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Channel log from 26 May 2019   (all times are UTC)

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18:21
<uumas>
I just noticed that there is "ltsp-client-builder: build an LTSP environment in the installer target" as an option in the debian buster netboot "Download installer components" section
18:22
Is that working and what exactly does it do?
18:23
<vagrantc>
haven't tested it recently, but it might work. i wouldn't recommend it as it defaults to creating a thin client.
18:24
these days the recommendation is to use chrootless fat clients
18:24
<uumas>
Yeah, I know
18:25
Are there plans to update it for ltsp6 or would it be better to remove the option entirely?
18:25
<vagrantc>
i had long been meaning to update ltsp-client-builder to build an environment more like the recommended setup
18:25
<alkisg>
ltsp6 wont exist at all; ltsp19 will be written from scratch, and support VMs and chroots
18:25
<vagrantc>
just haven't gotten around to it
18:25
and that :)
18:26
<uumas>
Well, at this point probably same to wait for ltsp19 :)
18:27
<vagrantc>
should be able to provide backports for ltsp19 when the time comes ... but at the moment sticking with ltsp5 in debian buster since it's in freeze
18:27
i was actually in the middle of doing some ltsp testing on buster today to make sure major bugs havne't leaked in since my last tests in december
18:28
<uumas>
Btw, how far is buster from becoming stable?
18:28
I noticed that lsb_release -a no longer says testing but debian10
18:29
<vagrantc>
sometime in the next couple months
18:29
would be my guess ... can't predict the future, though
18:31
<uumas>
Ok
18:31
<vagrantc>
which reminds me about at least one breakage in ltsp packages that might not be noticed until buster actualyl does become stable
18:45
<alkisg>
uumas: I successfully booted .isos as ltsp clients; so ltsp-build-client won't be even needed, you could use any .iso as thin chroot
18:47
<uumas>
What'd be the use case for that (or chroot)
18:48
<alkisg>
E.g. if you want to demo ltsp
18:49
<uumas>
So, do you mean an iso booted from say, usb or from an ltsp server
19:11
<alkisg>
E.g. you have a normal ubuntu installation and you want to try ltsp
19:11
apt install ltsp takes 10 sec; you already have the iso; in 20 sec you can demo ltsp
19:12
otherwise ltsp-build-client takes a lot of minutes, depending on net connection too
19:12
Or, some people want to work on fedora, others on ubuntu, others on debian; you can just have multiple isos
19:13
/home and accounts will be served as usual with ltsp
19:13
<uumas>
So the iso would be mounted over nfs, right?
19:13
<alkisg>
NFS file,not nfs dir
19:14
Same speed like nbd chroots
19:14
<uumas>
Yeah
19:14
<alkisg>
I put code for double-loop mounts
19:14
First loop mount the iso, then filesystem.squashfs inside the iso
19:14
(which is the ubuntu/debian etc image)
19:15
Or you can have a virtualbox vm and directly export that, as full raw disk
19:15
A bit slower, but doesn't need ltsp-update-image
19:15
The act of building a chroot isn't really useful; you can have a vm instead of a chroot; or you can just copy the contents of the vm in a dir
19:16
<uumas>
Why not just have that vm as another ltsp server? Would probably be easier to maintain
19:19
I can think of good use cases for mounting iso files, even outside ltsp
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19:37
<alkisg>
Sure the chrootless case will still be supported; the VMs are for those that want a different installation on the clients rather than on the server
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22:19
<vagrantc>
!howto
22:19
<ltsp>
Error: "howto" is not a valid command.
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22:22
<vagrantc>
"ltsp-update-image --cleanup /" behaves very strangely when ltsp-client* is not installed