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Channel log from 12 December 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:38 | <johnny> fedora's mpg123 lacks a pulse driver..
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| 00:57 | <johnny> yay.. :(
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| 00:57 | or not
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| 00:57 | let's see.. the version control systems of projects i work with often..
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| 00:57 | bzr,git,svn,cvs,mtn
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| 00:58 | and now adding hg to the roster..
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| 00:58 | and darcs occasionally even..
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| 02:47 | <nubae> why do Debian and Fedora use NFS as default instead of NBD?
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| 06:29 | <Hyperbyte> Setting up LTSP on Fedora 10... after login thin clients drop back to the login screen... why?
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| 06:29 | <Appiah> nubae: LTSP 5 ?
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| 07:19 | <kriegaffe> I had this drop-back to login screen when I installed ltsp-server on a ubuntu server wich had not installed any x components
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| 07:19 | didn't have time to find out which files were missing
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| 07:20 | <rjune_> Hyperbyte: usually that means X can't start the window omanager
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| 07:20 | try setting the session type to failsafe and see what happens
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| 07:21 | if that works(it's just a shell)
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| 07:21 | run gnome-session
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| 07:21 | if that fails, you should have some clue why
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| 07:21 | <nubae> Appiah: ?
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| 07:22 | <Appiah> you asked about debian and fedora using nfs instead of ndb
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| 07:22 | I was asking if that was LTSP 5
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| 07:22 | <nubae> yeah... I wonder why they don't default to nbd
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| 08:03 | <Appiah> ...
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| 08:36 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: can I test out that whitelist? I don't need an installer/package or anything...
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| 09:00 | <FlyOnTheWall> would anybody happen to know how to set refresh and sync rates in the LTSP distributed with Xubuntu?
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| 09:00 | seems good ol' /opt/ltsp/amd64/etc/lts.conf isn't any good
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| 09:00 | and neither does the tftp one
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| 09:01 | <d3co> hi!
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| 09:01 | I installed my server ltsp, but now my users created with /bin/bash may not enter the PC customers, only root can login!
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| 09:02 | <d3co> maybe some additional configuration?
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| 09:04 | how can make my users to login?
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| 09:06 | <rjune> d3co, can you login as them at the server?
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| 09:06 | or via ssh?
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| 09:08 | <d3co> mm
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| 09:09 | in pc client appears in the login ltsp.org :) but only root can login!
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| 09:10 | <sbalneav> FlyOnTheWall: Probably the easiest would be to provide a custom xorg.conf, and point to it with the X_CONF variable.
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| 09:10 | <d3co> my server ltsp is a server ssh too!
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| 09:11 | <sbalneav> d3co: Can these users log in on the console?
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| 09:12 | <d3co> yes with ssh!
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| 09:12 | and login too
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| 09:13 | <sbalneav> ok, so what happens when they try to log in via a thin client?
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| 09:16 | <d3co> appear again ltsp.org login :s
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| 09:17 | <d3co> well
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| 09:17 | was seeing that my users have no home directory
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| 09:18 | <sbalneav> Well, if they have no home directory, that would cause the problem. :)
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| 09:19 | <rjune> d3co, there's the problme
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| 09:19 | yeah
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| 09:19 | <rjune> d3co, in most distros, cp -a /etc/skel ~USERNAME && chown -R USERNAME ~USERNAME
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| 09:19 | should do it
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| 09:19 | d3co, however, most distros create the home directory for you.
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| 09:19 | are you using LDAP or some other remote auth?
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| 09:20 | <d3co> no ldap
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| 09:21 | <sbalneav> d3co: What distro are you running?
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| 09:22 | <d3co> just follow the step of the typical installation of ltsp to lenny
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| 09:24 | for this information http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto :)
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| 09:26 | well i return, i gonna try again with the new users home :)
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| 09:33 | <Gadi> d3co: in case you read this log: while read i; do if [ $(echo $i|cut -d: -f3) -ge 1000 ]; then usermod -m $(echo $i|cut -d: -f1); fi; done </etc/passwd
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| 09:33 | good morning, all
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| 09:34 | <sbalneav> Morning Gadi
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| 09:34 | <Gadi> happy friday
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| 09:35 | <alkisg> Gadi: you got one of those for getting usernames/passwords from an "old" /etc/passwd - shadow into a new one? :)
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| 09:36 | <Gadi> hehe
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| 09:36 | <alkisg> (transferring accounts, I mean... :P)
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| 09:37 | <Gadi> well, it could be dangerous, but a quick and dirty one would be:
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| 09:43 | <d3co> rjune: thanks the home directory is the solution! :)
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| 09:43 | <Gadi> unset USERS; while read i; do if [ $(echo $i|cut -d: -f3) -ge 1000 ]; then USERS="$USERS $(echo $i|cut -d: -f1)"; echo $i >>/etc/passwd; fi; done </etc/passwd.old; while read i; do CHECKUSER=$(echo $i|cut -d: -f1); for u in $USERS; [ "$u" = "$CHECKUSER" ] && echo $i >>/etc/shadow; done; done </etc/shadow.old
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| 09:44 | <d3co> rjune: i have to do onother configuration in the gdm.conf?
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| 09:44 | <alkisg> Gadi: wow! I'll need 1 hour to read that... :)
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| 09:44 | Thanks!!!
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| 09:44 | <Gadi> alkisg: hehe
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| 09:44 | yeah
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| 09:45 | dont test it on a machine you care about
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| 09:45 | <nubae> the master of sh
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| 09:45 | <alkisg> Gadi: don't worry, I'll check it manually afterwards
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| 09:45 | * Gadi never gets it right the first time | |
| 09:45 | <alkisg> It's just 50 students, so one more, one less... no problem! :)
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| 09:48 | <Gadi> alkisg: just found a type: I need a "do" after: for u in $USErS;
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| 09:48 | hehe
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| 09:48 | see
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| 09:48 | never right the first time
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| 09:49 | <alkisg> Gadi: it's not an easy thing, these 3-line oneliners... :)
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| 09:49 | <Gadi> u bet
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| 09:51 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: i'm testing something for you now
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| 09:51 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: great, thank you
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| 09:54 | <warren> .pastebot
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| 09:54 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: http://fpaste.org/paste/336 This sucks a lot and upstream might not look like this, but it is simple and it works.
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| 09:55 | <Gadi> etyack!
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| 09:55 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: it allows only single words
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| 09:55 | <etyack> Gadi!
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| 09:55 | <Gadi> how are *u*, man?
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| 09:55 | <etyack> hanging in there. preparing my bailout application :)
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| 09:55 | <_UsUrPeR_> lulz
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| 09:56 | <Gadi> etyack: cool - ill hop in my jet and hand deliver it for ya
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| 09:56 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: that's just fine. I can get on creating a few scripts
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| 09:56 | <etyack> Gadi: it'll help pay for Christmas gifts and my bonus
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| 09:56 | <rjune> etyack, howdy
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| 09:57 | <etyack> rjune: hey!
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| 09:57 | rjune: how are things?
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| 09:57 | <rjune> meh
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| 09:57 | looking for work
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| 09:57 | <etyack> unemployed | unhappy
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| 09:58 | <Gadi> warren: you want to WHITELIST all local commands?
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| 09:58 | by default?
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| 09:58 | that can get tedious
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| 09:59 | and quite hairy
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| 09:59 | can we not have a blacklist instead?
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| 10:00 | bbiab
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| 10:03 | <rjune> etyack, I'm not unemployed yet
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| 10:04 | <etyack> rjune: that's a much better position to be in
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| 10:05 | what type of work are you looking for?
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| 10:06 | <rjune> anything that pays the bills.
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| 10:06 | I can't really move at the moment, but I'm versatile
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| 10:07 | <etyack> email me your resume, etyack@disklessworkstations.com
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| 10:07 | never know
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| 10:15 | <rjune> etyack, off to ya
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| 10:16 | <warren> Gadi: oops, I forgot to make it not enforce if the whitelist is not defined
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| 10:17 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: what's the format of the whitelist allowable file supposed to be? also, where do I put it?
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| 10:17 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: there is no file
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| 10:17 | <Gadi> warren: ah - that makes more sense - and would complement nicely a LOCAL_APPS_MENU_ITEMS
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| 10:17 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: LOCAL_APPS_WHITELIST="/usr/bin/something /usr/bin/something2"
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| 10:17 | _UsUrPeR_: in lts.conf
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| 10:17 | <_UsUrPeR_> oh nice
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| 10:17 | ok, cool
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| 10:18 | <warren> Gadi: I'm not certain that this is what we want upstream
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| 10:18 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: thanks a lot
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| 10:18 | <warren> Gadi: limited to single words
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| 10:19 | <Gadi> change: for cmd in $LOCAL_APPS_WHITELIST; do
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| 10:19 | oops
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| 10:19 | I mean
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| 10:19 | change: [ "$cmd" = "$LTSP_COMMAND" ]
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| 10:19 | to: [ "$cmd" = "$(echo $LTSP_COMMAND|cut -d\ -f1)" ]
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| 10:20 | (two spaces after the \
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| 10:20 | That'll remove your limitation
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| 10:20 | <warren> Gadi: what about safety?
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| 10:21 | Gadi: will that prevent two commands from begin run on the other end?
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| 10:21 | <Gadi> no
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| 10:21 | instead of comparing cmd to the entire LTSP_COMMAND string
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| 10:21 | it compares it to the first word
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| 10:22 | NOTE: you also don't care for full path versus relative
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| 10:22 | so, "firefox" will not match "/usr/bin/firefox"
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| 10:22 | so, we should do:
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| 10:23 | LTSP_COMMAND_EXE="$(echo $LTSP_COMMAND|cut -d\ -f1)"
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| 10:23 | if [ "$cmd" = "$(LTSP_COMMAND##/*/}" ]; then
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| 10:24 | if [ "$cmd" = "${LTSP_COMMAND##/*/}" ]; then
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| 10:24 | sorry -goofed the curly brace in that first one
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| 10:24 | <warren> I think we don't support PATH running now
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| 10:24 | I don't think that's bad.
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| 10:24 | <Gadi> ah, ok
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| 10:24 | so the list in the whitelist should be full paths?
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| 10:25 | thats certainly easier
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| 10:25 | <warren> I'm thinking if there are any drawbacks to [ "$cmd" = "$(echo $LTSP_COMMAND|cut -d\ -f1)" ]
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| 10:25 | Gadi: why two spaces?
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| 10:25 | <Gadi> the backslash in an escape character
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| 10:26 | so you can make the delimiter a single space
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| 10:26 | <warren> oh
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| 10:26 | <Gadi> the only drawback is if your command needs a helper like "sudo"
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| 10:26 | because, then "sudo" becomes the first word
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| 10:27 | <warren> I don't think it is ever safe to allow sudo
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| 10:27 | <Gadi> well, yeah - prolly if you're gonna start whitelisting, you would whitelist sudo too
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| 10:27 | :)
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| 10:28 | but, hey - ya never know
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| 10:28 | <warren> if you need to be unrestricted, don't use the whitelist
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| 10:28 | This is primarily for _UsUrPeR_'s paranoid customer
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| 10:29 | be back online soon
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| 11:33 | <stgraber> warren: does everything worked for you with the release you tagged ?
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| 11:34 | warren: looks like it breaks with LDM_DIRECTX=True here
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| 11:34 | <warren> stgraber: seemingly, I'm running into GNOME upstream problems though
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| 11:34 | GNOME fucked themselves
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| 11:34 | really?
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| 11:34 | * warren tries | |
| 11:34 | <stgraber> yeah, I get: xrdb: Can't open display '192.168.0.101::7'
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| 11:34 | in my .xsession-errors
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| 11:35 | unfortunately I'm testing remotely so it's not that easy to have a good idea of what's going on
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| 11:35 | (might be my fault too)
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| 11:35 | <warren> crap
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| 11:35 | it does appear broken
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| 11:36 | <johnny> care to explain that statement warren ?
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| 11:36 | about gnome
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| 11:37 | <warren> johnny: fallout from the dbus security "fix" I think
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| 11:38 | <johnny> oh.. sure
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| 11:38 | <Gadi> seems ur doubling down on ::s
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| 11:38 | <johnny> i blame the package maintainer
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| 11:38 | s*
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| 11:38 | pretty sure it said to be conservative in your fixes
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| 11:38 | <warren> johnny: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18980
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| 11:38 | <johnny> in the initial announcements
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| 11:38 | <warren> johnny: yes, I blame him too
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| 11:39 | He pushed the dbus update without ANY votes or testing feedback from anyone else. It is a security hole where nearly every dbus application was relying on the security vulnerability, so he fundamentally changes the way dbus works in a security update in violation of our rules.
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| 11:40 | <stgraber> warren: good, "it's not my fault", any idea what's going on ?
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| 11:40 | warren: looks like the .Xauthority isn't generated or at least not correctly on the server
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| 11:40 | <warren> stgraber: the LDM_DIRECTX=yes thing was broken by something...
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| 11:41 | <Gadi> I see it
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| 11:41 | its in Ryan52's new code
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| 11:41 | MY_DISP="DISPLAY=$LDMINFO_IPADDR:$DISPLAY"
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| 11:41 | should eliminate the :
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| 11:41 | <johnny> i'm just gonna blame Gadi for the whole thing
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| 11:41 | problem solved
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| 11:41 | <Gadi> in rc.d/X99-run-x-session
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| 11:42 | <stgraber> Gadi: oh, I didn't notice the :: in what I copy/pasted but yes it's clearly the issue
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| 11:43 | <johnny> clearly..
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| 11:43 | <Gadi> just pushed the fix
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| 11:43 | please test
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| 11:43 | er, pushing
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| 11:43 | pushed
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| 11:45 | <stgraber> ok, testing
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| 11:52 | <warren> stgraber: seems to work
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| 11:52 | <stgraber> ok, LDM_DIRECTX now works but when closing the session ldm seems to enter some kind of infinite loop
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| 11:52 | <warren> stgraber: which session?
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| 11:54 | <stgraber> standard gnome. It seems to do the openvt, spawn ldm, fail, close and start again
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| 11:54 | might be ltsp-cluster specifc though
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| 11:54 | <warren> I tried only XFCE4
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| 11:54 | <Gadi> maybe the vars RYan uses are still in the environment
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| 11:54 | and need to be unset
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| 11:55 | <warren> did you reboot the client?
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| 11:55 | I just logged out of GNOME just fine
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| 11:56 | Gadi: stgraber: btw, any opinion, should ldm ask if you want to save a chosen Session as default for future logins?
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| 11:56 | <Gadi> thats what gdm would do
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| 11:56 | <warren> Gadi: stgraber: old versions of gdm used to ask, but new gdm does not ask anymore.
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| 11:56 | <stgraber> I think it should, it should also make sure that the session exists
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| 11:56 | <Gadi> oh, really?
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| 11:57 | <stgraber> in my case I had a .dmrc saying KDE, so it tries starting KDE and that failed as I only have gnome :)
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| 11:57 | <warren> with ldm-dialog we can add error messages now
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| 11:57 | stgraber: Gadi: I really don't see much benefit in asking
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| 11:57 | asking also means we have to translate that really long string
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| 11:58 | <Gadi> ah
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| 11:58 | so dont ask
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| 11:58 | that should be fine
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| 11:58 | as long as we document that the session you choose will persist to your next login
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| 11:58 | regardless of what terminal you log in from
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| 11:59 | (users tend to associate experience with machine they use)
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| 11:59 | <warren> Gadi: although if you don't choose one, it wont save .dmrc and it will use your default
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| 12:00 | you can specify a system wide default with LDM_GLOBAL_DMRC
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| 12:00 | <Gadi> right
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| 12:00 | wow - fancy
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| 12:00 | :)
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| 12:00 | <warren> OK, so we are in agreement, don't ask, just save if they chose something.
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| 12:00 | ldm-dialog is still useful to display error messages
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| 12:00 | "Dude, you don't have this session."
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| 12:01 | "Dude, this shit is broken."
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| 12:01 | <stgraber> root@ltsp:~# /usr/share/ltsp/screen.d/ldm
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| 12:01 | /usr/share/ltsp/screen-session.d/XS99-assembleXorgConf: 78: /sbin/lspci: not found
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| 12:01 | <Gadi> personally, the number of users using LTSP who will switch away from their system's provided default desktop are going to be few and far between
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| 12:01 | <warren> stgraber: you dont have /sbin/lspci?
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| 12:01 | <Gadi> better not to ask questions
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| 12:01 | <stgraber> /usr/bin/lspci
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| 12:01 | <warren> Gadi: yeah, but LDM_GLOBAL_DMRC would probably be used by the deployer
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| 12:01 | stgraber: damn, you serious?
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| 12:01 | <stgraber> yeah
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| 12:01 | <warren> that's the stnadard debian/ubuntu location?
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| 12:01 | <Gadi> warren: can you use hal instead of lspci for that hack?
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| 12:02 | <warren> Gadi: hal requires hal to be running, while lspci will always work no matter what
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| 12:02 | <Gadi> like the intel hack?
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| 12:02 | ah
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| 12:02 | <warren> well, if you have the right path...
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| 12:02 | <Gadi> then just call lspci with no path
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| 12:02 | <warren> does it work there?
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| 12:02 | I dunno
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| 12:02 | <Gadi> PATH should be set
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| 12:03 | <warren> let's set our own PATH for lspci just to be safe?
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| 12:03 | <Gadi> (I think)
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| 12:03 | <warren> PATH=/sbin:/usr/bin lspci blahblah
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| 12:03 | <Gadi> ok
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| 12:03 | <warren> stgraber: could you add a PATH for all lspci calls, there are a few
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| 12:03 | <Gadi> just put all the standard bin paths
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| 12:04 | <warren> I need to leave the burrito place now, be back soon.
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| 12:04 | <Gadi> lol
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| 12:04 | <warren> taco music
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| 12:04 | I know
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| 12:04 | <stgraber> ok, found my bug (the real one)
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| 12:04 | <warren> brb
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| 12:04 | <stgraber> http://pastebin.com/m7132c09d
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| 12:04 | Gadi: this one is for you :)
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| 12:05 | <Gadi> oops
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| 12:05 | :)
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| 12:05 | * Gadi investigates | |
| 12:05 | * stgraber is happy not to have asked ogra to do the upload :) | |
| 12:07 | <Gadi> damn
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| 12:08 | stupid last minute change always bites one in the arse
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| 12:08 | <stgraber> http://pastebin.com/f204899db
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| 12:08 | does that looks like a good fix for the lspci one ?
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| 12:10 | <Gadi> 1 sec
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| 12:13 | how do I get bzr to remember a push location?
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| 12:13 | <johnny> hmm.. it always remembers it for me..
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| 12:13 | weird
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| 12:13 | <Gadi> (pushed fix for the above, btw)
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| 12:13 | johnny: its hit or miss for me
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| 12:14 | <stgraber> Gadi: bzr push ... --remember
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| 12:14 | <Gadi> stgraber: I would do: if [ -z "$XSERVER" ] && [ -n "$(PATH=/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin lspci -n |grep 100b:0030)" ]; then
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| 12:14 | no single quotes for PATH
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| 12:14 | and use all the standard bin dirs
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| 12:14 | so, we dont have to do this again
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| 12:14 | :)
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| 12:15 | <stgraber> right
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| 12:15 | <Gadi> lemme know if that fix fixes things
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| 12:15 | it should
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| 12:16 | <Gadi> hola, warren
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| 12:16 | <warren> I'm at the laundromat now
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| 12:16 | the internet here is faster than at home
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| 12:16 | I come here if I need to upload a large file
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| 12:16 | oh yeah, I come here to wash clothes too
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| 12:17 | They are so great here. They have a SINK. And a bathroom.
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| 12:17 | * Gadi understand the connection between internet porn and washing clothes | |
| 12:17 | <Gadi> smart businessman
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| 12:17 | <stgraber> ok, pushed the lspci fix too
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| 12:17 | <warren> stgraber: lets make it not ask anymore, add an error message if your session doesn't exist, then tag again
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| 12:18 | <stgraber> right, I'll just do a quick test with these two patches applied, just in case something else breaks that I haven't seen yet
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| 12:20 | <warren> stgraber: where was the lspci fix pushed?
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| 12:20 | <Gadi> yeah - Im not sure if I need an empty line between xorg.conf sections
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| 12:21 | <stgraber> warren: ltsp-trunk
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| 12:21 | Gadi: I don't think you do
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| 12:22 | <Gadi> red hot chips and coffee! what a rush!
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| 12:31 | <stgraber> Gadi: one more for you http://pastebin.com/m3c18dbc
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| 12:39 | <Gadi> are you sure that updated?
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| 12:39 | oh..
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| 12:39 | crap
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| 12:40 | <warren> more problems?
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| 12:40 | I'll fix the "don't ask" part then
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| 12:41 | <stgraber> warren: yeah, we changed quite a lot of stuff recently ....
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| 12:42 | ok, have to leave for a few minutes (group photo at UDS)
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| 12:44 | <warren> stgraber: oh, how is your schedule during the weekend? I need to talk to you about something else unrelated, but it will take about 30 minutes on the phone.
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| 12:47 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: could you take a look at this?
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| 12:47 | http://pastebot.ltsp.org/138
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| 12:47 | it doesn't seem to be working properly, no logs for allowed/disallowed in ldm.log
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| 12:48 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: it would end up in /var/log/messages
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| 12:49 | _UsUrPeR_: did you specify LOCAL_APPS_WHITELIST="/usr/bin/something /usr/bin/somethingelse" in lts.conf?
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| 12:49 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: oh. does all that look right? I put LOCAL_APPS_WHITELIST="/usr/bin/xterm" in the lts.conf
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| 12:49 | tried to run it..
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| 12:49 | <warren> exactly that worked for me
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| 12:50 | <_UsUrPeR_> hmm
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| 12:50 | * _UsUrPeR_ re-checks everything | |
| 12:50 | <_UsUrPeR_> I put that in the right spot in localappsd though?
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| 12:50 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: let me send you a full file instead of patch
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| 12:50 | I'll make it a little cleaner too
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| 12:50 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: rgr
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| 12:54 | <Lns> ogra: :( I sure wish the common cold had a cure, because then I'd be with you guys right now!
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| 12:56 | <warren> I'm distracted by a fire engine and ambulance outside, smashed cars
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| 12:56 | * warren goes outside | |
| 12:57 | <Lns> warren: sounds like fun!
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| 12:57 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: pics :)
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| 12:58 | <warren> not too fun
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| 12:58 | one car's front is totaled, the other looks like only a cracked bumper
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| 12:59 | <Lns> heh.. seems like that's the case a lot of the time..one car is completely screwed and the other is just like "eh.. "
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| 12:59 | <Lns> crumple zones ftw
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| 13:01 | <_UsUrPeR_> NFS utils does not have to be installed to mount a user's /home/ dir in Fedora 9, right?
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| 13:02 | <warren> btw... we have to be careful about logging too much on the client
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| 13:02 | it will grow and grow and use more RAM
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| 13:02 | _UsUrPeR_: it uses sshfs for that
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| 13:02 | _UsUrPeR_: it should work automatically for GNOME at least
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| 13:04 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: ok, so say it was working, and is no longer. I removed the following to thin up the client: kernel-devel, glibc-headers, kernel-headers, selinux, nfs-utils and m4
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| 13:04 | <warren> what pulled in kernel-devel before? nothing should have...
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| 13:04 | <_UsUrPeR_> nvidia drivers
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| 13:04 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: what selinux packages exactly did you pull in?
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| 13:05 | _UsUrPeR_: err pull out
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| 13:05 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: selinux might break things if you rip it out, even though it is disabled. it is a pretty core library now
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| 13:06 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: selinux-policy, selinux-policy-targeted, selinux-policy-devel, libselinux-devel, libevent, libsepol-devel, policycoreutils
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| 13:06 | warren: bear in mind these were all put on there via yum.
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| 13:06 | and all installed via yum
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| 13:06 | err uninstalled via yum
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| 13:06 | <stgraber> warren: I'll be travelling tomorrow but should be available on Sunday
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| 13:07 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: don't rip out selinux-policy* libevent, policycoreutils
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| 13:07 | _UsUrPeR_: you can probably uninstall everything ending in *-devel if we don't have any bugs...
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| 13:07 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: ok. I'll revert to a backed-up image
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| 13:08 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: grab dkms-nvidia something from rpmfusion
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| 13:08 | _UsUrPeR_: still requires kernel-devel and gcc, but it'll do it real cleanly
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| 13:08 | cleanly as in evil
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| 13:09 | <_UsUrPeR_> I can live with evil
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| 13:11 | <stgraber> Gadi: got a fix for the other screen-session.d bug ?
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| 13:11 | <Lns> That's pretty scary that selinux is considered so 'core' and even if disabled that it is required, given the NSA had their hands all over developing it...
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| 13:12 | <warren> Lns: abject fearmongering
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| 13:12 | Lns: selinux is the only upstream kernel security module framework
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| 13:13 | Lns: any holes in selinux would be a bug
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| 13:13 | Lns: the code is 100% open
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| 13:13 | <Lns> warren: Not fear mongering, concerned OSS citizen. :)
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| 13:13 | <warren> Lns: wiht multiple companies auditing it all the time
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| 13:13 | <Lns> warren: I know the code is open, but there's always the chance of blatant obfuscation to hide things.. I'll shut up though
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| 13:14 | It's good to hear lots of companies are auditing it
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| 13:14 | <warren> Lns: why then are you not worried about encryption algorithms where the NSA supplied the static initialization bits?
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| 13:14 | <Lns> warren: Never said I wasn't. :)
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| 13:15 | <warren> Lns: interestingly, the NSA supplied seemingly random bits to initialize MD5 many years ago. Later it was discovered that the particular bits they gave made it a stronger algorithm.
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| 13:16 | <Lns> warren: That's good to know. Of course, that doesn't mean other parts/divisions of the NSA don't have corrupt motives
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| 13:17 | I'm a skeptic by default so to speak (if you didn't already catch that)
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| 13:17 | <warren> Lns: its part of the NSA's job to protect the integrity of commerce and government security as well
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| 13:17 | <sbalneav> I hear Warren Togami isn't a real person, but actually a life-size anamatronic powered by an N-Dimensional Hypertronic Flux-Capacitor supercomputer that's run by the NSA.
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| 13:17 | That's just a rumour, though.
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| 13:17 | :)
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| 13:18 | <warren> sbalneav: shhhh
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| 13:19 | <sbalneav> Oh, cripes, did I blow your cover?
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| 13:19 | I'm a dead man now.
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| 13:19 | <Lns> warren: heh
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| 13:19 | * sbalneav waits calmly for the bullet in the nexk | |
| 13:19 | <warren> nah, you're out of our jurisdiction
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| 13:19 | <sbalneav> err neck
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| 13:19 | <Gadi> sorry, stgraber
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| 13:19 | was on the phone
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| 13:19 | just pushed it
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| 13:19 | <Lns> I know I probably sound like a conspiracy theorist, but don't forget about http://www.eff.org/issues/nsa-spying . Ever.
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| 13:19 | * Gadi uses i as his index too often | |
| 13:20 | <stgraber> Gadi: good, will test it
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| 13:20 | <warren> They ARE a spy agency.
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| 13:20 | <Gadi> brb
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| 13:20 | <Lns> warren: right. A spy agency that wasn't supposed to spy on its own citizens.
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| 13:21 | <sbalneav> Lns: Well, it's ALWAYS easier to spy on your own citizens. Less travel expenses. I mean, they're right THERE.
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| 13:21 | <Lns> sbalneav: lol.
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| 13:23 | <sbalneav> I'd love to know what CSIS (Canadian spies) have in their dossier about me.
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| 13:23 | <rjune> sbalneav, http://pvpstuff.com/lochca9pa.html <-- think that would be good to give a wife?
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| 13:23 | <Lns> I'm sure it's all just a bunch of stuff you already know personally. :)
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| 13:24 | <sbalneav> rjune: Well, MY wife would just look at me funny, but she's been doing it for 17 years now, so I'm pretty used to it.
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| 13:25 | Lns: Betcha it says "happy go lucky" :)
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| 13:25 | Bon vivant
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| 13:25 | Man about town
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| 13:25 | reconteur
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| 13:26 | Gentleman, scholar, fine judge of whiskey
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| 13:26 | <Lns> hahaha
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| 13:26 | Just count your stars they haven't needed a scapegoat that fit your description yet ;)
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| 13:27 | <sbalneav> And NOT IN ANY WAY associated with selling armenian goats into sex slavery.
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| 13:27 | Oh, with the Rt. Honourable Stephen Harper as Prime Minister, I'm sure my number will come up. :)
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| 13:30 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: http://people.redhat.com/wtogami/temp/ltsp-localappsd
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| 13:30 | _UsUrPeR_: battery dieing, gotta go
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| 13:30 | seem sto owrk, but needs more testing
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| 13:30 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: thank you
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| 13:30 | <warren> might be suitablef or upstream soon
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| 13:30 | poof
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| 13:32 | <Lns> See, the NSA remotely drained warren's batt.. coincidence? ;)
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| 13:36 | <sbalneav> Coinidence... or enemy action?
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| 13:37 | <Lns> we might never know.
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| 13:37 | <sbalneav> KEEP WATCHING THE SKIES, SHEEPLE!!!!!!
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| 13:37 | <Lns> That's no use...their jets are too high and too fast to detect
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| 13:38 | <sbalneav> Speaking of jets
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| 13:38 | I've become enamoured lately with pulse jets
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| 13:38 | <Gadi> wow - I leave for a few mins and the NSA has goats as sex slaves?
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| 13:38 | too weird
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| 13:38 | <sbalneav> Not just goats
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| 13:38 | ARMENIAN goats
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| 13:38 | <stgraber> Gadi: are you sure you fixed the bug ?
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| 13:39 | <Gadi> im pretty sure
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| 13:39 | <stgraber> Gadi: it seems like exactly the same
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| 13:39 | <sbalneav> giggle on youtooobe for pulsejets
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| 13:39 | <Gadi> unless my commits are bad
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| 13:39 | <sbalneav> I gotta get me one of them
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| 13:39 | <Gadi> hmm
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| 13:39 | lemme see
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| 13:39 | <stgraber> http://pastebin.com/m2981fa78
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| 13:40 | <sbalneav> Could you people quit frigging doing useful work? You're interrupting my shiftless frivolity?
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| 13:40 | Geez, can't a guy waste time in PEACE anymore?
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| 13:40 | I tells ya.
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| 13:40 | <rjune> LOL
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| 13:41 | <Gadi> stgraber: can you paste your lts.conf?
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| 13:41 | <rjune> http://failblog.org
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| 13:41 | <stgraber> I can but it won't help :) it's ltsp-cluster but I can paste you the equivalent
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| 13:41 | <sbalneav> They're ignoring me.
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| 13:41 | <snif> Gadi doesn't love me anymore <whaaa>
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| 13:42 | <stgraber> Gadi: http://pastebin.com/m2e9c13f5
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| 13:43 | <sbalneav> rjune: Oooh, I need a "FAIL" stamp for work.
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| 13:43 | <Gadi> crap
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| 13:43 | found another bug
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| 13:43 | pushed
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| 13:44 | <rjune> sbalneav, sounds like Gadi needs a fail stamp too
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| 13:44 | <sbalneav> Gadi *always* gets a "win" stamp from me.
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| 13:45 | <Gadi> economy's bad - I forgot a few $'s in my code
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| 13:45 | <sbalneav> Even if he doesn't love me anymore ;(
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| 13:45 | <Gadi> sbalneav: I'll always love you - despite your armenian goat fetish
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| 13:45 | ... or maybe because of it....
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| 13:47 | <CAN-o-SPAM> I'm starting to get worried about this group ...
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| 13:48 | <sbalneav> CAN-o-SPAM: If you'
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| 13:48 | If you're worried, you haven't drunk enough Aquavit yet.
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| 13:48 | have another.
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| 13:48 | <CAN-o-SPAM> haha apparently
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| 13:49 | <sbalneav> "Relax and enjoy the crisis" --Ashleigh Brilliant
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| 13:49 | <CAN-o-SPAM> somebody drank it all :-O
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| 13:49 | Remember sbalneav, you love America, do you still love it today?
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| 13:49 | <Lns> CAN-o-SPAM: If conspiring about the NSA and selling Armenian goats as sex slaves worries you, you must be ..... THE ENEMY!
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| 13:50 | <CAN-o-SPAM> If your anwser is yes ... you've just won 2 brand new Chevy Suburbans, rated a 1 MPG, thank you GM!
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| 13:50 | <Lns> Wow, the auto bailout worked!
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| 13:50 | They're still in business!
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| 13:51 | Thank you, thank you! What COULD we have done... innovate? Puh-shah.
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| 13:51 | <Gadi> stgraber: still here?
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| 13:51 | <sbalneav> I thought the bailout was a failout?
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| 13:51 | <stgraber> yeah
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| 13:51 | I'm booting my terminal, it crashed in the BIOS and I had to ask someone to get reboot it
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| 13:52 | <sbalneav> Did they pass it?
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| 13:52 | <Lns> sbalneav: They passed something that's allowing them to work more on it, but I don't think it's a definite "yes" yet
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| 13:52 | <Gadi> stgraber: ah ok
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| 13:53 | sorry about that wacky commit two commits back
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| 13:53 | <johnny> i'd like to see the government help the workers find other jobs in related industries..
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| 13:53 | <Gadi> I accidently reverted 1 and recommitted it along with mine
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| 13:53 | <johnny> instead of just bailing them out
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| 13:53 | <Gadi> I was doing too many things at once
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| 13:53 | :(
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| 13:53 | <Lns> johnny: That's way too sensible for our government to consider...
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| 13:54 | <johnny> for example.. making train cars :)
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| 13:54 | <Gadi> train cars? we need flying cars
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| 13:54 | <johnny> lol
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| 13:54 | <Gadi> that run on happiness
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| 13:54 | <Lns> Cars are like PCs with hard drives. Totally redundant. =p
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| 13:54 | <Gadi> :)
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| 13:54 | then, we could watch irate drivers crash and burn
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| 13:55 | <Lns> Gadi: That's everyone though!
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| 13:55 | <Gadi> yeah
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| 13:55 | :)
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| 13:56 | <Gadi> "somethings wrong with my engine" "think happy thoughts"
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| 13:56 | <stgraber> Gadi: seems to have fixed it
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| 13:56 | <sahil_> hey guys how can I enable system administration cababilities from a thin client?
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| 13:56 | <Gadi> stgraber: yeah!
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| 13:56 | can you paste your xorg.conf
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| 13:56 | just for kicks
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| 13:56 | :)
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| 13:56 | <Lns> Hey, I'm thinking of modifying my wiki page re: upgrading chroot to have this too, since I've seen some errors re /dev/pts not mounted.. is this a sane thing to do every time you upgrade? : sudo mount --bind /dev /opt/ltsp/i386/dev
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| 13:57 | <stgraber> oh, my VNC just died
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| 13:58 | <Gadi> sahil_: do you mean the greyed-out Unlock button?
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| 13:58 | <Lns> sahil_: What do you mean specifically by "Administration capabilities" ?
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| 13:58 | <sahil_> Gadi: yes
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| 13:58 | <Gadi> that is a policykit thing
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| 13:58 | with ssh
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| 13:58 | <sahil_> greek to me
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| 13:58 | <Gadi> the default policy is to not allow remote connections to administer
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| 13:59 | <johnny> Lns, that issue is fixed i think
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| 13:59 | <sahil_> just change ssh config?
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| 13:59 | <Gadi> no
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| 13:59 | * Gadi forgets if it is a bug or if it requires a change to policy-kit | |
| 13:59 | <johnny> in recent debian uploads
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| 13:59 | iirc
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| 13:59 | <Lns> johnny: ahh, ok
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| 13:59 | <sahil_> anything i can do about it?
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| 14:00 | <Gadi> sahil_: lemme google it
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| 14:00 | <stgraber> Gadi: http://pastebin.com/m396ef52c
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| 14:01 | <Gadi> u basically are looking for "policy kit" "ssh"
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| 14:01 | stgraber: I am surprised the code prints the sections at all
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| 14:01 | oh
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| 14:01 | no im not
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| 14:01 | its because we actually have hack functions
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| 14:02 | for each
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| 14:02 | hehe
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| 14:02 | nm
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| 14:02 | can you add some params like X_HORZSYNC, etc?
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| 14:02 | (while ur testing)
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| 14:03 | <stgraber> not really no, the BIOS is so broken that it tends to crash and I have to ask someone to go reboot it :(
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| 14:03 | <Gadi> sahil_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/policykit/+bug/221363
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| 14:03 | <stgraber> it's an old DELL Pentium2 ...
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| 14:03 | <Gadi> stgraber: oh, sorry
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| 14:03 | <alex_21> How do I set up a Netvista 2200 following the guide on your wiki won't work
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| 14:03 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: tried it?
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| 14:03 | <alex_21> I can't upgrade it using the info on your wiki. The firmware that is
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| 14:03 | <stgraber> before we tag again, I'll just move the hacks I have in getltscfg-cluster to screen-session.d
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| 14:03 | as they stopped working for obvious reasons
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| 14:05 | hmm, in fact I'll just drop them and then reimplement either in the Ubuntu packaging or do that by ourself
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| 14:05 | because I'd have to check that other distros have the same issue otherwise
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| 14:05 | <alex_21> Well, the guide linke to from the wiki anyway by Robbert W.
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| 14:05 | <warren> stgraber: what issue
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| 14:06 | <stgraber> *issues
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| 14:08 | <stgraber> warren: http://pastebin.com/ma094a62
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| 14:09 | warren: the first VIA is RandR not working so getting 800x600 so VBEModes is needed, second is just an auto-detect issue with openchrome and last one is the screen flickering because the video memory autodetection is broken
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| 14:09 | <warren> stgraber: I'd not include those upstream, they are likely upstream X bugs that should be fixed, and have you tested it with X.org 1.5?
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| 14:09 | stgraber: also VIA driver is undergoing heavy dev now, better to not workaround their owrk
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| 14:09 | <Gadi> please dont ship via hacks by default
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| 14:09 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: not as such yet. Running into other issues :/
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| 14:09 | warren: I'll give that a shot now
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| 14:09 | <Gadi> there are too many drivers named "via" out there
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| 14:09 | <warren> We KNOW the state of geode on GX2 and it wont get fixed anytime soon, so I'm OK with that hack.
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| 14:10 | <Gadi> the Via binary driver works perfectly with xrandr 1.2 if the RANDR12 option is set
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| 14:10 | <stgraber> it's with Intrepid so it's X 1.5
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| 14:10 | Gadi: we're using openchrome, not the binary one
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| 14:10 | <warren> openchrome is under development, let's see where it goes.
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| 14:11 | <stgraber> yeah
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| 14:11 | <Gadi> we are making no choices on that upstream, I hope
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| 14:11 | <warren> stgraber: are those bugs filed to openchrome upstream so they know?
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| 14:11 | Gadi: what do you mean?
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| 14:11 | <stgraber> warren: I think so, would have to check to be sure
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| 14:11 | <Gadi> I mean, upstream LTSP should not force the use of openchrome
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| 14:11 | <warren> Gadi: openchrome was the least crappy of the via forks, and more recently VIA is actually working with the community on the openchrome project
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| 14:11 | Gadi: distros have, not LTSP's job
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| 14:11 | <Gadi> right
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| 14:12 | so LTSP should not include a hack forcing the openchrome driver
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| 14:13 | also, it was only recently that ubuntu called the driver "openchrome"
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| 14:13 | they used to rename it "via"
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| 14:13 | <warren> we replaced via with openchrome back in ... F7
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| 14:14 | <Gadi> I think ubuntu in hardy still renamed openchrome "via"
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| 14:14 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: works just fine. Thank you.
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| 14:14 | <Gadi> (not sure)
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| 14:14 | and VBE modes will screw up widescreen
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| 14:15 | <stgraber> Gadi: they don't, but you need to force the resolution with RandR then
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| 14:16 | <Gadi> stgraber: can you ship those hacks seperately or make them only apply if the detected driver is "openchrome"?
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| 14:17 | unless openchrome becomes phenomenally better or replaces the binary driver, I am sticking with the binary driver
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| 14:17 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: I'm still testing it, but hopefully something like that will go upstream soon
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| 14:17 | <Gadi> and I dont want LTSP hacks to interfere with its operation
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| 14:17 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: again, one-word commands work great for me. This is perfect.
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| 14:18 | <stgraber> Gadi: I guess I'll just add them manually in screen-session.d for our customers
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| 14:18 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: about the $(command) did you ever get that figured out?
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| 14:18 | <warren> Gadi: given that VIA released specs, most of their source and more is coming... and they have Harald working on the open driver and community...
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| 14:18 | <warren> Gadi: there is a good chance VIA will unfuck themselves
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| 14:18 | <stgraber> Gadi: as they may well be fixed in Jaunty. I'm actually working on a backport of Jaunty's LTSP so I don't have Jaunty's X server
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| 14:18 | <Gadi> warren: thats great to hear
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| 14:18 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: I think it is ok, it runs before it even gets to that
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| 14:18 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: cool.
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| 14:19 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: this is VIA's only chance as a company
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| 14:19 | oops
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| 14:19 | Gadi: ^^
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| 14:19 | brb, gotta relog
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| 14:19 | <stgraber> warren, Gadi: anything else to change to ltsp/ldm or can be tag again ?
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| 14:19 | <Gadi> not that I am aware of
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| 14:19 | <warren> stgraber: want to review the whitelist implementation? pretty simple and I think it works, I'm still testing it
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| 14:19 | <Gadi> stgraber: does this mean we finally integrated all of ltsp-cluster?
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| 14:20 | <warren> stgraber: I didn't change the "do not ask" thing yet
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| 14:20 | <stgraber> Gadi: it's been a while ltsp-cluster is integrated (almost a month)
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| 14:20 | <Gadi> well, short of ur hacks
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| 14:20 | <stgraber> warren: do you have a branch or link to the change ?
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| 14:20 | <Q-FUNK> howdy
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| 14:20 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: VIA? I don't like their all-in-1 driver implementation on their chipsets... I'm a Asus man myself
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| 14:20 | <warren> stgraber: I'm just pushing it to trunk, aside from bugs I think it is perfect.
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| 14:21 | stgraber: then we only need to document it
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| 14:21 | <stgraber> warren: ok, I'll have a look
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| 14:21 | <Gadi> stgraber: I will work a bit on the LTSP_APPS_MENU stuff
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| 14:21 | but go ahead and tag this as good
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| 14:21 | * Gadi waves to Q-FUNK | |
| 14:22 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: which is why they are changing
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| 14:22 | <stgraber> Gadi: ok, ogra's plan (and I agree) is to not have a ltsp menu but simply merge them so that if local apps are available they'll just overwrite the current .desktop
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| 14:22 | *override
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| 14:22 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: well, all chips supported by one driver can work well, intel and radeon are pretty good
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| 14:22 | <Gadi> stgraber: have you guys thought about file associations?
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| 14:23 | <stgraber> Gadi: not yet, maybe it'll just work (tm) but I really doubt it
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| 14:23 | <Gadi> it wont
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| 14:23 | :)
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| 14:23 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: I will concede it's been a few years since I have owned a VIA motherboard. I had some blown caps on an old Pentium 3 slot-A motherboard and called it quits :)
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| 14:23 | <stgraber> Gadi: at least putting a firefox.desktop file in .local/share/applications/ will make all the firefox entries in the desktop to magically use the localapp
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| 14:23 | <Gadi> we're heading for confusion with it until it is bulletprrof
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| 14:24 | <stgraber> now I don't know what's needed to do the same with the meta
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| 14:24 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: is there a way to get localappsd to log disallowed attempts for ltsp-localapps to the server instead of the client?
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| 14:24 | <stgraber> *mime
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| 14:24 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: yes, that requires rsyslog redirection, I never tried to get that working on fedora
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| 14:24 | * _UsUrPeR_ is starting to regret removing nfs :| | |
| 14:24 | <stgraber> _UsUrPeR_: default is to use our log function which is either /var/log/ldm.log or syslog and syslog can be remote
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| 14:24 | <warren> Does Debian/Ubuntu use rsyslog? Do you folks redirect client syslog to the server? automatically?
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| 14:25 | <stgraber> with Ubuntu you just have to uncomment a line in /etc/default/syslogd, restart sysklogd on the server and then use LTSP's syslog lts.conf parameter
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| 14:25 | <Gadi> gotta run guys
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| 14:25 | its that time of day
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| 14:25 | good work today!
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| 14:26 | <warren> stgraber: what is the syslog lts.conf parameter?
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| 14:26 | <stgraber> that's a good question :)
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| 14:26 | <manu_ubu> hello
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| 14:26 | <stgraber> SYSLOG or SYSLOG_SERVER I'd sys
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| 14:26 | *say
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| 14:26 | <sbalneav> Hello manu_ubu
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| 14:27 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: it should theoretically work on fedora, you need to edit rsyslog settings on the server to allow the network syslog from certain hosts, then enable the lts.cof parameter for the client
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| 14:27 | <stgraber> SYSLOG_HOST
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| 14:27 | ltsp-trunk/client/initscripts/ltsp-setup: if [ -z "$SYSLOG" ] || [ "$SYSLOG" = "remote" ]; then
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| 14:27 | ltsp-trunk/client/initscripts/ltsp-setup:*.* @${SYSLOG_HOST:-$SERVER}
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| 14:27 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: if you figure it out let me know what you did, I could possibly make it more obvious in docs
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| 14:27 | stgraber: pushed, please review, I'm adding docs
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| 14:28 | <alex_21> How do I set up a Netvista 2200 following the guide on your wiki won't work. I can't upgrade it using the info on your wiki. The firmware that is. Well, the guide linke to from the wiki anyway by Robbert W.
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| 14:30 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: I'll check it out
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| 14:30 | <manu_ubu> have you testing the new thin client at Dell's FX160 on ltsp server ?
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| 14:30 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: still, works great
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| 14:31 | <sbalneav> alex_21: what doesn't work about the wiki?
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| 14:32 | alex_21: Are you looking at: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/NetVistaN2200
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| 14:32 | <alex_21> The guide posted to it. I followed it, and it linked to another article that shows how to upgrade using ltsp, and it fails every time
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| 14:32 | <stgraber> warren: won't that log a "Rejecting ..." for each command in the whitelist until the one you actually run is found ?
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| 14:33 | * warren checks | |
| 14:33 | <alex_21> Yes,
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| 14:33 | <sbalneav> alex_21: soooo.... HOW does it fail?
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| 14:33 | <warren> stgraber: only if the command given is not in the whitelist it will log reject?
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| 14:34 | <alex_21> It is linked to that site for upgrading the client to be able to boot Linux, and that is what fails
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| 14:34 | <alex_21> It won'at let me upgrade the thing
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| 14:34 | <stgraber> warren: if you have 10 commands in your whitelist and the command you want to run is the 100th, it'll display the rejecting message 99 time right ?
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| 14:34 | *100 commands
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| 14:35 | <warren> crap
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| 14:35 | stgraber: ok, fixing
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| 14:35 | <sbalneav> alex_21: I say again: HOW does it fail? Does it give an error message? Does the box smoke? Explode? What? We need a bit more info to help you. Probably none of us here HAVE one, so you're going to have to help us help you.
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| 14:37 | <openstep> hi
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| 14:37 | anyone here
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| 14:38 | <sbalneav> Nope
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| 14:38 | <alex_21> The box loads and then stops saying failed to boot after three attempts
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| 14:38 | <polytan> hi guys
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| 14:38 | <openstep> hi
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| 14:38 | <alex_21> I can't get to the logsas I am totally blind and can't read them
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| 14:38 | <openstep> may I interreupt you guys a bit?
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| 14:39 | <johnny> openstep, ask your question
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| 14:39 | <alex_21> I mean the logs on the NV2200
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| 14:39 | <sbalneav> alex_21: OK, so you're up to step 3 on the guide there? You've rebuilt the kernel?
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| 14:39 | <openstep> I am deploying an LTSp setup in a high scohool
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| 14:40 | and the clients are various old pcs
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| 14:40 | problem is that some can not boot off the motherboard
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| 14:40 | <sbalneav> alex_21: You, personally, are blind?
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| 14:40 | <johnny> openstep, ?
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| 14:40 | <openstep> I would like to boot off the hdd, but....
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| 14:40 | <johnny> openstep, either you need nics with boot roms on them
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| 14:41 | OR use a floppy/cd/usb key with gpxe or rom-o-matic on them
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| 14:41 | <openstep> all driver etherboot image isn't booting
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| 14:41 | <rjune> openstep, boot from the motherboard? or can't boot from certain devices?
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| 14:41 | <sbalneav> openstep: You can either get some cheap nics that do boot, or, ise something like gPXE
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| 14:41 | !gpxe
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| 14:41 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "gpxe" is the successor to etherboot. You can find it at: http://etherboot.org/wiki/index.php
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| 14:41 | <manu_ubu> nobody have testing the Dell 's FX160 or other thin client with intel atom processor ?
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| 14:42 | <openstep> I found it, I could buidl the floppy image but doesn't seem to work for me to install is on the hdd
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| 14:42 | <alex_21> The kernal is the one that the first article had for download
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| 14:43 | And yes, I personally am blind
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| 14:43 | <openstep> anyone here had success using the alldrivers etherboot stuff?
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| 14:43 | <alex_21> Nope
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| 14:43 | <sbalneav> alex_21: Well, robert W's article is out of date, I think the fellow who did the main wiki page has a kernel of his own up there.
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| 14:44 | <alex_21> I used that kernel that Steve wrote
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| 14:44 | Steve is the guy who wrote the first article I think
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| 14:45 | <alex_21> The problem is upgrading BIOS first of all
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| 14:45 | <sbalneav> But how many of these netvista's do you have? My impression of them is that, unless you're forced to use them, you're better off with something that actually works. Netvistas are a pain to handle.
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| 14:45 | <alex_21> Robbert's page shows how to do it, but it fails
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| 14:45 | <stgraber> warren: going for some food now. Other than that "the log will be flooded" thing, the code looks good so I think we can tag+release again
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| 14:46 | <alex_21> Two of them, with a possibility to go to eight
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| 14:46 | <warren> stgraber: I need to leave soon too, I'll push something, you can review later and tag if you wish
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| 14:46 | <alex_21> The problem is the size is right for them
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| 14:46 | <warren> I wont build until tomorrow probably
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| 14:46 | <openstep> sbalneav: if I get some nics, the motherboard still has to have the ability to support LAN booting, right?
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| 14:46 | so getting the right nic isn't enough
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| 14:46 | <sbalneav> openstep: No, the lan booting can happen from the card.
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| 14:47 | if you get something like the Intel E100 cards, they boot fine.
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| 14:47 | <alex_21> But how can the lan booting happen from the card if the motherboard doesn't tell it to boot
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| 14:47 | <openstep> so they show up in the bios?
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| 14:47 | <alex_21> ?
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| 14:47 | <johnny> openstep, no
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| 14:47 | the card has it's own bios
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| 14:47 | <sbalneav> alex_21: the boot rom's on the card
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| 14:47 | the cpu just reads that.
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| 14:47 | <johnny> same way scsi boot works
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| 14:47 | <openstep> aha
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| 14:47 | <johnny> on machines that don't have onboard scsi
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| 14:48 | or similiar that is
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| 14:48 | <alex_21> Oh, then there is hpe for one of my older clients
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| 14:48 | <sbalneav> alex_21: Well, not sure what to tell you for the netvistas
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| 14:48 | <openstep> so if I get some Intel E100 cards any pc can boot off the net?
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| 14:48 | <johnny> should be ues
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| 14:48 | yes*
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| 14:48 | <openstep> good news
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| 14:48 | <sbalneav> if the bios upgrade fails, maybe IBM changed something with the bios so it doesn't update with his bios he provides.
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| 14:49 | I'd recomment something from disklessworkstations.com
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| 14:49 | <alex_21> I don't know, it doesn' seem to see the server
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| 14:49 | <sbalneav> if you're going to be buying
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| 14:49 | <alex_21> Maybe my bios are too old and I'll have to edit them manually
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| 14:49 | <sbalneav> they work with LTSP right out of the box, and the company actively supports LTSP development.
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| 14:49 | <openstep> well I was just going to boot off the HDD for now
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| 14:50 | <sbalneav> brb, workping
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| 14:50 | <openstep> but I spent the whole day without success
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| 14:50 | <johnny> i just used the floppy method
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| 14:50 | <openstep> I can boot off the cdrom, or floppy
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| 14:50 | but installing it to a hdd was the problem
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| 14:50 | <johnny> i taped up the floppy drive to stop users from messing with it
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| 14:50 | and taking out the floppy
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| 14:50 | <openstep> same problem here
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| 14:51 | <alex_21> How do you know if a card is etherbootable?
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| 14:51 | <johnny> alex_21, they should say that they include pxe boot room
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| 14:51 | usually cards that don't have an empty socket where the boot rom chip goes
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| 14:51 | <openstep> but floppies so sensitive
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| 14:51 | <alex_21> But just by looking at them?
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| 14:51 | ?
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| 14:51 | <johnny> well when you buy a card, it should mention it in the specs
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| 14:51 | <alex_21> And the floppy problem, I mount it instead of an hdd in an internal bay
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| 14:52 | <openstep> have you seen this: http://etherboot.anadex.de/ ?
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| 14:52 | <alex_21> That way users don't mess with it
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| 14:52 | <johnny> alex_21, taping was good enough for me :)
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| 14:52 | hehe
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| 14:53 | <openstep> I have done all the steps but doesn't boot from the hdd
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| 14:53 | <alex_21> Oh
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| 14:53 | <johnny> so i didn't have to open em up :)
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| 14:53 | <openstep> that is my plan B
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| 14:54 | <alex_21> Well, about my cards, I can't tell if they support etherboot because I got them second hand
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| 14:54 | The computer they came from did support it though
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| 14:54 | <warren> stgraber: ok... I'm going to work more on cleaning up the error handling with ldm-dialog messages and removing the 'ask', but those are not critical. If you need to tag go ahead.
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| 14:54 | <johnny> well.. i don't think the os exposes whether they have a boot rom
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| 14:54 | <warren> stgraber: oh crap, I need to tag now...
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| 14:54 | haha
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| 14:54 | ok
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| 14:54 | tagging both
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| 14:54 | * johnny tags warren | |
| 14:54 | <johnny> you're it!
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| 14:54 | <sbalneav> back
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| 14:55 | <alex_21> So I have no idea what to do as I need them runing by Christmas
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| 14:55 | Both the NV2200s and the older PCs
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| 14:56 | That I am not sure have netboot
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| 14:57 | <sbalneav> Well, if you use the "universal boot floppy", unless the card is really old, they should work.
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| 14:57 | !bootfloppy
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| 14:57 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "bootfloppy" is http://etherboot.anadex.de or ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/Universal_boot_floppy
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| 14:57 | <alex_21> How do I now about etherboot, is there a tactile indication on them?
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| 14:58 | <sbalneav> Well, you need to know about what kind of card they are.
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| 14:58 | <openstep> sbalneav:: true
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| 14:58 | it works
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| 14:58 | but... installing it to a hdd is my problem
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| 14:58 | it has a menu to do so
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| 14:58 | but after installation, it hangs
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| 14:58 | <sbalneav> If they've got a rom socket, you could burn a rom, but unless you've got an eprom-burner handy, that's probably not an option.
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| 14:59 | where does it hang?
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| 14:59 | on booting the kernel, or does it get up the the login prompt?
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| 14:59 | <alex_21> What does a rom socet look like?
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| 14:59 | Socket, sorry
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| 15:00 | <openstep> sbalneav: it doesn't start the boot process
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| 15:00 | <alkisg> openstep: maybe you didn't install it correctly (e.g. missing mbr / boot sector or something). What file system do you have on the hard disk?
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| 15:00 | <sbalneav> alex_21: do you have access to an eprom burner?
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| 15:00 | <openstep> it seems as there is a problem right in the first line
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| 15:00 | <sbalneav> openstep: You're using the floppy?
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| 15:01 | How did you create the floppy?
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| 15:01 | <alex_21> No, I am just wondering if this thing has a rom socket on it
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| 15:01 | <openstep> sbalneav: the floppy is ok, booted with it
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| 15:01 | <sbalneav> alex_21: It's a square of plastic that would have holes for chip pins to slide into.
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| 15:02 | openstep: ok, so how far does it get? Does it lease an IP address?
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| 15:02 | <openstep> then I opted for installing it to an average hdd
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| 15:02 | <alex_21> I have this round thing that looks like a metal tube pertuding from my card. Whatis that?
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| 15:02 | <sbalneav> openstep: just try booting directly, without installing to the hdd
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| 15:02 | <openstep> sbalneav: I did that
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| 15:02 | it is working
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| 15:03 | off the floppy
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| 15:03 | <alkisg> alex_21: something like this: http://z88.wiki.sourceforge.net/space/showimage/1MZ_rom.jpg
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| 15:03 | <alex_21> Then use my suggestion about where to mount the floppy drive
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| 15:03 | <sbalneav> ok, so problem solved: boot off the floppy :)
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| 15:03 | <alkisg> (not from a NIC, though...)
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| 15:03 | <openstep> sbalneav: :)
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| 15:03 | <alex_21> No idea, I am blind
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| 15:03 | <sbalneav> alex_21: Probably a crystal for the clock
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| 15:04 | <openstep> has anyone here tried booting off the hdd?
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| 15:04 | <alkisg> openstep, do you have any partitions on your hard disk? What size is it?
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| 15:04 | <alex_21> On the outside, like right beside the ethernet jack?
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| 15:04 | <sbalneav> openstep: is there a reason WHY you can't jut boot off the floppy?
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| 15:04 | <alkisg> openstep, I did boot from a windows 98, 2000, xp, vista, linux hdd.
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| 15:04 | <sbalneav> alex_21: then maybe it's a BNC connector for thinnet
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| 15:05 | <alex_21> Thinnet?
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| 15:05 | <sbalneav> yeah, thin net
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| 15:05 | <openstep> hdd's are safer then floppies
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| 15:05 | <alex_21> What is thinnet?
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| 15:05 | <sbalneav> 10 base 2
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| 15:05 | <openstep> but ok,
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| 15:06 | <alex_21> Ok, is that even used anymore?
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| 15:06 | <openstep> alkisg: howw did you boot off 98, 2000, xp,....?
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| 15:06 | <alkisg> openstep: first try with anadex, then I moved to gpxe & grub4dos.
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| 15:06 | <sbalneav> openstep: how are hdd's safer than floppies? If you're worried about someone removing the floppy, just bolt it into a hard drive bay, and cover up the hole with a plug.
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| 15:06 | <alkisg> openstep: for linux, just gpxe.krn is enough, you load it with plain old grub
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| 15:06 | <alex_21> That is what I suggested
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| 15:07 | <sbalneav> alex_21: Some people still use it, but unless you're wired for coax, I'm willing to wager no.
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| 15:07 | <openstep> thanks gusy
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| 15:07 | guys,
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| 15:07 | <sbalneav> openstep: no problem
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| 15:07 | <alkisg> openstep, I have the files for the hdd if you like
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| 15:08 | <openstep> one more
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| 15:08 | how to boot off from win95 or xp for instance?
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| 15:08 | <alex_21> Yeah, whell then, no, but that card came from a Windows 98 box. It doesn't have a boot rom then?
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| 15:09 | <alkisg> openstep: http://grub4dos.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Grub4dos_tutorial
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| 15:09 | <sbalneav> alex_21: Without knowing WHAT kind of card it it, I have no idea
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| 15:09 | <alkisg> and you just put gpxe.krn (from etherboot) in menu.lst
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| 15:09 | <sbalneav> it may, it may not.
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| 15:10 | <openstep> thx
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| 15:11 | <alex_21> I give up. My job is too hard
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| 15:11 | I mean installing bios by hand and the like. I can't even make a floppy as I don't have a floppy drive handy
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| 15:12 | <rjune> alex_21, I'll take it
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| 15:12 | what does it pay?
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| 15:12 | <alex_21> Some
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| 15:12 | But most is working out satilight points
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| 15:13 | I mean doing things over ssh and the like
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| 15:13 | <openstep> bye
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| 15:13 | <sbalneav> bye
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| 15:13 | <warren> sbalneav: I think I'm going to re-engineer ltsp-trunk to split it into functional components
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| 15:13 | <alex_21> Bye Openstep
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| 15:13 | <warren> sbalneav: large chunks of it are useful for other projects
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| 15:14 | <sbalneav> warren: I have no objections personally.
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| 15:14 | <alex_21> And it is more non-paying until our first labe gets set up
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| 15:14 | <sbalneav> I haven't done much for the last 3 or 4 weeks other than docs.
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| 15:14 | <warren> I will figure out how to delineate it, and gradually change it in such a way that doesn't break LTSP packaging.
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| 15:15 | <sbalneav> alex_21: I still am not sure: do you have a budget for this lab?
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| 15:15 | If so, buying thin clients that work will save you a LOT of grief
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| 15:15 | <alex_21> We rely on donated stuff and a small budget
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| 15:16 | <sbalneav> If all you've got is donated stuff, then updating bios' a fiddling with outdated hardware is going to be something you'll have to deal with.
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| 15:16 | <alex_21> We need to have low maintenance, low cost machines, size only a prblem because of transportation
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| 15:17 | So, the bios I am ok with updating, just the fact that I havee no floppy handy is a problem
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| 15:18 | Floppy drive handy, sorry
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| 15:18 | <warren> donated stuff tends to require more maintenance
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| 15:18 | unfortunately
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| 15:18 | <alex_21> What a shame, because this lab is so crucial, but I can't get fund raising it seems
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| 15:19 | <warren> where is the lab? what is it for?
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| 15:19 | <alex_21> I mean, I don't kow the ins and outs of fund raising
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| 15:21 | <alex_21> The labs project that we coordinate is for VIPS Visually Impaired Persons. It teahes people who wouuld otherwise only know Braille and not be able to get a job otherwise how to use a computer so that they will integrate into main stream jobs and life in general
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| 15:21 | As for where, our first site is mazatlan, Mexico
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| 15:24 | I've already talked to a family of a student down there personally, so know the situation
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| 15:27 | First I am seting up a mall environment at home to deal with the set up of a lab as well as home security
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| 15:27 | But then I will use all the budget for the lab, nothing for my home project will come out of the budget
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| 15:28 | Once familiar with te setting up of a lab I will set up the first lab, and I hope to set up more in other places
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| 15:32 | <polytan> johnny, hi
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| 15:32 | did I say that ldm started ?
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| 15:32 | I couldn't have my keyboard in french with lts.conf
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| 15:33 | but since I did a xorg.xonf (didn't say to use it, let ldm work by itself) I had it in french
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| 15:33 | so, I wasn't able to specify LOCALDEV=True and use the USB
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| 15:51 | <alex_21> Sorry, no idea. I had mine stuck on French because that was the default on the server
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| 15:52 | Changing that changed the keyboards on the thin clients too
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| 16:09 | <stgraber> warren: ok, I'll update my package with the new upstream. Thanks for tagging.
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| 16:27 | <alex_21> Hey, brought up a clien that works stand alone, but I brought it up under LTSP, and no sound
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| 16:28 | What can I do?
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| 16:52 | <alex_21> Hey, brought up a clien that works stand alone, but I brought it up under LTSP, and no sound
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| 17:12 | <polytan> good night
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| 17:21 | <alex_21> Hey, brought up a clien that works stand alone, but I brought it up under LTSP, and no sound
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| 18:25 | <vagrantc> amazing how much housework i got done without internet access all day :)
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| 18:25 | time to upload ltspfs...
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| 18:43 | * ogra_ whacks vagrantc ... | |
| 18:43 | * ogra_ just begged the archive admins to sync the latest ltspfs from debian ... which was done 1min ago | |
| 18:45 | <vagrantc> ogra_: *sigh*
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| 18:46 | ogra_: stgraber said it would be auto-synced from then on...
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| 18:46 | <ogra_> not from experimental
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| 18:46 | <vagrantc> i said i was planning on another upload shortly...
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| 18:46 | <ogra_> well, no damage done ...
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| 18:46 | <vagrantc> it's a relatively small change.
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| 18:46 | <stgraber> yeah, I'll just file another sync request, it's easy to do :)
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| 18:46 | <vagrantc> but causes localdevices not to work in some corner cases
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| 18:47 | <ogra_> dont put the cases into the corner then :P
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| 18:47 | <stgraber> what I wanted to do is to get rid of the debian<=>ubuntu delta, so now that's done.
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| 18:47 | next syncs will be extremely easy as I won't even have to look at the debian/ directory :)
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| 18:47 | <vagrantc> i even merged y'all's changelog entries :)
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| 18:47 | <ogra_> geez
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| 18:48 | your're developing a texan accent ?
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| 18:48 | * ogra_ imagines vagrantc with cowboy hat | |
| 18:48 | * vagrantc has been saying y'all back when tejas was still part of mexico | |
| 18:49 | <ogra_> heh
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| 18:53 | <vagrantc> tested good... uploading...
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| 18:54 | i've actually (mostly) deployed LDM at freegeek finally!
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| 18:54 | and of course, it revealed a few minor bugs ... but overall, seems to be working
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| 18:55 | * vagrantc still has no idea what's messing up the AUTO/GUEST/TIMED logins with LDM_USERNAME set ... | |
| 18:56 | <vagrantc> stgraber: looks like you're working on ltsp 5.1.38 and ldm 2.0.23 ?
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| 18:56 | <stgraber> already uploaded to Ubuntu
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| 18:56 | <ogra_> just uploaded :)
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| 18:56 | <vagrantc> ok.
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| 18:57 | since there's no upstream location, i've set up a debian/watch file that polls ubuntu and fedora for new upstream versions ... when other distros give me a useable URL, i can check them, too.
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| 18:57 | <ogra_> heh
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| 18:58 | we should do that too ...
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| 18:58 | <vagrantc> although i suppose ubuntu will be going to bzr?
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| 18:58 | * stgraber goes do the same for Ubuntu | |
| 18:58 | <ogra_> would make a funny rotating system
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| 18:58 | we'll likely have to
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| 18:59 | <vagrantc> i should actually also poll debian, now that i think of it, so for packages like ltspfs, you'll easily see newer upstream versions
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| 18:59 | <ogra_> one way or the other source packages will vanish in ubuntu
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| 18:59 | <vagrantc> as long as i can get a URL pointing to your latest upstream version, i should be fine... the URLs you posted to the bzr stuff before looked like they'd work.
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| 19:00 | though i'm not entirely positive uscan handles multiple URLs for sources
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| 19:01 | <vagrantc> from the commandline it seems to do the right thing... but not sure about some of debian's infrastructure: http://dehs.alioth.debian.org/report.php?package=ldm
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| 19:01 | i'm pretty sure fedora had a newer version, but it picked ubuntu's version
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| 19:04 | <rjune_> ogra_: howdy
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| 19:06 | <rjune_> man, I show up and the room goes silent
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| 19:37 | <alex_21> Hey, brought up a clien whos sound works stand alone, but I brought it up under LTSP, and no sound
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| 19:38 | <nubae> alex_21: should just work....
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| 19:40 | <alex_21> nudae; well it does not work.
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| 19:43 | <alex_21> anyone?
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| 19:44 | <nubae> u left explain u're problem again
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| 19:45 | <alex_21> Anyone?
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| 19:48 | <alex_21> Sorry got disconnected. It won't work, I mean no sound when I boot
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| 19:49 | <nubae> alex_21: u have a nomral thin client? not localapps or fatclient?
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| 19:51 | <alex_21> nubae; fatclient
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| 19:55 | <nubae> ok do this: add to /etc/pulse/client.conf
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| 19:55 | default_server=127.0.0.1
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| 20:08 | <Ryan52> warren, my todo list only has error checking and taking out the question asking code, right? or was there something else? /me is writing out his todo list
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| 20:09 | everytime I close emacs for some reason I forget to open my TODO file again, and then I stop using for a while :p
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| 20:13 | <rjune_> ogra_: g/[knz+pt
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| 20:13 | ++++++++++++++++
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| 20:14 | <Ryan52> rjune_, qqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq--------alksdjAf :p
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| 20:15 | * Ryan52 will work on ldm stuff sunday | |
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| 20:18 | <rjune_> ';[[[[[
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| 20:18 | yy
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| 20:18 | <cliebow_> cat??
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| 20:18 | <Ryan52> dog??
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| 20:18 | <cliebow_> parrot?
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| 20:19 | <cliebow_> usually the arrots just rip the keys off wiyhout presing them..
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| 20:19 | <Ryan52> really? weird.
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| 20:20 | <cliebow_> heh..lost several keyboards that way
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| 20:20 | <Ryan52> cliebow_, you have a parrot?
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| 20:20 | <cliebow_> six..
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| 20:20 | <Ryan52> woah! :)
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| 20:20 | <cliebow_> plus sitting another two this weekend
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| 20:21 | <cliebow_> my wife doesnt just get "a" dog..or cat..or birds..or fish
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| 20:21 | <Ryan52> lol
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| 20:22 | <nubae> but maynbe cat.and.dog
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| 20:36 | <rjune_> cliebow_: toddler and kid
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| 20:36 | gah, toddler and cat
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| 21:12 | <alex_21> I added default server = 127.0.1 to the file /etc/pulse/client.conf
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| 21:12 | Now what do I do for the changes to take effect
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| 21:12 | ?
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