IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 28 March 2007   (all times are UTC)

00:01
<vagrantc>
before LDM can be localized, it needs to be internationalized...
00:03
i.e. it has no support for translations
00:03
<japerry>
hmm got ESD to work, but man ALSA support is sketchy at best
00:04
the documentation has you download and install the esd-alsa patch
00:04
<sbalneav>
Yep, sound in terminals is a challenge.
00:04
<japerry>
but it does nothing
00:04
and the addendums are already in rc.sound... but alsa is not found :-(
00:05
<sbalneav>
Too many programs write to /dev/dsp, or use one of the local libs, like alsa, or OSS, rather than use a network aware sound stack, like gstreamer.
00:05
<japerry>
right, gstreaming seems to work just fine
00:05
but I cannot find any more troubleshooting/docs on alsa
00:05
specifically where to get alsa on the server to route through esd
00:06
<sbalneav>
LTSP 5 is using a mixture of Pulseaudio, and a "fake" alsa sound card to over come this. But really, what needs to happen is to educate projects about the need to use a proper sound stack.
00:06
<japerry>
hmm I'd be tempted to try LTSP5 but haven't seen much documentation on it and SUSE Enterprise Linux Desktop 10
00:08
<vagrantc>
!tarball
00:08
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "tarball" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5TarballInstructions
00:09
<vagrantc>
japerry: that's because SUSE hasn't been real quick on adopting LTSP5 ... you basically have to grab an ubuntu or debian tarball
00:11
<sbalneav>
Really, ltsp5 on SUSE should be built using SUSE bits.
00:11
<japerry>
yah, and I'm in need of a production LTSP server
00:11
hopefully with sound that works through flash
00:11
<sbalneav>
So, if you're in with the SUSE developers, have them drop us a line, we'd love to get 'em involved.
00:11
<japerry>
heh sadly not, we
00:12
we're a company implimenting SuSE because it works well with the existing novell arch
00:12
but hmm I'll see what I can do with the LTSP 5 tarbar for suse..
00:14
<sbalneav>
Well, time for bed for me.
00:14
Night all
00:14
Ciao, vagrantc!
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01:10
<qwerty>
hi
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03:55
<juanmabc>
hello, can the terminal server act like an X server? so I could write apps that connect to the server and print something on the screen, or this is another kind of server
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06:42
<iMav>
howdy. Looking to run LTSP on ubuntu (or an ubuntu-variant). Is this howto still the way to go? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ThinClientHowto (or, would it be better to go the kubuntu route?)
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07:04
<iMav>
yikes! Doesn't get any easier than this. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
07:13
<ogra>
iMav, it will get easier, be sure :)
07:13
one day we'll ave this: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/LTSPManager/
07:15
<iMav>
ogra: Looks pretty useful.
07:17
<ogra>
it will be ... one day it does more than look pretty :)
07:18
<iMav>
Do you need to have a separate LTSP server for each thin client architecture you need to support? This page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPCrossArchSetup seems pretty straight forward...but I'm not sure what needs to be done to have several boot environments available (and how to get the clients to select their proper one automatically).
07:18
<ogra>
thats a matter of setting up the dhcp config right
07:19
you can server all kind of arches you like but will need decent dhcp knowledger to make up all the rules to match the right arches... wiki.ltsp.org has many hints
07:20
<iMav>
ok, I gotcha there.
07:21
It would be easy enough to just assign static leases based on MAC and provide the relavent parameters for that arch's environment.
07:21
<ogra>
right, something like that ...
07:21
but you get a huge dhcpd.conf in big environments :)
07:22
hard to maintain etc
07:24
<iMav>
yeah, this won't be that big of an environment...but I see your point. But, on the server side should be as easy as bulding the separate client environments in their own directories ("/opt/ltsp-sparc", "/opt/ltsp-ppc", etc). Just mount those to "/opt/ltsp" on the client when using "ltsp-build-client" and that should do the trick, eh?
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07:27
<iMav>
on a somewhat related note...as far as new hardware. Any recommendations on small footprint, fanless setups for the thin clients? (I assume a C3, fanless, mini-ITX board would work well...more just wondering if you know of any good deals on new hardware that seems to be well suited as a thin client)
07:28
<qwerty>
hi ! can anyone tell my why i cant override the values of [Default] in lts.conf ?
07:29
for example: i want to override XkbLayout clientspecific
07:30
<iMav>
are you not able to edit the file? Or are your changes ignored?
07:33
<qwerty>
iam able to change but it has no effect
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07:41
<jammcq>
g'morning
07:45
<ogra>
iMav, i like to use and recommend the stuff from disklessworkstations.com if it come to HW usually
07:45
<jammcq>
me too :)
07:45
<iMav>
ahhh. I was looking at something like this: http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/store/Mini_ITX_Systems/Diskless_Mini_ITX_System (I'll check out disklessworkstations.com as well)
07:47
<jammcq>
ogra: i'm doing some much more accurate timing tests of some workstations this morning
07:47
and i'm wondering how hard it would be to build a custom kernel for ubuntu/ltsp-5
07:48
<iMav>
Looks like some good stuff at disklessworkstations.com . Thanks for the tip.
07:48
<ogra>
jammcq, not to hard if you follow the howto on the wiki
07:49
<jammcq>
ogra: is it an ltsp specific thing? or just general kernel building?
07:49
<ogra>
you take the kernel package source, tell it to only buid for one arch, copy the config, make your changes and let it build a .deb
07:49
thats it
07:49
<jammcq>
hmm
07:50
is the config a .config file?
07:50
<qwerty>
[Default]
07:50
XkbLayout = us
07:50
[ws101]
07:50
XkbLayout = de
07:50
whats wrong here ? is this kind of configuration not allowed ?
07:50
<ogra>
your capitalization is wrong
07:51
<qwerty>
where ?
07:51
<ogra>
jammcq, its in /boot on every ubuntu system (even in the client chroot)
07:52
<jammcq>
yeah, just wanted to make sure you meant the 'kernel config file'
07:52
and not some special ubuntu thing
07:52
<ogra>
i think the kernel even has a command "make oldconfig" or something
07:52
its ages ago that i built my last kernel, i like to leave that to the kerne team ;)
07:53
but the kernel isnt your problem ... if i switch ff splash and quiet i see the kerel being loaded extremly fast .... the initscripts are the slow factor
07:54
<jammcq>
capitalization doesn't matter for the keywords in lts.conf
07:54
<ogra>
sure it does
07:54
at least in ltsp5
07:54
<jammcq>
ogra: the kernel is still a problem
07:54
ogra: you using getltscfg ?
07:54
<qwerty>
sry i forgot to say that iam using ltsp 4.2
07:54
<jammcq>
getltscfg has this:
07:54
<qwerty>
prior versions to 5.2 have the same bevaior
07:55
<ogra>
jammcq, indeed, but the initscripts match on certain values ....
07:55
<jammcq>
if(strcasecmp(curtuple->keyword,pOptionName) == 0){
07:55
if(strcasecmp(curtuple->value,"NONE") != 0){
07:55
printf("%s\n", curtuple->value);
07:55
}
07:55
fFound = TRUE;
07:55
}
07:55
<ogra>
thats why we have so much documentation fr lts.conf
07:55
<jammcq>
notice 'strcasecmp()
07:55
<ogra>
right, but if you want that in a script it will quickly bloat
07:56
<jammcq>
ogra: ltsp-5 is using a script, instead of the C program ?
07:56
<ogra>
ltsp client *is* and initscript ... reading the variables we get from lts.conf
07:56
(apart from being a collection of packages thats what makes ltsp-client)
07:57
<qwerty>
i can type it like i want - its the same
07:57
<jammcq>
heh, and I was wondering why things were slow....... I guess now I know
07:57
<qwerty>
i read years ago lts.conf is buggy with this
07:57
<jammcq>
qwerty: what you have should work fine, as long as your client knows its own hostname
07:57
<ogra>
getltscfg might not care ...
07:58
if [ -n "$XKBLAYOUT" ]; then
07:58
preseed $xserver_package/config/inputdevice/keyboard/layout "$XKBLAYOUT"
07:58
fi
07:58
but the initscript surely does
07:58
preseed was completely rewritten for feisty and should be speedy for the X config generation now
07:58
<jammcq>
qwerty: ogra getltscfg outputs the keyword in upper case
07:59
<qwerty>
jammcq: youre right, in console "hostname" return (none)
07:59
<ogra>
getltscfg sets a env variable from it, at least for me
07:59
thats what we read
07:59
<jammcq>
so, if you have xkblayout = en, when you call getltscfg, it spits out: XKBLAYOUT=en
07:59
<ogra>
this is still mdz's oriignal code
07:59
no
07:59
xkblayout = en gives xkblayout = en afaik
07:59
got no client around to test that
08:00
<jammcq>
at a cmdline on the client
08:02
ogra: ok, back to my speed tests. During the boot, the kernel outputs lots of messages that start with a timestamp.
08:02
<qwerty>
ok thank you ill test
08:02
<jammcq>
on the e2300, the last of those messages I see says something like:
08:02
<ogra>
jammcq, yes
08:02
oh, wait
08:02
<qwerty>
"w" return a TTY @ ws101:0
08:02
<ogra>
heh
08:02
<jammcq>
[ 80.9660 ] PC Speaker as /dev/input/......
08:03
<ogra>
your hwclock is extremly off
08:03
thats 01.01.1970 ....
08:03
80 minutes past 00:00
08:03
<jammcq>
no, that's 80 seconds
08:03
<ogra>
i've see this before
08:03
err, indeed
08:03
<jammcq>
and according to my stopwatch, it's pretty close to actual time
08:03
<ogra>
no
08:04
the problme is that after the kernel is loaded all timestamps are broken everywhere (the system lives in the future)
08:04* Gadi puts money down on Schnoop - "King of Thin Clients" -- GOOOO SCHNOOOOOP!
08:04
<jammcq>
on the T-1220, I see the same PC Speaker message at 23. something
08:04
<ogra>
i had the same prob on a compaq evo T20 client once , it took hours to boot
08:05
<jammcq>
ogra: ok, what was the fix on the T20 ?
08:05
<ogra>
especially udev will be unhappy
08:05
<jammcq>
yeah, udev seems to be taking forever
08:05
<ogra>
i dont remeber anmore, i'll need to dig deep through the changlog, that was pre dapper
08:05
<Gadi>
could you not go into the BIOS and change the time?
08:06
<ogra>
what you also can try for speedup is to give fixed module list to initramfs
08:06
it will cut it down extremly
08:06
yes, fixing the time should suffice
08:06
<jammcq>
maybe, but that's not enough
08:06* jammcq doesn't understand how going into the bios would fix anything
08:06
<Gadi>
perhaps an hwclock --systohc call in initramfs would be good as well
08:07
<ogra>
setting the hardware clock would
08:07
<jammcq>
setting it to WHAT ?
08:07
<ogra>
a recent time
08:07
<Gadi>
greater than or equal the time on the server
08:07
<jammcq>
baloney
08:07
sorry, that's bologna
08:07
<Gadi>
mmm... bologna
08:08
<ogra>
where you never get spaghetti bolognese
08:09
<jammcq>
ogra: is ltsp_utils no longer available for feisty ?
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08:11
<jammcq>
hmm, weird things happening on my laptop today. firefox doesn't wanna start
08:11
<ogra>
its not even in edgy anymore
08:11
<jammcq>
not even in universe/multiverse ?
08:11
<ogra>
people wanting 4.2 should get your package
08:12
nope
08:12
<jammcq>
ok, that's fine
08:12
<qwerty>
ummm, everything looks ok .... dhcp, etc/hosts ... is there another reason for my problem ?
08:12
<jammcq>
i'm just having trouble running firefox, to go get the damned thing
08:12
<ogra>
wget :)
08:12
<jammcq>
yeah, need the long url for that one
08:12
I'll get it
08:13
<ogra>
its a bit late for feisty, but if we need a special kernel flavour i can get one packaged i think
08:13
would probably be worth a spec for UDS
08:14
<jammcq>
even if we put one on the LTSP download page, it's better than saying don't use Ubuntu/LTSP
08:14
<ogra>
even though the ldm rewrite will keep me very busy and is the more important part for feisty+1
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08:14
<ogra>
along with that ltsp-manager should finally get somewhere in feisty+1
08:18
<Gadi>
ldm rewrite ? special kernel? oy... a guy turns his back for a few mins
08:18
<ogra>
heh
08:19
well, ldm needs to be able to support svg ... all our themes switched to it ... and somehow i dont see a reason to carry the gtk depedencies only for a single input field ...
08:19
it will be rewritten without gtk and with cairo/svg support
08:19
<Gadi>
ah
08:20
<ogra>
the gtk deps are th emost slowing down part
08:20
<Gadi>
so ur rewriting the greeter really
08:20
<ogra>
since the interpreted needs to load haf the world
08:20
<Gadi>
not the python script ldm
08:20
<ogra>
yeah, thats the pln
08:20
*plan
08:20
<Gadi>
cool - because im working on some mods of ldm
08:20
<ogra>
ldm itself is fine and speeds
08:20
<Gadi>
to add a few features
08:20
<ogra>
speedy
08:21
i'm also working on pam integration
08:21
i.e. getting messages from the server ... preparing for smartcard support etc
08:21
<Gadi>
isnt pam independent of you since ssh will use pam?
08:22
<ogra>
right
08:22
<Gadi>
so its already integrated ;)
08:22
you work quickly
08:22
:)
08:22
<ogra>
so we'll have something like a hdden pre-login procedure that returns the message to the gui
08:23
else there is no way to get the pam messages from the server to the gui
08:23
at least not through ssh
08:24* jammcq coughs ...... Network Authentication .... cough cough
08:24
<ogra>
has nothing to do with that :)
08:25
<jammcq>
does ldm have any provision for password expiration ?
08:25
<ogra>
nope
08:25
that would have to be ruled through pam
08:25
<jammcq>
right
08:25* jammcq coughs ...... Network Authentication .... cough cough
08:25
<ogra>
on the server side
08:25
which has nothing to do with ldm ;)
08:26
<jammcq>
right, but has everything to do with passwords
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08:26
<ogra>
it only needs a new communication channel for the pam messages
08:26
<jammcq>
!s
08:26
<ltspbot>
jammcq: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
08:26
<sbalneav>
Morning all
08:26
<ogra>
hey sbalneav
08:26
<sbalneav>
We talkin' palms?
08:27
hey hey ogra man! Loaded the second cd last night on my edubuntu box.
08:27* ogra culd plant palms here ... 15°C and working in the garden in the sun :)
08:27
<ogra>
did you like it ?
08:27
for feisty+1 we'll have meta taks in gnome-app-install ...
08:27
<sbalneav>
I was fooling around with kstars, and it was great. However, I'd suggest including installing kdehelp and the appropriate manuals for any of the kde programs.
08:27
<ogra>
*tasks
08:28
its is included ...
08:28
hrm ... but probably not installed since kubuntu didnt make it a dependency
08:28
<sbalneav>
Prolly.
08:28
<ogra>
i cant install it from the first CD .... all KDE stuff was dropped off there
08:29
if i put the kde help on the first CD i'll have to put on all kde langpacks as well
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08:29
<ogra>
which will be around 100M i dont have
08:29
<sbalneav>
Can it go on the second cd?
08:29
<ogra>
(actually the kde stuff was the reason for the second CD)
08:29
<sbalneav>
That one's less cramped.
08:29
<ogra>
it wont get installed
08:29
there is no dependency from any of the kde packages to the help
08:30
<sbalneav>
That's ok, just so long as it's included on the menu that pops up.
08:30
<ogra>
gnome ships the help inside the app, kde only in the helpcenter
08:30
oh, you mean it doesnt show up in g-a-i ?
08:30
thats a bug then
08:31
<ursatz>
i got a problem with ltsp 4.2 and ubuntu....
08:32
any time i reboot the server the /etc/hosts is screwed up
08:32
and the resolv.conf is empty
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<ursatz>
so i got to rebuild the /etc/hosts
08:33
otherwise the clients doesnt get the IP
08:33
any1 can help?
08:37* jammcq has to reboot, to restart gdm, brb
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08:37
<Gadi>
ursatz: sounds like you need to figure out whats wrong with the server first, but ltspadmin should be able to fix your hosts file somewhat
08:37
<sbalneav>
ursatz: is this the server's /etc/hosts? Or the /etc/hosts in the ltsp chroot? (/opt/ltsp/i386)
08:38
<ursatz>
the server's
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<ursatz>
I believe the reason for the empty resov.conf was the resolvconf package
08:40
<sbalneav>
Hmmm, well, does the server obtain it's main ip address by something like dhcp?
08:40
perhaps that's over writing something.
08:40
<ursatz>
nope
08:40
<sbalneav>
But nothing should be touching the hosts file, afaik.
08:40
<ogra>
yes, thats why resolvconf isnt supported in ubuntu, it messes up stuff ;)
08:41
<ursatz>
that's the point
08:41
<ogra>
its in universe for a reason ;)
08:42
<ursatz>
can it be the graphical interface called network-admin that's screws up the hosts?
08:42
i mean....
08:43
when i had the resolvconf installed i had to set the DNS through the network-admin
08:43
cause the file /etc/resolv.conf could not be edited
08:44
and when i opened the network-admin interface the tab HOSTS was wrong
08:44
<sbalneav>
Which network admin is this? The one under the System -> Administration menu?
08:44
I'd remove the resolvconf package
08:45
<ogra>
simply dont use packages from universe for something as essential as networking :)
08:45
<ursatz>
sbalneav ---> yes that one
08:46
<sbalneav>
That one shouldn't touch anything, unless the resolvconf package is mucking something up.
08:46
<ogra>
network-admin is well tested under the conditions of a default ubuntu install (thas how we do our testing)
08:46
<sbalneav>
purge the resolvconf package.
08:46
<ursatz>
i did
08:46
<ogra>
so t will work if you remove the unsuported stuff ... check that you dont have other stuff there as well ...
08:47
i.e., ifplugd is a good candidate people like to use to mess up their systems ...
08:47
<ursatz>
ifplugd???
08:47
<sbalneav>
ogra: wasn't there a script around somewhere that would show people packages from Universe that they have on their box?
08:47
Didn't cbx33 have something like that?
08:47
<ogra>
sbalneav, synaptic should have a filter for that
08:48
<sbalneav>
To show you what's already installed?
08:48
<ogra>
apart from that on the commandline apt-cache madison <packagename>
08:48
yes, i think so ... didnt use synaptic for a wile but i think it has such a filter
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08:49
<ogra>
apart from that suported packages all have an ubuntu logo in the synaptic list
08:50
<ursatz>
in my school we have four laboratories with ubuntu and ltsp 4.2 ... Do you guys we should upgrade to ltsp 5?
08:51
Do you guys think we should upgrade to ltsp 5?
08:51
<ogra>
which ubuntu release ?
08:51
<sbalneav>
You're running Ubuntu 6.10?
08:51
<ursatz>
dapper
08:52
but we are considering upgrading to edgy
08:52
<ogra>
for dapper youre better off with 4.2 unless you can live without local device access
08:52
<sbalneav>
If you move to edgy, then yes.
08:52
<ogra>
edgy is feature complete
08:52
feisty is the hit :)
08:52
<sbalneav>
edgy + ltsp5 = rockin'
08:52
<ursatz>
cool
08:52
<ogra>
sbalneav, did you test the sound stuff, its awesome ...
08:52
even gcompris *just works*
08:53
no esddsp or anything anymore :)
08:53
<sbalneav>
It's on my list to do tonight. Last night I was bombing through some of the edu apps.
08:53
<ursatz>
is the upgrading process from 4.2. to 5 smooth?
08:53
<sbalneav>
You just rebuild the chroot with the ltsp-build-client command.
08:53
<ogra>
just wipe the chroot and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
08:53
thats all
08:54
<ursatz>
and what abount the students and teachers accounts?
08:54
<ogra>
they live on the server
08:54
not in the client chroot
08:54
<ursatz>
oh... right... sorry
08:55
<ogra>
and are handled by the ubuntu upgrade manager
08:55
<sbalneav>
ogra: did you get a chance to look at the manual changes I did?
08:55
<ogra>
(feisty+1 will likely handle ltsp upgrades as well with update-manager btw, i talked to mvo already)
08:56
sbalneav, i hvent looked at them, but the edubuntu-docs package was uploaded today
08:56
i trust you :)
08:56
<ursatz>
last question guys.... is there an hot to or a guide for the upgrade?
08:56
hot = how to
08:56
:)
08:56
<ogra>
ursatz, sudo rm -rf /opt/ltsp/* and the folow the guide i just gave you above
08:56
<sbalneav>
ogra: you're a brave man. A FOOLISH man, but a brave one. I salute you! :)
08:57
<ogra>
or do you mean the server ?
08:57
sbalneav, haha
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08:57
<ursatz>
no i mean just ltsp
08:57
<fulgas>
yo
08:57
<sbalneav>
ursatz: even better than the rm -rf, how about a mv /opt/ltsp to /opt/oldltsp
08:57
<ogra>
ursatz, for just ltsp do as i said above
08:57
<ursatz>
okie
08:57
<ogra>
right, keep a backu if you have the space
08:57
*backup
08:57
<ursatz>
many thanks guys
08:57
<sbalneav>
that way, you'll hang onto your old lts.conf, for reference, etc.
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08:59
<Gad1>
i gotta tell you, this automagic network stuff in feisty can get very frustrating
08:59
<jammcq>
heh
08:59
<Gad1>
they obviously didnt use my laptop to test :P
08:59
<jammcq>
yeah, especially when you want to play with a static interface for LTSP testing
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08:59
<jammcq>
each time you reboot the workstation, the interface notices the connection went away, and nm gets confused
09:00
<Gad1>
something keeps removing my default gw
09:00
<jammcq>
hmm
09:00
<Gad1>
and I can only get an IP on my wireless if I run dhclient by hand
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09:00
<Gad1>
no matter what I set it to
09:00
I dont even know what the magic *is* anymore :(
09:00
<qwerty>
cya
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09:00
<jammcq>
cya ?
09:01
Cover Your Ass ?
09:01
<ogra>
Gad1, network-manager you mean ?
09:01
its da evil
09:01
<Gad1>
if thats whats playing mind games with me
09:01
;)
09:01
<ogra>
and broken atm ... it will manage *all* interfaces
09:02
<Gad1>
ah...
09:02
ok
09:02
at least its officially broken
09:02
:)
09:02
<ogra>
bring up any static interface after you are connected wireless
09:02
then it wont touch it
09:02
<Gad1>
ok
09:02
<jammcq>
right, if it says 'auto' in interfaces, then nm wants to own it
09:02
<ogra>
i'm waiting for a fix myself ... /etc/network/interfaces will get a special flag for unmanaged interfaces
09:03
<jammcq>
ah, that would be nice
09:03
<ogra>
jammcq, no
09:03
<jammcq>
ogra: that's how it works for me
09:03
<ogra>
jammcq, nm just manages *ll* interfaces
09:03
*all
09:03
it doesnt touch or read /e/n/i anymore at all
09:03
<jammcq>
if I comment out 'auto eth0'
09:03
then it works fine
09:03
<ogra>
weird, there is no code for that anymore
09:03
<jammcq>
then, I have to do : ifup eth0
09:04
i'm on the latest fiest, updated yesterday
09:04
<ogra>
it reads hal and manages what it finds ...
09:04
indeed for cabled interfaces that applies only if you have a cable plugged in
09:04
it wont care for a disconnected iface
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09:06
<Gad1>
yeah - i noticed that
09:06
:P
09:06
its ok to let th computer do the thinking as long as it thinks just the way I want it to ;)
09:06
otherwise, give me back my whip
09:06
nope
09:06
just dumped my gw again!
09:06
wth
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09:07
<sbalneav>
Huh, I thought network mangler DID look at /e/n/i, and leave things alone that aren't marked as "dhcp"
09:08
<jammcq>
in your dreams
09:09
<sbalneav>
So, how DO you create a static interface in NM?
09:10
<jammcq>
my way is to not say 'auto' for that interface
09:10
but according to ogra, if there's a cable attached, it'll configure it anyway
09:14
ogra_: what information did you say you'd like me to get from lspci on this new workstation?
09:16
<sbalneav>
ogra_: Still about?
09:24
<cliebow_>
Goddamn ibooks!!!!!!!!!
09:28
<iMav>
Anyone know anything about these? Looks like these would make VERY affordable thin clients. http://www.ewayco.com/51-embedded-systems-100-PC-mini-ITX-low-cost/100-TU-low-cost-pc-thin-client-embedded-system.html
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09:33
<cliebow_>
iMav:they work fine..but they are a bastard to get your hands on
09:34
<iMav>
cliebow_: really? The company is a pain to deal with?
09:34
<cliebow_>
the company is fine..i guess but nternational wired money is awful expensive
09:34
<iMav>
yikes. no way I wire money to any company.
09:35
<cliebow_>
there are two companied whichbuild the essneially same model..cant think what the othr is
09:36
<iMav>
either in the US?
09:36
<cliebow_>
no 8~(
09:36
<iMav>
:(
09:36
kuwait? (I just so happen to be here right now) :)
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09:37
<cliebow_>
iMav: i have an invoice i never carried out here..99 for the client 27 for shipping..30 to wire the money
09:38
<jammcq>
cliebow_: is that the eBox ?
09:38
e2300 ?
09:38
<cliebow_>
eway
09:38
<jammcq>
yeah
09:38
<cliebow_>
tiny tu 200 mhz
09:38
<jammcq>
you should know that we're having SEVERE performance issues with that box
09:38
<cliebow_>
so should iMav 8~)
09:39
<jammcq>
at least on ltsp-5. i've been working all morning, collecting info, to try to speed it up
09:39
<iMav>
ahhh. I don't really need to be that cheap. just looking around and happened to see something about them.
09:39
<cliebow_>
i see..prob works fine in 4.2 8~)
09:39
<jammcq>
umm, much better
09:39
but still, it's only a 200Mhz cpu, so don't expect blazing performance
09:40
<cliebow_>
the only client i have that will run lts5 is the one ron sent me
09:40
<jammcq>
heh
09:40
<cliebow_>
so migration is a serious issue
09:40
<iMav>
yeah. I probably won't be setting up my LTSP environment till late next year anyway (when I am done working in Iraq) But I do want to play around some on vacation (which I am in route to now)
09:40
<jammcq>
yer in Iraq ?
09:41
<cliebow_>
En shala
09:41
<iMav>
Yeah. (well, was till yesterday. I am in Kuwait now waiting for my flight to the US)
09:41
<jammcq>
holy crap
09:41
be careful over there
09:42
in case you hadn't noticed, there's a war going on
09:42
<iMav>
really? ;)
09:42
<jammcq>
are you military? or support?
09:42
certainly not a tourist
09:42
<iMav>
been over there 5 months. Looking forward to seeing the wife and kids. Will likely to 1.5-2 years total.
09:42
DoD contractor.
09:42
<jammcq>
ah
09:43
<cliebow_>
i prefer the old style wars myself...both sides stayed on their own side of the front
09:43
<iMav>
yeah. this situation is pretty ridiculous.
09:43
<neuralis>
cliebow_: wars were better when they were fought with shield and spear
09:43
<ogra>
tsk
09:43
guys
09:44
<cliebow_>
heh..my dad was one of the first doctors nto Hisroshima after the boomb..
09:44
<jammcq>
ogra: what info did you want from lspci ?
09:44
<ogra>
neither type of war is good ... and neither is better ...
09:44
jammcq, all ?
09:44
<jammcq>
I did 'lspci' and 'lspci -v'
09:44
didn't do '-a'
09:44
<ogra>
should be fine for a first glance
09:44
<jammcq>
and I grabbed /proc/cpuinfo
09:45
<ogra>
good, attach tht to the bug and i'll subscribe the kernel team to get some input
09:45
<jammcq>
k
09:45
I'll do that in a couple mins
09:46
<ogra>
also a boot log would be intresting ...
09:46
should be in syslog of the server ...
09:46
<jammcq>
how could I get that?
09:46
you pushing that over via syslogd now?
09:46
<ogra>
all clients should log to the servers syslog by default (at least in 5.0.4)
09:47
<jammcq>
5.0.4
09:47
?
09:47
<ogra>
i dropped it somewhere half way to feisty, but re-added it last upload
09:47
dpkg -l ltsp-server
09:48
should return 5.0.4 :)
09:48
else you are testing the wrong version
09:48
<jammcq>
ok, booting up lappy
09:48
yep, 5.0.4
09:49
<ogra>
good
09:53
make sure yur chroot was built at least with version 5.0.1 of ltsp-build-client (from march 12)
09:53
else you miss out the X detection changes
09:53
<jammcq>
how do I check the version of ltsp-build-client?
09:53
<ogra>
all other stuff shouldnt have any speed impact
09:53
<jammcq>
I build the chroot on friday, the 23rd, after an update
09:53
<ogra>
well, its the one included in the package
09:54
<jammcq>
in ltsp-server ?
09:54
<ogra>
yep
09:54
<jammcq>
ok, should be good
09:55
<ogra>
the only thing to check the chroot would probably be something like creation time of /etc/passwd
09:55
<jammcq>
but i'm not seeing any client messges in the servers /var/log/syslog :(
09:55
<ogra>
is /etc/ltsp/syslog existing ?
09:55
err
09:55
syslogd
09:56
it overrides the system settings and switches on remote logging
09:56
<jammcq>
nope
09:56
<ogra>
hrm ...
09:56* ogra checks
09:57
<ogra>
echo "SYSLOGD=\"-r\"" > /etc/ltsp/syslogd && sudo /etc/init.d/sysklogd restart
09:57
dunno when that got lost, thanks for making me look :)
09:58* ogra fixes the source
09:58
<jammcq>
I see in the /etc/init.d/sysklogd script, it looks for /etc/ltsp/syslogd, but no config file
09:58
<ogra>
right, its not in the package, just fixing it
09:58
<jammcq>
cool
09:58
<ogra>
do the above for now
09:58
should ficx it
09:58
<jammcq>
yessir
09:59
i'm not setup for testing right now tho
09:59
<ogra>
ok
09:59
<jammcq>
moved back to my desk, to try to get some real work done
09:59
<ogra>
ok
10:00
<iMav>
so what does "real work" entail for you guys anyway?
10:00* ogra is doing his real work in here atm :)
10:00
<iMav>
:)
10:00* jammcq writes software for doctors
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10:01
<SBNet>
i've got a good question, i've downloaded ltps-utils*.rpm and installed it into my distro, now what?
10:02
<ogra>
follow wiki.ltsp.org there is all the documentaion for ltsp 4.2 :)
10:02
<jammcq>
http://ltsp.mirrors.tds.net/pub/ltsp/docs/ltsp-4.1-en.html#AEN309
10:02
<ogra>
4.1 ?
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10:02
<jammcq>
that part of the docs is the same
10:03
<ogra>
right, but the naming is confusing :)
10:03
<jammcq>
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42#Installation_of_LTSP_4_2
10:03
is that better ?
10:03
<ogra>
yeah :)
10:05
<jammcq>
ogra: ok, help an old guy out.... where do I file a bug report?
10:05
<cliebow_>
iMav:school it
10:06
<ogra>
https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+filebug
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10:10
<iMav>
I've been doing IT security for quite a while (and that is what I am doing for MNF-I in Iraq as well). Not sure what I will do when I am done over here. Either go back to my former employer or, perhaps, something completely different. :)
10:12
<SBNet>
when i'm done configuring ltsp on my box, can i make a bootable cd for users to have so they can boot up the ltsp box from a remote one? this ltsp is a test and will only be available to certain users
10:13
<ogra>
SBNet, see rom-o-matic.net (or .com, not sure)
10:13
<SBNet>
ok thanks
10:14
<cliebow__>
SBNet:there is a universal boot cd i think..
10:14
!bootdisk
10:14
<ltspbot>
cliebow__: Error: "bootdisk" is not a valid command.
10:14
<cliebow__>
!boot
10:14
<ltspbot>
cliebow__: Error: "boot" is not a valid command.
10:14
<cliebow__>
!Unuversal
10:14
<ltspbot>
cliebow__: Error: "Unuversal" is not a valid command.
10:14
<cliebow__>
!Universal
10:14
<ltspbot>
cliebow__: Error: "Universal" is not a valid command.
10:14
<cliebow__>
hell
10:15
<SBNet>
yeah, that's basically waht i'm looking for, a class here uses linux but we only have one available so they ssh into it, well i figured i can give them a desktop by creating an ltsp server with boot disks for them
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10:15
<cliebow__>
sure!
10:15
<jammcq>
ogra: do I attach things to a bug AFTER I submit it ?
10:15
<ogra>
do it after ...
10:15
its easier i think
10:16
<vagrantc>
!bootfloppy
10:16
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "bootfloppy" is http://etherboot.anadex.de or ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/Universal_boot_floppy
10:16
<SBNet>
ok, so what do i need to install? ltsp_core, kernel, libusb, localdev, pciutils perl rdesktop what?
10:16
<jammcq>
SBNet: install all of it, save yourself some grief
10:16
<SBNet>
nevermind i'm slow!!!
10:17
i see it in cap letters
10:23
<Gad1>
jammcq: u still gettin gslow booting?
10:24
<jammcq>
well, nothings changed. I'm just writing up the bug report now
10:25
<Gad1>
does the logging come in 1 line every 5 secs?
10:26
<SBNet>
so once i've installed all these packages, and ltspcfg runs, how will i setup the os it boots?
10:27
<jammcq>
setup ?
10:27
install and run ltspcfg, and yer pretty well done
10:28
<SBNet>
yeah, does ltsp use the current os it's on or does it require the install of an os into ltsp?
10:28
k
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10:28
<jammcq>
LTSP IS an os
10:28
it's an OS for thin clients
10:28
<SBNet>
ok
10:31
<iMav>
have you guys ever used a Mac mini (PPC or Intel) as a ltsp client? (I know they are not cost-effective...but I happen to have several) I also have an Ultra5 I want to try as a client just for grins (while on vaca)
10:32
<jammcq>
ogra: ok, bug #97456 has been filed
10:32
<ogra>
i use my ibook quite hapily as client from time to time ... same architecture as the mini ...
10:33
jammcq, will hit my inbox with the next LP scheduler run :)
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10:34
<iMav>
yeah. That gets me thinking...low-end laptops can be had from ebay quite cheaply. That's probably not a bad route for LTSP clients.
10:35
<ogra>
well, make sure that they have a builtin NIC thats netboot capable ... saves a lot of hassle ....
10:35
<SBNet>
i gather that tftp should be installed huh?
10:36
<cliebow__>
yes
10:36
<SBNet>
ok
10:39
<Gad1>
jammcq: taking the gloves off ;)
10:39
<jammcq>
yeah, I sure am
10:45
<bricode>
Has anyone done any profiling of what happens during the boot?
10:45
err, performance profiling that is.
10:46
<ogra>
bricode, for 4.2 or 5 ?
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10:46
<bricode>
either.
10:47
<ogra>
bricode, for 5 we did a big profiling session in montreal pre-dapper ...
10:47
<bricode>
I mean, I did a little of the network stuff for 5 of thin vs. fat, but nothing on the software side.
10:47
<ogra>
since then ltsp5 has grown some new legs and heads
10:47
so a new profiling will take place on the next ubuntu conference
10:47
<bricode>
The Hydra phenomenon.
10:47
That's in May in Spain right?
10:47
<ogra>
including me planning a rewrite of ldm
10:48
right
10:48
<bricode>
Humm.
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10:53
<kaminski-ltsp-br>
hi all
10:53
jammcq: hey
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10:58
<jammcq>
kaminski-ltsp-br: hey
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11:04
<kaminski-ltsp-br>
I need a command that return the complete usernames os logged users at a ltsp server... the 'who' and 'w' returns only 8 characters
11:04
of logged
11:06
<iMav>
T20's seem just about perfect. Come in 500-700Mhz varieties with 128MB standard. And both available NIC's support PXE net booting. AND, they routinely can be had for under $100 on ebay. That sounds like the perfect budget thin client to me!
11:09
<SBNet>
ok, according to ltspcfg tftpd is running, portmapper is running and xdmcp is running, it also says that hosts is not configured, hosts.allow is not configured and exports is but lts.conf is, so what now?
11:10
!bookdisk
11:10
<ltspbot>
SBNet: Error: "bookdisk" is not a valid command.
11:10
<SBNet>
!bootdisk
11:10
<ltspbot>
SBNet: Error: "bootdisk" is not a valid command.
11:11
<SBNet>
!bootfloppy
11:11
<ltspbot>
SBNet: "bootfloppy" is http://etherboot.anadex.de or ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/Universal_boot_floppy
11:15
<SBNet>
well, the real question is how do i set it up to boot to the ltsp server without changing settings in the dhcp server?
11:16
<cliebow__>
what dhcp server?
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<dan__t>
'morning.
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11:18
<SBNet>
well, according to this boot disk, it gets where the ltsp image is located from the dhcp server
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11:20
<SBNet>
i need to create a bootdisk that will boot directly up to the ltsp box, the image is located on my ltsp box, the dhcp server cannot be touched, so basically the bootdisk will need to know where to go to get the ltsp image
11:21
<dan__t>
For those running sound, which sound driver are you using? I'm using a FC6-based LTSP4.2 right now.
11:27
<kaminski-ltsp-br>
I need a command that return the complete usernames of the logged users at a ltsp server... the 'who' and 'w' returns only 8 characters
11:27
;)
11:29
<SBNet>
my issue is that ltsp says it has to have dhcp setup to work, but i've talked to several people who said they didn't use dhcp that it was directly booting from a boot cd or disk so how do i cut out the dhcp
11:29
<jammcq>
hmm, you'd have to talk to one of them
11:30
<dan__t>
Wow, this INternet connection blows...
11:30
<jammcq>
cuz that's not supported by ltsp
11:30
<SBNet>
well, i've been told it can be done
11:30
<ogra>
sure, but its not ltsp ...
11:30
<jammcq>
ok, now you need to get THEM to tell you how
11:30
cuz we don't do that
11:31
<SBNet>
should i just setup a virtual ethernet adapter and use a different net and let dhcp do that net?
11:32
<dan__t>
There's still only one physical broadcast medium.
11:33
<SBNet>
but dhcp can look at the virtual adapter for dhcp then the server with a single nic acts like a router
11:33
<dan__t>
Then go for it heh.
11:35
jammcq, do you use sound for clients?
11:36
<jammcq>
dan__t: I don't
11:36
<dan__t>
hrm, alright
11:36
<jammcq>
I have a stereo for playing my music :)
11:36
<dan__t>
heheh
11:36* ogra uses *only* thin clients for his music nowadays ... but doesnt use 4.2
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11:37
<ogra>
jammcq, i have one attached to my TV ... just missing the time to set up mythtv to run locally on it :)
11:37
<jammcq>
that'd be pretty cool. and probably easy
11:37
<ogra>
it is
11:37
but requires coding time i cant spend :)
11:37
<jammcq>
what's the interface between the client and TV ?
11:38
coax ?
11:38
<ogra>
i always wanted a --mythtv option for ltsp-build-client
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<dan__t>
haha
11:38
<ogra>
nope, its a flatscreen, it has a vga input
11:38
<jammcq>
ah, cool
11:38* jammcq has no flat-screen tvs yet
11:38
<dan__t>
Ok, do we have a list of LTSP mirrors that I'm not seeing here?
11:38
<jammcq>
dan__t: nope, only one
11:39
<ogra>
jammcq, well, the screen of your TV is pretty flat iirc, isnt it ?
11:39
<jammcq>
I guess if it's only 1, it's not really a mirror :)
11:39
ogra: yeah, but it's old technology
11:39
rear-projection
11:39
<ogra>
but bigger :)
11:39
<jammcq>
needs to be adjusted, it's getting kind of blurry
11:39
<ogra>
i couldnt afford one in that size
11:39
(as LCD i mean)
11:40
<jammcq>
I could buy a very nice hdtv now, for the price I paid for that monster back in 1996
11:40
<ogra>
yeah
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but then you need a HD reciever as well
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<jammcq>
details
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<SBNet>
ok, i've got a windows nt4 dhcp server, how do i set it up so that people with bootdisks/bootcds can boot from the ltsp server?
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<bricode>
ogra: What type of thin client are you thinking for myth?
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<ogra>
any ... it should ahve a decent graphics card, but thats all ...
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you only need to run the myth client locally on the thin client ... the myth server can run anywhere
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<bricode>
ogra: I'll agree to the good vid card bit.
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ogra: The AMD Geode's can spit out 720x480 without an extra graphics card.
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<ogra>
jammcq, my tests with openchrome and the red/black client you gave me dont turn out well ... seems openchrome still locks up from time to time
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<jammcq>
bummer
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<ogra>
bricode, if i attach the client to a TV that does 1280x800 i want the card to use that indeed
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<bricode>
ogra: Geode can scale up to that if you wanted. Won't handle HD 720p streams though. Little will...you'd have to get some Core Solo, or a beefy graphics card.
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<Blinny>
SBNet: Have you set the 'next-server' configuration flag on the dhcp server?
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<bricode>
ogra: In fact, there are a lot of DVD players that do upscaling and not true HD on the market.
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<ogra>
i dont care about hd streams at that point anymore ... i want the player to use the full resolution of the tv ... the HD handling/scaling etc should be done on the myth server
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<SBNet>
no, i only have an ltsp setup running on an fc5 virtual machine, haven't gotten any farther cause i'm not sure what to do
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<iMav>
SBNet: isn't it as simple as setting up the appropriate tftp and bootfile options?
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(don't know anything about DHCP running on windows...so I have no idea where you would set that or the proper syntax)
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<Blinny>
SBNet: I am not familiar with NT's dhcp configuration, but I know you need a 'next-server LTSP_SERVER_IP_HERE;' configuration in a regular Linux dhcp server.
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<iMav>
I do, however, know how to do it on my linksys router's DHCP server (running 3rd party firmware) though. :)
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<jgedeon>
Hello everyone. I come to your expertise in a problem that I am encountering. Background is: Main system has Edubutnu 6.10 full installation on it. Stopped using it and now doesn't support LTSP clients for some reason. Built new system just for Edubuntu Server default install with single nic dhcpd3 has been romoved. Now when booting the TC will start to boot off of Edubuntu Server and then go to the main machine. If I take the main
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machine off the network then a buzybox error displayed. /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off
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<SBNet>
yeah, i just installed dhcp so i could let ltsp config a file for it, just printed it out, might try to add these things to my nt4 dhcp server
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<iMav>
SBNet: That's what I would do. No need to run the dhcp server as long as your current dhcpd can pass the proper parameters.
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<japerry>
g'morning folks
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<cliebow__>
jgedeon :sounds like your nfs is not working..
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<japerry>
not sure if anyone where is doing LTSP-5 on SuSE 10
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but if you are, I'd like to talk to you -- I decided after working with 4.2 last night, that I'm going to 'attempt' to impliment LTSP5 on SuSE
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<SBNet>
that's what i'm hoping will work, never tried this before and i'm not 100% with nt4 i usually use linux for all my apps but nt4 was here when i started working and won't get phased out for linux for another year or two
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<jgedeon>
cliebow__: tried restarting nfs-ker.....
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<japerry>
@find SusE
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<cliebow__>
jgedeon, netstat -anp|grep ":2049" will show you if nfs is listening..all services are on one machine right?
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<jgedeon>
cliebow__: with that command nothing is coming up on either the Edubuntu server nore the main machine.
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Sorry typed it wrong.
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Yes it's running.
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<cliebow__>
in ltsp5 your opton root-path should have no ipaddress in it..
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so it assumes
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<jgedeon>
On the DHCP server root path is currently <IPADDRESS>:/opt/ltsp/i386
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<cliebow__>
option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386"; is mine for i386
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# option root-path "/opt/ltsp/powerpc"; for ppc
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<jgedeon>
OK. Just pulled it out and seeing what is happening. Before on the Main machine I needed to put the IP address in and this is the same install just months later.
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cliebow__: Thank you that worked.
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<cliebow__>
ogra may burst in most anytime
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COOL!
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<jgedeon>
Hmmm one system it worked fine for but another now I am getting tftp open timeouts.
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<cliebow__>
not sudre about that.'''brb
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<vlt>
Hello. I'm trying to run freenx/nxclient on LTSP 4.x (ubuntu). I followed the wiki on http://www.pug.org/index.php/LTSP#FreeNX_Integration but get "Can't find startnx" on the client's vt2. Any idea?
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<jgedeon>
cliebow__: I just tried that system again and it strated booting fine showed downloading the img and went to the splash screen and then it was back to the " /bin/sh: can't access tty; job access control turned off " again.
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<ogra>
is your nfs server running ? /opt/ltsp exported etc ?
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<jgedeon>
ogra yes nfs is running.
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<cliebow__>
do you have two dhcp servers running?
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<jgedeon>
Booted a system off it fine a few minutes ago and then went to boot another system and that system got the busybox and now both are getting them.
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<cliebow__>
do you have two dhcp servers running?
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<jgedeon>
No dhcp3 is removed from the LTSP server and is dhcp is being handled by a endian firewall
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<cliebow__>
and that dhcp server is passing out both filename and root-path
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<jgedeon>
Correct.
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<cliebow__>
SURE there isnt a rogue dhcp server?
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<jgedeon>
Looking now.
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The only other one that would be possible is this system and that service is stopped.
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HHmm Might have systems booting now.... This makes no sense...
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<cliebow__>
cant hurt to netstat -anp|grep ":67" just to be sure..
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<jgedeon>
Nothing.
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Both systems just booted for some reason.
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<cliebow__>
might watch /var/log/messages or ids it syslog..to see that dhcp offers are coming from the right machine
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wireshark is your friend
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<jgedeon>
OK Looking now.
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<KeepWalking_>
hi
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where can i get universal network floppy disk?
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<cliebow__>
!botfloppy
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<ltspbot>
cliebow__: Error: "botfloppy" is not a valid command.
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<cliebow__>
!bootfloppy
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<ltspbot>
cliebow__: "bootfloppy" is http://etherboot.anadex.de or ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/Universal_boot_floppy
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<KeepWalking_>
cliebow thank you very much
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<cliebow__>
^_^
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<joebaker>
ogra: The KOffice Icons are showing up now in Ubuntu! Thanks for passing that issue on.
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<ogra>
:)
13:44* kaminski-ltsp-br is away: trabalhando o.O
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<sbalneav>
jammcq: ping
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<jammcq>
pong
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sbalneav: pong
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<sbalneav>
jammcq: read planet ubuntu.
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Guess who blogged.
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And check out the last line.
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<jammcq>
saw it already
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<jammcq>
pffffff
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bwahahahahaha
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<ogra>
heh
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<sbalneav>
ogra: you like?
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<ogra>
totally !
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<sbalneav>
Good.
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<RiXtEr>
hola all !
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<sbalneav>
Don't want the Ubuntu folks to get too cocky and forget us.
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<ogra>
yeah i was planning to write something for beta, but i was to tired after all the testing ... needed the whole weekend to recover
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<erdinc>
hi everyone
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<cliebow__>
bbiab
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<bricode>
Pop quiz: Feisty ltsp-build-client install with an older pxelinux.0 image. Good idea? Bad idea?
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<ogra>
bricode, why would you do that ? ltsp-build-client will install the latest anyway
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<bricode>
ogra: Oh. That's good news.
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<ogra>
its part of ltsp-build-client
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<bricode>
ogra: My current install is pretty shifty. I don't want to migrate my server to Feisty until the final release.
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<ogra>
i only have three or four very minor changes that shouldnt change its behavior before release ... its at least ready for testing :)
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i.e. feistys ltsp is at 5.0.4 atm ... dont expect it to go beyond 5.0.6 before release
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<bricode>
Humm. I'm more worried about other things. My server has a highpoint sata raid card that requires custom kernel compilations, so I want to wait until the final is out and the kernel choice is (relatively) stable
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<ogra>
oh, ok
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<bricode>
ogra: When I try to do a ltsp-build-client --dist feisty on edgy I get ltsp-client: depends: pulseaudio-esound-compat. Ideas?
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<ogra>
that doesnt work
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you dont have the packages in edgy
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--dist never wors upwards
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only backwards
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<bricode>
Huh. Check.
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Guess you can't predict the future.
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<ogra>
--dist edgy should work on feisty ... but would be sily to do :)
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initially that was only for debian vs ubuntu
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wehn we had no separate packages
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<bricode>
ogra: So what you're telling me is that I should upgrade to Feisty.
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<ogra>
and they needed --dist sid
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either that or grab a feisty tarball from ltsp.org
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even though you will moss stuff on the dektop side thats not in edgy
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<bricode>
like?
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<ogra>
pulse support for example
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<bricode>
Right. Well, I don't need sound at the moment anyway.
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Is there support for local devices? Like say /dev/hda?
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<ogra>
yes, but you need the ltspfs package on the server side
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there were no changes between edgy/feisty
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localdevs work the same in both
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<jammcq>
hey kids
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<cliebow>
daad!
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<jammcq>
hey chuckster
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<sbalneav>
Eveing all
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<jammcq>
!s
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<ltspbot>
jammcq: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<sbalneav>
Hey hey!
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<kinema>
Does anyone know of a tool to limit a users login time?
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<sbalneav>
There's been a few attempts at writing something like it over the years.
23:16* jammcq remembers metermaid
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