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Channel log from 10 March 2008   (all times are UTC)

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<Nubae>
I've spent a weekend trying to get flash sound to work on my low fat clients, even compiling the damn flash files from scratch, there is just no way to get it working
03:28
Sound works great for everything else, it makes no sense
03:28
and I dont want to go back to gnash
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<tarzeau>
hi Nubae
04:08
Nubae: you need the libflashsupport package
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it's in ubuntu hardy, if you need an etch version i've got packages for that
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<tarzeau>
/usr/lib/ltsp/screen.d/ldm can i run xset +dpms somewhere there before ldm is started, or afterwards?
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<tarzeau>
/usr/lib/ltsp/screen.d/ldm can i run xset +dpms somewhere there before ldm is started, or afterwards?
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or inside the ltsp_config somewhere?
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<ogra_cmpc>
write an ldm rc.d script :)
05:49
put it to /usr/share/ldm/rd.c/
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<tarzeau>
and then you will put it into the next tarball release?
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<ogra_cmpc>
err
05:49
rc.d
05:49
no
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the configure-x script will get a variable for that
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to set it in the xorg.conf
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<tarzeau>
i do have such rc.d scripts but they are only run when a user logs in
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<ogra_cmpc>
indeed
05:50
<tarzeau>
i got the S15-nobeep and the S20-powersaver ones
05:50
i want one to be run without a user having to log in
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<ogra_cmpc>
you dont want to save power for idling displays ?
05:50
<tarzeau>
yes i do
05:50
xset +dpms
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xset dpms 600 900 1200
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<ogra_cmpc>
ah
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<tarzeau>
i want these two to be run
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<ogra_cmpc>
well, rc.local in the chroot would be an option, even though i'm not sure it runs early enough
05:51
<tarzeau>
rc.local ?
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<ogra_cmpc>
/etc/rc.local
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exists on every debian system
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<tarzeau>
but that needs be run when X is running
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<ogra_cmpc>
right
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as i said, i'm not exactly sure when ldm comes up, the rc script for it usually runs last
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so chances are good X is up
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(the rc script for rc.local i mean)
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<tarzeau>
you can't just run such commands outside the session
05:56
it should be right where ldm is started , either before if the session is open, or right after or something alike
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<ogra_cmpc>
well, ldm is started by the screen script from the ltsp-client-core initscript, which usually suuns way before rc.local ... so the session should be there and accessible for you
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*run
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s
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<tarzeau>
i still don't get where to write it
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<ogra_cmpc>
into /etc/rcd.local
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er
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rc.local
06:02* tarzeau just tried it, rebooting the ltsp client
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<tarzeau>
you think getting usb scanners to work is possible?
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<daduke>
ogra_cmpc: rc.local might be a good idea, however we've had some issues with it in the past - it appears that in etch it's not always/reliably executed...
06:03
<tarzeau>
daduke: was it +x ?
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<ogra_cmpc>
daduke, oh
06:03
thats bad indeed
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<daduke>
tarzeau: definitely not
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ogra_cmpc: vagrantc fixed the X access issue I saw. you guys rule.
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<ogra_cmpc>
nom you guys do
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if *we* would rule we wouldnt have carried that option with us for two years
06:06
blind fishes all over here
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<daduke>
ogra_cmpc: yeah right. I admit that I was a bit astonished nobody had tried it before, but neither had we. Only one of our users did.
06:08* ogra_cmpc thinks thats one of the most awkward oversights he ever had
06:08
<daduke>
ogra_cmpc: that's right, Yargo Bonetti is da man! all praise to him!
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<ogra_cmpc>
luckily i'm not the only one who missed it
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else i'd step back from programming
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<daduke>
ogra_cmpc: please don't.
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<ogra_cmpc>
i wont :)
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<daduke>
good
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on a brighter side, most ppl seem to be 'good'. Otherwise you'd have heard of dozens of hacked LTSP installations...
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<ogra_cmpc>
yeah
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<daduke>
X access issue + key logger + vmsplice == TWD!
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<ogra_cmpc>
but that also means people trust us .... which puts the thing in even worse light
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<daduke>
hmm true too
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<ogra_cmpc>
one thing i learned in two years of edubuntu buo
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building is ... dont trust your users to know or understand code
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<daduke>
I guess for edubuntu users that would be a safe bet.
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<ogra_cmpc>
yeah
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<daduke>
I hope vagrantc finds a way to combine the xauth with directx=true as it would reduce system load and increase performance. But for the time being, it's fine - as soon as the patched ldm shows up on alioth that is
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<ogra_cmpc>
i think he just dropped to much
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but that needs some further tests which i dont have time for yet
06:16
we have an Xauthority file i just doubt its used right
06:16
next release (for me at least )
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<daduke>
I see. that was my impression too - you might remember that on debian, /root was ro which meant no .Xauthority was ever written. Making it rw didn't change a thing.
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<ogra_cmpc>
right
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thats what vagrant said as well
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<daduke>
right
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<ogra_cmpc>
but i know we used it once before that -ac option even came into the game
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the very old first pyhon variants of ldm worked fine with it
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<daduke>
also X might've changed if it's > 2 years...
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<ogra_cmpc>
indeed
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<daduke>
unrelated: digging for LTSP info in the past 6 months, I sometimes had the impression that the LTSP/edubuntu/skolelinux/whatever ppl have a lot of unsynchronized/diverse information out there. I know that LTSP <-> ubuntu is almost the same, but for the rest I don't know... duplicate effor anyone?
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<ogra_cmpc>
we need someone who turns the edubuntu handbook into generic ltsp docs
06:25
scottie put nearly 6 months into writing up everyting in that book
06:26
<sep>
daduke, well they are not exactly identical tho. debian-edu(skolelinux) have users in ldap and machines in netgroups/ldap. so i am not sure all the documentation are identical. lso wer use kde. so there are naturally some debian-edu documentation that will not fit in the edubuntu setting. while most of the edubuntu/ltsp documentation would be valuable for debian-edu (except versino skew)
06:26
and there have been a lot of development on ltsp so the skew is not insignificant
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<ogra_cmpc>
ldap isnt related to ltsp
06:28
its a nice addon but we have reasons to stay away from it (i.e. for localapps)
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<sep>
well i am not sure what information he mean. so i just pointed out the biggest differences
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<daduke>
sep: right. Please understand that I don't want to complain - I just think it's confusing for ppl looking for information/errors/patches....
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<ogra_cmpc>
sep, well, ltsp5 in itself is pretty bad documented
06:29
scottie carried together all info but thats in the edubuntu hadbook
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*handbook
06:29
\i dont know any other documentation that touches all basics
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at some point someone needs to go over it and rip out the ltsp parts into a proper documentation
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<sep>
would be great to have a real ltsp reference. trying things from the ltsp4 docs on ltsp5 often is more confusing then enlightening
06:32* daduke agrees
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<ogra_cmpc>
yup
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<daduke>
anyway, by far the greatest source of information is this channel. Cannot thank y'all enough.
06:43
<ogra_cmpc>
daduke, wers nich im kopf hat, hats in den beinen :) (docs would likely ease the support load :) )
06:43
<daduke>
true that.
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<daduke>
ogra_cmpc: is LTSP your fulltime job?
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<ogra_cmpc>
daduke, it was until the hardy release cycle started
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<tarzeau>
ogra_cmpc: that didn't work (/etc/rc.local)
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<ogra_cmpc>
i moved on to subnotebooks, staying as maintainer for ltsp but not as main dev anymore
06:52
<daduke>
right
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<Blinny>
ogra_cmpc: Who is main dev now?
06:59
<ogra_cmpc>
Blinny, team effort ... all subscribers to ltsp-upstream on launchpad
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which is sbalneav, warren, vagrantc and me for the core and some occasional comitters
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<Blinny>
Cool. Thank you.
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<daduke>
vagrantc: bonjour! Thanks for fixing my bug!
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<vagrantc>
daduke: gald to help :)
07:45
daduke: this was the "anyone can connect to your X server bug" ?
07:45
<daduke>
vagrantc: aye. When do you think the new ldm will be in alioth?
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<vagrantc>
daduke: hopefully today or tomorrow.
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daduke: i've gotta get the version in etch (0.99debian11) fixed, as we as the version in debian-edu.
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<daduke>
vagrantc: great. for the time being, we will resort to the X ssh tunnel. If at some point directx and +ac are compatible, we'd like to switch back.
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<vagrantc>
daduke: yes, directx is still affected.
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daduke: thanks so much for reporting the bug.
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<ogra_cmpc>
++
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<vagrantc>
daduke: i had my suspicions years ago, but i never actually came up with the exploit :)
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<daduke>
vagrantc: you're welcome. And I was only the reporter. He's the man: http://yargo.andropov.org/
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<vagrantc>
daduke: well, pass on my thanks then
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<daduke>
vagrantc: I will.
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vagrantc: it's a creepy feeling seeing all your keystrokes on another machine and ogra's xeyes all the way from Kassel ;)
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<laga>
ogra_cmpc: since you seem to be busy: do you want a debdiff with all the changes i'm proposing for the next LTSP upload?
08:30
<ogra_cmpc>
can you do one per change so i can commit them separately ?
08:31
<laga>
ogra_cmpc: ok, you already have that. :) i was talking about making one big diff from all those tickets
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<ogra_cmpc>
hmm
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<tarzeau>
12:02 < tarzeau> you think getting usb scanners to work is possible?
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<ICC>
can someone advise me on what kiwi-ltsp is, and when setting up an ew ltsp server (first timer) I shoudl use the kiwi-ltsp or just ltsp?
11:37
I plan to run this on opensuse - kde
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<cliebow_>
kiwi is suse version of ltsp5
11:44
now ic ant remember who is championing it..in here all the time...old age...
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<ICC>
so that is the one to use then?
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<johnny>
cyberorg ?
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<cyberorg>
ICC, kiwi-ltsp is in development ltsp5 implementation on suse
11:52
ICC, see http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/KIWI-LTSP
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i wouldnt call it ready for production, buntu is much more stable and feature complete
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<ICC>
okay. I have set up ltsp 5 on ubuntu. I don't like the distro much though.
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We plan to use it for public kiosk at my small community college
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<johnny>
that's the best atm..
11:54
or debian
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<warren>
but Ubuntu has so much brown!
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<cyberorg>
ICC, kiwi-ltsp would be in shape to use for openSUSE 11, that is couple of months away
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<johnny>
i think it looks pretty..
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but it's not like you can't switch the colors up..
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<ICC>
so would you recommend ltsp4.x instead?
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<johnny>
i use gentoo normally btw.. so not an ubuntu fanboy or nothin
11:56
NO!
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<cyberorg>
or wait till warren is through with fedora implementation :)
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<warren>
ICC, no
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<johnny>
ltsp4 is unmaintained
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<ICC>
is there a vanilla ltsp 5 that I can run on opensuse 10.3?
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<johnny>
there is no such thing
11:56
you can run ubuntu chroot
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<johnny>
possibly
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that is the main difference between 4 and 5, is that 5 is distro dependent
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<ICC>
I think I'll try kiwi then. I have the drive with the ubuntu version in case i need to revert
11:59
I have about 10 public kiosks that should have internet only. I want to use the kde-admin tool to lock them down. do you know if that will work with kiwi?
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<cyberorg>
ICC, it will probably work in 11, i have put hold on 10.3 implementation as i would like to get 'proper' thing ready for 11
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<fgiraldeau>
GSoC sombody?
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I whish to apply a project for google summer of code this year for LTSP
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If nobody complains, then I will proceed
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<johnny>
fgiraldeau, where have you been? :)
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<fgiraldeau>
well, I was very busy
12:52
business is going well, plus the master
12:52
I hate IRC, kind of time wasting...
12:52
anyway, I understand that it's a good way of communication in the team
12:53
Nobody replied to the mail about google summer of code
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And I'm trying to settle that
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<johnny>
i think it is a good idea
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<fgiraldeau>
Bring some manpower
12:54
Yeah, I think so
12:54
<johnny>
who would mentor a project?
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<fgiraldeau>
There are many ideas in launchpad and there is the wiki
12:54
Yeah
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<johnny>
i personally would..
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if folks thought i knew enough
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<fgiraldeau>
You too, great
12:55
Probably, remember me your background?
12:56
What is your email on ltsp-discuss and ltsp-devel?
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<johnny>
i'm not on either atm
12:57
i should probably be tho at some point
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<johnny>
my background is that i use ltsp and help people with ltsp :)
12:57
and amd currently attempting to assist the port to gentoo
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so i can understand the archiecture bettr
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<fgiraldeau>
it's interesting
13:00
And you will have time to devote to a student this summer?
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<johnny>
atm yes
13:01
depends on the specific project certainly, but it sounds like fun
13:01
if i have enough time to hang out on irc, then i certainly can handle that i think :)
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<fgiraldeau>
probably, yeah
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<cliebow_>
fgiraldeau, youy were in Maine in Nov. werent you?
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<fgiraldeau>
yeah
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it was really cool
13:10
<cliebow_>
i knew i met you there..you were interested in nx right?
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<fgiraldeau>
yeah
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I mean, I'm doing my master on that topic.
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<cliebow_>
i was the bearded old dude that sorta sponsored it..
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in Maine
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<fgiraldeau>
yeah, I know, with your old IBM Netvista! ;)
13:11
What a fuc*ing machine that refuse to boot.
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anyway, great time
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<cliebow_>
heh..booted ok if you fed it a 2.4 kernel..an uncompressed proprietary pos
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<fgiraldeau>
Hep, that's the life
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<fgiraldeau>
http://downloads.revolutionlinux.com/gsoc/signup/gosc-ltsp-apply-form.html
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here it is
14:01
were all set
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waiting for google's answer
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<Blinny>
I'm curious how LinuxMCE uses local devices like DVD players on thin clients to stream media between servers and clients. That's interesting technology.
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<jammcq>
hey friends
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<warren>
I'm only an acquaintance. =P
14:28
j/k
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<klausade>
vagrantc: your patch for #469462 removes LDM_DIRECTX, right?
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<warren>
klausade, URL?
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<vagrantc>
klausade: well, it doesn't fix the bug with LDM_DIRECTX
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klausade: so if using LDM_DIRECTX ... it's still possible to read/write to other people's displays
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<warren>
read/write isn't the worst of you
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it
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<warren>
you can hijack, mess with their input, etc.
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<klausade>
warren: debian bug #469462
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<vagrantc>
warren: that's just another way of describing it
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warren: reading and sending keystrokes ...
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<vagrantc>
i'd really like to get that fixed properly.
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i think the existing patch is kind a a crude workaround more than an actual fix.
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<vagrantc>
klausade: i was hoping to update the ldm backports, as well as the version in debian-edu today.
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<toddobryan>
Are the step you need to follow to enable nbd swap listed anywhere?
15:27
I've set NBD_SWAP = true and set the size in /etc/lts.conf/nbdswapd.conf to 128, but SWAP doesn't show up when I run "free" at a command line.
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<vagrantc>
toddobryan: what linux distro and release?
15:30
<toddobryan>
Ubuntu 7.10 with the latest LTSP packages.
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<vagrantc>
toddobryan: should be documentation in /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/swap
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<toddobryan>
Thanks. Reading now...
15:40
wow, so earlier I didn't do the "touch /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/nbd-client" step
15:41
it's at least requesting the swap space (I can see it in the server's syslog), but the client is getting read errors from the nbd space
15:43
<vagrantc>
you probably have to regenerate your image before changes will take effect ...
15:43
<toddobryan>
hmm, I did do that, actually
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<vagrantc>
ok, just mentioned it as it's an easy step to miss.
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i haven't worked with nbd swap for quite a while ... and i haven't really worked with ubuntu at all ..
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<eriamjh>
have you ever heard of this error : "/bin/umount: invalid option -- i" when running "fusermount -u -z /path" ?
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<mnemoc>
hi, is NFS still the recomended way (not distro specific) to share the root of the clients?
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<vagrantc>
depends on your distro.
15:49
definitely the default for debian. ubuntu uses nbd by default.
15:49
not sure which way the soon-to-be fedora ltsp will lean.
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<warren>
I'm not sure either.
15:50
our NBD wont use unionfs
15:50
that will be a bit different
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<mnemoc>
neither aufs?
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<vagrantc>
i did try NBD+tmpfs+bind mounts with debian a while back with good luck.
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<warren>
we wont use unionfs until it hits upstream kernel
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<mnemoc>
warren: but nbd is your probable choice?
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<warren>
mnemoc, that depends on how far I get with implementation
15:53
mnemoc, my people wont let me add it until I first implement mount.nbd
15:53
well, not mount.nbd
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but nbd should behave like loop
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<vagrantc>
?!
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<warren>
mount -t iso9660 -o loop,ro FILE /mountpoint
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<vagrantc>
why should it behave any differently than /dev/hda ?
15:54
that's the whole point of nbd
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<warren>
mount -t squashfs -o nbd,r 192.168.0.254:2000 /mountpoint
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vagrantc, just add a nbd wrapper to mount so it behaves like loop
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<vagrantc>
although the syntax sounds tasty.
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<warren>
if I implement it this way it becomes very easy to support by our other tools
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<vagrantc>
warren: so the wrapper handles all the nbd-client stuff?
15:55
<warren>
yes
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<vagrantc>
ok, i want it.
15:55
:)
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<warren>
the one hard part is ... how do you know if a /dev/nbdX is already used
15:55
?
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<vagrantc>
yeah, we've got some ugly code in our initramfs scripts to detect that ... but there's just got to be a cleaner way
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warren: maybe i should file a wishlist bug on nbd to make detecting a used /dev/nbdX more simple
15:57
a nice little script like "nbd-active --all" or "nbd-active /dev/nbdX" would be very useful.
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<warren>
I have to implement all this in C...
15:58
<vagrantc>
i'll make a wishlist request and see what i get.
15:58
it would be nice if it were a small little C program, yes.
15:58
<warren>
since nbd-client has to fork and daemonize, I also have to figure out if the device is actually working somehow
15:58* vagrantc still likes NFS
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<warren>
vagrantc, 1) implement mount -o nbd 2) add minimal support for it in our mkinitrd 3) write RFC for IETF to add nbd-root option to official standards.
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vagrantc, one of our engineers is on the IETF DHCP group
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vagrantc, 4) after F9 add nbd-root support to our mkinitrd and you can write the same in your initramfs-tools
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but all this depends on mount -o nbd
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<vagrantc>
warren: i look forward to it :)
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<IRCzito>
someone goes to FISL?
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<vagrantc>
not since 2004
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now there's an event to get excited about free software
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<johnny>
vagrantc, is there a reason ltsp-build-client isn't marked +x in ltsp-trunk, but all the other scripts are?
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<vagrantc>
johnny: not really
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<johnny>
mind changing it? for consistancy reasons?
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<vagrantc>
it seems like a trivial thing to commit and has never really been an issue.
17:01
<johnny>
consistency things usually are.. :)
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<vagrantc>
i guess some distros might not automagically mark it as executable when they build their packages...
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<edistar_>
hi, anyone using ltsp with e17?
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<IRCzito>
vagrantc: do you come to FISL 9
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<vagrantc>
IRCzito: no ... i went to FISL4 ... would like to go back someday
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<IRCzito>
:(
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<vagrantc>
klausade: updated the backports for ldm: deb http://pkg-ltsp.alioth.debian.org/debian etch-ltsp-backports main
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<subsume>
hi all. is there some way to access thin-client error logs? I'm trying to trace the cause of a failed client startup.
19:49
<laga>
subsume: on ubuntu?
19:49
<subsume>
laga: yes sir
19:49
or ma'am
19:49
but probably sir
19:49
<laga>
sir is fine :)
19:50
<subsume>
laga: you have any experience with them? I'm in the middle of edubuntu hell right now and need a rope (or a noose)
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<laga>
subsume: IIRC, your clients will try to log to the server by default. you can add "-r" to the syslogd options on your server or
19:50
add SYSLOG=local to your lts.conf and check on the clients themselves
19:50
i think you can also use SYSLOG=foobar, doesn't matter ;)
19:51
<subsume>
laga: its funny that you mention that because my client is choking at 'Starting system log daemon'....
19:52
laga: lts.conf on my thin-client environment or server?
19:53* vagrantc notes that both the thin-client environment and the server are on the server.
19:53
<laga>
subsume: /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/ on the server will do
19:55
<subsume>
laga: do i need to rebuild environment after that?
19:55
<laga>
on
19:55
no*
19:55
it's pulled in when the clients boot.
19:55
<subsume>
ok. where can i expect this log to go to? dmesg?
19:55
<laga>
it's not inside the environment, you see
19:55
subsume: /var/log ;)
19:56
<subsume>
which file within there? sorry. quite newb.
19:56
<laga>
subsume: i dunno, messages and syslog might be interesting
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<subsume>
laga: nothing really related to the client there besides DHCP stuff
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<laga>
:/
20:04
i'm afraid i won't be able to help you much then :/
20:05
<subsume>
you sure SYSLOG=local in lts.conf is going to do anything?
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<laga>
it did for me, it'll prevent the client from trying to connect to the server AFAIK.
20:05
um
20:05
subsume: where did you look for those files?
20:06
on the client or on the server?
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<subsume>
laga: which? lts.conf?
20:07* vagrantc thinks it's better to supply full paths than say "client" or "server"
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<subsume>
=)
20:07
I think we understand one another
20:07
<laga>
subsume: the log files
20:07
<subsume>
laga: the server log of course. =)
20:08
<vagrantc>
subsume: if you understood, you wouldn't repeatedly be asking about lts.conf
20:08
<subsume>
vagrantc: I was asking for clarification. If you have something constructive to say, please let me know. otherwise....
20:08* vagrantc backs out
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<laga>
subsume: see, if we set SYSLOG=local in a config file for the client, how likely is it that the logs will show up on the server? :)
20:09
<subsume>
laga: I didn't set them in the client chroot.
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<laga>
come to think of it, youprobably can't log in into the diskless environment inside your client (not the X session)
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<subsume>
laga: I set them in tftp (which, AFAIK doesn't even exist in the client)
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<laga>
subsume: where did you look for them? /opt/ltsp/i386/var/log ?
20:10
<subsume>
log files? no. /var/log
20:10* laga scratches head
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<subsume>
the ones in opt/fati386 are empty
20:10
<laga>
subsume: the best thing you can do
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<vagrantc>
if SYSLOG=local, you need to log into the client itself in order to view the log files.
20:11
<laga>
edit /etc/default/syslogd on the SERVER and add the -r switch there, restart /etc/init.d/sysklogd on the SERVER and remove SYSLOG=local from the client
20:11
<subsume>
vagrantc: I'm not really sure how to login to the client.
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<vagrantc>
this can be done by setting SCREEN_NN=shell, where NN is an open tty.
20:11
in lts.conf
20:12
<laga>
and you can check the logs on the server in /var/log/
20:12
yeah, or listen to subsume.
20:12
if it hangs while setting up the syslogd on the client that might be a good option.
20:12
<ogra_cmpc>
laga, what the heck are you doing up ? its 2am
20:12
<laga>
s/subsume/vagrantc/
20:12
ogra_cmpc: go to bed
20:12
<vagrantc>
though i think remote syslogging is probably easier.
20:12
<subsume>
....
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<laga>
but as you can see, i'm even more confused at this time of the day
20:12
<subsume>
consensus? =)
20:12
<ogra_cmpc>
i would if i could :P
20:13
<vagrantc>
subsume: do it one way or the other. doesn't really matter, as long as you consistantly configure it one way.
20:13* laga knocks out ogra_cmpc
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<subsume>
going with laga's.
20:13
<ogra_cmpc>
heh
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<ogra_cmpc>
laga, that wont finish my classmate image
20:14
<laga>
yes, but i might scare you into another LTSP upload ;)
20:14
<vagrantc>
gotta get a security update for debian-edu fixed.
20:15
<laga>
good luck with the CMPC, though
20:15
i booted my fat client image on a box with 128M RAM and.. it sucked :)
20:15
<ogra_cmpc>
i'll have something ready tomight
20:15
just fighting with someminimal things
20:16
<subsume>
so I've made no configs in the fat client root. I changed the syslogd file to have -r, restarted, removed syslog=local from tftp and no new messages appear in log
20:17
<vagrantc>
subsume: which file did you add "-r" to ?
20:17
<subsume>
vagrantc: /etc/default/syslogd on server. this wrong?
20:17
<vagrantc>
subsume: sounds good.
20:17
just double-checking.
20:18
subsume: and you rebooted the thin-client after removing SYSLOG=local ?
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<laga>
vagrantc: i think he said it hangs when starting the syslogd..
20:18
<subsume>
the client machine, yes.
20:19
vagrantc: yes. I did that
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'starting system log daemon' hangs forever.
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<subsume>
Let's assume I just want to skip this whole system log daemon to see what happens when it continues and fails?
20:30
Can someone help me do that?
20:34
<vagrantc>
subsume: at the top of /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/init.d/sysklogd ... add an "exit 0" to the second line
20:34
er, insert "exit 0"
20:36
<subsume>
vagrantc: that's constructive. =) Strangely it still hangs.
20:38
vagrantc: do I need to rebuild the thin client root?
20:44
<vagrantc>
subsume: oh, yeah. any time you modify anything in /opt/ltsp/i386, you'll need to rebuild it
20:44
<subsume>
vagrantc: which leads me to a strange quirk question
20:44
I get this immediate warning when I try to update it
20:44
chroot: cannot change root directory to /opt/ltsp/i386: No such file or directory
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I am running the command sudo ltsp-update-image -a fati386 -b /opt/ltsp -p 2001
20:45
<vagrantc>
ltsp-update-image is probably all kinds of hard-coded.
20:45
<subsume>
vagrantc: ok... so you aren't familiar. hmpf. too bad its a binary I'd poke around in it myself
20:50
<vagrantc>
ltsp-update-image is in /bin/sh (or maybe /bin/bash)
20:51
<subsume>
LDAP ERRORS!!!
20:52
Thank you! =)
20:52
<vagrantc>
heh
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<subsume>
vagrantc: please go to #ldap so I can continue yelling at you
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=)
21:02
thanks for yer help.
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<vagrantc>
subsume: sure. sorry if i was a bit annoying at first.
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<vagrantc_>
hrm.
21:37
just upgraded virtualbox recently ... and my system just hung :(
21:37
trying to test the new old packages for debian-edu
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<subsume>
how can I totally remove LTSP?
23:17
apt-get remove still keeps /etc/ltsp/
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<johnny>
purge ?
23:18
but that's in the apt-get manual
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purge is necessary to remove all bits of a package
23:19
altho in this case it prolly won't purge /opt/ltsp but you can remove that yourself
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<sutula>
subsume: --purge should do it, but as johnny said, that probably won't remove things created by the various client build scripts
23:22
<subsume>
I am confused.... I suspect that LTSP is somehow updating all of my clients /etc/resolv.conf 's to be "example.com" and a junk IP address
23:22
does this make any sense to anyone?
23:23
<johnny>
and your own resolv.conf is fine?
23:23
<subsume>
the server's? yeah. connects to internet fine
23:23
<vagrantc_>
subsume: is /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf telling it to use those resolv.conf settings?
23:23
<subsume>
I noticed a similar thing happened with the client /etc/passwd
23:24
<sutula>
subsume: On my installation, the client's /etc/resolv.conf is fine
23:24
<subsume>
http://pastebin.com/m544b5b6d <-- installed ltsp and got funky warnings
23:24
<vagrantc_>
nothing messes with /etc/passwd directly ... it will disable root's password, by calling: passwd -l root
23:25
<sutula>
subsume: The client /etc/passwd is distinct from the server's
23:25
<johnny>
vagrantc_, now you get to deal with me asking ltsp devel questions :)
23:25
<vagrantc_>
unless you're manually creating users inside the chroot, no users get created by default.
23:25
<subsume>
sutula: I know... and yet the client machines were updated.
23:25
<sutula>
updated?
23:25
<subsume>
sutula: its weird. but anyway... forget about that.... anyone think that pastebin is odd?
23:25
I created a user on the server machine and it ended up in all client /etc/passwd
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<vagrantc_>
unless you've got custom plugins, there's nothing in the ltsp code that would do that.
23:26
<sutula>
subsume: Sounds like you have a mess on your hands
23:26
<subsume>
Also, whenever I restart a client I get a funky /etc/resolv.conf
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'example.com' and '192.168.0.1'
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<vagrantc_>
subsume: did you look in dhcpd.conf? those are the default settings.
23:27* sutula thinks subsume's installation has an LTSP virus, and backs away slowly :)
23:27
<vagrantc_>
subsume: /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
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<subsume>
=)
23:28
Here is something odd... I purged ltsp and yet the old config is there
23:28
I know its the old config because I commented some things out
23:28
vagrantc_: so I am reluctant to show you my dhcpd.conf because its one I don't want(!)
23:28
<vagrantc_>
yes, --purge isn't handled 100% correctly
23:28
<subsume>
vagrantc_: I tried rm -rf /etc/ltsp after that but then I didn't end up with a new /etc/ltsp directory
23:29
<vagrantc_>
subsume: i don't care what you show me, i'm merely telling you it sounds like it's the source of your problems.
23:29
<subsume>
http://paste.stgraber.org/1419
23:29
vagrantc_: what I'm asking is how can I get a fresh /etc/ltsp/?
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<vagrantc_>
subsume: nothing is installed in /etc/ltsp by ltsp-server, unless ubuntu's a little different. ltsp-server-standalone installs /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
23:30
<subsume>
vagrantc_: very helpful. I don't suppose you know how I can get a fresh one?
23:30
<vagrantc_>
subsume: apt-get --purge remove ltsp-server ltspfs ; rm -rf /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp /opt/ltsp/ /etc/ltsp* ; apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone
23:30
<subsume>
apt-get remove ltsp-server-standalone;rm -rf / ?
23:31
<vagrantc_>
well, you could just skip both those steps and re-install from scratch, if that's your inclination :P
23:32
<subsume>
=)
23:32
I like your method
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<vagrantc_>
all i want to do is finish this one last ltsp upload, test it, and get some sleep.
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