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Channel log from 26 January 2009   (all times are UTC)

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<pasmen>
hi
01:47
i just upgraded my chroot with upstream
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and rdesktop doesn't seem to support empty -u option after that
01:47
i saw the rdesktop screen script changed
01:48
now it shows '-f' as the username, as it's the first option after -u ""
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<pasmen>
hmm... when i remove the $xinitrc from the xinit command line, the -u "" option gets accepted
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<re-G>
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-users/2009-January/005058.html
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<pasmen>
I just found this thread about CD burning over rdesktop session
05:30
http://copilotconsulting.com/mail-archives/ltsp.2007/msg03166.html
05:30
anyone knows, if there is any work in progress for LTSP5?
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<six2one>
hey everyone, i noticed the wiki for updating the chroot was updated recenty...this was added "export LTSP_HANDLE_DAEMONS=false"
08:16
whats the consequence of that not being used?
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<six2one>
it says its so the server doesnt start its own daemons...what benefit does that hold over the way ive always been doing it (without that)
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<Gadi>
six2one: I believe the intent is to handle times when you install daemons in the chroot on the server - you don't want those daemons to be started after install
08:24
<six2one>
gadi: ahhhh....yea...that makes sense
08:24
<Gadi>
eg. if you install cron in the chroot, you do not want crond to start in the chrooted env
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<alkisg>
Gadi: in XS85-virtual, the lines `R_VERT=$(( $R_VERT + $VERTICAL )); R_HORIZ=$(( $R_HORIZ + $HORIZONTAL ))` are too aggresive, e.g. for 2 screens 800x600 the virtual size allocated would be 1600x1200. It would be better if it only kept the MAXimum of the $HORIZONTALs...
08:31
<Gadi>
alkisg: what if you rotate one screen?
08:31
or put one on top of the other?
08:31
<alkisg>
Does that change the virtual size?
08:31
<Gadi>
sure
08:32
this way, we cover all cases
08:32
<alkisg>
I don't know... but for more than 2 screens, the memory wouldn't suffice, I think
08:32
<Gadi>
then, specify your own X_VIRTUAL
08:32
<alkisg>
Right. ty!
08:32
<Gadi>
:)
08:33
more than 2 screens with a single video chip can get impractical very quickly
08:34
<alkisg>
BTW, I just tried your xrandr stuff... it's great! I got 1024x768x16@85 without creating a xorg.conf! :)
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<alkisg>
(with a minor hack about X_COLOR_DEPTH)
08:36
<Blinny>
Does LTSP use unionfs, aufs or openafs?
08:36
<Gadi>
yeah, I fixed the color depth thing and pushed upstream already
08:37
thx, btw
08:37
<alkisg>
np
08:37
<Gadi>
alkisg: did you use the xrandr for multihead yet?
08:37
<alkisg>
No, I didn't get a chance yet.
08:38
<Gadi>
ah - it gets more fun
08:38
:)
08:38
<alkisg>
Sure... It's just that I can only try it with my server as a client, I don't have any other dual head capable PCs... :P
08:38
<Gadi>
if you have a video chip that is XRANDR 1.2 - aware (like intel) it should work magically
08:39
ah, too bad
08:39
<alkisg>
I can try with my laptop, nvidia-based
08:39
It claims to support xrandr 1.2, but I think it's not fully compliant
08:39
<Gadi>
alkisg: well, if it doesnt work magically, it may work with just an X_VIRTUAL_ option
08:40
<alkisg>
I'll send you feedback whenever I get a chance to try it
08:40
<Gadi>
cool
08:41
btw - the intent was for X_COLOR_DEPTH to work as you described - just the code was wrong
08:41
:P
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<alkisg>
Heh! :)
08:41
<Gadi>
we just needed to make sure that if someone *specifies* their own xorg.conf AND X_COLOR_DEPTH that X_COLOR_DEPTH is ignored
08:42
otherwise it can get way confusing
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<sbalneav>
Morning all
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<alkisg>
Morning, sbalneav. Gadi, did you test this? Is it ignored if someone specifies a xorg.conf?
08:48
<Gadi>
alkisg: *my* fix does
08:48
it is not identical to your proposed
08:48
!s
08:48
<ltspbot`>
Gadi: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
08:48
<alkisg>
OK, the point is to get the job done... :P :D
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<alkisg>
Gadi, come to think of it, why should X_COLOR_DEPTH be ignored if the user entered both of them? `man xorg.conf` says that the user can override the default or specified depth in xorg.conf by the command line parameter -depth...
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<alkisg>
So, I could e.g. specify a xorg.conf to declare the keyboard layout, and still use X_COLOR_DEPTH
08:58
<Gadi>
alkisg: I am worried about it being inadvertent - because usually one specifies a xorg.conf in [<MAC>] and X_COLOR_DEPTH in [default]
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and params are inherited
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so, you would have to set: X_COLOR_DEPTH=none
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for it to use the xorg.conf param
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<alkisg>
As are all parameters, so if he wanted something different, he could override the default with X_COLOR_DEPTH=""
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<Gadi>
which just gets complicated
08:59
no
08:59
override would be X_COLOR_DEPTH=none
08:59
see, already it is a support nightmare
08:59
if they have a xorg.conf file, they should set color depth within it
09:03
<alkisg>
You're right. :)
09:14
<SDuensin>
Greetings.
09:18
<Appiah>
cool , that a slashdot article got tagged with LTSP
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<elisboa>
Appiah: have the link?
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<Appiah>
http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/01/25/1644249
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elisboa: ^
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<elisboa>
Appiah: thanks!
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<FuriousGeorge>
hey all
12:24
will terrible things happen if i upgrade my kubuntu 8.0.4 server to 8.1.0?
12:25
<johnny>
you'll want to regenerate the chroot after, but hopefully that is all
12:26
<FuriousGeorge>
we'll see how it goes with the sun-java6-bin .deb from ibex, and worst case scenario, i guess we'll have to upgrade
12:26* vagrantc suspects 8.04 and 8.10
12:27
<sbalneav>
FuriousGeorge: As always, a complete backup, and a good backout plan are minimum are always helpful in making sure upgrades go "according to plan"
12:27* Ryan52 suspects 8.04.2 and 8.10
12:27
<Ryan52>
:P
12:27
<vagrantc>
pfft.
12:28* vagrantc notes that two debian-oriented folks bothered to notice
12:29
<vagrantc>
is it even possible to run 8.04.1 or 8.04.0 without jumping through lots of hoops?
12:29
<johnny>
did they exist?
12:29
<sbalneav>
The rest of us just understood what FuriousGeorge meant, and didn't feel the need to correct. :)
12:30
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: fair enough...
12:30* vagrantc remembers the good old days of Debian Edgy and Ubuntu Etch
12:31
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: in case you haven't noticed, i seem to be the sort of person who always clings to the small details :)
12:31
<sbalneav>
heh
12:32
<vagrantc>
which is helpful in some cases, and probably pedantic in others...
12:34
<sbalneav>
So, you would be a "pedant" then. If you you were female, you could be a pedantess.
12:34
yes, it's a valid word.
12:34
:)
12:34
Now *I*'m being pedantic.
12:34
:)
12:34
<vagrantc>
heh
12:35* sbalneav notes we haven't scared off FuriousGeorge with our inane banter yet...
12:37
<Gadi>
yo mama's thin client's so fat, when pedantess get in a bunch, there's a solar eclipse
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<sbalneav>
lol
12:39
so, from googling "pedant" -> wikipedia page on "Pejorative_terms_for_people" -> "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gopnik"
12:40* vagrantc tries to find the "yo mobo" jokes page on wiki.freegeek.org
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<sbalneav>
oooh, "Quisling", there's a name I haven't heard in a while...
12:42
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prawn_sandwich_brigade
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<ogra>
vagrantc, there is no way to get 8.04.0 or 8.04.1 anymore :)
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<vagrantc>
ogra: that's what i figured.
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<ogra>
unless you find a very outdated mirror
12:43
cd images and the archive are 8.04.2 now
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<vagrantc>
destory all the records!
12:44
<ogra>
no, the changelogs have all info
12:45
its just to prevent users from i.e. getting an iso with the ssh keys bug :)
12:45
<vagrantc>
yes, i know. :P
12:45* vagrantc feels out pedanticized by Ryan52
12:45
<ogra>
right so :P
12:45
<Ryan52>
:D
12:49
<Lns>
Hey all
12:49
vagrantc: shallow and pedantic? </petergriffin>
12:50
LTSPINFO isn't in LTSP5 right?? I'm not sure what Jammq was saying in the list re: automated TC shutdown via ltspinfo.
12:51
<vagrantc>
don't think we've ever ported that over, no.
12:52
<Lns>
ok cool, so i'm not blind. :)
12:53
<Gadi>
nope - it was a security hole
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<Gadi>
Lns: dont confuse that jam with jammcq
12:54
they are different people
12:54
<Lns>
Gadi: oh!
12:54
whooops ;)
12:55
is James here? What's his nick?
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<warren>
joy stick?
12:59
<Lns>
warren: come on now, this is a family channel.
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<quickslip>
can someone help me with VNC setup on my LTSP
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
Anyone know that this existed -> http://www.ltsp.org.cn/ ?
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<warren>
CAN-o-SPAM: what do you mean by existed?
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
still exists?
13:09
who manages that?
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<alkisg>
quickslip: for thin client management, many people use http://italc.sourceforge.net instead of vnc. E.g. for ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/iTalc
13:11
sbalneav: if a user enters wrong credentials, X gets restarted. Is it possible to avoid this, and only restart X after a logout?
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<quickslip>
alkisg: we are not running ubuntu - we are on Fedora 9
13:12
any ideas how to get it going ?
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<johnny>
but you should still use italc..
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<quickslip>
is it available for F9 ?
13:12
<johnny>
you'll have to look
13:13
you could also ask the folks in k12ltsp possibly
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or is it k12linux.. i forget which now :(
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<sbalneav>
alkisg: Well, the structure of LDM at this point is a single pass graphical login to the server.
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You either succeed, and get a session, or fail, and exit.
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the ldm screen script then handles the looping.
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<alkisg>
I see. It would need more changes than it's worth. :)
13:14
ty!
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<Lns>
quickslip: What do you need VNC for ? The server? The clients?
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<sbalneav>
Within the current code base, which doesn't have a glib mainline function, it's kind of a mess to make it do it.
13:15
<johnny>
main loop you mean?
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<sbalneav>
it's one of the reasons why I've been looking at, and reading up on glib to get this done.
13:15
johnny: yes.
13:15
<johnny>
that'd be swell
13:15
so what's the word on dbus on the client?
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<sbalneav>
No idea.
13:16
it was supposed to be discussed at the google summit, but I never heard anything about it.
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<alkisg>
Has anyone managed to install virtualbox[-ose]-guest-utils in the chroot?
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<johnny>
alkisg, maybe i'll be able to try one day
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<Gadi>
alkisg: guest utils are for a VM guest OS
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<johnny>
kc8pxy, i adjusted the deps.. less is done in the quickstart profiles
13:25
<Gadi>
they would be kinda useless in the chroot
13:25* johnny isn't familiar with the ubuntu packaging
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<Gadi>
unless you are talking virtual thin clients
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<alkisg>
Gadi: yes, for testing
13:26
<Gadi>
ah
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<johnny>
don't you actualy need the guestutils on the server?
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<alkisg>
E.g. vmware support is already in the chroot, at least in ubuntu
13:26
<warren>
oooh
13:26
http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?func=newsdesc&news_no=725
13:26
Intel Atom based MSI thin client, you can mount it on the back of a monitor.
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<alkisg>
johnny: I don't think so, the vga and mouse driver should be in the nbd image...
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<johnny>
warren, no dvi tho ..
13:27
<Blinny>
I see a nice, useless wifi antenna on there.
13:27
<johnny>
warren, buy me 4 please
13:27
<warren>
Blinny: option
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<johnny>
warren, .. c'mon guy.. get to work on that :)
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<Lns>
warren: Wow, it'd be really nice to see how those babys perform w/ltsp
13:53* vagrantc wonders why there's an empty README file in ltsp-trunk/localapps
13:53
<Ryan52>
autotools?
13:53
<vagrantc>
how do i play with this genmenu stuff?
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<warren>
vagrantc: if you figure that out, I'd like to know
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<Gadi>
vagrantc: the latest?
14:09
its automagic
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as long as you install an app in the chroot and the app creates a desktop file in the chroot's /usr/share/applications
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to whitelist which apps get menu items, use: LOCAL_APPS_MENU_ITEMS = "app1,app2,app3"
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where app1 is the name of the desktop file
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(ie app1.desktop)
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<vagrantc>
Gadi: and when it's not automatic? :P
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<Gadi>
vagrantc:
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!ask
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<ltspbot`>
Gadi: "ask" is Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least 15 minutes after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
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<Gadi>
:P
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<alkisg>
Heh :)
14:14
Gadi, wouldn't it be simpler to temporarily make all .desktop files open with a custom script (which would call `xprop LTSP_COMMAND etc`) instead of copying the desktop files to the user local dir?
14:14* vagrantc seems to recall asking several questions ...
14:14
<Gadi>
alkisg: thats exactly what happens
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<alkisg>
Gadi, I mean without using ~/.local/share/applications at all...
14:16
...and without patching the .desktop files
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<Gadi>
alkisg: how do you propose to verride the xdg menus?
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*override
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<alkisg>
Well, all menus would open with the "open-desktop-file-script". This would see what was to be exec'ed, and if it was on the white list, it would exec it locally. Else, it would exec it on the server.
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<Gadi>
and how would all menu items do that?
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<alkisg>
Associate all .desktop files to open with open-desktop-file-script... Can't that be done?
14:18
<Gadi>
no
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<alkisg>
Ok, that would be a problem.. :)
14:19
<Gadi>
you could ask every package in the world to change
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:)
14:19
and depend on your script
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<alkisg>
I meant something like file-associations (hey, I come from a Windows world... :P).
14:20
E.g. "all .odt files open with openoffice" etc
14:21
<johnny>
that exists..
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<vagrantc>
Gadi: ok, so apparently it was "just working" but not for all applications.
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<johnny>
perhaps hook into the .desktop file opener itself
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<Gadi>
which apps failed?
14:22
<johnny>
xdg-open
14:23
uggh.. wtf fedora10
14:23
discoverable printers is greyed out in system-config-printer
14:23
<vagrantc>
Gadi: alsaplayer just didn't show up in the menu ... .desktop file was in the user's home dir ...
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i'm checking to see if it "normally" shows up on the menu.
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<Gadi>
well, some apps wont appear if they are excluded in the menus by the distro
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like "python"
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:P
14:24
which is a good thing
14:24
it means the normal distro controls are working
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<vagrantc>
there were a bunch of pulseaudio related things that didn't work...
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Gadi: dillo appears to work fine, though.
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<Gadi>
ubuntu has no such pulseaudio desktop files
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<vagrantc>
Gadi: alsaplayer works fine on the server, but doesn't even show up in the menu when local_apps_menu=true
14:28
well, at least i got to test that it works at all on Debian, even if there appear to be a few bugs...
14:28
that was mainly my goal at the moment :)
14:28
<Gadi>
vagrantc: can you compare the desktop files?
14:28
ie the one in ~/.local and the one in /usr/share?
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<vagrantc>
warren: so, set LOCAL_APPS_MENU=true in lts.conf and see if it breaks anything for you :)
14:29
<_UsUrPeR_>
is there a way to permanently disable DPMS from the lts.conf?
14:29
<Gadi>
_UsUrPeR_: which distro/version
14:29
<_UsUrPeR_>
ubuntu 8.10
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<vagrantc>
Gadi: the only thing that differs is one line has our xprop magic and the other doesn't.
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<Gadi>
vagrantc: hmm.. should appear in the menu, still
14:30
if it appears on the server
14:30
its a terminal app, tho
14:30
maybe thats the problem
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<vagrantc>
brings up alsaplayer-gtk for me.
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<Gadi>
_UsUrPeR_: you can try: X_BLANKING=0
14:31
but, that may not be in intrepid
14:31
<_UsUrPeR_>
gadi: thank you
14:31
<Gadi>
it may only be upstream
14:32
vagrantc: and is alsaplayer-gtk in the chroot?
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<vagrantc>
Gadi: i tried with: alsaplayer only installed in chroot as well as alsaplayer both on the server and the chroot ...
14:33
er, two lines ... the Exec and TryExec lines
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<Gadi>
vagrantc: out of curiosity, does the Exec line have arguments?
14:37
like %s?
14:37
things like that?
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<vagrantc>
Gadi: nope.
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<Gadi>
and you are sure it is not executing it on the client?
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<Ryan52>
should ldm not change the .dmrc if you're logging in as a guest? imho, it should still read it, but not change it.
14:47* Ryan52 doesn't like that it doesn't ask before changing at all
14:48
<vagrantc>
Ryan52: that seems like reasonable behavior, how tricky to implement?
14:49
<Ryan52>
probably not that hard...if my dev environment starts working again.
14:49* vagrantc doesn't like that it doesn't ask before changing either
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<vagrantc>
makes total sense in an unshared environment, but in a shared environment, it's just prone to issues.
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<vagrantc>
Ryan52: the other idea i though was maybe to display a status somehow after changing something ... like "selected session: foo, selected language: bar"
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Gadi: what do you mean by it not executing it on the client?
14:52
<Gadi>
when you click the menu item
14:52
<vagrantc>
Gadi: it doesn't even show up in the menu, is the problem.
14:52
<Gadi>
ah
14:52
can you pastebot the .desktop file
14:52
?
14:52
<Ryan52>
if I push a change to ldminfod, can somebody else please test that current ldm still works with choosing language? it should, but I want to be sure. then I'll push my ldm changes (which are fully tested) and stop working on ltsp for the day :)
14:53* Ryan52 spent an hour battling with his test ltsp server, and now it's acting completely dead.. :(
14:54* Ryan52 wonders why ltsp development sucks so badly for him..
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<ltsppbot>
"vagrantc" pasted "alsaplayer.desktop as localapp" (12 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/215
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<vagrantc>
Gadi: the only diff with the server's alsaplayer.desktop is the Exec and TryExec lines, and the server's works when i disable the local apps menu
14:56
<Gadi>
and that runs alsaplayer-gtk?
14:56
not alsaplayer?
14:56
<vagrantc>
well, alsaplayer defaults to the gtk thingamawhazit
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<Gadi>
can you try changing the .desktop that is in ~/.local (after you log in) to read alsaplayer-gtk?
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<Gadi>
tho, that wouldnt explain why its not in the menu
14:59
weird
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<vagrantc>
Gadi: there is no alsaplayer-gtk binary
15:04
Gadi: alsaplayer-gtk package is a plugin to alsaplayer
15:07
<_UsUrPeR_>
does the "Screen Resolution" utility in Ubuntu 8.10 use xrandr to make it's changes?
15:10
<Gadi>
_UsUrPeR_: I believe so
15:11
<_UsUrPeR_>
gadi: k, thx
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<alkisg>
Gadi: console apps like `htop`, which have Terminal=True in their .desktop file, should maybe open with xterm: `xprop ... -set LTSP_COMMAND "xterm htop"`
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<kc8pxy>
johnny: where should i set up my tftp directory , again?
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<johnny>
/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/x86
17:18
<kc8pxy>
and copy my pxelinux.0 and make a pxelinux.conf/default in that dir?
17:19
<johnny>
maybe i'll just go and make /var/lib/tftpboot
17:19
and set that stuff up in ltsp-client ebuild
17:20
<kc8pxy>
that might be an assistance.
17:21
it will be cool when ltsp-server can go into the portage tree, and not only as an ~arch :)
17:21
<johnny>
it'll be nice when stuff that is not even under my control will be arch
17:21
that i depend upon.
17:21
like openrc
17:21
and even fuse
17:21
or sshfs-fuse
17:21
all still not stable
17:23
<kc8pxy>
johnny: yeah.. sshfs, is that based on scp?
17:23
<johnny>
sftp
17:24
ltsp will never easily hit portage until that stuff is taken care of :( i'd prefer for the chroot to be all stable ebuilds
17:24
so.. openrc,baselayout,fuse,sshfs-fuse
17:24
get those stable.. and we might get it in portage
17:27
<kc8pxy>
fuse is ~arch? \
17:27* kc8pxy hates this bottleneck.
17:28
<kc8pxy>
I'm emerging -f gnome, and i only have 150k/s down at the shop :-(
17:30
<Ryan52>
vagrantc, stgraber, johnny, cyberorg, warren: with the changes I just pushed, you should update your ldminfo (or whatever installs that binary) packages to depend on whatever package provides /usr/share/xml/iso-codes/iso_{3166,639}.xml (key word == should ... it will work without them)
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17:31* Ryan52 got something done! yay! :p
17:33
<Ryan52>
and I figured out the trick to my ltsp server...if I reboot it after every time I test, it works perfectly. :|
17:34* Ryan52 thinks that he should have mentioned the iso-codes thing in the commit message...oops.
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<vagrantc>
Ryan52: ouch. that adds 8MB to the installed chroot.
18:22
and 1.7MB of downloads...
18:22
<Ryan52>
that would be why I made it optional.
18:22
$packager can make that decision.
18:22
<vagrantc>
good.
18:22
<Ryan52>
wait, why the chroot?
18:22
just split ldminfo into it's own package already! :p
18:22
<vagrantc>
ah, right. server.
18:23
Ryan52: i'll split it when lenny releases.
18:26
<Ryan52>
ok
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<warren>
Ryan52: [Bug 249048] Re: ldm language selection is not user friendly
20:00
Ryan52: what is the new behavior?
20:02
<Ryan52>
it shows the choices as "English (United States)" and "French (Canada)" and such...rather than en_US.UTF-8 and fr_CA.UTF-8
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<warren>
Ryan52: where does it get those names from?
20:11
Ryan52: one problem is that those names are English...
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<Ryan52>
wow. you'd expect I would have thought of that..
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<warren>
Ryan52: the truly complete solution would be to display both language name in current language, and language name in localized language.
20:14
Japanese (日本語)
20:15
Ryan52: gdm does this
20:15
we could just steal all of their translations and UI
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<Ryan52>
do you have translations that come with /usr/share/xml/iso-codes/iso_639.xml ?
20:22
yep.
20:23* Ryan52 couldn't tell, since the translator addresses were a debian team
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<warren>
I have that file
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<Ryan52>
then if I can just figure out how to work gettext and how to work python, I can make it work right :)
20:33
that was easy. now I just need to make it work with ldminfod.
20:34
<warren>
eh?
20:34
you're actually pushing the translated strings over the wire?
20:34
<Ryan52>
is that a problem?
20:34
<warren>
isn't that huge?
20:35
Ryan52: [warren@newcaprica ~]$ locale -a |grep utf8 |wc -l
20:35
237
20:36
Ryan52: the wire protocol should have only the iso codes, and descriptive names matching those iso codes along with translations be on the ldm side.
20:36
<Ryan52>
then the iso-codes package needs to be installed in both places (chroot and server)..
20:37
and it's big.
20:37
ryan52@asdf:~$ locale -a |grep utf8 |wc -l
20:37
2
20:37* Ryan52 wonders why warren enabled 237 languages
20:37
<Ryan52>
nevermind.
20:37
<johnny>
warren is crazy yo
20:37* Ryan52 wonders why fedora enables 237 languages by default
20:38
<johnny>
cuz fedora is crazy yo
20:38
<Ryan52>
heh
20:38
<warren>
Ryan52: locale -a outputs all glibc codes on fedora, unlikely debian
20:38
unlike
20:38
<johnny>
gives me waaay too many firefox lang
20:38
plugins
20:38
<warren>
Ryan52: in any case it is a bad idea to transmit all those strings over the wire
20:38
<johnny>
Ryan52, you running fedora10 now?
20:38* nubae kicks NetworkManager really really hard
20:38
<johnny>
now if only rpm didn't suck..
20:38
<Ryan52>
johnny, yep.
20:39* johnny <3's his ebuilds
20:39
<johnny>
just not so good on this laptop
20:39
<Ryan52>
warren, okay, but then a 8MB of data has to be installed on both the server and the client, which isn't nice...
20:39
I guess it could be only on the client.../me wonders how to parse xml in glib
20:40
<warren>
Ryan52: is it better to install it on both sides, or transmit a huge amount of data every time you connect to ldminfo?
20:40* Ryan52 gets the point
20:42
<SDuensin>
johnny is here! :-)
20:43
<johnny>
i'm often here .. even if i'm not speaking
20:45
<SDuensin>
Not speaking? Does that mean...coding? (He asks hopefully!)
20:45
<johnny>
i code on lots of things
20:45
i'm trying to run into sbalneav
20:45
he was testing some patches
20:45
i haven't heard a report back yet
20:46
as soon as it happens, i'll push the code up
20:46
altho my testing computer is still broken sadly :(
20:46
better.. but still weird
20:46* SDuensin REALLY needs Sabayon. Or something like it.
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<johnny>
SDuensin, well, get yourself a svn checkout
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23:37irc.freenode.net changes topic to "LTSP-5 is the current version that you should be using. Check out Ubuntu, Debian and Fedora for awesome integration. Gentoo is getting very close and Opensuse has kiwi-ltsp. IRC logs at: http://www.nubae.com/logs/, LTSP Docs: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream"
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<|Ryan52>
warren, ok, pushed changes to translate it (it now behaves how you said gdm does)
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<warren>
|Ryan52: wow, ok, i'll try it.
23:45
|Ryan52: where does it get the traslations fro?
23:45
from/
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<|Ryan52>
/usr/share/locale/fr/LC_MESSAGES/iso_639.mo
23:46
(and all the others)
23:47
ldm gets that from inside the chroot.
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