IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 22 June 2012   (all times are UTC)

00:07
<highvoltage>
vagrantc: hmm, /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf doesn't seem to be used on debian if it exists
00:10
<vagrantc>
highvoltage: nope
00:11
i do recall including some documentation to add an include line to /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf
00:12
https://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto
00:14
<highvoltage>
I just like having it easy for everyone :)
00:15* vagrantc thinks having /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf be silently ignored is a bad idea
00:15
<vagrantc>
i generally prefer dnsmasq anyways :)
00:15
<highvoltage>
heh
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05:04
<joulez>
hello, trying to get local disks active, i set LOCALDEV_DENY_INTERNAL_DISKS=False
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10:31
<davew>
Anyone know anything about menu editor whereby clients screens can be set up for members of groups
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13:58
<jammcq>
knipwim: ping
14:03
<ogra_>
hey jammcq
14:06
<knipwim>
jammcq: pong
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14:07
<prpplague>
jammcq: hey there
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14:15
<jammcq>
prpplague: HEY !!!
14:15
how's it going
14:15
<prpplague>
jammcq: going pretty good!
14:15
<jammcq>
knipwim: hey, sbalneav has created an account on the wiki but i'm unable to grant him admin rights
14:15
somehow I don't have permission to do that
14:15
<prpplague>
jammcq: was in a meeting last week and somone asked "anyone have experience with thin client and LTSP?" hehe
14:15
<jammcq>
prpplague: I was following your google+ for a while. seems like you've landed yourself a pretty nice job
14:15
hahahah
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14:16
<prpplague>
jammcq: yea its doing pretty well, we'll see if there renew my contract in the fall
14:16
<knipwim>
jammcq: okay, i'll look into it
14:16
<jammcq>
knipwim: I am still in the 'administrators' group
14:16
I just can't do that one thing
14:16
<prpplague>
jammcq: not following me anymore? hehe
14:17
<jammcq>
knipwim: maybe I need to be in the 'Beureucrats' group
14:17
prpplague: having problems with g+ multiple accounts, apps for business issues
14:17
I can't keep track of g+ anymore
14:17
<prpplague>
jammcq: ahh
14:17
jammcq: http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/21/hp-passport-1912nm-internet-monitor/
14:17
<jammcq>
one day I'll figure it all out
14:17
<prpplague>
jammcq: got to do some testing for network booting for that
14:18
jammcq: i need to setup the latest LTSP and do a few tests with it
14:18
<jammcq>
wow
14:18
<highvoltage>
stgraber: do you have any thoughts on changing the default ip range in ubuntu for ltsp to 192.168.67.0?
14:19
<knipwim>
jammcq: yeah think so
14:19
jammcq: you have the admin account?
14:19
<jammcq>
knipwim: ah yeah
14:19
I do
14:19
I'll fix it
14:20
duh
14:20
<knipwim>
tell scott i'm in the web channel if he wants to discuss things
14:20
<prpplague>
jammcq: it's OMAP4430 based, pretty low power and really nice
14:21
jammcq: only problem is the net connection is via USB, so there are few things i have to do get it all booting from network
14:22
<stgraber>
highvoltage: how will you deal with upgrades?
14:22
<jammcq>
knipwim: all set. we are all bureaucrats now :)
14:22
stgraber: hey, any word on UDS in the fall ?
14:22
<stgraber>
jammcq: 99% sure it'll be in Europe
14:23
<prpplague>
jammcq: you making it out to any conferences in the fall?
14:23
<highvoltage>
stgraber: hmm, I guess for old systems it should keep it like it is, but yeah I don't want to think about it right now so I guess I'll take it all back :)
14:24
<stgraber>
highvoltage: thanks :)
14:24
<jammcq>
stgraber: any word on dates?
14:24
<stgraber>
jammcq: yeah, I believe we have the dates also somewhere around 90% sure, let me check quickly
14:24
<jammcq>
tanks
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14:25
<stgraber>
jammcq: 29th of October to 2nd of November
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14:31
<jammcq>
stgraber: awesome, thanks
14:31
and that's about 90% reliable?
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14:32
<prpplague>
jammcq: hows biz on your end of things?
14:33
<stgraber>
jammcq: yeah, so far that's what we know internally. As far as I know they haven't signed with the conference center yet, so it may change but is pretty unlikely.
14:33
<jammcq>
prpplague: it's been a pretty tight couple of years, but i'm seeing some light at the end of the tunnel
14:33
<prpplague>
jammcq: oh? general economy stuff?
14:33
<jammcq>
stgraber: so... because it's in europe, we should allow some time between UDS and BTS
14:34
prpplague: yeah... when times got tough in 2008, we were still doing really well. it didn't hit us until 2010, but it hit pretty hard
14:35
<prpplague>
jammcq: ahh
14:35
<jammcq>
stgraber: so... we'd prolly shoot for Oct 18-21
14:35
or maybe nov 8-11
14:36
but... with that bad weather we saw last year on the last day, i'd vote for earlier
14:36
<stgraber>
jammcq: earlier will be difficult for me because we release Ubuntu on the 18th, so it's a no-go
14:36
<jammcq>
hmmm
14:36
that's bad
14:36
<stgraber>
jammcq: and I'll likely already be in Europe at that time for release
14:36
<prpplague>
jammcq: well if you make it to any of linux conferences in the fall be sure and let me know
14:36
<jammcq>
well... maybe we need to do later then
14:37
prpplague: sure. I haven't had the pleasure of doing a conf it quite a while
14:38
<stgraber>
jammcq: later would certainly work better for me or having it much earlier in October
14:38
<jammcq>
stgraber: hmm, later might be a problem for the seawall
14:38
how early would you like?
14:39
stgraber: what if it was Oct 4-7 ?
14:39
<stgraber>
jammcq: looking at the calendar, the first weekend of October would be best I think (4-7)
14:40
<jammcq>
heh
14:41
<stgraber>
jammcq: but I'm not the only attendee so it's certainly worth poking the usual others too :)
14:41
highvoltage, ogra_: ^
14:43
mgariepy: ^
14:45* ogra_ isnt sure if he comes
14:45
<highvoltage>
stgraber: it's cutting it a bit close to releast time don't you think?
14:45
<ogra_>
i would actually prefer to have a BTS in europe this time :P
14:45
right, we'll be busy for exactly the three weeks around the release
14:45
<jammcq>
ogra_: you get canonical to sponsor us and we'll go anywhere you want :)
14:46
<stgraber>
highvoltage: yeah, it does, I wouldn't mind having it mid-September FWIW but not sure how that'd work for other people
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14:46
<sbalneav>
Morning all.
14:46
<jammcq>
Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
14:46
<ogra_>
jammcq, stgraber's job ... he owns LTSP in ubuntu now :P
14:46
<sbalneav>
Got my first cut of the docbooktowiki script going.
14:46
<stgraber>
ogra_: hehe, I do as long as it's on my spare time (or when it's messed up enough that the alternate images no longer build) :)
14:47
<ogra_>
(though its the same manager we would have to ask so it doesnt really matter to whom he says no i guess )
14:47
<sbalneav>
http://server.ltsp.org/wiki/LTSPManual
14:47
<highvoltage>
stgraber: I guess there's a chance I could just not make bts this year but I'll survive :)
14:47
<sbalneav>
Looks like crap right now, but it's actively parsing the XML, and at least getting some structure out there.
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14:48
<jammcq>
highvoltage: what's the different if you work on the release stuff in montreal or maine?
14:49
<ogra_>
HW access ?
14:49
<highvoltage>
jammcq: I could do it in maine, it would just mean that I'd be physically present but my mind wouldn't :)
14:49
<jammcq>
if he's having hw problems, seems like bts would be the best place
14:50
<highvoltage>
jammcq: I already felt bad last time for being so distracted by other stuff :)
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14:51
<ogra_>
i didnt say HW problems ...
14:52
if i would want to do release testing in maine i would have to carry two extra suitcases for all the HW i need fo rteh different arm arches i test
14:52
<mgariepy>
for me mid sept would be nice ;)
14:52
<stgraber>
mgariepy: that'd work quite well for me too actually (I've got stuff in August and stuff in October/November but September is completely free, well, besides usual work)
14:53
<jammcq>
I think earlier becomes a problem for the seawall. we can usually get in there because the tourist season is over
14:53
<highvoltage>
the make-a-wish cycle thingy is happening on 14-16 sept so that would be a bad time for me
14:53
<jammcq>
usually into about mid-oct
14:53
not even sure we can do oct 4
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14:54* jammcq is calling the seawall right now
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14:55
<jordanm>
does graphics rendering occur on the server side? The manual doesn't mention any video card requirements
14:55
<ogra_>
jammcq, please ask about speedbump !
14:55
jammcq, they removed his pic from the website and i'm worried !
14:55
<jammcq>
ok, dave's not in right now. talked to Mindy
14:56
remember her? she's the one that used to be a waitress at the breakfast place
14:56
<ogra_>
yep
14:56
<jammcq>
the one that likes Ron so much
14:56
<ogra_>
the one e asked for a ride
14:56
<jammcq>
yeah
14:56
anyway, I can talk to Dave later today to begin nailing down a date
14:56
<ogra_>
(and she was to scared ny driving around with ron, so we had to take a taxi) :P
14:57
well, plkease ask about speedy (and tell them their new website is horrid)
14:57
<jammcq>
she's the manager at the seawall now
14:57
<ogra_>
cool !
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14:57
<jammcq>
jordanm: all rendering happens wherever the monitor is plugged in
14:58
<ogra_>
well ...
14:58
depends on the technology
14:58
<jammcq>
well... a fancy graphics card in the server doesn't do much
14:59
<ogra_>
indeed
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<ogra_>
but a properly written GL app would for example speed up rendering a lot since the server only needs to send vectro changes across the net
15:00
*vector
15:00
but indeed the final rendering will still happen on the client
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15:13
<jordanm>
jammcq: ogra_: thanks for the info
15:14
I am trying to determine why the clients are "slugish". I am only testing a single client at a time, on a machine well above recommended specs. resource usage is low and the network is 1Gb/s, not sure what else to look at
15:18
<ogra_>
did you try LDM_DIRECTX ?
15:21
<jordanm>
ogra_: no, I will give that a try
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18:20
<highvoltage>
so.
18:21
<Hyperbyte>
.os
19:00
<dead_inside>
so.os
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<ball>
Anyone here understand xdm, xdmcp and the "chooser"?
20:10
<Hyperbyte>
!ask
20:10
<ltsp>
Hyperbyte: ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least 15 minutes after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
20:12
<ball>
OK then. :-) I need to learn how to use the "chooser" but I don't have a manpage for it and it doesn't seem to recognize -help, -version etc. Although i'm not using it in an ltsp environment, ltsp uses X terminals (I'm told) so I thought perhaps someone here might know.
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20:46
<ball>
Aha, perhaps it's not finding xdmcp on my LAN
20:47
Does an LTSP server run that?
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20:57
<ball>
Is it difficult to install ltsp on an existing Linux box?
21:06
<knipwim>
not really
21:06
depends a bit on the os
21:08
<ball>
She's running Qimo, which is a Xubuntu-derivative
21:10
<knipwim>
and you want to run an ltsp-server on it?
21:10
<ball>
knipwim: Eventually perhaps. It would be nice for her to be able to open a session on it from elsewhere in the house
21:10
<knipwim>
take a look in the package manager to see if an ltsp package is available
21:11
<ball>
ltsp-server, apprently.
21:11
Let's try that.
21:12
Out of interest though, is there some way to make gdm offer XDMCP ?
21:12
<knipwim>
sorry, not my field of expertise
21:13
<ball>
OK. I'm installing the ltsp-server package
21:24
<Hyperbyte>
ball, sure...
21:24
Try googling a bit
21:24
I know that's a cheap answer, but there's tons of documentation on xdmcp.
21:25
Heck, there's even a special page for it on the Ubuntu wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/xdmcp
21:25
I'm thinking you're taking a bit overkill approach though
21:25
If you want to take over a session from somewhere else in the house, I'd suggest VNC or NX.
21:26
Personally, I run a VNC desktop on my network server at home. It has my mail programs, notes and even this IRC client running in it. :)
21:26
<ball>
We have VNC in place and working now. I was hoping to try X too though.
21:27
<Hyperbyte>
I can even use my Android phone to connect to my VNC desktop. ;-)
21:27
<ball>
I've been trying to build an X terminal, but I'm not making much progress
21:27
...mostly I think because I don't know how to bring up xdmcp on the Linux box
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21:28
<ball>
This is partly for use at home, but also because I want to understand thin clients and X terminals for use at the office.
21:28
<Hyperbyte>
Well, luckily I just gave you a link with lots of information. And you can find lots more on Google. So... good luck! ;-)
21:28
I'm off to bed.
21:28
<ball>
Thanks for the link.
21:29
<Hyperbyte>
Good luck... if you need more help, feel free to ask here...
21:29
<ball>
Thanks
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<alkisg>
Anyone knows which component is responsible for showing the user name in the upper panel in gnome-session-fallback? It's not working in fat clients...
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