IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)


Channel log from 30 September 2013   (all times are UTC)

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03:32
<Guest93588>
doing a ltsp project in my laptop virtual environment
03:32
only one wifi card ..
03:33
can I create another virtual adapter and connect (pxe boot) the virtual thin client through this virtual adapter
03:33
hope I am explaining it right
03:33
all done in my laptop..thanks
03:34
<work_alkisg>
Is the laptop your ltsp server, or you have a virtual ltsp server?
03:34
<Guest93588>
that would have been easy..no laptop host OS is not the ltsp server
03:34
<work_alkisg>
It's actually easier with a VM server :)
03:35
<Guest93588>
installing xubuntu ltsp server in virtual box which has 2 adapter
03:35
<work_alkisg>
So, vm server == 2 nics, 1 NATted to wlan, and the other to internal network,
03:35
and ltsp client == 1 nic, to internal network
03:35
...done
03:35
<Guest93588>
yeah I get that....
03:35
just pushing the boundary...here
03:36
virtual box with one physical adapter and 1 virtual adapter
03:36
physical wifi which is bridged eth0 is the wan
03:37
<work_alkisg>
I don't know how well vbox works with encrypted and bridged wireless networks, you'd have to ask in the vbox channel for that, not here
03:37
<Guest93588>
wanting the second adapter to be virtual which will point to the clients
03:37
sure and thanks..
03:37
<work_alkisg>
The internal network adapter is easy
03:37
It'll just work
03:37
<Guest93588>
you mean the physical nics right
03:38
<work_alkisg>
What do you mean physical? A VM doesn't have physical NICs...
03:38
You bind eth0 to your host wlan as bridged, and eth1 to a virtual network... both eth0 and eth1 are virtual
03:38
<Guest93588>
sure but when you computer have physical nics VMs will recognise
03:39
<work_alkisg>
That's "bridged mode", yeah. It's still virtual though.
03:39
<Guest93588>
yes..I get that thanks
03:40
also xubuntu alternate Cd 12.04 cannot create the chroot LTSP envirnment.. I tried quite a few times...
03:40
any idea
03:40
or shall I use someother distro
03:44
<work_alkisg>
Install xubuntu first, and then run ltsp-build-client
03:47
<Guest93588>
sure.. but this exactly what I do not want to do..in alternate cd while booting press F4 and you get LTSP option
03:47
and this is what I choosing to install the LTSP server..
03:47
<work_alkisg>
It's not supported anymore
03:48
<Guest93588>
okay.....
03:48
and thanks..
03:49
<work_alkisg>
np
03:49
<Guest93588>
I have xubuntu as my host OS..and I got only wlan0 to connect to internet
03:49
can I still install thinclient in virtual box and test the envirnment
03:50
I mean which one will be my second adapter
03:50
so LTSP server is the host OS and thinclient in virtual box and only one physical nic wlan0
03:51
is this possible
03:51
<work_alkisg>
Didn't we answer this already? Above? ^
03:52
Ah sorry
03:52
You can create a "host only adapter"
03:53
And use that one as your second NIC
03:53
<Guest93588>
ahh... sure..makes sense.. let's see..thanks a lot
03:54
I still wonder why F4 Ltsp server mode while installing fail..
03:55
I mean the option is right there.. I am just trying to build a server just for LTSP environment .. do not really want all the packages that comes with Desktop environment
03:56
<work_alkisg>
The desktop environment is necessary for the thin clients
03:57
The alternate CD also has all the desktop packages
03:57
It's not the server CD, it's the alternate CD
03:57
<Guest93588>
Get that and thanks....
03:57
I will give it a go this eve..thanks a lot for your help...
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04:15
<pentest>
http://imgur.com/19Gkzfr
04:16
this is what I get at Xubuntu 12.04
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09:30
<JEJE>
Hi Gentlemen, I have setup an Ubuntu server, I am using xrdp to connect my HP t410 aio thin client users. I would like to disable authentication so that users connect directly without any password
09:33
<Hyperbyte>
!lts.conf
09:33
<ltsp`>
lts.conf: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
09:33
<Hyperbyte>
See LDM_AUTOLOGIN
09:37
<JEJE>
@Hyperbyte yeah I have that parameter in the ltsp.conf file, let me set the parameter and see the results
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10:20
<JEJE>
Gentlemen where can I find the lts.conf file
10:21
I need to enable autologin but dont seem to locate the file under opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
10:21
<muppis>
You can create it there. It doesn't exist by default.
10:22
!ltc.conf
10:22
<ltsp`>
I do not know about 'ltc.conf', but I do know about these similar topics: 'lts.conf'
10:22
<muppis>
!lts.conf
10:22
<ltsp`>
lts.conf: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
10:22
<ogra_>
and you should rather create it in the tftp root :)
10:22
not in the /opt chroot
10:23
<muppis>
:D
10:23* muppis didn't fully read the second line.
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12:10
<JEJE>
Can someone kindly post for me the parameters to add to enable auto login in the lts.conf file apart from [default] LDM_AUTOLOGIN = True
12:11
I still cant get my thin client to authenticate without password, am I missing anymore parameters in that file
12:11
<muppis>
You need add username and password to lts.conf aswell.
12:13
<JEJE>
ok cool is that all I have to add
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12:29
<map7>
How do I install nvidia drivers from the nvidia site in the chroot section?
12:29
I keep getting the error 'file is intended for the Linux-x86 platform, but you appear to be running on Linux-x86_64'
12:31
<workingcats>
map7, you got the wrong file, you need to get the one for amd64
12:31
aka x64 aka x86_64
12:32
<map7>
My server is 64bit, but my clients with the nvidia card is 32bit only
12:32
<workingcats>
alternatively, if your server is 64bit but the clients will be 32bit, you need to put linux32 before the chroot command
12:33
that should be sufficient
12:33
<map7>
ah cool
12:33
thanks
12:33
<workingcats>
yw
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12:34
<map7>
I was told that if I have ltsp clients with nvidia cards I should be installing the driver from nvidia.com, what do you think?
12:35
<workingcats>
cant really comment, i'm sure the people who said that have reason
12:35
but if at all possible i would stick to the distro's package management
12:35
or whatever the recommended method for your distro is
12:36
maybe they meant "use the nvidia caged driver", which doesnt necessarily imply "download it from nvidia.com manually"
12:37
<map7>
I'm using Ubuntu 12.04 and I've tried the nvidia-304 deb and setting my XSERVER=nvidia in lts.conf but no luck
12:37
<workingcats>
hm dont know ubuntu or nvidia's caged driver
12:37
<map7>
hmm, maybe when it did the dkms compile it compiled the driver for 64bit as I wasn't using linux32 back then.
12:38
<workingcats>
i buy amd because nvidia continues to refuse to even publish data sheets.. if they dont want my money, i'll give it to someone else ;)
12:38
that seems like a reasonable suspicion
12:38
<map7>
So do the AMD/ATI drivers work nicely now?
12:38
It's been a long time since I last tried
12:39
<workingcats>
i use the free ones and they work flawless for me, but ofc they have a significant lack of features (especially higher OpenGL versions) and game speed
12:40
i also used AMD's caged driver for a while and didn't have any problems. that was with the chipset HD3200. will know for a dedicated HD6670 soon ;)
12:42
<map7>
Ok well I've got an old ATI card which I could use instead, so if this doesn't work then I'll give that a go.
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14:22
<bennabiy>
alkisg: What script sets the plymouth artwork?
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<bennabiy_again>
I abandoned an chroot build in the middle, and now I cannot delete the directory...
14:36
What do I need to unmount from the chroot to give me access?
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16:14
<bennabiy>
alkisg: did someone revert the code back?
16:15
<vagrantc>
revert what?
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<bennabiy>
I just downloaded the latest ltsp packages, and it does not contain the code you commited
16:20
I am trying to set up a machine, which at one point used my PPA for my testing branch
16:21
I disabled the ppa, and tried to reupdate from repository, and it does not contain the changes in the Ubuntu folder
16:25
Hmm. What is the official way to remove a PPA?
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<vagrantc>
the code is still present in ltsp's bzr branch...
16:27
but only the initially merged bits, not the additional merge request
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<bennabiy>
yes. Please do not do the additional merge, although the first merge had one thing which needs to be fixed to be usable for most situations
16:33
there is one change in 000-basic-config which needs to change, I am still working on a different solution, but it is tricky
16:34
I am going to propose a merge with my new branch, fixing that one issue. Should only be one line diff in 000-basic-config, and an update on the variable naming in detect_vendor
16:35
<vagrantc>
bennabiy: if it's a trivial fix, may as well get it in
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<bennabiy>
ok. I am going to get a little lunch and then get it posted.
16:46
You going to be around for another hour or so?
16:50
<vagrantc>
bennabiy: i'll be on and off all day
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<alkisg1>
(07:19:24 μμ) bennabiy: I just downloaded the latest ltsp packages, and it does not contain the code you commited
16:57
bennabiy: the changes you get merged in upstream ltsp, don't get automatically published as packages. Distros only get them when ltsp tags + makes a release, and the distros sync with the upstream version
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<bennabiy>
does that mean I need to keep my ppa builds until that happens?
17:06
<alkisg1>
It means that you need to rely on your own builds for testing or personal deployments, yeah
17:07
<bennabiy>
How long is the delay until the changes made make it to mainstream?
17:07
<alkisg1>
It is mainstream
17:07
Distros are "downstream"
17:08
New distro releases happen ..when they do... e.g. altlinux might make another release in 10 years :P
17:08
(ok just kidding)
17:08
<bennabiy>
heh
17:08
<alkisg1>
The next Ubuntu release is 14.04, so it'll go there
17:08
bbl
17:08
<bennabiy>
thanks!
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<vagrantc>
well, it'll probably go there...
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<bennabiy>
ok, so I am about to push the changes to my branch
17:09* vagrantc hasn't made an ltsp rlated upload to debian since early this year
17:09
<bennabiy>
vagrantc: What else do you maintain?
17:09
<vagrantc>
kinda been half-waiting on ltsp6 developments ...
17:10
<bennabiy>
vagrantc: Is there anything I can preview regarding how LTSP 6 is going to affect Mint?
17:10
<vagrantc>
bennabiy: http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=vagrant@debian.org
17:10
though i haven't done much with debian-edu in years, or qemu stuff for the last year
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17:11
<vagrantc>
bennabiy: the only thing so far is the libpam-sshauth stuff ...
17:11
<bennabiy>
busy ;)
17:12* vagrantc rummages around for URLs
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<bennabiy>
I am having my ppa build to test my change before I submit it to you vagrantc
17:29
It will just be another 10 minutes or so
17:31
nope.. 1 hour.
17:32
Well, I will submit it and you can look at it.
17:32
only 2 lines changed... There are more that need to change, but this should unbreak it for now.
17:37
vagrantc: Awaiting review
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17:40
<vagrantc>
bennabiy: shouldn't it use "local lsb_release=..." in detect vendor
17:41
bennabiy: i don't see how that can work ...
17:41
if [ -n "$MINT_DIST" ] || ( [ "$(lsb_release -s -i)" = "LinuxMint" ] && [ "$option_dist_value" = "$(lsb_release -s -c)" ] ); then
17:42
option_dist_value will be set to whatever you specify on the commandline for --dist
17:43
<bennabiy>
The logic: Either I want to use these options if a) I manually set MINT_DIST or b) if my specified commanline dist = current mint dist.
17:44
It is a hack, and I am working on the separate file method to detect for all the different scenarios, but as it was, it was broken
17:46
<vagrantc>
but then you'll never be able to build mint, because DIST needs to be set to an ubuntu codename
17:46
<bennabiy>
no
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17:47
<bennabiy>
I could set MINT_DIST
17:47
<vagrantc>
sure
17:47
but if MINT_DIST is not set...
17:47
[ "$(lsb_release -s -i)" = "LinuxMint" ] && [ "$option_dist_value" = "$(lsb_release -s -c)" ]
17:48
checks if the --id is LinuxMint, and if --dist FOO is the same as lsb_release -s -c (which will return a mint dist)
17:48
<bennabiy>
yes
17:48
meaning run the mint code
17:48
<vagrantc>
but --dist raring will never match "lsb_release -s -c"
17:49
<bennabiy>
else just do standard ubuntu code hoping FOO = ubuntu
17:49
exactly
17:49
<vagrantc>
so why have the code at all
17:49
?
17:50
<bennabiy>
This is because alkisg wanted to make sure that someone on mint could build a non mint client
17:51
<vagrantc>
ah, it overwrites DIST in the code block
17:51
<bennabiy>
yes
17:51
<vagrantc>
but then it'll get set back in 001-set-dist
17:51
so the code is pointless
17:51
<bennabiy>
Hmm, good point
17:52
what if I cleared $option_dist_value in my code block
17:52
once DIST is set
17:52
<vagrantc>
don't mess with that... what's your goal here?
17:52
<bennabiy>
then 001-set-dist will not fire
17:52
<vagrantc>
you don't want to break --dist
17:53
<bennabiy>
how would it break dist?
17:53
If it only happened once I know what DIST needs to be? and only to a mint client?
17:53
it is not touching --dist at all
17:53
<vagrantc>
then what's the point of unsetting it?
17:54
why not simply: if [ -n "$MINT_DIST" ] || [ "$(lsb_release -s -i)" = "LinuxMint" ] ; then
17:55
it means mint can't build a plain ubuntu chroot, but other than that, it should work fine.
17:55
<bennabiy>
that was fine, but alkisg's cigar break about mint not making a plain CHROOT
17:55
yes
17:55
I am fine with that
17:55
I am trying to meet the concerns that you or alkisg bring
17:56
<vagrantc>
and sometimes we have different concerns :)
17:56
<bennabiy>
yes
17:56
sometimes :)
17:56
<vagrantc>
i think for starters, it's better to have it just work on mint for building mint
17:56
<bennabiy>
that was my thought
17:57
<vagrantc>
as long as you don't break regular ubuntu builds
17:58* alkisg though we all agreed 2 days ago... what changed since then?
17:58
<alkisg>
*thought
17:58
<vagrantc>
alkisg: the code didn't work?
17:58
<bennabiy>
there was a bug,
17:58
<alkisg>
Which one? I didn't see the code we talked about being committed...
17:59
<vagrantc>
i.e. if you can get it working with all cases, great, but first get it working for the default case of mint on mint, without breaking other distros
17:59
<bennabiy>
We never came to a conclusion about whether to pass those variables on the commandline or not, as to your proposed 001-set-mint-dist
17:59
<alkisg>
We said that part would work without any parameters, right?
17:59
mint on mint
18:00
And parameters would only be needed if one wanted a separate chroot, debian, plain ubuntu, whatever, as usual...
18:01* vagrantc seems to recall there always being something broken
18:01
<alkisg>
Meh the pastebin expired :(
18:01
<vagrantc>
we tried many permutations, but there was always something not quite right
18:02
<alkisg>
I don't remember anything being broken in the last try...
18:02
Want me to write 001-set-mint-dist again?
18:02
(09:47:29 μμ) alkisg: bennabiy: something like this, completely untested etc etc: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/3157376
18:02
(09:49:46 μμ) vagrantc: alkisg: could just check against $option_dist_value in configure, no?
18:02
(09:50:08 μμ) vagrantc: alkisg: that's a pretty good hack, though ...
18:03
(unfortunately the pastebin expired :()
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<vagrantc>
ah yes, that
18:03
alkisg: i seem to recall going over it more and finding something...
18:04
but maybe that was one of the previous dozen iterations
18:04
<alkisg>
You expressed a concern which was solved 3 sentences later
18:04
I don't think any issue remained unresolved with that approach
18:04* vagrantc will commit to a local branch next time at least, so as not to have it expire in a pastebin
18:05
<alkisg>
I could have put it for 1 month, but I thought bennabiy would take it from pastebin and commit it to his local branch...
18:05
<vagrantc>
oh yeah, that was the whole boolean_is_true tangent :)
18:05
<alkisg>
Yup, you didn't like the [ -n ] part :)
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18:09
<bennabiy>
Basically after seeing that, I had to go for an event, and thought I still had it up in my browser
18:10* bennabiy sighs...
18:11
<alkisg>
The idea is that we remember DIST and EARLY_PACKAGES in the command line phase, so that we can decide what to do on the configure phase,
18:11
because we want a different default for DIST and for EARLY_PACKAGES, but we don't want to change them if they were defined in a configuration file, in the environment or in the command line
18:13
That way a mint server builds a mint chroot without parameters, an ubuntu server builds a mint chroot if DIST and MINT_DIST are set, and a mint server builds an e.g. ubuntu chroot if DIST is set...
18:13
<bennabiy>
Was this involved? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/3172844
18:13
<alkisg>
Are there any loose ends?
18:13
No, that was the previous try
18:13
<bennabiy>
hmm
18:15
I do not have it any more...
18:15
Sorry alkisg :(
18:16
<alkisg>
No worries, if you want me to, I can rewrite it tomorrow
18:18
<bennabiy>
I remember what happened. It was right before the weekend, and I was on my way out and vagrantc encouraged me to start fresh with a new branch for this next change, so I made the branch and then left
18:18
but I forgot to commit the new changes
18:22
<bennabiy_again>
What is the best way to purge out all information regarding an installed program (I want to completely purge this computer of LTSP and then start fresh)
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18:25
<vagrantc>
reinstall the OS? :)
18:25
or install on a new machine?
18:25
virtual machines are good for that
18:27
<bennabiy_again>
heh
18:27
I guess I could do that, trying to avoid it if I can though
18:28
I need to ship this tower out tomorrow
18:30
If I need to tell the chroot which plymouth artwork to use, where would I do that (in the install script, I know how to do it manually)
18:30
would it default to using the last one installed?
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<bennabiy_again>
back in a sec...
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<bennabiy>
hmm
19:13
I just learned that I need to delete my old packages out of ppa if I am trying to install a "rolled back" version of the program
19:13
since using a different branch rolled back my revision numbering
19:13* bennabiy shrugs
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19:48
<bennabiy>
Hello IAFP
19:48
hello alkisg
19:48
<alkisg>
Hello :)
19:49
<bennabiy>
I just had someone tell me in greek that they are in the channel, but I have seen nothing said by them in the channel :)
19:49
alkis, I have to ask... Is that a picture of you in the support graphic on the ltsp webpage?
19:50
http://ltsp.org/images/ircsupport.png
19:54
IAFP, please talk here
20:02
IAFP, παρακαλούμε να χρησιμοποιήσετε το κανάλι για να μιλάμε, όχι την αλληλογραφία.
20:04
<IAFP>
good morning Please help me connect the ltsp server through a client application, which is not the normal boot
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20:07
<bennabiy>
IAFP: What distro are you using? How did you install ltsp? did you read the docs already?
20:07
!docs
20:07
<ltsp`>
docs: For the latest community documentation, see the LTSP wiki at http://wiki.ltsp.org/ For a PDF with official documentation, see https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_LtspDocumentationUpstream
20:09
<vagrantc>
IAFP: you want to connect to an LTSP server without using an LTSP thin client??
20:12
<IAFP>
ubuntu 12.04 lts....some
20:13
That's right!! vagrantc
20:14
<bennabiy>
IAFP: Are you looking for something more like RDP?
20:15
<brunolambert>
NX.
20:16
<IAFP>
tried xrdp but keyboard gets all mangled!
20:17
<vagrantc>
yeah, NX, RDP, VNC are all options to connect... nothing LTSP-specific about it, though
20:21
<IAFP>
vnc: not safe, session is open on the server rdp: unconfigures keyboard nx: not tested, but it seems that only connect to your own server
20:26
<alkisg>
bennabiy: about the picture, no, it isn't might, could be stgraber...
20:27
*isn't me
20:28
About the greek... IAFP talked to me in spanish in pm, and I replied to him in greek, so he might have used google translate to speak to you in greek? :O
20:28
<stgraber>
don't think that's me, that looks like a CRT and I don't believe anyone in North America ever saw me in front of one of these ;)
20:28
<alkisg>
Hehe
20:29
<bennabiy>
heh
20:29
<IAFP>
please someone!!!
20:30
<bennabiy>
IAFP: There is only so much advice we can give you if you are not wanting to use a program how it was intended.
20:31
what is the proper command to roll back a bzr branch to a previous commit?
20:31* alkisg knows bzr uncommit; bzr revert... dunno if there's a shorter way
20:31
<alkisg>
IAFP: google for "x2go"
20:32
<bennabiy>
can you specify which revision you want to go back to?
20:32
<alkisg>
It's an NX variant
20:32
<vagrantc>
bennabiy: there's some crazy way to do it with bzr merge...
20:33
<bennabiy>
hmm.
20:34
<vagrantc>
bennabiy: is it in a branch you've published publicly?
20:34
bennabiy: or just in your local copy?
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20:39
<IAFP>
thank you guys ..... but these solutions that have been passed already tested and not answer me ...... was wondering if there connecting the LTSP through remote software ... instead of thin client
20:41
<bennabiy>
IAFP: if you want security, tunnel through ssh
20:42
vagrantc: it could be either
20:42
<IAFP>
however ssh only text mode, need graphic
20:44
<bennabiy>
IAFP tunnel x?
20:44
<vagrantc>
IAFP: ssh -X (or ssh -Y)
20:44
<bennabiy>
yes
20:44
<vagrantc>
that's all LDM does
20:44
IAFP: i.e. that's all that LTSP does ... there's no LTSP-specific protocol
20:45
<bennabiy>
vagrantc: when you enable directx, what protocol is it using?
20:45
<alkisg>
IAFP: x2go is remote software
20:45
and it's graphic
20:46
<vagrantc>
bennabiy: it uses ssh for authentication, and plain X11 after that
20:46
bennabiy: X is a network protocol
20:46
<alkisg>
IAFP: say your requirements better. Graphic, remote, secure... x2go has all those. What else/
20:46
?
20:46
<bennabiy>
vagrantc: that is more what I was asking... if it still used the ssh for authentication
20:48
vagrantc: My need regarding bzr rollbacks would be something like... I find myself at a dead end halfway through a project, but I remembered that I was only one step away about 5 revisions back. How do I roll back to that point?
20:48
Say either case, one I pushed every commit to launchpad, the other is all just machine commits
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20:49
<bennabiy>
could I do bzr pull -r2488 lp:~...
20:50
in order to make a local branch of that revision?
20:50
<vagrantc>
bennabiy: you could fork a new branch off the specific revision, yes.
20:50
<bennabiy>
can that apply just locally as well?
20:51
<vagrantc>
yes
20:51
bzr branch -r2488 oldbranch newbranch
20:51
<bennabiy>
That would do what I needed
20:51
Thank you!
20:52
<vagrantc>
bennabiy: and you can overwrite the public version with --overwrite, but that's kind of a bad habit to get into.
20:52
<bennabiy>
so if I have to revert, it is better to revert to a new branch and then merge?
20:53
<alkisg>
bzr revert -r N, or bzr update -r N ...
20:53
<bennabiy>
vagrantc or alkisg: if you ever come to one of our delis, lunch is on me :)
20:53
http://www.yellowdeli.com
20:54
Most are 24 hr
20:54
<alkisg>
...and 24 hr away from be, but they look nice! :)
20:54
<vagrantc>
bzr uncommit is useful if you haven't pushed
20:54
<alkisg>
*me
20:54
<bennabiy>
does that have a limit?
20:55
<vagrantc>
bennabiy: you use LTSP at these delis?
20:55
<bennabiy>
like could I do it two times in a row to go back 2 commits?
20:55
vagrantc: for us, not for the public
20:55
but yes
20:55
We are a unique situation :)
20:56
The server I am working on right now is going to go to one of our delis in NY, for our office
20:56
We really like LTSP, which is even why I am spending time coding for it, among the other things I do
20:57
<vagrantc>
bennabiy: consider adding your story: http://www.ltsp.org/stories/
20:57
<bennabiy>
It would be hard to tell, but I thought of it
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<vagrantc>
bennabiy: i even recall bzr uncommit working multiple commits somehow, but that may have been an older version
20:58
<bennabiy>
I guess I could try it
20:58
Well, I need to go for now. I will be back later, and will probably try on the new server to hammer out some more code before I ship it off
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20:59
<alkisg>
bzr uncommit; bzr revert; and again as many times as one wants to... :P
21:00
<vagrantc>
bennabiy: bzr uncommit -r <version you want>
21:00
does multiple versions in a single go
21:01
<bennabiy>
Thank you!
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21:02
<bennabiy_away>
alkisg: if you get that code done, can you put the pastebin under bennabiy_todo
21:02
I will commit it as soon as I get it / get in
21:02
<vagrantc>
sometimes i'll make a bunch of local commits, and then bzr uncommit say 5 revisions, and them commit them all in a single commit.
21:03
<bennabiy_away>
So it just takes away the commits, but not the changes?
21:03
<vagrantc>
right, that's why you need to bzr revert if you want a clean slate
21:04
or bzr stash, if you want to hang onto them for a rainy day
21:04
<bennabiy_away>
Ahh! that makes sense
21:04
<vagrantc>
or is bzr stash called something else... ? shelve?
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22:23
<pentest>
Xubuntu 13.04 Host OS and LTSP server, 1 wifi card connected to Internet. Virtual Box installed with Thin Client Guest OS. Is it possible to have Thin Client boot-up with this LTSP server plz?
22:30
<vagrantc>
pentest: the thin client is a virtual machine?
22:31
<pentest>
yes indeed
22:31
followed this article
22:31
http://www.thefanclub.co.za/node/31
22:32
<vagrantc>
should be possible, sure.
22:32* vagrantc used to use virtualbox for LTSP testing agest ago
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<pentest>
yeah.. must be some setting issue..just trying to test this LTSP in my own laptop..
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<bennabiy_away>
back
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23:38
<bennabiy>
!bennabiy_todo
23:38
<ltsp`>
Error: "bennabiy_todo" is not a valid command.