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Channel log from 10 March 2009   (all times are UTC)

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<vagrantc>
ltspfs 0.5.10 is even more broken with the local mounting stuff
02:09
at least for me
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<Guest37841>
hi all, could someone help me please i am trying to use fedora 10 to run ltsp for a thin client and it wont work
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<Guest37841>
hi all, could someone help me please i am trying to use fedora 10 to run ltsp for a thin client and it wont work
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<cyberorg>
Guest37841, what exactly does not work?
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<Guest37841>
i cannot get the thin client to connect, i am not sure if i am doing everything correctly on the host
07:24
<cyberorg>
!docs @ Guest37841
07:24
<ltspbot>
cyberorg: Error: "docs" is not a valid command.
07:25
<cyberorg>
!doc
07:25
<ltspbot>
cyberorg: Error: "doc" is not a valid command.
07:25
<cyberorg>
lazy bot
07:25
Guest37841, have you followed the instructions for fedora?
07:26
<Guest37841>
yes i have the k12linux i downloaded and have followed the instructions that are on the desktop on installation
07:26
<cyberorg>
http://www.ltsp.org/~sbalneav/LTSPManual.html
07:26
Guest37841, is that ltsp 4.2 or ltsp5?
07:27
<Guest37841>
does it matter that i dont have a hub or switch, i am directly linking the thin clint from ethernet to ethernet?
07:27
ltsp5
07:27
<cyberorg>
yes it matters, for direct connection you need cross cable
07:27
<Guest37841>
i have tried 2 different computers as the host and no difference, i have a 1mtr cross cable installed
07:28
<jammcq>
well, if one side has a gigabit, then you don't need a cross-over cable
07:28
gigabit spec calls for auto detection of the cabling
07:28
<cyberorg>
jammcq, yeah, it was a surprise to me too :)
07:28
<jammcq>
anyway, I'm gonna crawl back under my rock
07:28
where it's nice and warm
07:29
<Guest37841>
so the software setup is no difference though?
07:29
<jammcq>
nope. we do all kinds of testing that way
07:29* jammcq needs to head to the office. bbiab
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<Guest37841>
ok, well i just changed the crossover cable to a straight through and rebooted, no difference
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<Guest37841>
i am also using fedora through virtualbox on windows vista, but that shouldnt matter either?
07:33
<schregge>
hello, what can i exprectint from a thinclient (via 533Mhz, 256 MB Ram, VIA 8MB graphic card) running at 1280x1024x16?
07:34
<AmosSam>
hello everybody
07:35
i'm having a problems installing ltsp5 on gentoo from ltsp overlay
07:35
does anyone here has expirience with it? thx
07:39
<schregge>
the thinclient is runnig very choopy (website scrollling, moving/resizing windows etc.). Is it the bad video card or should it run fine?
07:42
<AmosSam>
schregge: did you tried to change video driver? on few occasions vesa drives was behaving better then sis, at least for me...
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<schregge>
ok, i will try that. The probelm is, That i have several netvista n2800 and Thintune M (tk2250) clients, and they have all an PCI expansion slot.... But i could not buy anywhere a video card that works with the Mainboard. (i think the problem has something to do wiht the pci standards)
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<AmosSam>
i'm having a problems installing ltsp5 on gentoo from ltsp overlay.
09:17
does anyone here has expirience with it? thx
09:21
<Nubae>
AmosSam: you'll have to wait for johnny to come online, he's the gentoo guy, but as the title says, gentoo is getting close, meaning its probably still a bit of manual work to get ltsp 5 going
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<AmosSam>
i don't mind getting my hands dirty! :-)) and i already done some modification to almost finish installation. thanks for the tip.
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<webczat>
Are true serial port character terminals and normal xterminals used?
10:56
Or ltsp?
10:56
<mushroomblue>
so, is printing supposed to be prohibitively difficult under ltsp?
10:57
I'm trying to figure out if jetpipe is even working on the server.
10:57
er, client.
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<webczat>
?
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<mushroomblue>
I'm using normal xterminals.
11:06
define "normal"
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<webczat>
mushroomblue: Not a computer, but a central device with rom which loads something from rom and activates x server (xdm query), normal char terminal is the one that uses serial ports.
11:07
Are they used now?
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<AmosSam>
while i'm waiting; did anyone tried to create kerrighed cluster with ltsp-5? and is it possible?
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<mushroomblue>
AmosSam: I haven't, but that sounds like fun.
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webczat: not sure, actually.
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<AmosSam>
before few years i succeeded to build openmosix with ltsp-4.1(or .2).
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or it was diskless gentoo? i'm not sure...
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<webczat>
Where can i find the tun/tab utils?
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<nicros>
ah... what's happening to me
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<webczat>
?
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????
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<webczat>
egh i hate this.
11:43
<alkisg>
webczat: I think they're in bridge-utils
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<webczat>
No, no in bridge-utils.
11:51
So what?
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?
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<alkisg>
webczat: which command do you want to run? What are you trying to do?
12:07
<webczat>
Ok, i found.
12:11
I'm downloading a dynamic host configuration protocol server.
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<alkisg>
And you need tun/tap utils for that? :O
12:13
<webczat>
alkisg: Yes because ltsp installation is virtual (testing character sessions using qemu curses interface).
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<lucy>
hello jorge
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12:39
<lucy>
alguém aqui fala português?
12:39
<vagrantc>
otavio: ^^
12:40
lucy: mostly english, but some portuguese speakers around...
12:45
<lucy>
it is possible to install gcc in LTSP?
12:45
<vagrantc>
with LTSP5 it should be easy.
12:46
you should just need to chroot into the system and install the package, and regenerate the image if using NBD (such as Ubuntu)
12:46
<lucy>
and with 4.2?
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<vagrantc>
no idea.
12:47
<lucy>
I using opensuse
12:49
<otavio>
lucy: sim, eu falo
12:49
lucy: o que posso ajudar?
12:49
<lucy>
muito bom!!
12:49
<otavio>
lucy: heh; ento?
12:49
lucy: entao?
12:50
<lucy>
vc sabe se é possível instalar gcc no ltsp 4.2?
12:50
<epsas>
What are the best mailing LTSP mailing lists to subscribe to?
12:51
<lucy>
ou como eu posso compilar um modulo que possa ser carregado no kernel Ltsp (seja compatível?)
12:51
<_UsUrPeR_>
does anyone know if the Ubuntu 8.10 Alternate LTSP install creates an LTSP image with the "--copy-sourceslist" command?
12:52
<alkisg>
_UsUrPeR_: I do know that it doesn't need an internet connection to build the image, so yeah, I guess it uses copy-sources-list...
12:52
<_UsUrPeR_>
alkisg: ok, thank you.
12:53
<otavio>
lucy: em qual distro?
12:53
<vagrantc>
epsas: there's ltsp-discuss and ltsp-developer at lists.sourceforge.net ... there's some distro-specific lists as well
12:53
<otavio>
lucy: ou melhor ...
12:53
<lucy>
otavio: no opensuse
12:53
<otavio>
Folks ... lucy is interested to compile a kernel module to be used in the ltsp and his host system is a opensuse
12:54
<vagrantc>
lucy is also looking for LTSP 4.2
12:54* otavio has no experience in opensuse so I have no idea how to do that
12:54
<otavio>
vagrantc: yes; exactly
12:54
<vagrantc>
LTSP 4.2 is pretty difficult to work with, especially regarding kernel stuff
12:54
<Lns>
alkisg: if it doesn't need an inet connection why would it need to copy the sourceslist from the server (ala having -updates -backports etc) ?
12:55
<alkisg>
For the cd-rom
12:55
<Lns>
The media won't have it
12:55
will it?
12:55
<alkisg>
Lns, it does put the cd-rom in the chroot sources list...
12:56
Lns: deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 9.04 _Jaunty Jackalope_ - Alpha i386 (20090306)]/ jaunty main restricted
12:56
(from my chroot)
12:56
<Lns>
alkisg: right - but doesn't the --copy-sources or whatever simply copy from the server's sources.list ?
12:56
<epsas>
vagrantc - tyhanks!
12:56
<lucy>
Com LBE será que é possível?
12:57
<alkisg>
Lns, yes, the server also had this line during the debian installer... I don't get your question
12:57
<otavio>
lucy: O Vagrant disse que eh bem complicado com o LTSP 4.2... sinceramente nunca usei o LBE mas pq voce nao usa o LTSP5?
12:58
<Lns>
alkisg: right. i think i didn't get your initial response, you said "I do know that it doesn't need an internet connection to build the image, so yeah, I guess it uses copy-sources-list"
12:58
if it didn't need an inet connection why would it copy the sources.list ? wouldn't the default contain the CD-ROM (OH wait no it doesn't)
12:58
<epsas>
Where does the fedora LTSP activity happen? (mailing-list-wise)
12:58
<Lns>
k nm ;)
12:58
<alkisg>
Lns, Yup, that :)
12:58
<lucy>
é que a empresa para a qual estou trabalhando já usa LTSP 4.2
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<otavio>
lucy: infelizmente nao vou poder te ajudar; voce vai precisar dos binarios e do fonte d okernel e fazer a compilacao usando ele
12:59
lucy: nao acho facil
13:00
<lucy>
otavio: como assim?
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<otavio>
lucy: sim, para compilares um modulo para um kernel especifico precisas do fonte do kernel alvo
13:02
lucy: ou boa parte dele (headers e outros arquivos)
13:03
<lucy>
otavio: eu compilei com a kernel 2.6.20.9 para o kernel 2.6.20.9-ltsp-1 mas não deu certo
13:03
<otavio>
lucy: sim, claro que nao. depende das opcoes de compilacao e possiveis patches aplicados
13:03
lucy: se voce pegar o mesmo .config e os patches deve funcionar
13:04
lucy: mas vai dar um trabalhao :P
13:05
Folks; I explained to lucy that to build a module to a target kernel he needs to have the source of that kernel or the headers package. In case he wants to rebuild the kernel he needs to get the .config and patches used on the kernel to get same symbols and then a compatible module. Anyone has anything more to include?
13:06
<lucy>
tb tentei adicionar um kenel section com o kernel ltsp mas ele chama o Dhcp para construir arvore de diretórios
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<otavio>
lucy: ai nao conheco; eu sugiro voce avaliar a possibilidade de ir para o ltsp 5
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(I suggested him to evaluate the possibility to use ltsp 5)
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<lucy>
otavio: em ltsp 5 como eu faria?
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<otavio>
lucy: eu nao conheco o ltsp 5 no opensuse
13:10
lucy: mas como ele usa os pacotes de distros, ai fica mais facil
13:10
lucy: pq na pior das opcoes voce teria que compilar na distro do chroot e usar
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<lucy>
da chroot no diretorio e compila? ele usa gcc/
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otavio: da chroot no diretorio e complia ele usa gcc?
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<otavio>
lucy: sim, deve funcionar ... mas voce pode tambem fazer isso em outro chroot
13:15
lucy: voce pode copiar o chroot e depois somente colocar o que realmente precisa no chroot do ltsp
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<lucy>
otavio: Obrigada
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<otavio>
lucy: de nada
13:19
lucy: as ordens
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<maginot>
hi al
13:20
hi all
13:21
how can I use firewall rules for the ltsp clients, they always come to the fw with the ltsp ip address
13:21* otavio apologies, lucy is a lady ... and I was using "he and him".
13:22
<cliebow>
8~)
13:31* Lumiere notes that it is easier to assume everyone is male till proven otherwise ;)
13:31
<Lumiere>
cliebow: long time no see
13:31
<cliebow>
yeah!!
13:31
i been in and out.but havnt much to offer anymore
13:32
<Lumiere>
same
13:32
<cliebow>
is this Steve..( i foget
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<Lumiere>
it's Jason
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jstraw/misato/ayanami
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from long long ago
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(I did one of the old LinuxWorld Conference and Expo's in SanFran
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<cliebow>
brb
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<Lumiere>
k
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<cliebow>
yeah. we never met face to face..but Jim has mentioned you a bunch of times..
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<AmosSam>
is anybody inhere succeeded to install ltsp-5 on gentoo? or i still don't have luck?
13:54
<knipwim>
here
13:54
although i still don't have sound to be honest
13:55
<AmosSam>
did you had problems with ldm-9999 package
13:55
<knipwim>
whay kind of problems
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<AmosSam>
well, i't wont to emerge.
13:56
wait a sec till i find a error snipet
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<knipwim>
i think you have to emerge iso-codes
13:57
i had that error
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but check to be sure
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<AmosSam>
yes, i modified the ebuild to set iso-codes as dependency
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and intltool also
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<knipwim>
but still having problems?
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<AmosSam>
and after that it passes the point where it would trow an error before, and the it would throw an error about GLIB (some syntax error)
14:00
i can't find the error part now...
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<AmosSam>
ok, i found something similar:
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configure: line xxxx: syntax error near unexpected token `GLIB,'
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`PKG_CHECK_MODULES(GLIB, glib-2.0 >= 2.6.0)`
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and glib is 2.16.x
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<knipwim>
same here for my glib
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<AmosSam>
and also, i needed to disable sandbox feature, otherwise ltsp-client (i think!) wouldn't emerge
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knipwim: did you user ltsp-build-client or chrooted?
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<knipwim>
my ltsp-build-client failed
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<AmosSam>
i meant "did you used"
14:12
so you chrooted?
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<knipwim>
yep
14:13
what's your glibc version
14:13
i used/wrote the tutorial on gentoo wiki
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<AmosSam>
it's glibc-2.6.1
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ltsp-5 gentoo wiki?
14:15
here it's again:
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./configure: line 4609: syntax error near unexpected token `GLIB,'
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./configure: line 4609: `PKG_CHECK_MODULES(GLIB, glib-2.0 >= 2.6.0)'
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<knipwim>
yes, http://tinyurl.com/br33zk (gentoo wiki is unavailable)
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<AmosSam>
thx for the page
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<spears_1>
Good day. I'm planning to attempt an install K12LTSP 5.0EL on an IBM Netfinity 5500 M-20 server that I have here, but I have had issues with linux compatibility in the past on this system. Is anybody here familiar with this system, or able to offer advice?
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<AmosSam>
knipwim: but now i few short lines, can i now continue where ltsp-build-client stopped?
14:19
<knipwim>
AmosSam: but i don't what the message means
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<knipwim>
hmm? how do you mean, continue where ltsp-build-client stopped
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<AmosSam>
me neither, but if i run: ROOT="/opt/ltsp/x86" emerge ldm ; then it succeeds
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because it was on step: installing extra packages, after building a kernel and rebuilding tree
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<knipwim>
like, you need to emerge it in your client chroot?
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<AmosSam>
yes, and manualy it works
14:22
<knipwim>
yes, i see what you mean
14:22
the "installing extra packages" occurs in the client chroot
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<AmosSam>
yes
14:24
now, i can chroot into ltsp client directory and resume emerge, but what next?
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<AmosSam>
and i dont like to disassemble ltsp-build-client script to see what next i need to do!
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<knipwim>
i don't know the order of things in the script
14:25
you could check if necessary packages are installed on the client already
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<AmosSam>
this is last command that is executed: "emerge ldm ltsp-client"
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<AmosSam>
and the ldm-9999 package is last that is built!
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out of 69
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<knipwim>
so you got ltsp-client?
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<AmosSam>
well, probably. but the ltsp-build-client doesnt finishes because of ldm build error
14:29
it successfully builds the kernel and initramfs
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<knipwim>
have you tried booting the thin client and see what happens?
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as i said, i don't know what the ltsp-build-client script does exactly
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<AmosSam>
no, not yet. i'd like to finish client system to eliminate one variable from troubleshooting!
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ok, now i chrooted into client's chroot and run emerge --resume
14:37
same error
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<knipwim>
at what package?
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<AmosSam>
and in .configure script, on line where it said the error writes:
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PKG_CHECK_MODULES(GLIB, glib-2.0 >= 2.6.0)
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on ldm-9999
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only that one is left to build
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<knipwim>
anyone here knows what that line means?
14:39
it's clearly not looking for glib-2.6.0
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<AmosSam>
well, it check's is glib greater or equal to 2.6.0 (by my logic)
14:41
but, is 2.16.6 greater than 2.6.0 ?
14:41
<knipwim>
but glib 2.20 has not been released yet
14:42
<webczat>
Is nfs generarly better than ftp?
14:42
<AmosSam>
glib 2.20 ?
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<spears_1>
Good day. I'm planning to attempt an install K12LTSP 5.0EL on an IBM Netfinity 5500 M-20 server that I have here, but I have had issues with linux compatibility in the past on this system. Is anybody here familiar with this system, or able to offer advice? System configuration is P3 Xeon @ 550MHz x 4, 384MB PC-100 ECC RAM, rest can be found on IBM site via search as I don't remember off the top of my head... Sorry if I'm interrupting anyone else here.
14:43
<knipwim>
AmosSam: do you have liblbxutil ?
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<AmosSam>
in client's system?
14:43
<knipwim>
yes
14:43
<AmosSam>
no
14:44
do i need it?
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<knipwim>
i don't know :)
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<AmosSam>
i'll try to emerge it
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<knipwim>
but i see a ldm requires libutil in google
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<AmosSam>
:-(
14:45
same error, same line
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<webczat>
Is nfs generarly better than ftp?
14:46
<AmosSam>
webczat: for what?
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<knipwim>
AmosSam: you do have xorg-server ?
14:48
<AmosSam>
Wait a sec
14:49
hmm, interesting.... i _don't_ have it!!?
14:49
<webczat>
AmosSam: In general.
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<AmosSam>
well, i locally use nfs but for any file sharing outside LAN i use ftp
14:53
almost finished installing xorg-server....
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<webczat>
AmosSam: but why you locally use nfs?
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<AmosSam>
it's easier to setup and if i'm remembering correctly nfs is faster then ftp
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<webczat>
AmosSam: Ah. how to shutdown the ltsp terminal?
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<AmosSam>
but for security i can't tell you anything because i use nfs in small lan (below 15 computers)
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remotely?
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<webczat>
AmosSam: ?
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AmosSam: above question...
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<AmosSam>
knipwim: same error, same line...
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webczat: i don't know for ltsp-5 (yet!), but in ltsp-42 you have some scripts that help's yout
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also, you can do it with ssh
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<knipwim>
after emerging xorg-server and all dependencies? also INPUT_DEVICES and VIDEO_CARDS?
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<AmosSam>
yes
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<spears_1>
Still asking....Sorry to be a pest...... Good day. I'm planning to attempt an install K12LTSP 5.0EL on an IBM Netfinity 5500 M-20 server that I have here, but I have had issues with linux compatibility in the past on this system. Is anybody here familiar with this system, or able to offer advice?? System configuration is P3 Xeon @ 550MHz x 4, 384MB PC-100 ECC RAM, rest can be found on IBM site via search as I don't remember off the top of my head... Sorry i
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<epsas>
ello -
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does anybody know how to run an ltsp client under emulation?
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<epsas>
(preferably in a free emulator that runs in linux)
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<webczat>
Can i manually create configuration fire of ltsp?
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<AmosSam>
knipwim: i'm leaving now. i need to get a caffeine shot! i'll be back in half hour or so, and if you are willing to help, i'll try ltsp-build-client with funtoo stage?
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<knipwim>
ok...
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or build from chroot :)
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that might be quicker
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<webczat>
?
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<AmosSam>
well, that's a possibility, but i'd like to make script to work!
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<knipwim>
me too
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but if it isn't ...
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<AmosSam>
last year i build a diskless gentoo in chroot, a full blown client that had a nfs root.
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<webczat>
AmosSam: can i create config file of ltsp manually?
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<alkisg>
epsas: I
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<AmosSam>
so it's not a problem to build it with chroot, but i would like to make script work!
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<alkisg>
epsas: I'm using vbox, it's really easy to use as a client
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<AmosSam>
webzcat: what config file?
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<webczat>
AmosSam: lfs.conf
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<alkisg>
epsas: But also some other vm programs will work fine...
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<AmosSam>
webczat: sorry but i can't help you with that! it was a few years since my configuring ltsp! and that system is long gone!
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<webczat>
AmosSam: not helping. i mean, is there any doc to manually do it?
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<alkisg>
!lts.conf
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<ltspbot>
alkisg: "lts.conf" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtsConf
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<alkisg>
webczat: ^^^
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<webczat>
alkisg: manually!
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<AmosSam>
see you later...
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<alkisg>
webczat: yes, manually, the web site won't do it for you..... :)
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<webczat>
alkisg: manually, not with gui or text mode configurer.
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<alkisg>
webczat: yes, manually, the link I gave is just a help page, did you click on it?
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<webczat>
I did.
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<alkisg>
And you found a gui or text mode configurer there? !!!
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<webczat>
Hmm, ltsp is really good.
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<webczat>
Hmm...
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Why syslog remote connection is needed in ltsp?
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<knipwim>
else logging is done on the client, and erased when the client shuts down
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webczat: what distro?
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<webczat>
knipwim: gen2.
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<JeffATL>
i'm a longtime gentoo person and am wondering about LTSP-like environments...i note gentoo is mentioned in the topic. how is that working out at the moment?
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<knipwim>
JeffATL: experimental
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<Guest42335>
hi all, i am having trouble getting ltsp to run in fedora, if someone could help that would be great
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<Guest42335>
hi all, i am having trouble getting ltsp to run in fedora, if someone could help that would be great
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<Lns>
!question
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<ltspbot>
Lns: "question" is if you have a question about ltsp, please go ahead and ask it, and people will respond if they can. please also mention the linux distro and release you're using. :)
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<Lns>
Guest42335: ^^^ =)
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<AmosSam>
Lns: how do you use that command? sorry on probably stupid question but i haven't joint to irc for years!
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<Lns>
AmosSam: the !question command?
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it's an irc helpbot
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<AmosSam>
aha, ok, thx
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<Lns>
;)
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<kaos01>
hi, i got LTSP5 working, its wery nice, but the initial login seems to take ages (about 4 minutes)
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<kaos01>
anybody have any ideas as to why this possibly coul dbe ?
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<monteslu>
kaos01, which distor?
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distro
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<kaos01>
fedora10
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<tessier>
Hello all!
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I have just received my Term 1520 and am preparing to install LTSP 5 for the first time.
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<tessier>
I know, you are all very excited for me. I can feel it.
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Looks like ltsp tries to do some fancy bridging stuff when it boots up...that might complicate things with xen...
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<loather-work>
fancy bridging stuff? ugh
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<vagrantc>
tessier: on fedora?
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nothing inherrant about bridging and ltsp
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