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Channel log from 9 May 2008   (all times are UTC)

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<vagrantc>
warren: ltsp-trunk 720 seems like a more complicated way of accomplishing the same thing ...
00:11
before, the default was set, and the configuration file overrides it ... now the configuration file is read, and then if not already set, it sets the default...
00:12
<lns>
vagrantc, you say tomato... =p
00:12
<vagrantc>
unless there's some other issue i'm not aware of...
00:12
lns: yes, but it's actually more complicated
00:12
<lns>
i know
00:12
that just popped into my head ;)
00:12
<vagrantc>
not a *lot* more complicated ...
00:13
but i'm curious why it was needed
00:13
<lns>
which config file? lts.conf ?
00:13
<vagrantc>
no, nbdswapd.conf
00:13
<lns>
ah
00:13
wasn't aware that had its own config file ;)
00:14* lns isn't as cool as the coders in #ltsp
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<vagrantc>
many of the scripts check for a config file, but one isn't included by default
00:14
<lns>
well I SURE wasn't notified of this.. hahaha =p
00:14
did you get that memo?
00:16* vagrantc is happy that freegeek will be hosting the LTSP hackfest in july :)
00:17
<lns>
woo!
00:18
<johnny>
what day ?
00:18
<sutula>
vagrantc: I haven't kept up...does the version of ltsp-server in etch-backports (5.1.3-1~40.etch.0) have any auto-login capability these days?
00:18
<johnny>
my gf might be out there for a conference around the 18...
00:18
<vagrantc>
sutula: the version of ldm in etch-backports does support autologin, yes.
00:19
sutula: LDM_AUTOLOGIN=true
00:19
sutula: and if your username/password matches the hostname of the ltsp-client, then that's all you need to set.
00:20
sutula: otherwise, LDM_USERNAME and LDM_PASSWORD or set up ssh keys
00:20
<sutula>
vagrantc: OK...great. I'll try it.
00:20
<vagrantc>
johnny: 25th-28th or so
00:21
johnny: some folks might be around earlier than that for oscon
00:22
<johnny>
i wonder if i can somehow stay that long.
00:22
<vagrantc>
sutula: the backports are totally caught up with lenny ... no major new features, other than some additional languages for ldm
00:22
sutula: no major new features in sid, that is
00:23
johnny: would be good to meet you and show you around freegek :)
00:23
<johnny>
i agree
00:23
gf is going to seattle
00:24
if i can somehow make it to portland and stay really cheap somehow...
00:24
<vagrantc>
i've offered to find couches and beds for folks
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<johnny>
HOPE in NYC is around the same time too.. :)
00:24
but for how long? :)
00:24
<sutula>
vagrantc: Thanks for all your work on that...much appreciated
00:25
<johnny>
it would be a lil over a weak
00:25
week*
00:25
for who knows what gains for ltsp :)
00:26
<vagrantc>
johnny: HOPE ?
00:27
<johnny>
hackers on planet earth
00:27
good excuse to be in NYC
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<bigos222>
hello. where can i find debian etch amd64 LTSP-5.0 repository
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<bigos222>
help! ltsp working too slow. a lot of network traffic and very very slow desktop. please help me!!! :)
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<sbalneav>
Morning all
09:36
<rjune>
!s
09:36
<ltspbot`>
rjune: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
09:37
<sbalneav>
Hey rjune
09:37
<Q-FUNK>
!s
09:37
<ltspbot`>
Q-FUNK: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
09:37
<Q-FUNK>
sbalneav: glad to have you back. how's life?
09:37* laga wonders..
09:37
<laga>
!l
09:37
<ltspbot`>
laga: Error: "l" is not a valid command.
09:38
<laga>
hum. ;)
09:38
<rjune>
laga: don't feel bad, !r doesn't work either
09:38
!j
09:38
<ltspbot`>
rjune: Error: "j" is not a valid command.
09:38
<rjune>
nor does !j
09:38
<sbalneav>
Q-FUNK: Well, still dealing with the fallout of my wife's difficulties
09:38
<laga>
rjune: too bad.
09:38
<sbalneav>
Slowly getting better.
09:39
<Q-FUNK>
!q
09:39
<ltspbot`>
Q-FUNK: Error: "q" is not a valid command.
09:39
<Q-FUNK>
sbalneav: coming to UDS in Prague?
09:39
<sbalneav>
ltspbot`: learn q as Q-FUNK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
09:39
<ltspbot`>
sbalneav: The operation succeeded.
09:39
<sbalneav>
!q
09:39
<ltspbot`>
sbalneav: "q" is Q-FUNK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
09:39
<sbalneav>
simple as that.
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<sbalneav>
No, I did sweet bugger all this go-round, so I'll try and pick up the threads from here, see if I can make a contribution to i*
09:41
I updates the glibc re-write to ldm, and posted that yesterday.
09:41
<Q-FUNK>
sbalneav: if you want to flash your dbe61a collection to the latest PXE bios, that can be done too.
09:41
<sbalneav>
Want to talk to vagrant about it, and get my butt in gear for localapps too.
09:41
<Q-FUNK>
the tools for that are in Hardy
09:42
<ogra>
sbalneav, lets attack that in portland ;)
09:42
<sbalneav>
ogra: You gonna be there?
09:42
<ogra>
i heard you plan to come :)
09:42
<sbalneav>
Ticket's bought.
09:42
I'm there.
09:42
<Q-FUNK>
say, any chance of doing any of those meeting north of the border?
09:42
<ogra>
i didnt get final approval yet, but with 80% i'll be there
09:42
<sbalneav>
cool.
09:43
I've really let everyone down, and I feel like sh*t. But my personal life's been like crap for a while now, and it's just been too busy to make a contribution.
09:43
Hopefully I can redeem myself :)
09:44
anywho
09:44
If someone (other than me) would be willing to test the ldm-glibc branch I put up yesterday, that'd be great.
09:45
<Q-FUNK>
sbalneav: don't midn that. I was more worried about wether something horrible might have happened to you.
09:45
<sbalneav>
I've been running a (slightly) older version of it here at legalaid for a bit, and it seems to work.
09:45
Q-FUNK: Me, no. My wife, yes.
09:46
<rjune>
lsmod | grep ^ip_conntrack | sed 's/\[(.*)\].*/$1/g' <-- what am I doing wrong here?
09:47
<sbalneav>
rjune: looks like finding out what modules are depending on ip_conntrack
09:47
<rjune>
that's what I want
09:47
<sbalneav>
2 seconds
09:48
IMHO, awk works better for that.
09:48
<rjune>
it spits out the entire line
09:48
I'm not as familiar with awk
09:48
I can grab the column X
09:48
<sbalneav>
lsmod | grep ^usbcore | awk '{print $4}'
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<rjune>
lsmod | grep ^libata | awk '{print $4}'
09:49
awk falls apart there.
09:49
I went with awk first, found I didn't know enough about it to do what I wanted, thought I knew regex well enough, and failed.
09:49
<sbalneav>
sbalneav@feniks:~$ lsmod | grep ^libata | awk '{print $4}'
09:49
ahci,ata_generic,ata_piix
09:49
<rjune>
but my regex Looks right.
09:50
<sbalneav>
Isn't that what you want?
09:50
<rjune>
ip_tables 13440 4 [iptable_nat iptable_filter] <-- I'm using an older kernel
09:50
it is, if I had ',' seperators awk would be fine.
09:50
<itais>
ogra: when you did the localapps proof of concept, you ran firefox, didn't you?
09:50
<sbalneav>
You want to ditch the [' and ]?
09:50
<laga>
rjune: maybe it'll be easier to use /proc/modules and maybe cut
09:51
<ogra>
itais, sbalneav did that
09:51
<sbalneav>
lsmod | grep ^usbcore | awk '{print $4}' | tr -d '[]'
09:51
<itais>
ah, good, so sbalneav: did you ran firefox as a localapp?
09:51
<sbalneav>
itais: yup
09:51
<ogra>
itais, meet the father of our localapps implementation ;)
09:51
<sbalneav>
Did it get implemented?
09:51* itais is glad of meeting him
09:52
<itais>
I'm fighting with it, and have a problem with firefox
09:52
<rjune>
sbalneav: I do want to ditch the [ and ]
09:52
<itais>
I use sshfs to mount the user home, and extensions do not work on sshfs
09:52
<sbalneav>
Which extentions?
09:52
<ogra>
itais, sshfs has no ststfs implementation
09:52
<itais>
so, I wonder if you found a workaround or you just didn't notice it as you ran it in enblish
09:52
<rjune>
sbalneav: assume this line as output from lsmod | grep 'ip_tables 13440 4 [iptable_nat iptable_filter]'
09:52
<itais>
english
09:53
<ogra>
itais, i bet they try to determine the free space
09:53
<rjune>
so echo 'ip_tables 13440 4 [iptable_nat iptable_filter]'| awk '{print $4}'
09:53
<itais>
sbalneav: any extension, but I noticed it as spanish translation didn't work
09:53
<rjune>
only grabs the iptable_nat, not the full module list
09:54
<itais>
ogra: maybe, but I think is some locking try that fails, so firefox deletes the extensions.ini file and is not able to regenerate it
09:54
<sbalneav>
rjune: ah, I see, doesn't use comma seps
09:54
ok
09:54
I'll debug the sed, then.
09:55
<itais>
sbalneav: so that's my question? did you have that problem with firefox and fixed it, or didn't you notice it and it's still there?
09:55
<sbalneav>
itais: I'm still not sure what you mean by "extention". A firefox extention? I ran firefox with flash, and that's what I got working.
09:56
<itais>
s/extention/extension
09:56
yeah, flash works, plugins work
09:56
but no extension works, so translations don't work
09:57
<sbalneav>
Like I say, I'm not sure what you mean by extention.
09:57
This something you install under firefox?
09:58
If so, if it's not in the user's home directory, it may need to be installed in the chroot for firefox to pick it up.
09:58
<itais>
ups sorry, extension is the spanish word for add-on :-X
09:59
<sbalneav>
is the addon installed in the users home dir? Or somewhere else on the server?
09:59
Also, if it depends on a socket in the user
09:59
<itais>
even if they're installed on /usr/../chrome, whenever firefox starts, check them and regenerates the extensions.ini at the user profile dir
10:00
<sbalneav>
's home dir, that may be a problem.
10:00
I don't think sshfs handles sockets.
10:00
<itais>
it doesn't matter where they're installed. The problem is that firefox deletes the "extensions.ini" file and is not able to regenerate it, so firefox does not recognize any addon
10:01
<sbalneav>
ok, does firefox give any messages on the text console?
10:01
<itais>
so, my localapps implementation is mostly useful, as firefox is the main reason to use localapps
10:01
not, firefox is a blackbox
10:01
s/useful/useless
10:02
<sbalneav>
Well, I'm willing to wager that the unimplemented statfs call's going to be the problem
10:02
Which we figured we'd have to implement as a shim
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<itais>
a shim?
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<sbalneav>
We sort of envisioned anoither fuse filesystem mounted on top of sshfs
10:04
that handled the statfs call
10:04
<itais>
otoh, I thought of switching to epiphany, but I crashed against the dbus problem
10:05
<laga>
can't you implement statfs in sshfs?
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<sbalneav>
laga: Yeah, you could do it eitherway, but it'd have to be a locally maintained patch
10:06
<laga>
is upstream against supporting sshfs?
10:06
<sbalneav>
miklos has stated that until sftp has a way to find out remote filesstem info, he won't eaccept a "hack" to sshfs
10:06
<laga>
doh.
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<laga>
i wonder if the fish:// ioslave for kde could support something like that. it uses scp.
10:08
<itais>
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.file-systems.fuse.sshfs/662
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<Gadi>
moquist has a shim for statfs over sshfs
10:09
iirc
10:09
<sbalneav>
hey gadi
10:09
<itais>
Gadi: is there any info somewhere?
10:10* Gadi waves at sblaneav
10:10
<Gadi>
itais: good question - not sure if moquist posted it somewhere
10:10
he worked on it in November in Maine
10:10
if he ever comes up for air, maybe he can tell us
10:11
<rjune>
!g
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<ltspbot`>
rjune: "g" is Gadi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
10:11
<rjune>
sbalneav: got it, I needed more '\'
10:12
<sbalneav>
If not, it'd be easy to reimplement
10:12
Gadi: Could you try out the ldm-glibc rewrite I posted?
10:12
<moquist>
itais: I sent it to sbalneav, but I could/should probably do something else with it, too.
10:12
sbalneav: I sent it to you. ;)
10:13
<sbalneav>
moquist: Can you re-send? I've lost it :)
10:13* moquist chuckles and finds those old emails
10:13
<sbalneav>
my mind, my will to live, and moquist's code. :)
10:13
<itais>
moquist: please, could you add jredrejo at-no-spam edu.juntaextremadura.net to the cc of that mail ;-)?
10:13
<moquist>
itais: if you PM me your email address, I'll bcc you...you're too fast for me. :)
10:14
<Gadi>
sorry -- stepped awa y for a sec -
10:14
first: rjune!!!!
10:14
<itais>
moquist: is right above your last comment ;-)
10:15
<Gadi>
second: sbalneav - is it a patch for hardy in particular? /me is not up to hardy as yet
10:15
<sbalneav>
No, it's a branch of ldm-trunk, as of two days ago.
10:15
<Gadi>
ah, ok
10:15
I have a prod release at the end of this month
10:16
so its a bit crazy
10:16
<sbalneav>
NP
10:16
<Gadi>
but, I will try
10:16
what does it do?
10:16
<sbalneav>
I can sympathise.
10:16
Well, SHOULD be exactly the same as the existing one, except:
10:16
200 less lines of code
10:16
only one method of forking/execing
10:17
MUCH improved ssh chatting
10:17
no more LANG=C
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better decurity
10:17
glibc'd thoughout
10:17
no built in hard limits (host sizes of 128, only 16 expects, etc)
10:17
<rjune>
Gadi: what's new?
10:18
spending your bush bux to save the economy?
10:18
<sbalneav>
passes the ssh status messages directly through to the greeter message area (for password changes, etc)
10:18
et
10:18
c
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<Gadi>
sbalneav: does the last part obviate the need for translations?
10:19
rjune: keepin the plates spinnin
10:19
:)
10:21
<sbalneav>
Gadi: Well, should reduce the need, yes
10:21
Basically, just log messages are translated, and the "username" and "password" prompts
10:22
What the world needs is a universal icon developed for "username" and "password", like what we came up with for power symbol.
10:23
<laga>
"password" should be the caps lock symbol
10:23
<Gadi>
username = torso, password = key
10:23
done
10:23
make it so
10:23
<sbalneav>
Or, alternatively, we should all just learn esperanto
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<sbalneav>
Unu bieron, mi petas
10:25
Uma cerveja, por favor
10:26
Una cerveza, por favor
10:26
<Gadi>
sbalneav: did you ever look at my ugly diff of ldm.c stuff that eliminated the restarting of X on failed password?
10:27
<sbalneav>
Yeah, take a look at the glibc'd one.
10:27* Gadi hopes that your new stuff does that
10:27
<sbalneav>
Oh, wait, on 3 time fail?
10:27
<Gadi>
restarting X for anything other than ending a session is expensive
10:27
<sbalneav>
no
10:27
I didn't then.
10:27
<Gadi>
ah
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<Gadi>
lemme find the link
10:28
<sbalneav>
can you re-send it to me.
10:28
<Gadi>
https://code.launchpad.net/~gideon/ltsp/gadi-ldm-trunk
10:28
take a look there
10:28
<sbalneav>
kk
10:29
<Gadi>
it is against a much older ldm at this point
10:29
but, you can see in the code what I was getting at
10:29
(unfortunately I did too many things at once for others to make sense of it - but you are so familiar with ur code, you'll see it right away)
10:30
<sbalneav>
I'll have a look. I agree, we should handle the failure of the ssh session without the x restart.
10:30
<stgraber>
!s
10:30
<ltspbot`>
stgraber: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
10:30
<Gadi>
sbalneav: this code does it
10:30
it is just not documented well enough to tell others how
10:30
<sbalneav>
Did you do a signal handler?
10:30
<Gadi>
:)
10:30
<sbalneav>
Hey stgraber
10:30
<Gadi>
no, I just widened the loop
10:30
<stgraber>
hi sbalneav, has been a long time :)
10:30
<Gadi>
and drop thru the loop only upon successful login
10:30
<sbalneav>
Yeah, too long my apologies.
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<Gadi>
you'll see
10:31
<sbalneav>
Hey vagrantc
10:31
<Gadi>
brb
10:31
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: hi! :)
10:32
<ogra>
Gadi, urgh, why do you drop the "This workstation isn't authorized to connect to server" in that patch ?
10:32
oh, you dont, sorry
10:32
vagrantc, hey, just merged ltspfs :)
10:32
<vagrantc>
ogra: the package?
10:32
<ogra>
yep
10:32
we need to find a proper fix for the CDroms
10:33
i dont want to carry that as dpatch
10:33
<vagrantc>
i really want to merge the do-stuff-from-udev-rather-than-ltsp-init-scripts branch
10:33
<ogra>
fine with me :)
10:33
<vagrantc>
but i fear it might be prone to race conditions or something lik,e that
10:33
<ogra>
well, let me be your guineapig
10:33
intrepid is open and busy getting uploads ;)
10:34
i dont need to care for stability yet :)
10:34
<stgraber>
IIRC the non-udev way is sometimes prone to race conditions too :) (my sound card modules not loaded when pulse starts)
10:34
<vagrantc>
i guess i could also do an upload to experimental
10:34
<ogra>
yeah, i cn sync from there ;)
10:35
stgraber, i'll look into the pulse stuff for intrepid, do you stil see that on fast clients ?
10:36
<stgraber>
ogra: I have used my lappy as thin client for a long time
10:36
who uses Core2Duo laptops as thin client anyway :)
10:36
so I guess it's still here in Hardy but haven't tried
10:40
erk, archive.ubuntu.com is still horribly slow ... 150kB/s and that's when it's fast ...
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<vagrantc>
ogra: the main blocker is i actually want to make a cdpinger wrapper that checks if cdpinger is already running for that device (or incorporate it directly into cdpinger) so we don't have to worry about conflicting with older ltsp-client-core packages
10:42
<fsgaston>
new to ltsp - having trouble with the Thin Client manager always crashing 8.04 4 bit
10:42
<ogra>
ah, well ... always looking backwards :)
10:42
<fsgaston>
Any ideas
10:42
<ogra>
4bit ?
10:43
<fsgaston>
64bi
10:43
<ogra>
ah
10:43
<vagrantc>
ogra: well, it's actually a good thing to not run multiple cdpinger's, i think. :)
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<ogra>
vagrantc, right
10:44
even though there are people with multiple usb cdroms
10:44
<stgraber>
ogra: what about dbus/hal in the chroot, is that still planned ? if yes, what's the use of cdpinger can't it be replaced by some udev/hal magic ?
10:44
<sbalneav>
Is the issue of running multile cdpingers the size of cdpinger?
10:44
I did a glibc rewrite of it.
10:44
<ogra>
well, you stil need a listener binary but could indeed poll hal instead of the kernel directly
10:45
<itais>
vagrantc: is there any hook in ldm to trigger an action when the user logouts and before the ssh connection is dropped?
10:45
<vagrantc>
ogra: yes, but multiple CDroms won't work if they use the same device name- if they're using the same device name, something's borked anyways and it's not cdpinger's fault.
10:45
itais: not that i know of
10:45
<ogra>
itais, nope, but you can use a custom command through LDM_SESSION and run a script after the ssh session
10:45
<vagrantc>
itais: though *maybe* we should change the code to do that...
10:46
<itais>
mmm, it's a very special need...
10:46
<ogra>
vagrantc, well, just have a var that can hook commands into LDM_SESSION before the kill
10:47
<itais>
ogra: I don't understand your idea of using a command through LDM_SESSION...
10:47
<ogra>
unless you want to actually run something on the client
10:47
<itais>
I want to use the ssh connection to close some process when the user logouts
10:47
<ogra>
on the server or on the client
10:47
?
10:47
<itais>
and assure the needed data are back in the user home
10:47
<vagrantc>
itais: specify LDM_SESSION in lts.conf ... point it to a custom script that runs /etc/X11/Xsession $@ , followed by whatever you want to do ... something like that
10:48
<itais>
run it in the client to save some data at $HOME
10:48
<vagrantc>
itais: or is this something that needs to be run client-side ?
10:48
<itais>
yes
10:48
<vagrantc>
your local apps magic? :)
10:49
<itais>
:-/my local apps workaround for firefox stupid behaviour
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<vagrantc>
itais: i guess you could start a hook in rc.d that watches for the existance of the ssh socket, and when it disappears, does something
10:50
<itais>
in brief: I need to copy a user directory in tmpfs, let the user work on it, and copy back the data when the user logouts
10:50
<vagrantc>
eeyk.
10:50
<itais>
but i want to do it before it disappears
10:50
<vagrantc>
ah, right.
10:51
<ogra>
dont forget that tmpfs is limited
10:51
<vagrantc>
it doesn't currently support that very well is the unfortunate answer of the moment
10:51
<itais>
isure
10:51
sure
10:51
<ogra>
and eats from your X server
10:51
<itais>
ah, didn't know that, why does it do such thing?
10:51
<warren>
tmpfs is your RAM
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<ogra>
well your Xserver uses the clients ram
10:51
the tmpfs as well
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10:52
<ogra>
the more you store there the less space you have for X
10:52
<itais>
ah, ok, no problem with that. In fact, it uses to be a problem when my Xserver begins to use the client ram as is much slower than the video card ram
10:53
<laga>
it might be a good idea to limit caching in firefox then.
10:54
<ogra>
oh yes :)
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10:54
<ala1>
could someone point me to a howto on setting up sound on the thin clients? Using Ubuntu Hardy
10:54
<ogra>
ala1, what client herdware ? sound should work out of the box
10:54
<stgraber>
ala1: what's the problem ?
10:54
<ogra>
*hardware
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10:55
<ala1>
using Dell Optiplex GX110 as thin clients....Compaq DL580 as server....everyone has ES1371s as sound
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10:56
<ala1>
lts.conf has sound=true
10:56
I get sound on server when I log into the server but nothing on the clients
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10:58
<ala1>
and I mean regardless what I do on the clients, there is no sound. I read some people had sound coming from server when the client did something. I get nothing
10:59
and the Ensoniqs are very well supported
10:59
as sound cards
11:01
<ogra>
did you add anything else to the lts.conf ?
11:02
<ala1>
yes just a sec and I'll post it
11:02
<ogra>
!pastebot
11:02
<ltspbot`>
ogra: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
11:02
<ogra>
send it to the pastebot
11:03
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: lookin forward to seeing the like sof you in portland :)
11:04
<ltsppbot>
"ala1" pasted "lts.conf" (6 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/531
11:04
<ala1>
pastebot is cool
11:04
<ogra>
ala1, remove everything but NBD_SWAP
11:04
the rest are defaults anyway
11:04
<ala1>
ok
11:07
<ogra>
nothing there indicates why your sound doesnt work thouhg
11:08
<ala1>
what device do I choose for the volume control..got Ensoniq and playback: ALSA PCM
11:09
<ogra>
ALSA PCM on hw:0 should be there anyway
11:09
pick that
11:10
<ala1>
I had already....the pulseaudio applet shows no sinks, servers, or sources other than default...is that normal?
11:10
<ogra>
oh, wait, i'm in virtualbox, that attaches directly to the server device , look for pulse in the list
11:10
ergh where did you get a pulseaudio applet ? we surely dont install it
11:11
<ala1>
I tried the Novell fiesty setup
11:11
<ogra>
hmm
11:12
well, no idea what settings that breaks then
11:12
feisty is two releases ago
11:12
<stgraber>
sbalneav: what kind of testing do you need for your improved ldm ? I have a build server and a ltsp server around so I could well give it a try
11:13
<ogra>
hardy has sound set up out of the box with the default ubuntu settings for everything
11:14
anyway, need to get some house work done ...
11:14* ogra goes to mow the lawn before it gets dark
11:14
<ala1>
well I made backups of the 3 files that I changed, and the only additional package that installed was the applet....but sound didn't work before
11:15
<vagrantc>
"Novell fiesty" ?
11:16
<ala1>
http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/Feisty/HOWTO:_PulseAudio#LTSP_configuration
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11:19
<warren>
So I'm thinking about moving all in-chroot configuration away from ltsp-build-client and to be handled within my ltsp-client package instead.
11:19
This is necessary because package updates within the chroot wont configure new things
11:19
you folks don't run into this problem?
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<vagrantc>
well, it's against policy for a package's postinstallation script to modify other packages' configuration files... so it would be tricky to implement properly
11:23
there's not much that's configured in-chroot, if i recall correctly...
11:23
<cyberorg>
warren, what configuration?
11:23
hi vagrantc ogra warren the_code
11:23
<warren>
vagrantc: i guess your policies don't allow what I want
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11:24
<warren>
but I have no such problem in fedora
11:24
cyberorg: stuff like making sure certain configuration files in the chroot are set
11:24
<cyberorg>
warren, which configuration files?
11:24
<warren>
cyberorg: if I need to configure something new in a future ltsp package update it wont happen because ltsp-build-client isn't run again
11:24
<vagrantc>
well, more properly, it is against policy to directly modify another package's configuration files ... if said package provides a configuration mechanism you're allowed to use that
11:26
warren: what sort of configurations are you talking about?
11:26
<cyberorg>
warren, the reason for providing adhoc configuration download via tftp as just that, i am distributing prebuilt squashfs image
11:27
<warren>
not just the typical confgurations
11:27
like deeper OS level stuff
11:27
<cyberorg>
currently i am serving lts.conf, /etc/hosts and ssh_known_hosts
11:28
<warren>
for example:
11:28
# Hack: ltspfsd fails to mount anything if /etc/mtab is missing
11:28
# Even a blank /etc/mtab works but this is a bit more tested
11:28
# so we will use it for now.
11:28
echo "/dev/root / auto rw,noatime 0 0" > $ROOT/etc/mta
11:28* vagrantc hands warren a b
11:28
<dberkholz>
fyi, we're going to be removing ltsp 4.2 in gentoo soon, regardless of the state of ltsp 5
11:28
it's too insecure and hard to maintain
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<ogra>
dberkholz, ++
11:46
debian and ubuntu did that as well
11:53
<dberkholz>
we just sent out a security advisory saying "this thing is full of holes. stop using it."
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12:13
<fsgaston>
How do you give the clients access to their usb, but they don´t see every USB plugged in?
12:15
<dberkholz>
ogra: where's that tiny browser of yours again?
12:16
ogra: nm, found it
12:18
<LTSP>
Hi all, I just installed (K)Ubuntu 8.04 (desktop) - last version I had LTSP running on was 6.10. Before I start installing on the new machine, I wanted to ask if the setup commands have changed? These are the steps I did before...apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone openssh-server, run ltsp-build-client, reset dhcp.conf IP's, restart dhcp-server, and then ltsp-update-sshkeys. Assuming that's ok, are there any tweaks I should ad
12:19
<vagrantc>
sounds good, although you shouldn't need to re-run ltsp-update-sshkeys
12:19
ltsp-build-client should handle that
12:19
<ogra>
LTSP, with 7.10 we switched to a squashfs image, if you make changes inside the chroot or run sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys, you need to run sudo ltsp-update-image afterwards
12:20
thats the most notiaceable difference
12:20
oh, and lts.conf sits in /vat/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386 on teh server now if you want to use it
12:20
*var
12:21
fsgaston, ubuntu hardy ?
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12:23
<ogra>
fsgaston, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glib2.0/+bug/210379 a fix is in the hardy-proposed repository, will be moved within a week to hardy-updates if we dont get negative reports
12:25
warren, looks like we''ll get a better fix for glib btw, pitti (martin pitt) said he will work on it
12:25
something that doesnt force subdirs and doesnt chocke on access()
12:26
<warren>
that means upstream is already aware?
12:26
<ogra>
pitti commented on the upstream bug
12:26
not sure he also noted that he will work on something better though
12:27
but we have many user complaints from users that mount remote dirs permanently on shared workstations for example
12:27
i.e. one WS 10 users that switch back and forth seems to be a common case
12:29
ah, i see he did
12:32
<warren>
I'm confused
12:32
we hit a brick wall like a year ago attempting to finda reliable way of telling if a directory is local
12:33
<ogra>
well, proc mounts lists all mounts, if you have a blacklist based on fstype you just need to check for names
12:33
s/names/fsnames/
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12:34
<ogra>
just add fses that are known to block on access() to that list ... done
12:35
thne it does work on all mounts regardless and will skip the blocking ones
12:37
<warren>
OK, it seems upstream doesn't care about Fedora moving most configuration from ltsp-build-client into ltsp-client
12:38
I was just checking
12:39
<ogra>
freel free to do it in the packaging :)
12:39
i mean thats maintainer scripts anyway, that change your config, no ?
12:39
preinstallation/postinstallation scripts i mean
12:39
<warren>
currently it isn't at all
12:39
currently it happens only in ltsp-build-client
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12:40
<LTSP>
Great help! I'm off to do some installing on 8.04!
12:40
<ogra>
i mean your desired solution
12:40
<warren>
yeah, just post
12:40
<ogra>
LTSP, have fun
12:40
right
12:40
so it wont affect anyone but you anyway :)
12:41
my packaging still differs massivelyfrom vagrants either, i guess thats something where we all will differ
12:41
and rarely have stuff in common
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<ogra>
even though i wonder why the mtab change for you is actually needed when it works for everyone else
12:42
<cyberorg>
we have /etc/mtab rw
12:42
<ogra>
if i were you i'D dig there first before applying hacks
12:43
in ubuntu and debian its a link to /proc/mounts
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<warren>
I rather not have it that way
12:45
because it can get confused when running in the chroot
12:45
/proc/mounts is the server!
12:46
<ogra>
does that matter ?
12:46
its a link
12:46
<warren>
the behavior of stuff in the chroot doesn't go weird?
12:46
<ogra>
it will be replaced during client boot with the clients /proc/mounts
12:46
<warren>
or it can screw with stuff outside the chroot
12:46
<ogra>
not here, no
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<ogra>
not happened yet either
12:46
<warren>
hey dan
12:47
<dan_young>
hey warren
12:47
<cyberorg>
warren, /proc is in client's ram
12:47
<warren>
cyberorg: that isn't what I'm referring to
12:47
<ogra>
cyberorg, not during chrooot building
12:47
crooooot
12:47
:)
12:48
i havent seen packages mucking about with /proc yet
12:48
only if they read from there you need to be cautious
12:48
i.e. if like in ubuntu the xserver package configures itself accordingly
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<warren>
eww
12:49
what does it configure?
12:49
<ogra>
it did run the configuration scripts which also read from /proc
12:50
it doesnt do that anymore since we dont have much config anymore :)
12:50
and it reads from sysfs instead checking for inut devices etc
12:50
*input
12:51
but thats moot, since we overwrite the config anyway
12:51
(and hopefully wont need any config at all anymore next release)
12:52
<cyberorg>
ogra, btw, did you write configure-x.sh? we're using it for opensuse 11.0 live :)
12:52
<fsgaston>
In LTSP - students can access their USB drive, but they see all of the USB drives mounted, how do I fix this so they only see theirs?
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<ogra>
ogra, yes, the initial version at least
12:53
cyberorg, ^^^
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<warren>
fsgaston: that's fixed in fedora 9, sounds like ubuntu has a fix coming
12:53
<ogra>
fsgaston, see my post to you from xx:24
12:54
<ogra> fsgaston, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glib2.0/+bug/210379 a fix is in the hardy-proposed repository, will be moved within a week to hardy-updates if we dont get negative reports
12:54
<cyberorg>
ogra, cool, it just seems faster than our sax2 tool, so for trial Beta3 live CDs are now using it
12:54
<ogra>
lol
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<fsgaston>
Does anybody have a good solution for setting up printers by client hostname?
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<rjune>
fsgaston: used to be in the LTS.conf you could define them.
13:25
fsgaston: How are things going for you? I've not talked to you in a while
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<fsgaston>
<rjune> Things are going well, staying busy with many schools and summer approaching.
13:32
<rjune>
Good, glad to hear it.
13:32
<irule>
hi guys, can you please tell me what is the status of sound on terminals latelly? I have not read anything about ltsp for a while
13:32
<rjune>
I met mike last month, I didn't realize just how big that guy is.
13:34
<fsgaston>
rjune - MikeĊ› role in the state is veyr important.
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<fsgaston>
rjune - I give Mike credit for starting this project and gettign linux in so many Indiana schools
13:35
<rjune>
Do you remember talking to me?
13:35
irule: Sorry, the only audio information I can give you is a couple of years old.
13:35
<ogra>
it just works :)
13:35
<rjune>
irule: ^
13:36
ogra: back in my day, you had to fight nasd, esd and artsd for audio. and you liked it.
13:36
<fsgaston>
rjune, was it at the openminds conference or when I called you.
13:36
<rjune>
ok, so you do remember and don't think I'm just some random nutjob
13:37
<ogra>
rjune, well, we started off with frekin esd and now have fine alsa emulation :)
13:37
<fsgaston>
rjune, how isy our LTSP setup going, aren you doing the thin fat clients?
13:40
<rjune>
ogra: I remember the ESD days.
13:40
painfully so.
13:40
fsgaston: nope, I'm not doing much LTSP right now. haven't for a while.
13:40
I'm not at the school anymore either, making routers now
13:41
<ogra>
rjune, what about your car, did you turn a sigle screw te last six monts ?
13:41
*the
13:42
<fsgaston>
rjune, are you coming to the openminds conference this year?
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<fsgaston>
<rjune> making routers?
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<warren>
I can't reproduce this dude's failure
13:47
modprobe nbd; use nbd-client
13:47
it fails for him if there's no sleep between the two
13:47
<rjune>
fsgaston: http://www.imagestream.com/
13:47
<ogra>
warren, weird, ever heard something like that
13:48
<rjune>
ogra: yup, crawled under it just the other day finally. mainifold is on the block, and exhaust is on the manifold
13:48
<fsgaston>
<rjune> do you want to chat in private seesion
13:48
<rjune>
sure
13:48
<ogra>
rjune, wow, kudos, mine starts to get covered in moss even standing in the garage :(
13:49
<rjune>
LOL
13:49* ogra didnt touch a wrench in 12 months and his ripped apart car waits and waits ....
13:49
<rjune>
that's no good
13:49
cars like to move
13:50
<ogra>
i really start to feel bad about it, i'll probably just give it someone for free to reassemble and drive
13:50
<rjune>
heh
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<rjune>
fsgaston: you not registered?
13:52
<fsgaston>
<rjune> no
13:52
<rjune>
fsgaston: /join #rjune
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<warren>
nbdswapd
14:07
# default to running mkswap
14:07
RUN_MKSWAP=true
14:08
why would you want it to not run mkswap?
14:16
is anybody actually using the nbdswapd script in ltsp-trunk?
14:16
I can't see how it could possibly work
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<laga>
odd. any idea what's causing the fstab to be overwritten even if CONFIGURE_FSTAB=false is set in lts.conf?
15:36
<johnny>
you broke it :)
15:37
dberkholz, i figured out my error, got boot from fresh install, just needed to manually run etc-update
15:37
and copy the kernel to the tfpboot with pcnet32
15:38
kernel and initramfs that is..
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<Q-FUNK>
asac_: would you have time to sponsor a package?
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<laga>
ogra: ping.
15:44
ogra: i'm afraid this changeset was dropped from the ubuntu package: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/revision?start_revid=vagrant%40freegeek.org-20080303192655-srxndbvafodxzl0q&filter_file_id=x_Matt_Zimmerman_%3Cmatt.zimmerman%40canonical.com%3E_Tue_May__3_20%3A51%3A41_2005_6467.0
15:45
ogra: you added it in 5.0.40~bzr20080212-0ubuntu3
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<asac_>
Q-FUNK: what kind?
15:50
<laga>
ogra: never mind. i looked at the wrong file. sorry. :(
15:51
<Q-FUNK>
asac_: an updated X driver for the most common chipset on LTSP hardware
15:52
<asac_>
Q-FUNK: open a bug; ill look and if i dont feel wise-enough ill forward bounce it to someone else
15:52
<Q-FUNK>
http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/x/xserver-xorg-video-geode/xserver-xorg-video-geode_2.9.0-1.dsc
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<Q-FUNK>
why open a bug? this is no NMU. I'm the maintainer.
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<dberkholz>
johnny: ok
15:55
<Q-FUNK>
asac: ?
15:58
<asac>
Q-FUNK: ok, so you are requesting a sync?
15:58
aeh sorry
15:58
<Q-FUNK>
asac: I first need it in Debian. then sync into Ubuntu.
15:58
<asac>
Q-FUNK: now i get you ... you ask for a sponsor for debian
15:59
<Q-FUNK>
yes :)
15:59
<asac>
was somewhat caught in ubuntu context
15:59
<Q-FUNK>
heh
15:59
the bug is already open in ubuntu. pitti is ok with the SRU, too
16:00
but we first need to get it into Debian
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<johnny>
dberkholz, i think i'm going to set CONFIG_PROTECT_MASK="" to automerge the openrc files, so that'll be out of the way
16:05
then it'll just be doing the initramfs overlay
16:05
i'm still slowly working on it.. just had some trouble with ubuntu troubles, and working on a personal site :)
16:05
trying to be able to blog about stuff like this
16:06
<asac>
Q-FUNK: pitti is ok with a full new upstream release as SRU?
16:06
<Q-FUNK>
asac: the diff is really small
16:07
asac: and it fixes a hardware issue with some ubuntu-inside certified hardware.
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<Q-FUNK>
asac: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-geode/+bug/214119
16:08
asac: http://gitweb.freedesktop.org/?p=xorg/driver/xf86-video-geode.git;a=summary
16:09
<asac>
Q-FUNK: ok, where is the ubuntu bug?
16:10
<Q-FUNK>
see above
16:10
<asac>
ah ;)
16:10
<Q-FUNK>
pitti agreed that it was pointless to open a separate sync bug, when the real bug to close is this one
16:14
as you can see from the git commit log, we changed one file, added one and updated the changelog. that's it
16:15
<dberkholz>
johnny: i just use wordpress.com for blogging so i don't have to deal with setup and admin
16:15
<asac>
Q-FUNK: what i dont get is that if i diff -ru the extracted tarball with the 2.8.0 one, in debian i don't see the diff from git
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<edgarin>
Hi!
16:16
<Q-FUNK>
asac: indeed, since git doesn't contain the autoconf result
16:16
<johnny>
dberkholz, workpress doesn't do enough for me
16:16
wordpres
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<asac>
like: $ diff -ur xf86-video-geode-2.9.0/ xserver-xorg-video-geode-2.8.0+git20080424/ | lsdiff
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xf86-video-geode-2.9.0/ChangeLog
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xf86-video-geode-2.9.0/configure
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but maybe i am just tired
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xf86-video-geode-2.9.0/configure.ac
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<edgarin>
Somebody know about of howto boot in a iMac G3?
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<dberkholz>
johnny: what do you need?
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<asac>
Q-FUNK: ah ok ... debian .orig.tar.gz already containted the main patch
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<Q-FUNK>
asac: yes, I had pulled it from git, to let people test it before calling it a release
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<johnny>
dberkholz, plus i am a web developer by trade in general
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and doing fun stuff with xmpp
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which i can't integrate into a site i don't have control over
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<asac>
Q-FUNK: something is broken
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<johnny>
last site i did, i integrated jabber accounts with site login
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<asac>
just dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -sa -kasac@debian.org fails
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<johnny>
and almost had post via jabber working
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for my own version of twitter..before twitter existed..
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<Q-FUNK>
asac: builds fine here in a pbuilder
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<asac>
make: Nothing to be done for `build'. fakeroot debian/rules binary
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make: Nothing to be done for `binary'. signfile xserver-xorg-video-geode_2.9.0-1.dsc
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<Q-FUNK>
?!
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<asac>
no idea i am using my sid chroot
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icedove worked fine there too
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Q-FUNK: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11187/
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<Q-FUNK>
asac: might be a good idea to check the arch: line of debian/control
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that will tell you why it's failing to build ;)
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<Q-FUNK>
asac: found the catch-22 ? ;)
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<asac>
yeah
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hmm ... have no i386 chroot i guess
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<LTSP>
Hi again, running the following step to install LTSP on Kubuntu 8.04 gave me: sudo ltsp-build-client
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NOTE: adding default dist and components to security mirror:
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http://security.ubuntu.com//ubuntu hardy main restricted
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I: Retrieving Release
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I: Retrieving Packages
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I: Validating Packages
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W: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hardy/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 was corrupt
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I: Retrieving Packages
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I: Validating Packages
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W: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hardy/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz was corrupt
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I: Retrieving Packages
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I: Resolving dependencies of required packages...
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I: Resolving dependencies of base packages...
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W: Failure trying to run: chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 mount -t proc proc /proc
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error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally
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<stgraber>
!pastebin
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<ltspbot`>
stgraber: Error: "pastebin" is not a valid command.
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<stgraber>
!paste
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<Q-FUNK>
LTSP: this channel is not called #pastebin
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<ltspbot`>
stgraber: Error: "paste" is not a valid command.
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<stgraber>
bah, what Q-FUNK says :) (I'm 90% sure there is a bot command for it :))
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<Q-FUNK>
asac: actually, was debian ever updated to accept source-only updates?
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öö.. uploads?
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<asac>
thats the point :-P
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<Q-FUNK>
asac: or does the debian dak still reject them?
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<asac>
i am setting up a sid32 chroot now
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no source only is still rejected
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now that debian has new Master it might worth another try ;)
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<Q-FUNK>
asac: the mentors dak accepts source-only, that's why I'm asking
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asac: ah yes, good point
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those recent nominations could do a lot of good for debian, if used properly
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<asac>
hopefully ;)
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<asac>
ok its building ...
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uploading ...
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done
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Q-FUNK: have fun ;)
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<Q-FUNK>
asac: ah, yes indeed. thanks! :)
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<asac>
welcome
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<Q-FUNK>
hm. dak is slow tonight.
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ah, it reacted now.
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