IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 5 September 2007   (all times are UTC)

00:14
<sutula>
vagrantc: I'm in the new maintainer process. Somewhere along the line I saw that they consider it a civic duty (or something like that) :)
00:16
vagrantc: I see you in the same list
00:16
<vagrantc>
sutula: yeah...
00:17
<sutula>
vagrantc: I've been trying to get wine sound working in an LTSP client...I'm afraid these two big pieces aren't quite up to it yet
00:18
wine claims to be able to use alsa, and my other alsa apps work fine on a client, but I guess all alsa apps aren't alike
00:19
<vagrantc>
sutula: you sure they're actually using alsa, and not pulse or esound ?
00:20
<sutula>
vagrantc: wine has a bunch of different drivers (alsa, esd, oss, nas, but not pulse), and their config program can (supposedly) select which one is used.
00:21
vagrantc: When alsa is selected, the alsa library complains it can't open /dev/snd/seq, which I wouldn't care about, but it may be bombing out at that point and not trying any more
00:22
vagrantc: We don't have any sequencer (MIDI) emulation, do we?
00:23
<vagrantc>
not that i'm aware of ... just pcm and ctl (mixer)
00:23
<sutula>
vagrantc: I may have to modify their alsa driver at some point, or wait for them to support pulse
00:24
vagrantc: RE bugs, you can get me back by submitting some against openhpi :) ...I probably need more user involvement before my AM will be happy
00:26
<vagrantc>
sutula: i'm not even sure i have a use for it :)
00:27* sutula is pretty sure few people do
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02:09
<vlt>
Hello. I have a client with a nic identies by `lspci` as "00:0b.0 Ethernet controller: Davicom Semiconductor, Inc. 21x4x DEC-Tulip commpatible 10/100 Ethernet (rev 40) \n Subsystem: Unknown device 3030:5032". Can anyone help me which etherboot image to create on rom-o-matic.net?
02:09
s/identies/identified/
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02:24
<moversti>
could someone confirm that 64-bit server can be used with 32-bit clients?
02:25
<sep>
moversti, as long as you make the lstp chroot 32 bit, yes
02:25
<moversti>
ty, do you have some url to read?
02:26
<sep>
and unless you have >4 GB ram in your server it's not realy nessecary to install a 64 bit os on the 64 bit server.
02:26
url ?
02:26
<moversti>
web page :)
02:27
<sep>
no :)
02:27
<moversti>
some 64bit comps wont install 32bit linux
02:27
I have tried :/
02:31
<sep>
moversti, never seen that unless it was a non x86 arch
02:31
i have many that way
02:31
x86's that is
02:40
<vlt>
`dmesg | grep eth` returns "eth0: Davicom DM9102 at pci0000:00:0b.0, 00:08:a1:96:5b:de, irq 11". I tried the etherboot images "davicom9102", "dmfe9102" and "tulip:dm9102" but no success. How can I find out what driver is used by the kernel (2.6.21, and `lsmod` is empty)?
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03:28
<ogra>
moversti, with ltsp5 you only need the option --arch i386 for ltsp-build-client
03:28
!ubuntu
03:28
<ltspbot>
ogra: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
03:28
<ogra>
!debian
03:28
<ltspbot>
ogra: "debian" is is a GNU/Linux based operating system that makes an excellent LTSP server. You can find it at http://www.debian.org. for information about LTSP on debian see http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP
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04:06
<Penberthy>
any people on who could help me
04:07
taking that as a no
04:07
<ogra>
Penberthy, if you waste time with asking if you may ask ....
04:08
what do you expect :) just ask what you want to know, if someone knows an answer he/she will answer
04:10
<Penberthy>
well my clients are stuck trying to reach the nfs
04:10
its booted fine once but its saying that the nfs isnt responding which I find hard to believe
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04:10
<Penberthy>
cause it grabbed dhcp from the same pc
04:10
<ogra>
and nfs is running there ?
04:11
(did you check ?)
04:11
<Penberthy>
yeah it is
04:11
<ogra>
can you mount /opt/ltsp/i386 from another machine in the net ?
04:12
s/from/to/
04:12
<Penberthy>
well I have no linux machines on the network
04:12
eveything connects to the ltsp server
04:12
and nothing will connect
04:12
<ogra>
which ltsp version/distro is that ?
04:12
<Penberthy>
k12ltsp
04:12
ver 6
04:13
<ogra>
so the old ltsp ...
04:13
<Penberthy>
uses fedora that why I went with it
04:13
<ogra>
i knoww
04:13
<Penberthy>
and its preconfigured
04:13
<ogra>
yup, but missing a recent ltzsp
04:13
*ltsp
04:14
<Penberthy>
why you got a better solution, cause I need to get this up within a hour
04:14
and I have basic knowledge when it comes to linux
04:15
<ogra>
well, it can be three things ... your nfs server isnt working properly (check the logs if mount requests arrive, best would be to try a mount from another machine i.e. using a liveCD)
04:16
2) your network has glitches i.e. you added a managed switch that isnt properly configured
04:16
so it might not let nfs stuff through
04:16
<Penberthy>
no managed switches
04:16
well it did it before
04:16
<ogra>
3) your client setup (chroot on the server) is broken ... very unlikely
04:17
unless you fiddled in it manually
04:17
<Penberthy>
no
04:17
just stopped working when I was adding the last clients
04:17
<ogra>
oh, there is a 4 ... your dhcp server is configured wrongly (i.e. root-path doesnt have the right setting)
04:17
<Penberthy>
and then everything stopped working
04:17
<ogra>
from one second to another ?
04:18
is your server out of diskspace probably ?
04:18
<Penberthy>
thats funny
04:19
<ogra>
why ? happens
04:19
<Penberthy>
got 200 GB drive with just the clean install
04:19
<ogra>
well
04:19
<Penberthy>
I'll install again if I have too but already done that twice
04:20
<ogra>
and it didnt change ?
04:21
<Penberthy>
nope
04:21
<ogra>
then its something witrh your LAN ...
04:21
<Penberthy>
even with the clients that worked before there producing the same error
04:21
<ogra>
is there another dhcp server running in your network ?
04:22
<cyberorg>
Penberthy, can you manually mount nfs exports on another machine?
04:22
<Penberthy>
I dont have linux machine to try that with
04:22
<cyberorg>
moin ogra :)
04:22
<ogra>
cyberorg, he has no other linuix in his network
04:23
moin
04:23
<cyberorg>
Penberthy, live CD?
04:23
<Penberthy>
everything else is windows
04:23
<ogra>
yeah, that was my suggestion as well
04:23
<cyberorg>
installation disk would do too
04:23
<Penberthy>
well unless my fedora 7 is live no
04:23
<ogra>
no quick DSL ?
04:23
<Penberthy>
actually we run fiber here
04:23
<cyberorg>
Penberthy, fedora disk, boot into recovery mode
04:23
<ogra>
well, download one then :)
04:24
ah, right, recovery might help
04:24* ogra hasnt touched any redhat CDs since version 4.x
04:24
<ogra>
:)
04:24
<cyberorg>
DSL is just about 60 MB, that would be better
04:25
<Penberthy>
???
04:25
<ogra>
cyberorg, i meant ADSL, not damn small linux ... but that would be an option as well indeed :)
04:25
<Penberthy>
using my fedora cd
04:25
<ogra>
yeah, that should work
04:26
<cyberorg>
Penberthy, hope you are comfortable with network configuration manually, not sure if it would do dhcp
04:26* ogra really bets for another dhcp server running anywhere
04:26
<cyberorg>
yeah, windows machine serving it
04:26
<ogra>
right
04:28
<Penberthy>
no already turned off the Windows AD servers
04:29
what is the exact line I should use in the shell
04:29
to mounth
04:29
moun*
04:29
<cyberorg>
Penberthy, you got ip address configured?
04:29
showmount -e <serverip>
04:29
<Penberthy>
should I have done that manually cause I let it grab it dhcp
04:30
<cyberorg>
Penberthy, ping your server
04:30
if it works fine
04:30
do showmount thing first
04:30
after ping
04:30
<Penberthy>
showmount isnt a command in the shell
04:30
at least thats what it tells me
04:31
and pinging works fine
04:31
<cyberorg>
if you can ping the server, mount -t nfs <serverip>:/path/exported /mnt
04:33
<Penberthy>
well I got a permission denied
04:34
<ogra>
used the right path ?
04:35
<Penberthy>
the one you typed
04:35
<ogra>
heh
04:35
<Penberthy>
or was that not what I was supposed to type
04:35
<ogra>
you should replace that by the exported path
04:35
<Penberthy>
sorry been up for over 24 hours
04:35
<ogra>
not sur3 what the old ltsp used
04:35
<cyberorg>
Penberthy, /opt/ltsp/i386 or whatever you have exported
04:35
<ogra>
nowadays its /opt/ltsp/i386
04:37
<cyberorg>
ogra, any plan of moving it to /srv/ ?
04:37
<Penberthy>
success on mounting
04:37
<ogra>
cyberorg, well ...
04:37
<Penberthy>
brb
04:37
<ogra>
cyberorg, i must admit i dont really mind where it sits :)
04:38
<cyberorg>
ogra, yeah, i am told /srv is more LSB compliant :p
04:38
i don't care what it is either :)
04:38
<ogra>
well, the chroot can apply to both LSB wise ...
04:39
so its a matter of liking ... mail the ML and ask for a vote :)
04:39
<cyberorg>
ogra, naah, i've put in /srv/ where everything related to server is on suse
04:40
<ogra>
the prob is the docs here
04:40
there are tons of pages you will need to update for that
04:41
you wouldnt belive how many people are still confused by the change of the tftp dir location, even though ltsp 4 isnt developed since two years anymore and the change is old
04:41
but people still look for /tftproot
04:42
<cyberorg>
ogra, yeah, we have /tftpboot as default and with ltsp, we have moved that in /srv/tftpboot, so there might be some confusion later
04:42
<ogra>
*boot indeed
04:42
there should be a proper LSB complian space your distro defines for that, use it
04:42
<cyberorg>
ogra, luckily the script we wrote, sets tftp server, so user doesnt need to bother with that
04:42
ogra, that is /srv
04:43
<ogra>
ah, k
04:43* ogra wouldnt have expectad *that*
04:43
<ogra>
*expected
04:45
<cyberorg>
ogra, try our stuff once when you can set 10.3 in vmware/xen or real machine
04:45
*get
04:46
you guys would have log of things to suggest then
04:46* cyberorg oO damn typos
04:52
<Penberthy>
ok while looking over the bootup of the machine it mounts the opt dir
04:52
but then goes and says server unresponsive
04:52
the nfs server to be exact
04:54
<cyberorg>
Penberthy, study the server logs, about the nfs things
04:55
<Penberthy>
where are those log files
04:55
nm
04:56
<ogra>
if you shut down the server, do other machines still get dhcp adresses ?
04:56
<Penberthy>
no
04:56
<ogra>
you tried ?
04:56
<Penberthy>
Sep 4 03:44:59 server mountd[2514]: authenticated mount request from ws252.ltsp:967 for /opt/ltsp/i386 (/opt/ltsp/i386)
04:57
<ogra>
hmm, that looks fine on first sight
05:04
<Penberthy>
Sep 4 03:57:05 server in.tftpd[11154]: tftp: client does not accept options
05:04
whats that
05:05
<ogra>
thats a proper tftp connection
05:05
<cyberorg>
Penberthy, you can safely ignore that
05:05
<Penberthy>
right
05:05
ok
05:05
so what should I do, I'm running out of ideas
05:06
<cyberorg>
Penberthy, try restarting portmap, nfs, dhcp, empty /tmp/* init 3 and init 5
05:07
<Penberthy>
you want me to delete everything out of tmp
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05:10
<Penberthy>
guess I'll try now
05:10* ogra totally forgot that the old ltsp used DNS extensively ... might be another potential beraking point
05:10
<ogra>
*breaking
05:12
<Penberthy>
dont mention that
05:12
I hate DNS
05:13
is there a preconfigured new one I can download
05:13
<ogra>
thats fiddly on fedora
05:13
<Penberthy>
I really dont feel like spending hours fixing this or configuring something else
05:14
<ogra>
the core idea of ltsp5 is that the distros implement it using distro packages, that has only happened on (k,ed,x)ubuntu (main development), debian and in a basic version in opensuse
05:14
redhat/fedora hasnt made ay attempt yet
05:14
<Penberthy>
I dont mind using a different distro of linux
05:14
just as log as it works
05:15
<ogra>
we have ubuntu and debian tarballs, but setting them up on fedora takes some time and extra work on the server side
05:15
<Penberthy>
and its not MICROSOFT
05:15
<ogra>
then take edubuntu
05:15
its what k12ltsp was two years ago ... the reference implementation of a default set up ltsp server
05:17
<Penberthy>
so I can run this just like a k12
05:17
with out a lot of configuring
05:17
<ogra>
right
05:18
<Penberthy>
sounds good
05:18
downloading now
05:18
<ogra>
if your server has a two NIC setup its set up completely for you, with a single NIC you need to adjust the IP data in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf and are done
05:19
<Penberthy>
nope got 2 nics
05:21
wow its one cd
05:21
<cyberorg>
edubuntu is great for ltsp5, it works out of box, even in vmware :)
05:23
<Penberthy>
well this is my chance to show the president that open source is better than microsoft
05:24
<ogra>
Penberthy, if you want all the edu apps, grab the addon cd as well
05:25
<Penberthy>
I dont need no education apps
05:25
<ogra>
ah, k ... i though you did since you took k12 :)
05:26
<Penberthy>
simple solutions
05:26
I am the IT guy of a small call center and just tryin to get rid of windows and a faster and more reliable network, sick of getting bugged on my days off
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05:28
<ogra>
Penberthy, remove the edubuntu-artwork package after install and install ubuntu-desktop then :) edubuntu is really for kids/schools and the desktop shows that :)
05:28
<Penberthy>
right
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05:29
<Penberthy>
I'm just going to be putting our company logo on the background
05:29
<ogra>
(you could also use ubuntu and install ltsp on top with twoi commands and some (not much) more manual work)
05:29
!ubuntu
05:29
<ltspbot>
ogra: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
05:29
<ogra>
(see the quick install guide)
05:29
ltsp5 is trivial to set up
05:30
<Penberthy>
and thats why I dont mind the school look
05:30
<ogra>
well, the icons are quite cartoonish and the coloscheme is very colorful :)
05:31
<Penberthy>
see I'm almost know nothing bout linux, mostly just windows. I can set up a windows TS in like less then 5 min
05:31
but of course so can my girlfriend with a little help
05:32
<ogra>
right, similar for ltsp5 :) two packages to install, one command to run ...
05:32
<Penberthy>
no GUI though
05:32
<ogra>
woprking on it
05:32
<Penberthy>
good to here
05:32
<ogra>
http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/LTSPManager/
05:32
<Penberthy>
I'm a straight GUI guy
05:33
<ogra>
and there is the thin-client-manager (installed by default in edubuntu) to control ltsp sessions (lock screen, log out users etc)
05:33
<Penberthy>
well I just need to have login control and web site restrictions
05:34
when is ltsp man coming out
05:34
<ogra>
its still a mockup ...
05:34
<Penberthy>
oh
05:34
<ogra>
not sure yet if i manage to add some features before the next ubuntu release
05:35
if so, that would be in october
05:35
but its more likely you will see it in the april release
05:35
<Penberthy>
right, well in november, we're moving to a bigger call center and I'll be using real thin clients and may have to run a TS
05:35
<ogra>
especially since that one will be a long term support release again
05:39
did you ever think about using asterisk through thin clients for your callcenter ?
05:40
we dont have capturing on by default in ltsp, but since the clients use alsa for sound that should be easy to set up
05:45
<Penberthy>
I'm going to be using it for my phone server
05:45
but using hard phones
05:46
while I still got you here
05:46
I have some computers that aren't pc99 standard or a network card without a boot rom
05:47
<ogra>
check out rom-o-matic.net
05:47
(or .com, not sure)
05:47
<Penberthy>
whats the best and easiest way for diskless boot
05:47
that site doesnt have the cards that I have
05:47
<ogra>
thats bad thenm
05:47
<Penberthy>
well thats like 6 of my machines that are down
05:47
<ogra>
you can either use PXE or etherboot for netbooting ...
05:48
<Penberthy>
well I still need a HD to network boot
05:48
<ogra>
if you dont get a rom for a non-PXE NIC you cant use etherboot indeed ....
05:48
<Penberthy>
and the best place to get a "preconfigured" etherboot
05:49
<ogra>
rom-o-matic
05:49
i wouldnt know any other site ... probably the HW manufacturer offers a rom ... no idea
05:49
<Penberthy>
well noting that none of my nics that are in the other machines are not on that list
05:50
<ogra>
but given the price for a PXE capable card, i'd rather buy 6 new NICs than investion manhours
05:50
<Penberthy>
right
05:50
<ogra>
*investing
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05:52
<Penberthy>
do you know any place to get them cheap
05:53
<ogra>
ebay ?
05:53
<Penberthy>
lol
05:53* ogra usually buys at the discounter next door
05:53
<Penberthy>
wish we had one
05:53
Utah sucks for used part stores
05:54
<ogra>
we have one edubuntu dev in reno ...
05:54
he probably knows places (but isnt around atm i think)
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06:55
<vlt>
Hello. I have a client with a nic identified by `lspci` as "00:0b.0 Ethernet controller: Davicom Semiconductor, Inc. 21x4x DEC-Tulip commpatible 10/100 Ethernet (rev 40)", `lspci -n` returns "1282:9102". I tried etherboot images "davicom9102", "dmfe9102" and "tulip1282:9102" but don't get a DHCP offer. The card works ok with kernel 2.6. Any idea what to try next?
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<ogra>
otavio, !
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07:11
<otavio>
ogra: hi :-)
07:11
ogra: how've been?
07:11
<ogra>
well, so so ...
07:11
how good are your debconf skills ?
07:12
i'm looking for some help with the udeb and my head explodes if i try to wrap it around the tons of redirects that are needed for proper progress reporting
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07:12
<otavio>
more or less
07:12
for debootstrap step?
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07:13
<ogra>
do you gusy have something different in debian or do you use the plain udeb that does the two step progress ?
07:13
(the one we have in ubuntu)
07:13
<otavio>
ltsp udeb, i got it
07:13
i wanna know what step you want to make progress
07:13
<ogra>
ours installs ltsp-server-standalone and jumps to 50%
07:13
right
07:14
then it calls ltsp-build-client in /target and if thats done it jumps to 100%
07:14
thats very ugly and unresponsive
07:14
<otavio>
yes
07:14
<ogra>
what i try to achieve is to pipe the output of ltsp-build-client to a fifo and then raise the progress for every line of output
07:14
<otavio>
you would probably want to change ltsp-build-client to call run-debootstrap that is implemented for bootstrap-base udeb
07:15
<ogra>
ah
07:15
i tried with the in-target stuff from d-i
07:15
<otavio>
run-debootstrap makes it easy to use
07:15
<ogra>
the prob is that i have a debconf frontend running in d-i ...
07:15
<otavio>
yes
07:15
<ogra>
calling a chrooted subsequent apt-get breaks on this
07:15
<otavio>
but you can see how bootstrap-base does
07:15
<ogra>
will do, tanks a lot for the hint :)
07:16
<otavio>
ogra: if you need any other help, ping me
07:16
<ogra>
will do
07:16
<otavio>
ogra: it's part of base-installer
07:16
ogra: you can probably make ltsp depends of bootstrap-base and make it use it
07:16
ogra: so you avoid duplicated code
07:17
<ogra>
well, vagrant is hot on implementing ltsp-chroot at some point :)
07:17
<otavio>
ogra: and ltsp-build-client would need a wrapper to use it instead of debootstrap, directly
07:17
ltsp-chroot?
07:17
<ogra>
yeah
07:17
something like in-target :)
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07:36
<richguit>
ogra: a bit ago you talked about integrated ubuntu ltsp billing
07:37
<ogra>
richguit, nobody has contributed anything for that yet
07:37
<richguit>
where is the starting point?
07:37
<ogra>
thin-client-manager is prepared wit a plugin system for that ... if someone commits a plugin for billing i'll happily include it
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<BlackDark>
hi
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<BlackDark>
question about pulse and feisty
07:40
<ogra>
shoot
07:40
<BlackDark>
to enable the sound for firefox and flashplugin, do I just need to put FIREFOX_DSP="padsp" in the firefoxrc ?
07:40
<ogra>
no
07:40
see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdubuntuFAQ
07:40
dont touch firefoxrc
07:40
<BlackDark>
I was on hte point to ask about that howto http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/Feisty/HOWTO:_PulseAudio
07:41
<ogra>
dont touch that
07:41* ogra will never stop to wonder why people read novell documentation for setting up ubuntu boxes
07:42
<BlackDark>
:0
07:42
:)
07:42
<ogra>
feisty sets up everything for you, no need to touch anything but installing libflashsupport to circumvent the flash breakage
07:43
using these instructions can break your sound
07:45
<BlackDark>
that's i was afraid off
07:45
so I'd prefer to ask before doing so
07:45
<ogra>
good :)
07:46
the instructions for edgy of that set are good though ... but the feisty instructions clash with the installed stuff and settings (edgy had no pulse support at all, so there you cant break stuff)
07:46
<BlackDark>
btw, If I want to use skype on the thinclient, do I just need to use dadsp skype ?
07:47
<ogra>
hmm, capturing isnt supported yet out of the box ...
07:47
<BlackDark>
how complicated is to enable it ?
07:50
<ogra>
good question, i havent played with it yet
07:50
<BlackDark>
ok ok
07:51
in the novell howto, they enabled it, but it looks a bit crappy
07:51
I haven't tested it
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<ogra>
!s
08:11
<ltspbot>
ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
08:11
<sbalneav_>
Hmm
08:11
Trying to connect to my bip proxy at home
08:11
one sec.
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08:15
<sbalneav>
There, that's better
08:15
So, how's ogra today?
08:15
looking forward to Fix It Friday? :)
08:15
<dummy>
help: i would like to use ltsp and have the dhcp-server on another machine, with ubuntu apt-get ltsp-server (and not ltsp-server-standalone) is it possible and if yes howto?
08:16
<ogra>
sbalneav, sitt poking around in debconf
08:17
<sbalneav>
dummy: What kind of machine do you have the dhcpd on? Can you set parameters like root-path, and next-server?
08:17
<ogra>
dummy, configure the dhcpd for netbootig ... point the clients to the ubuntu server
08:17
<sbalneav>
k, one sec, let me switch back to gaim.
08:18
OK, in gaim now.
08:18
Couldn't figure it out, it was my home firewall that was blocking me from bip :)
08:20
<ogra>
heh
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08:30
<Blinny>
I'm planning for sharing /home to multiple locations over T1 connections. Is a TCP NFS the best way to do this? I'm trying to gather all the alternatives to begin doing some research.
08:39
<sbalneav>
TCP NFS would probably be one of the simplest
08:39
keep in mind that a T1's only 1.44 mbps
08:40
<Blinny>
Yeah, we we only have 18 of the 24 to play with
08:41
So we're 1.158mbps
08:41
(the rest are voice)
08:41
I'm am most concerned about stale locks when a user doesn't properly log off
08:43
Someone out there has to have done LTSP over multiple sites, allowing users to sit at any console at any site & see the same thing.
08:50
<cyberorg>
hi, i am trying to understand nbdswap, $DAEMON ${NBD_HOST[$i]} ${NBD_PORT[$i]} ${NBD_DEVICE[$i]} where do these variables come from?
08:53
<sbalneav>
Where are you looking at this? In the initramfs?
08:53
<cyberorg>
sbalneav, it is in /etc/init.d/nbd-client
08:53
where exactly nbdswap gets mounted?
08:53
<sbalneav>
from the initramfs
08:54
<cyberorg>
sbalneav, hmm, ok, where do i look? i have gutsy-ltsp bzr checkout
08:54
<sbalneav>
Those defaults would be set in something like /etc/defaults/nbd-server, but we don't use them
08:54
we start nbd-server from the nbdswapd script, which is run from inetd.
08:54
so nbd-server's just reading stdin
08:55
<cyberorg>
sbalneav, i created xinetd compatible one from that
08:56
<sbalneav>
client/initramfs/scripts/ltsp-nbd
08:56
xinetd <shudder>
08:56
<cyberorg>
sbalneav, http://tinyurl.com/2zd6zl
08:57
sbalneav, we have nbdroot working, i thought swap was done when client's init.d/
08:57
<sbalneav>
No, it's done fairly early on, in the initramfs, that way, if a clients got low ram, we can get swap going quickly
08:58
before we're too long into the boot process.
08:58
<cyberorg>
ok,so i need to ask kiwi devel to get that for us :)
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09:00
<cyberorg>
i was looking at client side scripts, do server side ones look OK?
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<sbalneav>
Seem to be, from a quick glance
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<cliebow>
hoy! anyone around??
09:00
<cyberorg>
just path change, they are same as gutsy
09:00
hi cliebow :)
09:01
<cliebow>
Hi!!
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09:08
<sbalneav>
hey cliebow
09:10
<pablo-uy-mvd>
hi! how do setup autologin for my terminals? (ubuntu 7.04 and ltsp5)
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09:11
<sbalneav>
pablo-uy-mvd: Which version of LTSP are you running?
09:14
<ogra>
wheeeeee !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111
09:14
seems i got it !
09:14
<pablo-uy-mvd>
sbalneav: ltsp5
09:16
<Blinny>
Horray!
09:16
<sbalneav>
pablo-uy-mvd: What are you using for the server? Ubuntu?
09:17
<ogra>
sbalneav, <pablo-uy-mvd> hi! how do setup autologin for my terminals? (ubuntu 7.04 and ltsp5) ;)
09:17
he wants your ldm hack :)
09:17
<sbalneav>
ok, you'll need a patched ldm
09:17
!ldm
09:17
<ltspbot>
sbalneav: "ldm" is You can find the updated ldm that supports the LDM_DIRECTX parameter for bypassing ssh encryption at http://alburg.net/ldm
09:18
<sbalneav>
Then, on a per workstation level, you can set LDM_USERNAME and LDM_PASSWORD
09:18
<ogra>
you should update that with info about autologin :)
09:18
<sbalneav>
heh
09:18
ogra: you gonna be able to do a merge from my gutsy tree, and ltspfs-upstream, and push packages before Friday?
09:19
<ogra>
sbalneav, i have to :)
09:19* ogra dances around debconf ...
09:19
<ogra>
got it working :)))))
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<ogra>
full and proper progress reporting for the installer ... and ltsp-build-client and image compressing separated in two different progress windows ...
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09:27
<pablo-uy-mvd>
sbalneav: ok ive downloaded ldm patch from alburg.net/ldm but...where do i put that script? where do i set LDM_USERNAME LDM_PASSWORD?
09:27
ldm is a login manager like gdm?
09:29
<sbalneav>
yup
09:30
you'd back up the old /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/sbin/ldm, and then put the new one there. Make sure to mark it executable with chmod 755 ldm. Then, add the statements to your lts.conf file.
09:30
so, specify workstations by mac:
09:30
[00:11:22:33:44:55]
09:30
LDM_USERNAME=station1
09:30
LDM_PASSWORD=foo
09:31
[00:11:22:33:44:66]
09:31
LDM_USERNAME=station2
09:31
LDM_PASSWORD=goop
09:31
etc.
09:32
<pablo-uy-mvd>
sbalneav: ok great! but.. how do i tell X not to use gdm anymore and start using ldm ive just downloaed? remember im actually using gdm not ldm
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09:38
<ogra>
you shouldnt use gdm anyway :)
09:38
ltsp5 will default to ldm if you dont set SCREEN_xx in lts.conf
09:39
<pablo-uy-mvd>
ogra: ok thanks!
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09:44
<Gadi>
ogra: I licked that ssh+pam_mount problem yesterday. :) a bit hackish as usual, but seems to work :)
09:45
<ogra>
nice
09:45
with pam_mount actually ?
09:46
or did you work around that ?
09:46
<Gadi>
with pam_mount
09:46
<ogra>
nice
09:46
<Gadi>
yeah
09:46
thats one tricky module to get right
09:46
and even then, I had to do some sudo trickery
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10:10
<ogra>
vagrantc, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-Boston will you come ?
10:13
vagrantc, btw, solved my debconf probs :) i was digging way to deep for a solition ... the fix needs to go to 010-debconf-frontend :)
10:13
<vagrantc>
ogra: heh.
10:13
ogra: i will come if i can
10:13
<ogra>
noninteractive is simply the wrong frontend
10:14
then put yourself on the atendees list ...
10:14
<pablo-uy-mvd>
ogra: ive comenented my SCREEN_xx lines in lts.conf and now my termianls do not show anything afetr boot (no x)
10:14
it seems its not trying to use ldm
10:14
<ogra>
but you are sure you use ltsp5 ?
10:14
how did you install it ?
10:14
<pablo-uy-mvd>
yep it was configured to use gdm
10:15
i dont remember now but i think i used the quick ubuntu guide install
10:16
is tehre any other config setting i should look at to make ltsp use ldm?
10:16
<ogra>
can you throw your lts.conf to the pastebin ?
10:16
!pastebot
10:16
<ltspbot>
ogra: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
10:18
<ogra>
vagrantc, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36447/ we need to use passthrough all over ... then it works fine
10:18
even the chrooted apt-get just picks it up
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<ltsppbot>
"pablo_uy_mvd" pasted "lts.conf" (16 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/302
10:23
<pablo-uy-mvd>
ogra: ive pasted my lts.conf
10:24
<ogra>
X_MOUSE_DEVICE="/dev/psaxu" is wrong :)
10:24
(ps mice are autodetected anyway, no need to set either of the mouse options)
10:25
you deleted the default section it seems ...
10:25
the four bottom lines should go in it
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<mhterres>
hi
10:26
hey sbalneav
10:26
<sbalneav>
/bip help
10:27
<vagrantc>
ogra: passthrough works for installs outside of the udeb as well ?
10:27
ogra: passthrough appears to be undocumented in the manpages ... :(
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<pablo-uy-mvd>
ogra: sorry the deault section is there its missing in my paste :( but everithing else in the file is what ive pasted
10:28
<ogra>
vagrantc, yup, it behaves like noninteractive
10:28
<ltsppbot>
"pablo_uy_mvd" pasted "lts.conf" (18 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/303
10:29
<pablo-uy-mvd>
now ive pasted it complete :)
10:29
<ogra>
yup, i see
10:29
move the bottom lines up
10:29
<pablo-uy-mvd>
ok
10:29
<ogra>
apart from that i dont see why you wouldnt se ldm
10:29
*see
10:30
<vagrantc>
is ldm installed ?
10:30
dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l ldm
10:30
<ogra>
if he followed the quick install guide in ubuntu it must be
10:31
<vagrantc>
in theory, he wouldn't even be asking why ldm isn't working.
10:31
it's a trivial thing to check ...
10:31
<ogra>
in feisty its hardcodedd in LATE_PACKAGES
10:32
no way around getting it :)
10:32
err
10:32
*EARLY_
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10:33* vagrantc breakfasts
10:34
<cliebow>
ive got a weird one.. anyone else come across a network issue where xdmcp doesnt show a login screen on a few machines among a bunch of identical ones (only gray with x)
10:35
<Gadi>
cliebow: sounds like you maxed the number of greeters
10:36
<cliebow>
this is using kdm in 4.2
10:36
<ogra>
yeah, there is a setting for that in gdm.conf
10:36
oh
10:36
well, kdm.conf then ?
10:36* ogra is clueless about kde :)
10:36
<Gadi>
kdmrc
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10:37
<ogra>
i'm so ignorant :P
10:37
<cliebow>
i think that isa why i ended up in kdm..that greeters thing long ago
10:37* Gadi revels at the few opportunities to know something ogra does not
10:37
<ogra>
:)
10:38
<cliebow>
no way to see that in a log anywhere?
10:38
<Gadi>
ps -ale|grep kdm
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<Gadi>
or some such
10:39
<sbalneav>
/bip help
10:39
<cliebow>
trhe weird thing is all over the building ltsp works fine..except the 208 lab
10:39
<pablo-uy-mvd>
i did apt-get install ldm
10:40
<cliebow>
so it cant be greeter
10:40
<pablo-uy-mvd>
and apt downloaded it and installed ldm
10:40
<cliebow>
a gig uplink to it
10:40
(the 208 lab)
10:40
<ogra>
pablo-uy-mvd, in the chroot ? (dont install ldm on a normal system !)
10:41
<vagrantc>
!greyscreen
10:41
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "greyscreen" is No login, and only a grey screen? See http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Troubleshooting-GrayScreen
10:47
<pablo-uy-mvd>
ogra: ups ... how do i install ldm in the chroot?
10:47
ogra: terminals say "syntax error line 10 of lts.conf" is the line where i put the mac
10:47
<ogra>
sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install ldm
10:48
remove the spaces before the bracket
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<pablo-uy-mvd>
ogra: ive removed spaces but termianls still complain about syntax in line 10 of ltsconf
11:10
<ogra>
weird
11:10
you got a non empty default section now ?
11:11
<ltsppbot>
"pablo_uy_mvd" pasted "lts.conf" (22 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/304
11:11
<ogra>
sigh
11:11
please move the four lines from the bottom under default
11:11
you cant have an empty default section
11:13
and drop X_MOUSE_DEVICE="/dev/psaxu"
11:13
as well as X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL="PS/2"
11:13
they are defaults and only slow down your boot
11:13
(and there is no /dev/psaxu either)
11:14
<vagrantc>
also XKBLAYOUT
11:14
<ogra>
yeah
11:14
<vagrantc>
all caps
11:14
<ogra>
that shouldnt matter as much as the missing y :)
11:14
<vagrantc>
ogra: i'm pretty sure it's case sensitive
11:15
hmmm... though i haven't tried, i guess
11:15
<ogra>
but a missing letter is worse :=
11:15
:)
11:15
in any case
11:15
<vagrantc>
not any worse, neither will work :P
11:16
<ogra>
pablo-uy-mvd, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36451/
11:16
<vagrantc>
i stand corrected.
11:16
<ogra>
with the unused stuff removed and with proper syntax
11:17
<vagrantc>
getltscfg is case-insensitive
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<ogra>
i thought i heard something like that
11:17
but i never tested
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11:17* vagrantc just tested
11:17
<lns>
mmm...fresh toasted xchat
11:18* vagrantc prefers typing in lowercase
11:18
<ogra>
lns, smells a bit like hot plastic
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<ltsppbot>
"pablo_uy_mvd" pasted "lts.conf" (16 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/305
11:32
<pablo-uy-mvd>
ogra: now terminals dont conplain about syntax but. still no x
11:33
also no greyscreen only.. a deep ..black
11:36
<ogra>
which release is that ?
11:37
feisty ?
11:37
<pablo-uy-mvd>
ogra: 7.04
11:37
<ogra>
yeah
11:37
hmm
11:38
<Gadi>
perhaps its a slow thin client
11:38
try waiting :P
11:38
<ogra>
does draco7 exist on the server
11:38
and does he use draco7 as PW as well ?
11:39
comment out the LDM_USERNAME and LDM_PASSWORD lines and see if ldm comes up then
11:40
i dont think its supposed to show anything if its on autologin
11:43
<Gadi>
is he using my ldm mod?
11:43
the python one?
11:43
<ogra>
seems like
11:43
<Gadi>
then, yeah, if LDM_USERNAME is set, it bypasses the greeter
11:43
<ogra>
in any case he should first make sure it works with the default setup before putting in hacks ;)
11:44
thats what i'm trying to achieve atm to have a base
11:44
<Gadi>
thats Rule #1 of the Hacking Guide Book
11:44
;)
11:44
<ogra>
yeah
11:44
<Gadi>
Rule #2 is "If it aint broke, try harder"
11:50
<pablo-uy-mvd>
ogra: user draco 7 exists on the server and has a password . i removed LDM_USERNAME and PS but ldm doesnt show
11:51
<ogra>
set SCREEN_07=ldm in the default section and see if its shows up then ... else something is really really broken
11:51
<pablo-uy-mvd>
Gadi: im using the pthyton one
11:52
<Gadi>
pablo-uy-mvd: on the server, try: ls -l /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/sbin/ldm
11:52
perhaps you simply need to chmod 755
11:52
<ogra>
heh, roght
11:52
right
11:52
he copied scotties binary
11:52
after downloading it :)
11:52
indeed
11:52* ogra slas forehead
11:53
<ogra>
*slaps as well
11:53
<pablo-uy-mvd>
root@labs-lts-pasillo:~# ls -l /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/sbin/ldm
11:53
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 10130 2007-09-05 11:33 /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/sbin/ldm
11:53
<ogra>
Gadi, btw, will we see you at UDS ?
11:53
<Gadi>
ogra: already added myself to the Attendees page
11:53
:D
11:53
<ogra>
ah, i didnt look :)
11:54* Gadi looks forward
11:54* ogra too
11:54
<Gadi>
we should organize a tour of the Sam Adams plant
11:54
er, brewery
11:54
:)
11:54
during Oktoberfest, no less!
11:55
what a great time to be in Boston
11:55
<ogra>
++
11:55* ogra loves sam adams
11:55
<Gadi>
our relationship is purely platonic
11:57
<lns>
dude
11:57
sam adams! I have 4 of their seasonal beers in my entertainment center
11:57
<3
11:57* vagrantc audits the entire codebase for dash/bash inconsistancies with the echo builtin
11:59
<ogra>
just default to dash
11:59
<vagrantc>
defaulting to dash only works around the problem
11:59
<ogra>
why making it harder than it needs to be ?
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11:59
<vagrantc>
unless we use #!/bin/dash
11:59
<ogra>
nah, indeed we wont
12:00
<vagrantc>
then defaulting to dash merely hides the problem
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12:00
<ogra>
well, using bash is the worst shell you can pick for the purpose
12:01
<vagrantc>
i don't disagree
12:01
never-the-less, it is not an uncommon thing for /bin/sh to point to bash, and if we use #!/bin/sh we need to handle that properly.
12:01
<Gadi>
ah, but those lovely bashisms...
12:01
<ogra>
yummy
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<ogra>
well, not sure echo -e is even near POSIX
12:02
or backslashed control chars
12:03
<vagrantc>
yes, i think
12:03
"echo -e" is a bash-ism
12:03
<ogra>
right
12:03
<vagrantc>
as a builtin
12:03
/bin/echo behaves like bash
12:03
<ogra>
hrm
12:04* ogra doesnt like the path in there ...
12:04
<vagrantc>
i *think* the only case where there's a problem is with "echo -e"
12:05
unless there's a shell that doesn't have an echo builtin
12:05
that's allegedly /bin/sh compatible
12:05
if you want to start talking POSIX, dash isn't even compliant, though :P
12:07
<ogra>
woah, ion3 moved to a nonfree license ?
12:07
<vagrantc>
yeah
12:07
<ogra>
how evil
12:07
<vagrantc>
i've been looking for an alternative since february, since upstream is crazy
12:07* ogra just noticed it was dumped into multiverse in ubuntu
12:08
<cyberorg>
hi "# try to get swap from the server if we dont have enough ram (less than 48M)" so does that mean swap is not required for RAM > 48 MB?
12:08
<ogra>
cyberorg, swap isnt needed with > 64M
12:08
<vagrantc>
unless you have insanely high resolution and color depth
12:09
<ogra>
but the system wont boot with less than 48M if you dont have swap in initramfs already
12:09
<cyberorg>
ogra, does swap give better performance even with more ram?
12:09
<ogra>
48M is the magical threshold for the ubuntu kernel
12:09
swap drags down your performance
12:09
better to have enough ram
12:10
but its a workaround to not loose data (if the client runs out of mem it will hardlock)
12:10
this 48M will totally differ by distro
12:10
<vagrantc>
sutula: i am clueless with your XKBLAYOUT problem
12:10
<cyberorg>
it won't help if client started off with more than threshold ram
12:10
<ogra>
debian might boot with 36, who knows
12:11
cyberorg, thats all abut booting
12:11
<cyberorg>
yeah, so if client ran out of ram later, swap will not be available any way
12:12
let me check how much memory is used here
12:12
<ogra>
its an automatic swap function to make the thing boot at all, vs the manual NBD_SWAP from lts.conf
12:13
you can add more swap via ts.conf
12:13
*lts.conf
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<cyberorg>
http://pastebin.ca/raw/682603 how does it look?
12:16
so swap from lts.conf is different and mounted after initrd is done?
12:17
<ogra>
swap from initramfs presists
12:17
*persists
12:17
and other swap is added up
12:17
<cyberorg>
it is not another mount?
12:18
<ogra>
its another nbd device and a separae swapon command
12:18
*separate
12:18
nbd0 is the rood fs
12:18
nbd1 is (if needed ) boot swap
12:18
nbd2 (if nbd1 is used) will be for another swap then
12:19
the kernel doesnt care if it has 100 swap partitions or one fro the overall amount of swap
12:19
it just adds up
12:19
<cyberorg>
yeah
12:19
<ogra>
if you create the swapfiles in a ramfs on the server it starts to get intresting ;)
12:20
<cyberorg>
so it is not necessary to have swap at all if the thin clients are 64MB, even with the usage you see on pastebin?
12:20
<ogra>
since the you have prtty fast access so swapping starts to become a work option instead oif a rescue option
12:20
right
12:21
minimal stuff we need or booting in ubuntu is 48M .... recommended minimal is 64M, recommended standard is 128M
12:21
<cyberorg>
i feel relieved, we can work on this later then, if there are some exotic hardware with less than 64 MB ram :)
12:21
<ogra>
there is a lot of ths HW
12:21
sadly
12:21
thats why i added that swap thing
12:22
there are many 32M clients in the world
12:23
<cyberorg>
would the memory usage increase once client is logged in?
12:23
<Lumiere>
ogra: can't you detect that
12:23
and fall back to something like fvwm
12:23
that doesn't eat the memory so hard
12:24
<ogra>
Lumiere, for booting ?
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<Lumiere>
ogra: booting linux takes 48M now?
12:26
<ogra>
with initramfs udev etc, yes
12:27
well, 36M
12:27
<Lumiere>
ah
12:27
<ogra>
but depending on the amount of shared video ram that varies indeed
12:27
you ave to add that up
12:27
*have
12:27
<lns>
ogra, does video swap go over nfs if lts.conf has nfsswap=true?
12:28
<ogra>
there is no nfsswap in ltsp5
12:28
<lns>
i saw that as default yesterday in ubuntu
12:28
<ogra>
NBD_SWAP is what we use
12:28
<lns>
oh.. lts.conf has the option there in feisty
12:28
sorry, yeah nbd_swap
12:28
<ogra>
:)
12:28
<lns>
=)
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<ogra>
no, thevide ram has to come from the HW
12:29
*the video ram
12:29
<lns>
so is it just an obsolete option in lts.conf?
12:29
<ogra>
?
12:29
<lns>
lemme paste it.. i just installed ubuntu feisty server+ltsp yesterday
12:29
<ogra>
NBD_SWAP adds a networked system swap partition
12:29
<lns>
right
12:29
<ogra>
but that wont help the video ram in any way
12:30
<lns>
ok maybe i'm misunderstanding then.. if the client is >64mb, do we need NBD_SWAP at all?
12:30
<ogra>
no
12:30
<lns>
or would it be beneficial to disable it
12:30
ok
12:30
<ogra>
it doesnt do harm
12:30
<lns>
oh, ok
12:31
just kinda overflow then?
12:31
<ogra>
its a nice safety net if your users suddenly have FF open with 200 tabs full of graphics and animations :)
12:31
but for normal operation you are fine with 64M without swap
12:31
<lns>
gotcha. I'll re-enable it then. =p elementary school students are fun to test things on
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<cyberorg>
hmm, i am almost done implementing nbdswap
12:35
does this look OK? http://pastebin.ca/682637
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<ogra>
looks good
12:38
dont forget you need the server side as well :)
12:39
<cyberorg>
ogra, http://tinyurl.com/2zd6zl
12:39
there is nbdswapd and xinet.d config for that
12:39
<ogra>
oh, it works right away ?
12:40
thats great
12:40
<cyberorg>
ogra, donno :(
12:40
<ogra>
ah, k
12:40
<cyberorg>
those are gutsy files, just modified path and mktemp instead of tempfile command you have
12:41
and inetd config ported to use xinetd
12:41
<ogra>
well, i see no reason why it shouldnt work
12:41
<cyberorg>
i've just got my laptop as a client to test, so donno if it will work
12:41
<ogra>
add MEM=32M to your pxe config to test it ;)
12:42
<cyberorg>
yeah, that is one way, i'll borrow someone's hardware, that is another :)
12:42
or vmware with 32 mb ram?
12:42
<ogra>
well, the MEM option is faster ;)
12:42
should work as well, yes
12:42
<cyberorg>
cool
12:45
i am amazed at the kind of development copy/paste method can do without any real development knowledge
12:45
<ogra>
:)
12:45
thats a way to learn it :)
12:45
the more you copy together the more you understand
12:45
simply because you still need to put the glue in place
12:46
so you need to roughly understand whats going on
12:49
<cyberorg>
irc rocks ;)
12:49
<ogra>
:)
12:51
<cyberorg>
but i am mad that you guys didn't make it even easier :D
12:51
<ogra>
we try to keep it easily adaptable
12:51
<cyberorg>
may be i should document step by step what is required
12:52
<ogra>
so that the code doesnt get to distro specific
12:52
that makes it more complicated indeed
12:52
<cyberorg>
i'll do a how to later
12:52
<ogra>
the first build script we had was 100 lines of monolithic shellscript :)
12:52
and 50 for the ltsp-client initscript or so
12:53
<cyberorg>
ogra, we have to work on Xsession path change according to suse, so we'll be sending that patch soon
12:53
for LDM2
12:53
<ogra>
you just see the results of two years with growing several heads :)
12:53
<cyberorg>
it is in /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession
12:53
<ogra>
we should make that configurable in an ldm.conf at some point
12:54
then every distro can just ship its own config file
12:54
redhat does have the sme path afaik
12:54
*same
12:54
<cyberorg>
ogra, if it is transparent it is better, no configuration options for something that can be autodetected
12:55
<ogra>
but you cant autodetect it
12:55
well, you roughly can via ldminfod
12:55
we could add something like that
12:55
<cyberorg>
ogra, we can detect lsb release
12:55
<ogra>
thats what i just thought :)
12:55
<cyberorg>
and have function that does some ifs
12:55
<ogra>
even though that might be a security issue
12:56
<cyberorg>
how?
12:56
<ogra>
ldminfod is pretty open ... thats ok as long as you cant access any sensible info
12:56
<cyberorg>
why didnt you guys use snmp?
12:56
<ogra>
i.e. if you connect to it, it will drop out the return of locales -a and the list of available session
12:57
and close the session immediately
12:57
because that opens an extra port
12:57
and froces you to maintain extra configuration
12:57
<cyberorg>
ldminfod doesn?
12:57
<ogra>
feel free to use it in suse :)
12:57
it does, but its totally restricted
12:58
<cyberorg>
nope, not thinking about using it :) it would be way above my head
12:58
<ogra>
and its a 20 line script ...
12:58
compared to a snmp setup ...
12:58
<cyberorg>
that i may be able to understand ;)
12:59
<sutula>
ogra: Do you know what part of the world (timezone) vagrantc is in?
12:59
<ogra>
we should just dump a default session parameter int ldminfod
12:59
sutula, US west coast
12:59
<sutula>
ogra: thanks
13:00
<ogra>
and ldminfod should iterate over the known defaul locations for a default session
13:00
and return the first one it finds
13:00
thats better than telling hackers what OS and version you run ;)
13:02
<cyberorg>
i guess,ltsp runs in secure intranet, so hackers are outside the corporate/school firewalls
13:02
<ogra>
lol
13:03
students are the heviest hackers
13:03
*heaviest
13:03
imagine having on screen exams in a thin client classroom
13:04
and use XDMCP there ... and have someone roughly knowing something about X redirecting from an article he read last week :)
13:04
he'll open Xnest and attch to the client of his neighbor :P
13:05
or capture keystrokes and screenshots from the netwrok traffic :)
13:05
<cyberorg>
lol, yeah, in most training session a lot of pranks can be played
13:05
<ogra>
with the capturing tool his linux buddy wrote for him
13:06
the *most* hackers you will meet are in your LAN ... not the script kiddies out there that bump stolen viruses around :)
13:08
<cyberorg>
even with ltsp5 using ssh it is possible to these kinds of things?
13:08
<ogra>
no
13:09
thats been the main reason to start ldm :)
13:09
it is possible with the LDM_DIRECTX option now though ...
13:09
but at least your password goes over the net encrypted with that
13:10
if you want full security, dont use LDM_DIRECTX :)
13:10
<klausade>
ogra: on what kind of hardware would you say it's necessary to use LDM_DIRECTX?
13:10
<ogra>
http://www.disklessworkstations.com/cgi-bin/web/200110.html?id=WBir4DH8
13:10
definately
13:11
its a matter of cpu power ... with > 300MHz you should be fine for encrypted ssh
13:13
<klausade>
400MHz with 64MB ram, shouldn't need LDM_DIRECTX? or would I notice any speed gain using LDM_DIRECTX on that machine?
13:13
<ogra>
not for normal operations i guess
13:13
if you want to use mplayer and the like LDM_DIRECTX is a must
13:14
many fast moving pics ...
13:15
anyway, 10h of work is enough ...
13:16* ogra calls it a day
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<cyberorg>
i gotta go too, thanks ogra :)
13:17
<ogra>
ciao
13:17
<cyberorg>
'night
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<lns>
Any chance session 'metacity' is removed in gutsy? Seems fairly pointless to have it there.
13:54
(ldm)
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<Gadi>
lns: ldm grabs its sessions from the server
14:02
so, its only there because your server has a metacity session available
14:02
<lns>
oooh ok! =)
14:02
thanks!
14:04
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: so, you moved ldm from /usr/sbin to /usr/bin ... ?
14:05
<sbalneav>
Yeah
14:05
Since it's compiled, it shouldn't be in /usr/sbin
14:05
<vagrantc>
?
14:05
<sbalneav>
Have I got an absolute path somewhere?
14:05
Well, it's not statically linked.
14:05
<vagrantc>
client/ltsp_config
14:06
that's not sbin
14:06
<sbalneav>
Well, that's an included file
14:06
<vagrantc>
/usr/sbin : Non-essential standard system binaries
14:06
<sbalneav>
Really?
14:06
<vagrantc>
yes
14:07
that's why it's in root's path, but not your average user's path
14:07
<sbalneav>
Man I must be old, used to be that anything in sbin or /usr/sbin was supposed to be statically linked.
14:07
<vagrantc>
at any rate, it'll cause the default SCREEN_07 to be startx instead of ldm
14:08
well, according to the FHS, got nothin to do with that anymore
14:08
<sbalneav>
heh, one of these days, I should sit down and read the LFS
14:08
err, fhs
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<sbalneav>
heh, yeah, I keep relying on my 20+ year old knowldege, which does me dirt sometimes.
14:08
<vagrantc>
at least, when moving files around based on where they should go
14:09
<sbalneav>
ok, I'll change the install file back
14:09
wait
14:09
did I change the binary, or the screen script?
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav: as far as i could tell, all you changed was where it gets installed
14:10
<sbalneav>
right, in ldm.install.
14:10
<vagrantc>
revision 457
14:11
<sbalneav>
Pushin'
14:11
man, that's gonna be tough to get used to. :)
14:11
<vagrantc>
what?
14:11
<sbalneav>
it not being statically linked.
14:12
20 year habit to break :)
14:12
20+!
14:12
Got my first Unix account back in 1985!!
14:12
It was on a Vax!
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<vagrantc>
i thought vax wasn't unix
14:13
<sbalneav>
With a REAL vt100 terminal! :)
14:13
Vax's could run either Unix or VMS
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<vagrantc>
ah, got it
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<vagrantc>
so, i tried NBD+squashfs with no luck
14:14
<sbalneav>
ok, pushed back up
14:15
sorry for that.
14:15
<vagrantc>
(without the unionfs)
14:15
<sbalneav>
No?
14:15
What didn't work?
14:15
<vagrantc>
so it still could be squashfs that's buggy
14:15
sbalneav: hung after starting init
14:15
or it could be NBD
14:16
<sbalneav>
Hmm, well, Wouter's a DD, so I'd expect that nbd should work good in Debian.
14:16
<vagrantc>
with nbd+squashfs+unionfs it would hang somewhere early in the boot process, though not always the same place.
14:16
yeah, i talked with wouter a bunch at debconf7
14:16
<sbalneav>
Wonder if you could do a quick bit of hackery, and make an ext2fs rather than a squash, share that out.
14:16
That would isolate the problem.
14:16
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: yeah, that was the next step to try ...
14:17
<sbalneav>
brb, workping...
14:17
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: oh, "-C /dev/null" doesn't work on debian
14:17
for nbdrootd and nbdswapd
14:18
i don't think the option even exists on debian's nbd
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<lns>
REALLY stupid question...Where are ldm sessions stored? Aren't they in /etc/X11/Xsession.d ?
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<sbalneav>
back
14:30
vagrantc: what version of nbd's in Debian?
14:30
lns: You mean, the session that it starts up?
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<lns>
sbalneav, no, the list of sessions - i want to take metacity out as an option in ldm
14:31
<sbalneav>
it gets that information from ldminfod
14:31
You'd have to modify it.
14:31
<lns>
oh
14:33
<Gadi>
lns: update-alternatives --list x-window-manager
14:33
<lns>
Gadi, awesome. ;) thank you
14:33
<Gadi>
np
14:33
<sbalneav>
yeah, you only want probably x-session-manager.
14:33
<Gadi>
or just remove it
14:34
with update-alternatives
14:34
<lns>
yea...metacity just gives me a blank screen. I'm sure the students will eventually try it out =p
14:34
<sbalneav>
Uh, you wouldn't want to remove metacity
14:34
<Gadi>
unless, well that might be bad
14:34
:)
14:34
<sbalneav>
that would make gnome be bad.
14:34
<Gadi>
yeah, best to edit: /usr/sbin/ldminfod
14:34
<lns>
directly? ok
14:34
<Gadi>
and remove x-window-manager from the for list
14:34
its python
14:35
<sbalneav>
right.
14:35
Hmmm, how could we make that better, I wonder.
14:35
<lns>
now if i can just get my ssh session to the district to behave for more than 2 min
14:35
<Gadi>
sbalneav: was that just to get icewm?
14:35
<sbalneav>
I mean, you want window managers to list, so that something like icewm will list
14:35
right.
14:35
I'm wondering if we could set a blacklist
14:36
<Gadi>
nah
14:36
<sbalneav>
do don't include things like metacity that are clearly part of gnome
14:36
<Gadi>
I would just have the user add icewm as an alternative for x-session-manager
14:36
that would be the 'proper way'
14:36
;)
14:37
<sbalneav>
Problem is, you'd have to change a lot of packages that way.
14:37
<Gadi>
or just make it a manual step for the sessions that dont
14:37
<sbalneav>
I'm sure things like twm, windowmaker, enlightenment, etc, all list under "window" instead of "session"
14:37
<lns>
i would think that if the admin is smart enough to want a different wm they could figure it out, but to have metacity in there by default is just looking for trouble
14:38
<sbalneav>
I'd tend more towards a blacklist.
14:38
exclude metacity and kwin
14:39
<Gadi>
and beryl
14:39
<sbalneav>
right.
14:39
<Gadi>
...
14:39
but, with a blacklist, you have to anticipate a whole lot
14:40
if something should be managed as a session, it should be added to x-session-manager
14:40
imho
14:41
<sbalneav>
Problem is, icewm ISNT a session manager: you can't save a session. It's a pure window manager.
14:41
either way, you'd have problems.
14:41
<Gadi>
update-alternatives --list x-session-manager
14:41
/usr/bin/icewm-session
14:41
/usr/bin/gnome-session
14:41
seems it is on my machine
14:42
<sbalneav>
hm
14:42
<Gadi>
well, or at least it can be
14:42
if you use icewm-session
14:42
<sbalneav>
Yeah, but did you add icewm-session yourself?
14:42
<Gadi>
nope
14:42
<sbalneav>
Or does that ship with icewm?
14:42
<Gadi>
I think it ships with icewm-session
14:42* Gadi checks
14:43
<sbalneav>
hm, yep, comes with icewm
14:44
<Gadi>
beat me to it
14:44
<sbalneav>
Actually, ogra wanted better mappings between names and sessions anyway.
14:45
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: 2.8.7-4 in etch/stable, 2.8.7-5 in lenny/testing, 2.9.6-2 in sid/unstable
14:45
<sbalneav>
You shouldn't be selecting "/usr/bin/gnome-session", you should select "Gnome Desktop" or "KDE desktop", etc.
14:45
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: i've only tested with the verison in lenny
14:45
<Gadi>
right
14:46
<sbalneav>
vagrantc: ah, I think Wouter came up with the new, funkified config file in the 2.9 series.
14:47
So, that raises an interesting question: how do you detect between a version that NEEDS a command line option, and one that doesnt.
14:47
if nbd-client -C /dev/null; then
14:47
nbd-client oldway
14:47
fi?
14:47
sorry s/client/server
14:48
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: we could simply include a configuration file in the newer versions
14:49
sbalneav: and if you're running on an older version, the admin could simply comment out those options
14:49
<sbalneav>
That'd work.
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<sbalneav>
In the package, could we do something sneaky like check the version, and then create the config file appropriately? Or is that a packaging nono?
14:50
<vagrantc>
a little ugly ..
14:50
<sbalneav>
ver = dpkg -l | grep nbd | cut whatever
14:50
if ver = blah
14:50
options = foo
14:50
else
14:50
etc.
14:50
<vagrantc>
i'd rather avoid that ...
14:50
<Gadi>
sbalneav:
14:50
ls /usr/share/xsessions/
14:50
gnome.desktop IceWM.desktop matchbox.desktop
14:50
<sbalneav>
does seem ugly
14:51
<Gadi>
we can just grab the .dekstop files
14:51
and use those to get the friendly names
14:51
<vagrantc>
hmmm
14:51
<Gadi>
as well as the sessions
14:51
<sbalneav>
that'd work.
14:51
<Gadi>
SessionDesktopDir=/etc/X11/sessions/:/etc/dm/Sessions/:/usr/share/gdm/BuiltInSes
14:51
sions/:/usr/share/xsessions/
14:51
according to gdm.conf
14:51
those are the dirs it looks in
14:53
<sbalneav>
yeah, use name and exect.
14:53
s/t.$/./
14:53
<Gadi>
right - and you've got the localization already there
14:53
<sbalneav>
that'd be doable.
14:53
nice.
14:54
brb
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<sutula>
vagrantc: RE your comment earlier, "<vagrantc> [11:06] sutula: i am clueless with your XKBLAYOUT problem", I'm off to another meeting but will try to find you maybe tomorrow
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<jammcq>
ogra: ping
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<dniel>
hi. I am running the ltsp-build-client in Debian Lenny and it take a lot of time. It is normal?
16:08
It is ltsp 5
16:08
fernando150: hablas español?
16:09
alguien habla español?
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<jammcq>
ogra: ping
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<dniel>
jakobsg: hi. I am running the ltsp-build-client in Debian Lenny and it take a lot of time. It is normal?
16:19
<jammcq>
dniel: yes, I think it could take a very long time
16:19
does it look like it's really doing something?
16:20
<dniel>
jakobsg: yes
16:20
<jammcq>
it has to build a whole system inside a subdirectory
16:20
and it downloads the .deb packages to do that
16:20
so it can take a while, especially if you have a slow internet connection
16:21
<dniel>
jammcq: yes. Retriving and validating
16:21
jammcq: ok! thank!
16:22
jammcq: ltsp-5 does work in linux debian lenny?
16:22
<jammcq>
umm, I think so. vagrantc is the guy you need to talk to. he wrote it
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<dniel>
jammcq: okey. Thanks!
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vagrantc: hello, Are you here?
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<Gadi>
sbalneav: ping
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<lns>
Man, have I got a list for YOU guys. ;)
18:50
well...maybe not for you, but for me
18:50
ha
18:51
it sure seems that adobe has a stronghold over linux because of flash/shockwave
18:51
installing ff32 on a 64-bit server, serving 32-bit clients brings up an issue of not seeing any gnome printers
18:51
with no known solution
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<sbalneav>
I just install gnash
18:54
<lns>
anyone and everyone who wants to sign a petition for adobe to release a linux version of shockwave (pre-flash plugin) should go to http://www.petitiononline.com/linuxswp/ and sign the online petition
18:54
sbalneav, i tried that...it seems very buggy
18:54
at least a few months ago
18:54
<sbalneav>
Improving all the time.
18:54
<lns>
hmm
18:54
i'll try ti
18:54
it
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does it do shockwave itself? or just flash
18:55
<sbalneav>
Just flash
18:55
<lns>
oh
18:55
<sbalneav>
I've never needed shockwave.
18:55
<lns>
haha..me neither
18:55
but the district has this big website (all flash/shockwave enabled) and a lot of their study programs use shockwave
18:56
i'm having enough trouble getting flash sound over ltsp without having to deal with this too =p
18:56
somehow I don't think a lot of the people at the school really understood what thin clients were before they said yes to me converting them all to it ;)
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<sbalneav>
So, if they let you do this, change all the study programs to moodle.
18:57
that'll solve the problem.
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<lns>
moodle looks great, but i doubt they'd go for revamping their entire curriculum for it
18:59
they're shaky enough going to linux
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<Gadi>
sbalneav: still here?
19:23
<sbalneav>
Sure am
19:23
<Gadi>
I have something for you - lemme pastebot
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!pastebot
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<ltspbot>
Gadi: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
19:23
<sbalneav>
okiedokie
19:24
<ltsppbot>
"Gadi" pasted "code to parse session .desktop files" (21 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/306
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<Gadi>
In case you want to work it in ;)
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<sbalneav>
Cool!
19:26
Thanks!
19:26
<Gadi>
enjoy
19:26* Gadi always loves how small python scripts are
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<Gadi>
I figure you need to mod ldm a bit to accept the exec and the name
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but, that should be easy
19:27
in this code I just delimit them with a semicolon
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but you can mod that to taste
19:32
<sbalneav>
Super. We can't change anymore for gutsy, bit we can get this sexy for Hairy.
19:32
<Gadi>
hairy? is that for real?
19:33
<monteslu>
hard
19:33
<Gadi>
oh dont go there
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;)
19:34
<monteslu>
i actually lost some coffee through the nose reading that the first time
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then again, my eleven year old has a more mature sense of humor than I do
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<Gadi>
hairy hardon?
19:35
<monteslu>
hehehe
19:35
that's the one
19:35
<Gadi>
hardy heron
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oy
19:36
<monteslu>
thing is now you're gonna say it wrong in front of someone you didn't mean too :)
19:37
<Gadi>
i guess next we get Impotent Imp
19:37
<monteslu>
followed by jerkin jackrabbit
19:38
<Gadi>
somebody throw that man a Toy Story figure!
19:39
<monteslu>
does shuttleworth name the releases?
19:39
this last one has to be a joke
19:39
.. time to go home
19:39
<Gadi>
the man does have a sense of humor
19:40
<sbalneav>
:)
19:40
heading out for a walk with the missus
19:40
be back in a bit
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<jammcq>
hey kidz
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<dniel>
hello, why there aren't a good documentation of ltsp-5 for linux debian?
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only there are a few and bad :(
22:05
<vagrantc>
dniel: because nobody has written it?
22:05
<dniel>
vagrantc: yes :(
22:06
<vagrantc>
dniel: it has all been done by volunteers, and any improvements you could make would be welcome.
22:06
<sbalneav>
dniel: Check out the edubuntu handbook, the version in Ubuntu and Debian are close, and much of what you can find there will be applicable to the debian version.
22:06
<vagrantc>
most of it so far is on wiki.debian.org/LTSP which anyone can improve
22:07
<jammcq>
wow, there is life here
22:07
<sbalneav>
Hey jammcq
22:07
<dniel>
vagrantc: i see your nick in ltsp!
22:07
<vagrantc>
yes, i spend a fair amount of time in #ltsp
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like, right now, for example :)
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<dniel>
vagrantc: :)
22:08
<vagrantc>
dniel: so what are you having trouble with ?
22:08
<dniel>
vagrantc: i'm argentinian!
22:08
<sbalneav>
vagrantc: Anything we can do to get the docbook info in the edubuntu handbook into debian? Once I'm done this doco round, maybe we can pull out the ltsp bits, and make some general stuff that can be put on ltsp.org, and a package of doco in debian.
22:08
<ari_stress>
morning
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav: would love that
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<sbalneav>
Monring
22:09
<vagrantc>
dniel: voy a argentina por debconf8
22:10
<dniel>
vagrantc: no sabia que sabias hablar esañol :D
22:10
vagrantc: que bueno!
22:10
<vagrantc>
dniel: un poco, mas o menus
22:10
menos
22:10
heh
22:10
<sbalneav>
vagrantc: with the odd exception of the word "edubuntu" in there (i try to keep it to a minimum), it's fairly host-distro agnostic.
22:10
<dniel>
vagrantc: me cuesta hablar ingles. Solo me es facil leerlo, pero no escribirlo
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<vagrantc>
dniel: ah, si.
22:12
<dniel>
vagrantc: soy estudiante de la universidad nacional de cordoba. Trabajo ahi. Necesito hacer andar ltsp porque tenemos muchas pcs viejas a las cual le quiero dar uso
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vagrantc: we haven't many. We need to use a lot of old computers
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<vagrantc>
dniel: si, yo trabajo con un organizacion usa computadoras recicladas
22:13
dniel: http://freegeek.org
22:13
dniel: yes, i understood :)
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<dniel>
vagrantc: que bueno!!! :)
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http://freegeek.org/volunteer.php :)
22:14
vagrantc: me gusta todo ese tema!
22:14
<vagrantc>
dniel: espero visitar centros de LTSP en latino america
22:15
<dniel>
vagrantc: bueno, yo estoy muy interesado en el tema. Me entere de ltsp por un amigo y me encanto
22:15
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: so is there a revision control for the handbook stuff ... or a tarball ?
22:17
<dniel>
vagrantc: I need help!
22:17
<vagrantc>
dniel: ok, how can i help? :)
22:17
<dniel>
vagrantc: puedo hablarte en español? o te es dificil?
22:17
vagrantc: please!
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<vagrantc>
dniel: yo puedo tratar ... pero mi espanol es mui malo.
22:18
<dniel>
jaja! no!
22:18
<vagrantc>
dniel: necesito practicar ... entonces... :)
22:19
<dniel>
vagrantc: mi problema es que yo uso debian lenny. Debian lenny no trae "LTSP 4.2". Solo trae LTSP 5
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vagrantc: y practicamente no hay documentation
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<vagrantc>
dniel: si, si.:)
22:20
dniel: no mucho, no ... espero escribir mas :)
22:20
<dniel>
vagrantc: lei en varias webs que no anda bien.
22:20
<vagrantc>
dniel: pero, no necesita mucho documentation
22:21
LTSP5 es mui facil
22:21
<dniel>
vagrantc: si. lo que yo hice fue lo siguiente:
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vagrantc: seguí los pasos que se encuentran en http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Debian#Installing_LTSP_5_in_Debian_Etch
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vagrantc: but it dont work :(
22:23
vagrantc: debo ser yo el problema
22:23
vagrantc: the problem its me
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<vagrantc>
!debian
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "debian" is is a GNU/Linux based operating system that makes an excellent LTSP server. You can find it at http://www.debian.org. for information about LTSP on debian see http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP
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<vagrantc>
dniel: este documentacion es mejor
22:24
<dniel>
vagrantc: a ver!
22:25
<vagrantc>
dniel: no hay mucho, pero mas facil
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<dniel>
vagrantc: cuando pongo # ltsp-build-client --arch i386 tarda mucho tiempo
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<vagrantc>
dniel: si ... descarga mucho archivos
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<dniel>
vagrantc: entonces lo que hice fue: # ltsp-build-client --mirror file:///media/cdrom0 --extra-mirror http://http.us.debian.org/debian --security-mirror http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main --arch i386 --dist etch
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vagrantc: y coloque el cd de debian etch
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vagrantc: es correcto eso?
22:29
vagrantc: eso fue mucho mas rapido
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<vagrantc>
ltsp-build-client --mirror file:///media/cdrom0 --extra-mirror http://http.us.debian.org/debian --arch i386 --dist etch
22:30
esta bien
22:30
er.
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ltsp-build-client --early-mirror file:///media/cdrom0 --mirror http://http.us.debian.org/debian --arch i386 --dist etch
22:30
dniel: tengo un ... plugin"
22:31
dniel: tengo un ... "plugin" es bueno ... un momento
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<dniel>
vagrantc: ok!
22:32
<ltsppbot>
"vagrantc" pasted "copy-packages plugin" (22 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/307
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<vagrantc>
uso con: ltsp-build-client --early-mirror file:///media/cdrom0 --mirror http://http.us.debian.org/debian --arch i386 --dist etch --copy-package-cache
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<dniel>
vagrantc: pero que hace ese script?
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<vagrantc>
dniel: copiar a /etc/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/040-copy-package-cache
22:36
<dniel>
vagrantc: ah ok!
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<dniel>
vagrantc: en mi caso lo tengo en /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Debian/040-copy-package-cache
22:38
vagrantc: pero que funcion cumple ese plugin?
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<vagrantc>
dniel: esta bien
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<dniel>
vagrantc: cual es la funcion de ese plugin?
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<dniel>
vagrantc: luego de ejecutar esa linea, me creo en /opt/ltsp/i386 un linux el cual va a ser usado por los clientes
22:43
vagrantc: eso es correcto?
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<vagrantc>
dniel: ese plugin copiar /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb del server a los clientes ...
22:46
dniel: pero, no entiendo la pregunta ...
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<dniel>
vagrantc: mi pregunta es: lo que se encuentra en /opt/ltsp/i386, es un linux que van a ejecutar los clientes?
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<vagrantc>
jammcq: i can never remember my login or password information for wiki.ltsp.org ...
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dniel: en ingleis, por favor?
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<dniel>
vagrantc: the files locates in "/opt/ltsp/i386" are a linux wich will be executed by the clients?
22:53
<vagrantc>
dniel: ah, si :)
22:53
<dniel>
vagrantc: http://pastebin.ca/683359
22:55
vagrantc: this is my dhcpd.conf. Are there some mistakes?
22:55
vagrantc: because ltsp doesn't work
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<vagrantc>
dniel: cual version de ltsp ?
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<dniel>
vagrantc: ltsp-5
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<vagrantc>
dniel: dpkg -l ltsp* | egrep ^ii
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<dniel>
vagrantc: 5.0.8
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<vagrantc>
5.0.8debian3 ?
22:57
<dniel>
vagrantc: sip
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ltsp-server 5.0.8debian3
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<vagrantc>
dniel: dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l initramfs-tools
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<dniel>
Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
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| Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
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|/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
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||/ Name Version Description
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+++-==============-==============-============================================
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ii initramfs-tool 0.85h tools for generating an initramfs
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<ltsppbot>
Someone pasted "Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove" (6 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/308
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<vagrantc>
dniel: option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386";
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dniel: next-server 10.0.0.98;
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este vercion de initramfs-tools no puedo usar: option root-path "10.0.0.98:/opt/ltsp/i386";
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<dniel>
vagrantc: ahhhh
23:02
vagrantc: entonces solo uso option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386"?
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<vagrantc>
si
23:03
<dniel>
vagrantc: y la linea que dice: filename "/opt/ltsp/i386/boot/pxelinux.0";
23:03
es correcta?
23:03
<vagrantc>
dniel: tambien ... creo que mejor usa "dynamic dhcp" de configurar cada cliente
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dniel: no ... filename "/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0";
23:04
<dniel>
vagrantc: gracias!
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<vagrantc>
dniel: /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/examples
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<dniel>
vagrantc: y ahi puedo usar un boot diskette?
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<vagrantc>
!bootfloppy
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "bootfloppy" is http://etherboot.anadex.de or ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/Universal_boot_floppy
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<vagrantc>
dniel: prefero etherboot.anadex.de ...
23:08
<dniel>
vagrantc: muchas gracias por la ayuda que me estas dando. Aprecio mucho eso!
23:08
<vagrantc>
someone posted a bunch of really complicated, confusing and partially untrue stuff to: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Debian#Installing_LTSP_5_in_Debian_Etch
23:09
dniel: de nada :)
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<dniel>
vagrantc: la linea filename "/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0"; es si uno usa un diskette?
23:15
vagrantc: muchas gracias por la ayuda que me has dado! Estoy muy agradecido. Mañana me voy a poner a ver si lo puedo hacer andar.
23:15
vagrantc: me voy a dormir. Aqui es muy tarde
23:15
vagrantc: i go to sleep! ZzzZ
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<vagrantc>
dniel: buenas noches
23:16
<dniel>
vagrantc: mañana me volvere a conectar y te cuento como me fue
23:17
vagrantc: thanks!!! see you!
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:)
23:17
vagrantc: de donde eres? where are you from?
23:18
<vagrantc>
dniel: los estados unidos ... ahora, oregon
23:18
<dniel>
vagrantc: que bueno! me encantaria poder conocer.
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vagrantc: bye! i go to sleep!..
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