterm or what have you work from both hardies ...
20:36
so if I ssh -X from dapper, I get the win98 and i can use it
20:36
if i ssh -X from hary32/64 it crashes.
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<ace_suares>
different xserver-xorg versions for sure! but ... damn WHY... !?
20:37
<kusznir_>
Hi all: Quick off-topic question: I need to set up a "remote" speaker and microphone over the network between two linux endpoints. Can anyone here point me in the right direction?
20:37
<jammcq>
hmm, maybe try turning off composit on hardy?
20:38
get your hardy X to be as simple as possible
20:38
<ace_suares>
hmmm okay, could be... I will check.
20:38
<kusznir_>
(i.e., I want to have computer a with a headset, and a mic and speakers on computer b, and have someone on computer A to say things that come out of computerB's speakers, etc.
20:39
<ace_suares>
how do i check if composite is on or off ? I mean, I disabaled compiz onthe 64... same problem
20:39
<kusznir_>
I'm asking here, as I recall LTSP working out some of these issues back in 4.2.
20:39
<ace_suares>
and I don't think compiz is running on the 32... is that what you mean by composite ?
20:39
<jammcq>
ace_suares: check your xorg.conf, see if it's loading the composite extension
20:39
<ace_suares>
k
20:40
<jammcq>
compiz is just the window manager
20:40
composite is an extension to the Xserver that's required for that to work
20:40
<ace_suares>
jammcq grep -i compo /etc/X11/xorg.conf turen up nothing
20:40
turen ? turns...
20:42
<jammcq>
nothing like this:
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Section "Extensions" Option "Composite" "Enable"
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EndSection
20:42
<ace_suares>
default depth = 24 but that's on dapper too.
20:42
jammcq yeah so grep -i compo should have gotten that... I was sure that it wasn't enabled...
20:42
<jammcq>
right
20:43
<ace_suares>
if i'd had hair i'd pull it our right now :-)
20:43
<jammcq>
heh
20:43
<ace_suares>
well I have hair but just as a matter of speaking, dont want to hurt myself :-)
20:44
there must be some comminication between the app and my local x server, can I not listen in to that ?
20:44
is that all going via tcp ?
20:44
maybe i can tcpdump it ?
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<ace_suares>
jammcq can it have to do with that the homedir is mounted in two place (in the vm and in the host?) I'll try with out that.
21:10
nope. that wasn't it :-(
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