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Channel log from 16 December 2008   (all times are UTC)

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<nataraj>
hi
02:51
how do i host LTSP server on a Windows machine?
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<Appiah>
?
02:56
well you dont..
02:56
unless your thinking of virtual servers
02:57
May I ask what you are planing on doing nataraj ?
02:57
<nataraj>
well
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<nataraj>
it is for a client who wants to have thin clients using linux
02:58
but wants to have the server files like pxelinux.0 kernel initrd etc and the FS image on Win XP
02:59
<Appiah>
So you want the pxe part on a windows machine
02:59
<nataraj>
yeah, all the stuff on the LTSP-5 server
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<Appiah>
You will need a tftp server for WinXP then I'd guess
03:00
<nataraj>
Actually
03:00
i have seen this guy doing something like ltsp on Windows machine
03:01
<Appiah>
Ask him then?
03:01
<nataraj>
i mean booting linux over pxe
03:01
well, i can't
03:01
<Appiah>
Oh yes that's possible
03:01
But you will have to edit alot by yourself
03:01
<nataraj>
i cant ask him
03:01
i was referred in by another guy
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<Appiah>
just find out a software to run your pxe on WinXP then
03:05
My approach would be to 1) install the LTSP server and make it work 2) Turn of pxe/tftpt 3) copy the images and pxe stuff from LTSP to my WinXP Machine
03:06
4) Edit the configuration files the needs to be edited
03:07
Wanna explain the reason for running the Pxe part on WinXP btw?
03:09
<nataraj>
this is a former M$ employee
03:09
i meant this guy
03:09
what he wants is ,
03:10
to use Rdp client to connect to a Windows terminal service via linux
03:10
he is well versed in Windows ,not linux
03:11
<Appiah>
ok
03:11
build the ltsp-rdp envoirment in linux then
03:12
and copy it to the tftp/pxe on WinXP ?
03:12
<nataraj>
one question is that
03:12
Ltsp-5 depends very much on the host OS
03:13
<Appiah>
you wont be doing this with "LTSP-5"
03:13
<nataraj>
oh, ok
03:13
<Appiah>
Dont see why you should
03:14
<nataraj>
mmmm, i was trying out Ltsp-4.2 with Intel Atom thin client machines
03:15
after pxe loads the kernel, the network card isnt getting detected
03:15
<Appiah>
I think you better of doing this "from scratch" or how should you say...
03:16
Dont think there's a ltsp-rdp package for any dist(?!)
03:16
<nataraj>
well, rdp client is not the problem
03:17
initially
03:17
<Appiah>
Can you build a client image?
03:17
<nataraj>
i need the thing to boot into linux from XP server
03:17
<Appiah>
I'll take that as a no then
03:17
Well good luck
03:17
<nataraj>
i mean using linux kernel
03:18
sorry
03:18
dont get me wrong
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<Appiah>
If you succeed you can send mail to the mailinglist telling how you did it , would be intressting to see how you solved it
03:18
<nataraj>
no wait
03:18
<Appiah>
wait what?
03:18
I'm going
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<nataraj>
pxelinux.0
03:18
kernel
03:18
file system
03:19
do we need anything else?
03:19
file system gets installed in /opt/ltsp/i386
03:20
i am talking about ltsp 4.2
03:20
<Appiah>
I'm bad at that stuff since I only have experince with LTSP-5 and the scripts builds that easily for you
03:20
<nataraj>
how do i make a .img of the file system?
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<Appiah>
and have yet to run into a client that does not boot
03:21
you can check the scripts ltsp-build-client and such and see how they do that nataraj
03:21
now I gotta go
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<nataraj>
same here. dont know what happens inside
03:21
bye cya
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<Appiah>
made with dd probly
03:26
<nataraj>
ok
03:27
any way to simulate the whole thing by hand?
03:27
like using uBoot bootloader
03:28
where we can download each component from Nfs or tftp to specific locations and then run
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<petre>
warren, ping
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<polytan>
hi
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<pasmen>
hi
07:37
i'm trying to solve with local devices and rdesktop script
07:38
i run rdesktop screen.d script as the only script on thin client, and i would like to have access to local devices
07:38
is there any way how to do this?
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<ced_>
hi pasmen
07:53
Why don't you use ltspfs ?
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
hello #ltsp
07:54
<pasmen>
i would like to use it, but as i understand the overall mechanism, ltspfs is only used together with ldm
07:54
i managed to start rdesktop using a script via LDM_SESSION parameter in lts.conf
07:55
but that makes the server very busy for 50 concurent users
07:55
and does other problems as well
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<ced_>
Ok. I can't help you. I don't know rdesktop.
07:58
<pasmen>
ahh ok, thanks anyway
07:59
but it's not about rdesktop in particular, the only requirement for me is to have local devices accessible on the thin client via some automount mechanism
08:02
<ced_>
I'm confused because I think that ltspfs is independant of the session's type.
08:02
Do you enable FUSE on the server ?
08:04
<ogra>
ced_, ltspfs needs some very special setup for rdesktop, wait for Gadi to show up, he knows about that
08:04
<ced_>
If I understand, you've got one LTSP server (Linux), one Windows server and many thin clients.
08:04
Ok.
08:05
<CAN-o-SPAM>
#LTSP: Help Promote Our Project! Digg This Article: http://www.heise-online.co.uk/open/The-Linux-Terminal-Server-Project--/features/112254/4
08:06
<ogra>
CAN-o-SPAM, eeek
08:06
"A tool that promises to help avoid this, the LTSP Manager, is currently under development, but it's still in an alpha version."
08:06
LTSPManager is a nonfunctional mockup
08:07
<stgraber>
it's also speaking of s-c-p which stopped to exist with Hardy
08:07
<ogra>
thin-client-manager is unmaintained
08:07
<CAN-o-SPAM>
ogra: why, are you squeeking?
08:07
<ogra>
stgraber, it still exists
08:07
but the only change it saw since hardy was me disabling vnc
08:07
<stgraber>
ogra: hmm, right. Just not used anymore :)
08:08
<ogra>
CAN-o-SPAM, well, i'm the author of the tools mentioned in the article and know about their (non working) status
08:09
<CAN-o-SPAM>
ogra: it's ok, any publicity is good, i hope you put your make up on today, because i'm bringing a spotlight
08:09
<ogra>
CAN-o-SPAM, the tool used and recommended in ltsp across the board in ubuntu since about a year (since stgraber takes good care of it) is italc
08:09
(and only italc, since it fulfills all needs at once)
08:09
all other tools are dead
08:09
or in zombie state since quite a while
08:09
<pasmen>
ced_: yeah, that's what configuration i have
08:10
<CAN-o-SPAM>
ogra: anyword from the hardware guy over at canonical?
08:10
did u bum him a smoke from me?
08:10
<ogra>
he said he contacted you ?
08:10
<pasmen>
the problem is, when i plug i.e. usb key in, directory appears in /var/run/drives, but is empty
08:10
<ogra>
CAN-o-SPAM, you should have mail from "marc tardif"
08:10
<pasmen>
as i've read somewhere, ltspfs depends somehow on gvfs
08:11
<CAN-o-SPAM>
ogra: no mail
08:11
<ogra>
i'll poke him again ... if i see him
08:11
<ced_>
pasmen: so the difficulty you have is that the LTSP server shall tell to the Windows server that one of your thin client has a new device.
08:11
<stgraber>
he's on IRC, joined 4mins ago
08:11
<ogra>
he said we dont have a cert programme for thin clients specifically, but he can certify the HW with attached disk and had mailed you about it ... weird
08:11
<pasmen>
afaik that's not possible with rdp protocol
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<pasmen>
but i can use -r option of rdesktop to statically redirect the directory to windows
08:12
so the only way to solve is to get device mounted on thin client anywhere, when it's plugged in
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<ogra>
pasmen, wait for Gadi
08:13
<ced_>
Yes, but the Windows server will not know it.
08:13
<ogra>
you need a special setup of ltspfs for rdesktop
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<ogra>
he is working on that
08:14
<pasmen>
ahhh
08:14
good to know :-)
08:14
<ogra>
speaking of the devil :)
08:14
<stgraber>
Gadi: good timing :)
08:14* Gadi looks around for devil
08:14
<pasmen>
Gadi: hi, i've heard you can help me :-)
08:14
<Gadi>
uh oh
08:14
<stgraber>
Gadi: do you have your rdesktop script around ? looks like pasmen and I need it
08:14
<Gadi>
hmm....
08:14
in what way?
08:14
<stgraber>
Gadi: I'll also likely have some time to look at that ltspfs change
08:14* ogra points at Gadi's little horns hidden under the hair :)
08:15
<Gadi>
hey, thats a common misconception about my people
08:15
:)
08:15
they arent so little
08:15
doh!
08:15
anyway, what did I stumble into here?
08:15
<ogra>
CAN-o-SPAM, despite the tools being idle i wouldnt mind anyone picking up the code and going on with their development btw ... but promoting them widely is not a good idea
08:17
<Gadi>
ah, ok
08:17
remind me to thank nubae for keeping logs
08:17
<CAN-o-SPAM>
ogra: maybe an amazing programmer will fall from a tree and help out? :-O
08:17
<Gadi>
this whole conversation makes a lot more sense
08:18
pasman, stgraber: I am still working on porting my gutsy-LTSP-based hacks to new upstream
08:18
<ogra>
CAN-o-SPAM, yes, but i'm concerned that our default tool thats used on all distros isnt mentioned at all, only the broken non working ones are listed
08:18
<pasmen>
Gadi: i need to make local devices work on the thin client, as i'm using rdesktop script as the only screen script
08:18
<Gadi>
new upstream is a LOT easier to merge into
08:18
pasmen: this is what I do:
08:19* pasmen is listening
08:19
<Gadi>
1. install ltspfs in the chroot
08:19
<ogra>
CAN-o-SPAM, ergh and the article promotes thin clients from 16 to 24M as a good choice ???
08:19
<Gadi>
2. hack /lib/udev/ltspfs_entry to make a local call to ltspfsmounter (in addition to the ssh call)
08:19
<ogra>
CAN-o-SPAM, these wont even boot
08:20
<Gadi>
3. the call in #2 needs to fake a few things like DISPLAY and SSH_CONNECTION env var
08:20
also, I currently run rdesktop as a non-root user, but that is because I didn't want to hack upstream's scripts
08:20
<pasmen>
sounds little complicated to implement is myself :-)
08:20
<ogra>
CAN-o-SPAM, it seems to be written after more than 2 year old docs as well
08:20
<Gadi>
This is what I plan to do for upstream:
08:21
1. Modify ltspfsmounter so it can be called from localhost and not mount things under /media/$USER/ but under /media
08:21
<ogra>
CAN-o-SPAM, that will give a really bad user experience, nothing they describe there will work as promoted at all
08:21
<Gadi>
2. Modify ltspfs_entry as above
08:21
3. install ltspfs in the chroot
08:21
and bam!
08:21* ogra wishes the heise guy would have contacted him for review ... oh my
08:22
<Gadi>
then, I simply redirect /media through rdesktop
08:22
<pasmen>
but
08:22
ehm, nothing, my bad :-)
08:22
<Gadi>
pasmen: the mods are few, but I can use testers when Im done
08:22
you up for testing?
08:23
<pasmen>
of course !
08:23
that would be great
08:23
<Gadi>
what makes a lot of this easier, is that the new ltspfs upstream calls ltspfs_entry for everythin
08:24
even cdpinger uses it
08:24
<ogra>
CAN-o-SPAM, i live in the same city ... he could have even gone out for a coffee with me so i could have explained it to him (since i wrote most of todays base) that article will shed very bad light on us if users follo it
08:24
<pasmen>
i would even help, if i find a spare time
08:24
<Gadi>
back in Gutsy, I had to modify all the little ltspfs scripts to get everything to make the calls
08:24
<CAN-o-SPAM>
ogra: if it sheds more light, people will find the appropriate resources, and have better expirences, right?
08:24
<pasmen>
to be honest, i don't even get the big picture of how it works atm
08:25
which would at least help my understanding
08:25* CAN-o-SPAM thinks maybe ogra should contact the writer?
08:25
<Gadi>
pasmen: do you get how localdev works normally?
08:25
with LDM?
08:25
<ogra>
CAN-o-SPAM, it will fail for everyone on first try who follows the instructions in there
08:25
<pasmen>
i think so, at least i've read the ltsp manual and the ldm chapter :-)
08:25
<ogra>
the whole info seems to be based on ubuntu dapper
08:26
<CAN-o-SPAM>
ok, so we need to get people on the right track, lets do that
08:26
<Gadi>
basically: udev calls ssh ltspfsmounter which makes an ltspfs mount to the client (from the server) which mounts the media on the client upon access
08:26
<CAN-o-SPAM>
this is an opportunity
08:26
people need LTSP, they have no money
08:26
<Gadi>
so, for rdesktop, I just do the same process, but all local
08:27
<pasmen>
i don't know how ltspfs works
08:27
<Gadi>
that way, I get ltspfs's great automounting properties
08:27
<ogra>
CAN-o-SPAM, indeed, but there are proper resources for info even for article writers
08:27
<Gadi>
ltspfs = network automount
08:27
<pasmen>
ok
08:27
so it's visible on the server but not on the client with ltspfs
08:27
<Gadi>
whenever you access the ltspfs mount, it mounts the drive on the client and accesses it
08:27
<ogra>
i think i even know the article, it was in the rinted version of the german linux magazine two years ago
08:28
*printed
08:28
<Gadi>
well, the steady-state is an unmounted drive
08:28
<ogra>
and doesnt seem to have been updated at all
08:28
<Gadi>
it only gets mounted when accessed through the ltspfs mount
08:28
<ogra>
looks like a copy/paste job
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<pasmen>
ahh
08:28
<Gadi>
so, I just make local ltspfs mounts
08:28
:)
08:29
<pasmen>
ye ye, that's what i just wanted to ask :-)
08:29
<CAN-o-SPAM>
ogra: rek@ct.heise.de
08:29
<pasmen>
alright, i think i'm a bit smarter now, thanks :-)
08:29
<Gadi>
its great - and uses code we already have
08:29
<pasmen>
sounds good to me
08:29
<Gadi>
so, we dont introduce automount or supermount or smbfs or anything
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<pasmen>
i did hack ltsp 4.2 to use automount
08:30
and it didn't really work well
08:30
cd's got stuck in cdroms etc.
08:30
<Gadi>
yeah - ltspfs works quite well
08:30
because it was designed for this
08:30
<pasmen>
is it a lot changes to implement it?
08:30
<ogra>
CAN-o-SPAM, i'm really drowning in porting ubuntu to ARM atm, can you coordinate and point him to me ? i'm fine taking 1h or so to review stuff from him but what he writes atm is 98% wrong
08:30
<Gadi>
and if there is a bug, and we fix it, it gets fixed for all
08:30
<CAN-o-SPAM>
sure wats your e-mail
08:30
<Gadi>
pasmen: not really
08:31
pasmen: do you know how to use bzr?
08:31
<pasmen>
nope, but i'm learing fast :-)
08:31
i know what it is
08:31
<ogra>
CAN-o-SPAM, ogra@ubuntu.com ... oliver.grawert@canonical.com ... decide how official you want me to be :)
08:31
<pasmen>
just didn't use it
08:31
<Gadi>
I will create a branch of ltspfs and we can test that
08:31
<pasmen>
ok thanks
08:31
<ogra>
CAN-o-SPAM, or ogra@ltsp.org ;)
08:31
<pasmen>
that would be really great
08:32
<Gadi>
cool. stay tuned....
08:32
<pasmen>
ok, thanks again
08:32
<Gadi>
(PS: we also need this kind of thing for local apps, so we can kill many birds with one stone)
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<Gadi>
... until ogra gets us ssh-dbus ;)
08:32
<pasmen>
heh
08:33
well, i use ltsp just for rdesktop for now
08:33
<Gadi>
pasmen: so do most of my customers
08:33
:)
08:33
<pasmen>
ye
08:33
<CAN-o-SPAM>
ogra: e-mail done, we will see what comes down the line
08:33
<pasmen>
the management is the problem
08:33
<ogra>
Gadi, i'm on vacation soon ... so i should have some time for ltsp then
08:34
<pasmen>
at least in my company
08:34
<Gadi>
ogra: sounds like a vacation ;)
08:34
most people go to the beach
08:34
<ogra>
CAN-o-SPAM, thanks ... sorry to put that on you but i have to do ltsp in my spare time nowadays and job is keeping me to busy atm
08:34
Gadi, not in germany in winter :P
08:34
<CAN-o-SPAM>
no problem i want to help where i can
08:35
<pscheie>
warren, I applied to join the bzrk12ltsp and alt-bzrk12ltsp groups on fedorapeople because one must be sponsored in a group other than CLA
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<pscheie>
warren, do you have to do something to approve those, since you're listed as the admin for those groups?
08:35* ogra dives back into ubuntu work and fixing build failures on ARM
08:35
<warren>
pscheie: hold, let me see
08:36
<Gadi>
ooh 33 updates this morning
08:36
<warren>
Gadi: that's normal for us daily =)
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<Gadi>
no whammy, no whammy, no whammy...
08:37
(whatever happened to that show?)
08:37
<ogra>
warren, just because you backport the world :)
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<warren>
The world is not enough.
08:37
<ogra>
heh
08:37
<silvergti>
hello
08:38
<ced_>
The "Building custom LTSP kernels" wiki page ( http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/CustomLtspKernels ) makes refers to the ltsp_kernel_kit. Is it still exist ? I didn't find it in the debian packages.
08:38
<Gadi>
ced_: that LTSP 4.2 stuff
08:38
are you on 4.2?
08:38
<ced_>
No, i'm using LSTP 5.
08:39
<ogra>
ced_, on lts5 you should use the distro kernel and the way to build that sepcific one from the distro package
08:39
<Gadi>
then, alas, that will be of little help
08:39
<warren>
that page should be removed
08:39
<ogra>
likely documented in the debian wiki or some such
08:39
<ced_>
Ok. Shall i compile my new kernel in the chroot dir ?
08:39
<ogra>
ced_, what exactly do you want to change in the kernel ?
08:40
<Gadi>
ced_: are server and client both i386?
08:40
<ced_>
No, i found nothing about that in the debian wiki.
08:40
<Gadi>
er, 32-bit?
08:40
<ced_>
Yes, they are both i386 in 32-bit. I just want to optimize my kernel for the Wyse S50.
08:41
<pscheie>
warren, not remove the page, just clearly mark it as being for 4.2 and obsolete
08:41
<Gadi>
ced_: then, you should be able to do your work server-side
08:41* ogra wouldnt recommend to do a custom kernel though ... for the cost of upgradeability
08:41
<ced_>
and put it in the chroot after ?
08:42
<silvergti>
I need some help... got Ubuntu 8.10 and Thinclients from NEC. But they don't boot :( they stop with "IP-Config: eth0 hardware address (MAC Address) mtu 1500 DHCP RARP"
08:42
<Gadi>
ced_: actually, no, its prolly easiest to do everything in the chroot
08:43
<ced_>
Thanks,It's what I want to know.
08:43
<Gadi>
that way the update-initramfs and such will work properly
08:43
<ced_>
Good.
08:43
<Gadi>
and pull in the correct initramfs
08:43
<silvergti>
hello
08:43* warren remembers the days where he would build the entire kernel into a single blob because he couldn't figure out how initrd worked
08:43
<ced_>
Is it possible to not use the initramfs ?
08:44
<Gadi>
silvergti: do they have more than one NIC?
08:44
<silvergti>
no
08:44
<Gadi>
ced_: only if you compile it into the kernel
08:44
<ogra>
well
08:44
<ced_>
It's what I want.
08:44
<ogra>
you will likely get a lot of probs
08:44
<ced_>
why ?
08:45
<ogra>
because all the netbooting is handled through initramfs
08:45
so you will need to djust a lot
08:45
*adjust
08:45
<pasmen>
silvergti: how long did you wait with this message?
08:45
<ced_>
It's what i fear !
08:45
<silvergti>
i'm still waiting
08:45
<pasmen>
i had the same issue, sometimes restart helps, sometimes it just takes long, then is continues
08:46
<ogra>
its imho not worth the time you put into it and lose the ability to pull in security updates and fixes
08:46
<silvergti>
but it can't take that long... :P
08:46
<ced_>
Ok. So i can optimize my kernel but i should keep the initramfs stuff.
08:46
<pasmen>
silvergti: once i also had the i386.img corrupted
08:46
after the rebuild all was fine
08:46
<ogra>
what exactly doesnt work with debians default kernel ?
08:47
<silvergti>
pasmen: i got 2 ltsp servers (8.04 and 8.10) and got this in both
08:47
<ced_>
Everything goes well but the client is booting very long.
08:47
<pasmen>
ok
08:48
can't be the network overloaded?
08:48
<silvergti>
no
08:48
<Gadi>
silvergti: add: break=mount to pxelinux.cfg/default
08:48
<silvergti>
it's local and we don't have much traffic
08:49
<Gadi>
that will get you to an initramfs shell
08:49
on the client
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<Gadi>
and you can see whats going on
08:49
<silvergti>
ok ty :)
08:49
<Gadi>
could be a bad network driver
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<Gadi>
or it could be that the NIC does not come up as eth0
08:51
<silvergti>
do i need to build, after add that in file?
08:51
<ogra>
sounds likely
08:51
<Gadi>
silvergti: its not an extra line
08:51
it goes on the same line as "splash"
08:51
like: splash break=mount
08:51
<silvergti>
DEFAULT vmlinuz ro initrd=initrd.img break=mount quiet splash
08:51
<Gadi>
right
08:51
<ogra>
remove splash and quiet
08:52
<Gadi>
save and reboot
08:52
you need not rebuild
08:52
<ogra>
and add break=mount
08:52
<silvergti>
ok
08:52
<Gadi>
(its a kernel argument)
08:52
<ogra>
and then just boot
08:52
<Gadi>
oh, right. hehe remove splash
08:52
:)
08:52
otherwise ur flying blind
08:52
<silvergti>
alt+f1
08:52
:P
08:53
<ogra>
that doesnt gain you much with splash and quiet :)
08:53
<silvergti>
w quiet guess not
08:53
:P
08:53
i need to reboot the server?
08:53
<ogra>
no
08:54
only the client
08:54
<pasmen>
Gadi: can i ask one more related issue?
08:54
*rdesktop related*
08:54
<Gadi>
indeed
08:54
you have not yet reached ur quota
08:54
<pasmen>
maybe it's more of a windows server issue, don't know
08:54
lol
08:54
ok, it's about the logon timeout
08:55
when i do not login and hang at logon screen, rdesktop ends after, dunno, 1 minute or so
08:55
<stgraber>
yeah, it's a windows issue
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08:55
<pasmen>
ahh ok
08:55
<Gadi>
right
08:55
put rdesktop in a loop
08:55
<pasmen>
is that timeout cutomizable?
08:55
<Gadi>
no
08:55
<pasmen>
i see
08:56
ty
08:56
<Gadi>
in my rdesktop script, I have rdesktop in a while loop
08:56
(within X)
08:56
so, X never respawns
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<Gadi>
(barring ctrl-alt-backspace)
08:57
<pasmen>
ok, something like rdesktop wrapper from 4.2?
08:57
<Gadi>
;)
08:57
<ogra>
Gadi, wasnt that in intrepid ?
08:57
<Gadi>
exactly
08:57
ogra: not sure
08:57* ogra thought Gadi submitted tht upstream
08:57
<Gadi>
I did and then we reworked the xinitrc stuff
08:58
not sure what the state of the union is
08:58
<pasmen>
no loop in stock 8.10 install
08:58
<Gadi>
I have a much more complicated rdeskwtop wrapper right now
08:58
<pasmen>
ubuntu i mean
08:58
<ogra>
i think your new rdesktop script went in before
08:58
<Gadi>
that I think is upstream-worthy
08:58
<silvergti>
ok... it's stopped at /build/buildd/linux-2.6.24/drivers/hid/usbhis/hid-core.c: v2.6:USB HID core driver
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08:58
<Gadi>
but, not sure if I do any Gadi-isms
08:59
<ogra>
you surely do :)
08:59
<Gadi>
silvergti: do an ifconfig
08:59
<silvergti>
shows noting
08:59
<Gadi>
silvergti: not even lo?
09:00
how about ifconfig -a?
09:00
<ogra>
Gadi, not in initramfs ...
09:00
(lo)
09:00
<Gadi>
oh
09:00
<silvergti>
ok, -a show eth0 and lo
09:00
<ogra>
gets brought up later
09:00
<Gadi>
right
09:00
<ogra>
oh
09:00
<Gadi>
thx, ogra
09:00
<ogra>
:P
09:01
<Gadi>
silvergti: can you do ipconfig -d eth0
09:01
<silvergti>
done (noting returned)
09:03* ogra wonders what brings up lo though ... there is no code for it
09:03
<Gadi>
silvergti: how about without -d?
09:03
just: ipconfig eth0
09:03
<silvergti>
show eth0
09:04
<Gadi>
silvergti: does it get an IP address?
09:04
<silvergti>
without any IP
09:04
<Gadi>
modprobe -q af_packet
09:04
ipconfig eth0
09:05
<silvergti>
modprobe -q af_packet --> Registered protocol family 17
09:05
ipconfig eth0 --> show eth0 config, but no IP
09:06
<Gadi>
ipconfig -d eth0
09:06
<silvergti>
noting returned
09:07
<Gadi>
run_scripts /scripts/nfs-top
09:07
ipconfig -d eth0
09:07
ipconfig eth0
09:08
<silvergti>
no found run_scripts
09:08
if i just do /scripts/nfs-top --> permission denied
09:09
<Gadi>
sh /scripts/nfs-top/udev
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<silvergti>
no fail, but noting return
09:10
<Gadi>
and now do the ipconfig's
09:10
<silvergti>
k
09:10* Gadi wonders why it is not requesting an IP
09:10
<Gadi>
maybe: ps -ale
09:10
and see if ipconfig is already running
09:11
<silvergti>
nop, it's not there
09:11
and still no IP
09:11
<Gadi>
hmm
09:12
<silvergti>
drivers?
09:12
<Gadi>
could be
09:12
do u know what network driver it uses?
09:12
<silvergti>
no
09:13
<pasmen>
can't it be dhcp lease collision?
09:13
<silvergti>
no
09:13
<Gadi>
are there errors in your syslog on the server?
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<Gadi>
like no free leases, etc?
09:13
<silvergti>
Dec 16 14:57:08 LTSP in.tftpd[7486]: tftp: client does not accept options
09:14
no, theres no problem with the dhcp server
09:14
<ogra>
thats your kernel ... you obviously got it
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09:14
<tinpardo>
hi
09:15
<ogra>
do you happen to run a second dhcpd in your network ?
09:15
on a router or some such ...
09:15
<tinpardo>
i do
09:15
ogra
09:15
<silvergti>
i have a dhcp sevrer
09:15
server*
09:16
<ogra>
additionally to the ltsp one ?
09:16
<tinpardo>
y
09:16
<silvergti>
my ltsp is not a dhcpd
09:16
<ogra>
ah
09:17
<tinpardo>
you have to use mac addreess to identify who server assign who ip
09:18
<silvergti>
i know, but i have it in global, so every pxe client will boot from ltsp
09:18
<ogra>
which apparently works ... else you wouldnt get kernel and initramfs
09:18
<silvergti>
yep
09:19
but ltsp works in my laptop
09:19
and in some virtual machines
09:20
<ogra>
do you know what kind of NIC is in the client ?
09:20
(lspci might help)
09:20
<silvergti>
realtek i guess
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<silvergti>
8111b/8111c
09:21
<pasmen>
hmm, that's what i have in my PC's that make problems as well
09:21
<silvergti>
gigabit
09:21
<ogra>
probably https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/208012
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<silvergti>
ok, gonna try :) ty
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09:24
<ogra>
seems there are issues with the in kernel driver ...
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09:25
<EXP2>
is it possible to connect a webcam to client?
09:25
<silvergti>
this got to work... because i have 40 NEC clients... -_-'
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09:27
<ogra>
well, complain at realtek for not contributing properly to the upstream kernel
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09:30
<ogra>
they often do that with their drivers ... develop a whole new thing out of kernel and wait until someone moans loud enough to get the stuff upstream
09:32
<silvergti>
:S
09:35
<ogra>
at least they publish the source of their kernel modules so you can build it yourself most of the time
09:35
(which doesnt always help though)
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<silvergti>
that thing in ubunut bugs it's not working... :(
09:47
<ogra>
you did build the module in the chroot, right ?
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09:50
<silvergti>
humm... maybe not
09:54
<ogra>
you coulld ask this guy https://launchpad.net/~cschieli/+archive if he would do a build thats compatible with intrepid's kernel
09:56
<silvergti>
ok
10:00
<ogra>
silvergti, go to #ubuntu-kernel and talk to rtg
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<silvergti>
ok, ty
10:03
<Gadi>
pasmen: here's a first pass: lp:~gideon/ltsp/ltspfs-trunk-local
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10:04
<ogra>
but beware, gadisms might eat your firstborn :P
10:04* ogra is only joking indeed :)
10:04
<Gadi>
dont joke
10:04
they just might
10:04
<ogra>
heh
10:05
<pasmen>
Gadi: thanks
10:06
but, what's that? :-)
10:06
<Gadi>
pasmen: if you grab that branch and grab the intrepid source for the current ltspfs,
10:06
you can copy the debian dir into it and roll some debs
10:06
<pasmen>
ok
10:06
<Gadi>
bzr branch lp:~gideon/ltsp/ltspfs-trunk-local
10:07
<pasmen>
i see
10:07
i first have to make a launchpad login
10:07
<Gadi>
then, install your new debs for ltspfs and ltspfsd in the chroot
10:07
and reroll the image
10:07
<pasmen>
i'll do it, but i guess tomorrow, no time for the rest of the day (and night....)
10:07
<Gadi>
then, set rdesktop -r disk:drives=/media
10:07
<pasmen>
thanks anyway, i'll let you know tomorrow
10:08
<Gadi>
and we'll see
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10:09
<stgraber>
Gadi: I can have it tested in 5 minutes
10:09
(did I mention it's on my todolist for today ? :))
10:09
<Gadi>
stgraber: cool - I was a little unsure how to handle the Xauth stuff, so for now I set DISPLAY to the first Xserver running on the box
10:10
so, if you have 2 sessions, it may work in the first but not the second
10:10
that's something to test
10:10
(ie, if rdesktop is the ONLY session versus the second)
10:12
<stgraber>
Gadi: ok, I patched both scripts, I'm not rebuilding the chroot
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<stgraber>
Gadi: hmm, our rdesktop script is a bit broken
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<Gadi>
stgraber: broken how?
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<ogra>
it ate his firstborn
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11:20
<nubae>
hey ogra, do u know if there are any ubuntu certified thin clients?
11:20
<ogra>
nubae, there arent (yet)
11:20
<nubae>
oh, some are undergoing the process?
11:21
<ogra>
not as thin clients ...
11:21
but with attached local storage i think there might be something in the process
11:21
<nubae>
how can Canonical support LTSP then...
11:22
<ogra>
??
11:22
how can adobe support photoshop without supporting your nvidia card on windows ?
11:22
<nubae>
if doesn't certify the hardware, it seems it would be difficult to support the clients
11:22
<ogra>
its a software
11:23
<warren>
ogra: do you folks have out-of-the-box mac LTSP client boot?
11:23
ogra: like old imacs
11:23
I have it partially working now
11:24
<ogra>
warren, we had that once ... but needs some manual change in openfirmware
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11:24
<warren>
ogra: setting the tftp address and filename to download I'm guessing
11:24
<ogra>
you need to switch it to boot from network by default if you dont want to hold down apple+n each boot
11:24
<warren>
boot enet:0 isn't working here
11:24
<ogra>
no, just tell it to use the NIC as default boot device
11:24
<warren>
I need to use
11:24
boot enet:IPADDRESS,yaboot
11:25
<ogra>
thats bad
11:25
<warren>
ogra: do you have the working dhcpd.conf recipe for that?
11:25
<ogra>
boot enet:0 used to work on my ibook when i tested ... but thats years ago
11:25
http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/dhcpd.conf
11:26
thats one used to work back in ubuntu dapper when i touched PPC last
11:26
(i.e. 2 years ago)
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11:36
<warren>
ogra: hmm filename "/ltsp/yaboot";
11:37
ogra: OFW here fails to download tftp from a directory, I had to move yaboot into the tftpdir
11:37
might be different versions of OFW
11:37
<ogra>
no, old ltsp setup
11:38
ignore that part
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<gate_keeper_>
hi guys
11:40
i've recompiled kernel for ltsp5 (ubuntu) with some extra sound modules added
11:41
installed like *.deb
11:42
when clients booting i still get module not found ..
11:42
MODULE_01 = via82cxxx_audio
11:42
MODULE_02 = intel8x0
11:43
<warren>
why are you trying to use OSS sound modules?
11:44
<gate_keeper_>
:-/
11:45
MODULE_03 = ac97_codec
11:45
also
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<gate_keeper_>
Module:
11:51
ac97_codec not found
11:51
on booting
11:53
<CAN-o-SPAM_>
nubae: what makes you want Ubuntu certified thin clients?
11:54
<nubae>
not me per se, but schools, unis and governments do
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<cliebow>
i also found that yaboot needed to be in the root of the tftp directory\
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12:17
<ogra>
geez !
12:17
http://felipec.wordpress.com/2008/12/12/gst-openmax-demo-on-the-beagleboard/
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12:18
<ogra>
HD video on the beagleboard ... eting only 12% CPU !
12:18
*eating
12:19
<cliebow>
past tense is et..
12:19
last week i et some grub
12:19
<ogra>
heh
12:20
<cliebow>
last winter i het my house with wood
12:20
<pasmen>
Gadi: still around?
12:20
<Gadi>
present
12:20
<pasmen>
i finally got a spare minute to try the branch you sent me before
12:21
i'm stuck at x11 and fuse packages missing while trying to build
12:21
probably i'm doing something wrong
12:21
<Gadi>
sudo apt-get build-dep ltspfs
12:21
<pasmen>
oh
12:21
let me try again
12:22
dammit
12:22
<Ahmuck>
what's a beagleboard?
12:22
<pasmen>
ok, time to work again...
12:22
i'll try it later and let you know
12:22
thanks a lot for now
12:22
<Gadi>
ok
12:22
<pasmen>
nnl
12:22
*bbl
12:23
<ogra>
Ahmuck, http://beagleboard.org/
12:23
<johnny>
get me a beagleboard laptop ogra
12:23
<ogra>
Ahmuck, the future
12:23
<johnny>
ogra, i mean now :)
12:23
hehe
12:23
<ogra>
johnny, i'l put you on the list ... though these will be way more powerful than te beagle
12:24
<johnny>
what will?
12:24
<ogra>
the ARM based laptops
12:24
<johnny>
oh
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12:24
<johnny>
linux is uniquely positioned to steal this market
12:24
go portability
12:24
flash folks have already started
12:25
which is good
12:25* ogra has still about 30 packages that fail to build on ubuntu ... then the whole of main will be done
12:26
<ogra>
flash for arm exists since quite a while
12:26
<johnny>
so do you know about any arm laptops in production?
12:26
<ogra>
java is at least in ubuntu been ported recently
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12:27
<stgraber>
Gadi: hmm, ok so I have rdesktop working with /media mapped, I plugged a usbkey and nothing seems to have triggered ltspfsmount any idea ?
12:27
<ogra>
i know there are plans ... i have yet to see real HW though
12:27
<johnny>
i can't wait
12:27
<Gadi>
stgraber: do you have ltspfsmounter locally in the chroot?
12:27
<stgraber>
Gadi: yep
12:27
<johnny>
i wonder how the battery life will be
12:27
<ogra>
eternal
12:27
:)
12:27
<Gadi>
is rdesktop the only screen session?
12:28
<stgraber>
Gadi: yeah, I had to restart it a couple of time to fix the broken screen.d script
12:28
<Gadi>
what was broken?
12:28
<johnny>
ogra, i think i'd be happy with the same thing as beagleboard on a wap
12:28
that'd be pretty awesome
12:28
minus the video components
12:29
<stgraber>
Gadi: missing ${X_ARGS} so didn't have -config working
12:29
<ogra>
the beagle only has 128M Ram
12:29
<stgraber>
Gadi: I'll commit this fix a bit later
12:29
<ogra>
and no disk controller
12:29
<Gadi>
ah, ok
12:29
can you get a shell on the client?
12:29
<ogra>
you want something that takes 256 or 512M and has a SATA controller
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<johnny>
sata controller? more like 2 gig ssd or something
12:30
something really cheap
12:30
<ogra>
mine currently uses a 6G SDHC class6 card
12:30
<johnny>
damn
12:30
<ogra>
its usable, but slow
12:30
<johnny>
for a wireless access point?
12:30
wth you need 6G in that?
12:30
<ogra>
i compile stuff on it :)
12:31
<stgraber>
Gadi: I have a shell on it
12:31
<ogra>
and it has no network devices ... only a USB port
12:31
<johnny>
yeah
12:31
that's why i can't use beagleboard directly
12:31
needs two ports
12:31
<Gadi>
stgraber: what display is the Xserver on?
12:31
:6?
12:31
<ogra>
just get a USB HUB
12:32
Gadi, you ot weird smileys today :)
12:32
*got
12:32
<johnny>
is there anytihing that can run hostap on usb network devices ?
12:32
<Gadi>
its a weird smiley day
12:32
;)
12:32
<ogra>
johnny, no idea ... USB WLAN devices just show up as WLAN cards though
12:32
<stgraber>
Gadi: :7
12:33
<johnny>
i know that ogra .. but if it can't run as a master.. it can't be used
12:33
<ogra>
i never tried
12:33
<johnny>
plus you need to install antennas
12:33
<ogra>
no idea
12:33
<Gadi>
stgraber: on shell: DISPLAY=:7 /usr/sbin/ltspfsmounter add /var/run/drives/<blah>
12:33
<johnny>
also.. usb isn't quite gigabit for internal nic :)
12:34
<Gadi>
johnny: I hear USB3 will be
12:35
<silvergti>
time to go home... tks for help guys!
12:35
<stgraber>
root@ltsp:/etc/udev/rules.d# DISPLAY=:7 /usr/sbin/ltspfsmounter add /var/run/drives/usbdisk-sda1
12:36
unknown command
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<Gadi>
uhm, I thought you said it was installed
12:37
:)
12:38
did we move ltspfsmounter?
12:38
<ogra>
if so, vagrant did
12:38
we sync from debian now
12:41
<Gadi>
ogra: do you know where the sound file is for the test sound tone that gnome uses?
12:41
(in Preferences > Sound)
12:41* ogra didnt knoe there was a testsound
12:41
<Gadi>
you know, there's a pulsate dialog
12:41
<ogra>
i usually use the alsa sounds
12:42
<Gadi>
yeah, but thats just noise
12:42
<_UsUrPeR_>
has anyone had any luck with CUPS printing to a client through NXclient?
12:42
<Gadi>
I like a nice tone
12:42
<ogra>
aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav
12:42
thats a friendly woman
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<pasmen>
Gadi: don't know if you got my last message before i was disconnected
12:46
there isn't any script to produce packages once i compiled the source right?
12:46
<Gadi>
pasmen: apt-get source ltspfs
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<pasmen>
oh
12:46
<Gadi>
then copy the debian dir from there to the bzr branch
12:46
<pasmen>
i'm sorry, i'm not much of ubuntu user :-)
12:46
<Gadi>
then, in the bzr branch, dpkg-buildpackage
12:47
<pasmen>
ok thanks
12:47
<Gadi>
no worries
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<ogra>
dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b
12:49
(and make sure fakeroot is installed)
12:51
<pasmen>
did that, seems like it didn't create images, just directory structure
12:51
or i'm blind, let me see :-)
12:51
<ogra>
it should creae the .deb in ../
12:52
<pasmen>
jeeze, you are right...
12:52
silly me
12:52
thanks
12:52
now, i simply install these in the chroot using dpkg -i right?
12:52
<ogra>
right
12:53
<pasmen>
ok, gonna test it
12:53
thanks for now guys
12:53
<ogra>
and since you are on ubuntu, run sudo ltsp-update-image on the server
12:54
<pasmen>
bah, did passwd right after the install :-)
12:54
but yea, that's what i usually forget, to rebuild the image
12:54
<ogra>
??
12:54
<pasmen>
no sudo i meant
12:55
<ogra>
ah, well, your choice to shot yourself in the foot then
12:55
*shoot
12:55
<pasmen>
:-)
12:57
<Gadi>
pasmen: found a few mistakes
12:57
<pasmen>
oh
12:57
<Gadi>
go into the bzr branch
12:57
do bzr pull
12:57
and repackage and reinstall
12:57
<pasmen>
ok
12:57
thanks
12:58
<ogra>
and watch kittens die :)
13:01
<pasmen>
also, ./autogen.sh complains about ChangeLog not present
13:01
<Nubae>
that would be a cool easter egg
13:01
kittens dying in the terminal if u build the source :p
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<ogra>
pasmen, because autogen is to dumb to use "bzr log" :)
13:04
<pasmen>
:-)
13:04
ok, i'm going to install those new packages
13:05
<ogra>
but watch your kittens :)
13:06
<pasmen>
hehe
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<pasmen>
ok, lets test thin client
13:10
<Gadi>
pasmen: make a shell password as well
13:10
so we can test some of the stuff by hand
13:10
<pasmen>
what do you mean exactly?
13:10
<Gadi>
meaning, so you can get a shell on the client
13:10
<pasmen>
u mean password for the root in the chroot?
13:11
i did that
13:11
<Gadi>
yeah
13:11
ok good
13:11
so you can log in on ctrl-alt-f1
13:11
<pasmen>
yap
13:11
i'm there
13:11
/media empty after i plugged usb key in
13:11
lot of errors in dmesh
13:11
*dmesg
13:12
<Gadi>
can you run this at the shell:
13:12
DISPLAY=:7 USER="" /usr/sbin/ltspfsmounter /var/run/drives/usbdisk-sda1 add
13:12
<pasmen>
let me see
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<pasmen>
i set DISPLAY to :2 cuz i have rdesktop script on screen 2
13:13
Coulnd't read LTSPFS_TOKEN atom.
13:13
Error: /tmp/.root-ltspfs/ is not mounted
13:13
<Gadi>
pasmen ls /tmp/.X*lock
13:13
<pasmen>
/tmp is empty
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<Gadi>
ls -a /tmp
13:14
<pasmen>
ahh, god, yea
13:14
-r--r--r-- .X2-lock
13:14
<Gadi>
ah, ok
13:15
hmm... we need a token
13:15
<pasmen>
:-)
13:15
<Gadi>
forgot about that
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<Gadi>
pasmen: does your client have an /usr/share/ltsp/xinitrc.d/ dir?
13:20
<pasmen>
nope, it doesn't
13:20
<Gadi>
ok - add this to the top of your rdesktop script
13:21
ie, to the top of $chroot/usr/lib/ltsp/screen.d/rdesktop
13:22
http://pastebot.ltsp.org/141
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<pasmen>
ok, gimme a sec
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13:24* pasmen is rebuilding image
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<pasmen>
no change
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<pasmen>
did the same command with ltspfsmounter, the output is the same
13:30
<Gadi>
ls /var/run/ltspfs_token
13:30
does it exist?
13:30
<pasmen>
yup
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<pasmen>
i checked the code at the beginning of the rdesktop script
13:30
i don't explicitely set LOCALDEV to true in lts.conf
13:30
as it's the default
13:30
<Gadi>
thats ok
13:31
<pasmen>
ok
13:31
<Gadi>
and it still gives you an error that it cannot read the LTSPFS_TOKEN?
13:31
<pasmen>
yeah
13:31
<Gadi>
hmm...
13:31
what if you drop the USER=""
13:31
<pasmen>
let me see
13:31
<Gadi>
do this:
13:32
DISPLAY=:7 SSH_CONNECTION="localhost" /usr/sbin/ltspfsmounter /var/run/drives/usbdisk-sda1 add
13:32
oops
13:32
DISPLAY=:2 ;)
13:32
for you
13:32
<pasmen>
;-)
13:32
ye
13:33
still the same
13:33
<Gadi>
try:
13:33
export DISPLAY=:2
13:33
then:
13:33
<pasmen>
ok
13:34
<Gadi>
export SSH_CONNECTION="localhost"
13:34
then:
13:34
/usr/sbin/ltspfsmounter /var/run/drives/usbdisk-sda1 add
13:35
<pasmen>
hmm
13:35
still the same
13:35
dammit
13:35
:-)
13:35
<Gadi>
hmm
13:35
<pasmen>
unfortunately, gtg now ...
13:35
<Gadi>
ok
13:35
<pasmen>
thanks for all
13:35
can we continue then?
13:35
<Gadi>
sure
13:35
<pasmen>
if you have time and mood :-)
13:35
thanks a lot
13:35
<Gadi>
of course
13:36
<pasmen>
see you later
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<Gadi>
the easiest thing would be to disable the xauth piece if we get a connection from localhost
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<jammcq>
hellooo friends
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<CAN-o-SPAM_>
hi jam! did u get an e-mail from rcc?
13:44
<jammcq>
umm, no
13:44
<CAN-o-SPAM_>
we should make a quick plan for thursday?
13:44
<jammcq>
ok
13:44
what time does it start?
13:44
<CAN-o-SPAM_>
6 - 11
13:44
<jammcq>
and... is dinner provided?
13:46
<CAN-o-SPAM_>
some sort of food, no details provided i'd guess pizza
13:48
ok sounds like appetizers
13:48
<Gadi>
!seen sbalneav
13:48
<ltspbot`>
Gadi: sbalneav was last seen in #ltsp 1 day, 17 hours, 16 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: <sbalneav> it always makes me chuckle
13:49
<jammcq>
!seen gadi
13:49
<ltspbot`>
jammcq: gadi was last seen in #ltsp 12 seconds ago: <Gadi> !seen sbalneav
13:49* Gadi waves to jammcq
13:49
<jammcq>
shalom my friend
13:49
<Gadi>
gutentag
13:49* jammcq hopes he said it right, and it's appropriate
13:50
<Gadi>
kinda hard to screw up
13:50
its like "How now brown cow"
13:50
any C programmers here?
13:51* Gadi watches the tumblin tumbleweed
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<Gadi>
vagrantc: !
13:53
<CAN-o-SPAM_>
jam: sounds like we might need some dinner before
13:53
<jammcq>
hmm
13:53
I vote for the korean place
13:53
<CAN-o-SPAM_>
wheres that?
13:53
<warren>
jammcq: mouth watering
13:53
<jammcq>
on University dr, in Ann Arbor
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<vagrantc>
Gadi: hi!
13:55* cliebow cliebow counts with fingers how long a drive to ann arbor..
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<warren>
Gadi: vagrantc: ogra: stgraber: Ryan52: anybody plan on doing anything upstream? I want to tag and build soon.
13:59
<Gadi>
warren: not today
13:59
<Ryan52>
fine by me
13:59
<Gadi>
I mean I wont do anything to it today
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<Gadi>
while we're all here, there are a few files that I think are in the wrong trunks
14:00
there's an ldm script in the ltspfs trunk
14:00
thats 1
14:00
2. the ldm screen script really belongs in the ltsp trunk with the others
14:02
<stgraber>
I guess it was done in such a way that ldm shouldn't be a hard depend
14:02
as you might do ltsp without ldm with just either a text login or a rdesktop login
14:02
and then wouldn't like to have the ldm screen.d script
14:02
<Gadi>
why not?
14:02
<stgraber>
(because it'd call a non-existing binary)
14:02
<Gadi>
its just a hook
14:02
it should check for it
14:03
just like rdesktop
14:03
rdesktop is not a hard dep of ltsp, is it?
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<Gadi>
that would be ironic
14:03
<six2one>
hey, who is in a2? i am as well
14:05
<CAN-o-SPAM_>
a2? a2geeks?
14:05
<six2one>
ann arbor
14:07
<CAN-o-SPAM_>
i'll be there jammcq will be there too
14:07
<six2one>
awesome, something going on down here?
14:08
<CAN-o-SPAM_>
arbcamp? see this link: http://www.a2geeks.org/display/geek/ArbCamp+08
14:10
<Gadi>
Ryan52: your ldm-dialog can be called on its own right? without ldm
14:10
<Ryan52>
ya
14:10
<Gadi>
cool
14:10* Gadi uses dialog all over the place
14:10
<Gadi>
*dialogs
14:11
it is nice to use it in other screen scripts and such
14:12
Ryan52: ur a C guy, no?
14:12
can I compare this to a string:
14:13* Ryan52 nods
14:13
<Gadi>
struct sockaddr_in cli_addr;
14:13
like: if (cli_addr = "127.0.0.1")
14:13
or something
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<Ryan52>
one second..
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<vagrantc>
Gadi: i disagree about where the scripts belong
14:16
<CAN-o-SPAM_>
#a2geeks
14:16
whoops
14:16
<alkisg>
Gadi: eeeek :)
14:16
<Ryan52>
Gadi: char destination_buffer[INET_ADDRSTRLEN]; inet_ntop(ADDRESS_FAMILY_HERE, cli_addr.sin_addr, destination_buffer, sizeof(destination_buffer)); if (!strcmp("127.0.0.1", destination_buffer)) { blah; }
14:16
that might work :)
14:17
oh, ADDRESS_FAMILY_HERE is AF_INET
14:17
<Gadi>
ok....
14:17
:)
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<Gadi>
does !strcmp mean that it matches because it returns 0?
14:18
<Ryan52>
yup
14:18
<vagrantc>
Gadi: one of the big advantages of hook dirs is that one package can extend the functionality of another
14:18
<Gadi>
ok
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<vagrantc>
Gadi: so the ldm screen script extends the functionality of ltsp to support ltsp ... the ltspfs hook for ldm adds ltspfs functionality to ldm
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<vagrantc>
Gadi: errr... let me confuse the issue more...
14:20
<Gadi>
I suppose - certain things just seem inconsistent
14:20
<vagrantc>
Gadi: so the ldm screen script extends the functionality of ltsp to support *ldm* ... the ltspfs hook for ldm adds ltspfs functionality to ldm
14:20
Gadi: we don't have as much control over the rdesktop maintenance, so we ship our own script for that
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<vagrantc>
Gadi: but in theory, i'd think it'd actually belong in rdesktop
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<vagrantc>
Gadi: i'd like to move in the direction of consistancy ... i.e. ldm itself has no code related to ltspfs, just hooks that ltspfs fills in
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14:29
<warren>
http://wtogami.livejournal.com/29574.html Attempts to get various PPC macs netbooting (failures)
14:31* cliebow cliebow looks..
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<cliebow>
warren: id idnt see this magic incantation anywhere..fwiw
14:36
option vendor-encapsulated-options 01:01:02:08:04:01:00:00:01:82:
14:36
<Gadi>
Ryan52: error: incompatible type for argument 2 of ‘inet_ntop’
14:36
<warren>
cliebow: what exactly does that do?
14:36
<Gadi>
Ryan52: does that need a void or some such?
14:36
<cliebow>
damned if i know..it is what i had to add to get g3's running..
14:37
<warren>
I tried that, it didn't seem to make any difference.
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<cliebow>
it has been a couple years since i did anything at all with it..i'll see if i can give you a link to my notes at ltsp.org if you like..
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<Ryan52>
Gadi: err, the second arguent should be: (void *)&cli_addr.sin_addr.saddr
14:39
(I think)
14:39
<Gadi>
much better
14:39
that compiles
14:40
<cliebow>
nothing new in here obviously..http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/CpuArchitectures#LTSP_on_Latter_Day_Macintosh_G3
14:42
<vagrantc>
warren: i was thinking of uploading ldm today
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<CAN-o-SPAM_>
warren: you have any idea how many hits your blog gets? *can u watch that?
14:44
<warren>
CAN-o-SPAM_: about 40k hits a day, mostly from Fedora Planet
14:49
<vagrantc>
warren: are you planning on tagging ldm-trunk as is?
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<warren>
vagrantc: yes
14:50
vagrantc: i'm looking over ltsp-trunk now
14:50
vagrantc: go ahead and tag/build ldm
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<_UsUrPeR_>
ok, just got a F10 install working. For some reason, it won't allow me to log on to the client. I type user and pass, then it waits a few seconds and brings up the K12 login screen without any errors
15:27
I'm not seeing any failed logon attempts in /var/log/messages
15:27
where else should I be looking?
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<alkisg>
_UsUrPeR_: Try "ssh server" from the TC console?
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<_UsUrPeR_>
alkisg: nothing. Is this a firewall issue?
15:28
wait, no hostname
15:28
oh. Do clients need to be in the hosts file?
15:29
<alkisg>
At least in ubuntu they have server = the server and localhost defined
15:30
<_UsUrPeR_>
alkisg: oh. Lemme try to ssh to the server's IP :)
15:30
alkisg: that works :/
15:30
<alkisg>
_UsUrPeR_: try adding the server to /etc/hosts, and then switch back to ldm
15:32
<_UsUrPeR_>
interesting
15:32
<alkisg>
What, it worked? !!!
15:32
<_UsUrPeR_>
/etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf uses 172.16.100.* IP addresses in the default IP assignment so I put 254 at the server location
15:33
while hosts file uses 192.168.0.* for all it's workstation assignments
15:33
<vagrantc>
oh, we never did the gtk2-engines-ubuntulooks -> gtk2-engines-clearlooks change...
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<Q-FUNK>
Ahoy!
15:33
<alkisg>
_UsUrPeR_: (again, in ubuntu) the default is 192.168... in dhcpd...
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<_UsUrPeR_>
alkisg: good catch, but that didn't seem to fix anything :/
15:43* vagrantc tags and pushes ldm-trunk 2.0.24
15:45
<alkisg>
_UsUrPeR_: if ssh works without saying anything like "do you want to continue connecting" (which would upset ldm), and ldm doesn't work, and nothing is written at the logs, then I don't know what could be wrong...
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<_UsUrPeR_>
alkisg: No prob. I think I need to re-install
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<_UsUrPeR_>
this looks bigger than both of us
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15:51* alkisg is a linux/ltsp newbie...
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<vagrantc>
Ryan52: alas, ldm 2.0.24 didn't solve the issue at freegeek
15:55
<Ryan52>
I figured it wouldn't
15:56
<vagrantc>
yeah, but there was hope
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<vagrantc>
the "log in as guest" button seems to be nice and visible and ugly, though :)
15:57
<alkisg>
nice *and* ugly? !
15:57
<Ryan52>
oh good :)
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<vagrantc>
Ryan52: regarding gtk2-engines-ubuntulooks, it isn't a package in debian.
16:01
looks like greeter-gtkrc was switched to gtk2-engines-clearlooks at some point, though i still see mention of an ubuntu engine.
16:01
don't know if that was an incomplete transition, or what...
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<Ryan52>
vagrantc, srsly?
16:04
is this an ubuntu system I'm on?!?! :p
16:04
o i c. it's in lenny and sid.
16:05
I installed gtk2-engines-ubuntulooks and things looked different. that's all I'm going by :)
16:06
<vagrantc>
hrm.
16:06
i guess i was looking on an etch system ...
16:07
how much purtier does it get?
16:09
<Ryan52>
lots :)
16:09
everything gets round and glossy looking
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<vagrantc>
wow. it's tiny.
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<vagrantc>
Ryan52: ah, yes. it does look a little nicer ... although the username/password box has a crazy red line all around it
16:13
<Ryan52>
I know.
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<vagrantc>
Ryan52: using clearlooks instead of ubuntulooks looks identical if i edit the greeter-gtkrc file to use clearlooks instead
16:21
<Ryan52>
oh, ok.
16:22
<vagrantc>
although i wonder if ubuntulooks isn't at least smaller for debian.
16:22
upstream would probably make more sense to use clearlooks in the default theme
16:22
<Ryan52>
clearlooks is installed anyway, I think.
16:23
ldm depends on libgtk2.0-0 which depends on gtk2-engines which provides gtk2-engines-clearlooks
16:23
<vagrantc>
yeah, that's a dependency
16:23
<johnny>
yes.. please make it clearlooks
16:23
that way i can dep on something in my standard repositories
16:23
been meaning to bring that up
16:24* johnny will give you a cookie
16:24
<Ryan52>
hehe
16:25
<johnny>
it'd be nice if the default theme could look nicer also :)
16:25
but no folks in here seem to be artists
16:26
<Ryan52>
warren's theme is nice.
16:26
he had artist peoples do it, but he didn't share them :(
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16:31* vagrantc has a habit of uploading to debian and then committing additional changes to trunk immediately afterwards
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<Ryan52>
heh
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<johnny>
is it just for fedora?
16:35
<Ryan52>
ya. it's a k12 linux theme...we might be able to steal some of it, tho.
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<johnny>
i'd just like to use gdm themes..
16:36
not feasible atm tho
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<Ryan52>
vagrantc, pfft. it's not identical. it's less shiny :p
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<vagrantc>
Ryan52: i don't notice.
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<stgraber>
ok, I just made rdesktop to actually work with the new screen-session.d thing
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so it's actually possible to use it now :)
17:10
just need to make it add the various -r disk/sound/... depending on the lts.conf parameters so we don't need to do that config twice
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17:13* vagrantc wonders why we haven't put "-br" in X_ARGS
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<vagrantc>
we have it hard-coded in rdesktop, xdmcp and ldm's screen scripts
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<stgraber>
vagrantc: do you have 2.0.24 orig.tar.gz somewhere ?
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<vagrantc>
stgraber: http://incoming.debian.org/
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<stgraber>
thanks
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<stgraber>
warren: I'd like to tag ltsp-trunk soon too, anything else you want to push ?
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<warren>
stgraber: just go ahead
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<n2o_2k>
hello
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<warren>
vagrantc for got to tag
19:55* warren pushes the tag
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<n2o_2k>
/w/indow 2
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<map7>
I'm using LTSP 5.1.29 and I'm having trouble when shutting down my diskless clients. I get the error 'nbd0: Receive control failed (result -4)', has anyone got any experience with fixing this problem?
20:31
I'm using mythbuntu (ubuntu 8.10) as my server.
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<dmhardison>
I have been reading about setting up fatclients, but it appears that all it is doing is mounting a network filesystem, placing a lot of strain on the network, probably causing programs to run slowly. Is this a fair assumption?
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<Ahmuck>
dmhardison: what distro?
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<dmhardison>
ubuntu probably.
21:06
<Ahmuck>
dmhardison: try edubuntu, Nubae
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specifially the channel #edubuntu
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<dmhardison>
I was just considering the speed of the applications if I have say a classroom of 10 students loading the same program.
21:08
Okay thank you.
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<n2o_2k>
if the choice was giving which distro will you base your ltsp between k12linux(fedora 9) and edubuntu ?
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<johnny>
they dont' have a fedora10 one yet?
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<n2o_2k>
yeah, fedora10 is out
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<pr0cess0r>
hi all i need some help my thin client shot the ubuntu loading ans hang there...
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<johnny>
remove quiet and splash from your /var/lib/tftpboot/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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and then you'll see all the messages
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<pr0cess0r>
i dont have ´╗┐pxelinux.cfg
22:44
is it a folder or file ?
22:45
found it
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<pr0cess0r>
ok i did it
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now i see loading and where it stop
22:50
i have this line that look suspect /sbin/modprobe abnormal exit
22:51
my client a prety recent notebook is it possible that i dont have the good drivers ?
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<pr0cess0r>
johnny are you here ?
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<johnny>
pr0cess0r, after what?
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<pr0cess0r>
i foun it my networkcard module that is missing
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now i try to find the name of the modeule to add it
23:33
i have exactly this error http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=915533
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<johnny>
did you do the thing in the last post ?
23:41
that looks like it should solve it
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<pr0cess0r>
good i added my network card driver to my server image i will test it tomorow
23:42
yes i followed this guide
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<pr0cess0r>
using 8139too driver
23:43
its wierd my laptop stay at ubuntu loading that mean pxe work and tftp
23:43
<johnny>
yes
23:43
that stuff has little to do with the linux network driver
23:43
it is not weird at all
23:43
<pr0cess0r>
but i have one more trouble my pentium 3 with a 3com network card fail to boot it dont get reply from tftp server
23:44
<johnny>
it all happens before linux
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<pr0cess0r>
i know now that my laptop touble must be network driver
23:44
<johnny>
i've had similiar problems
23:44
i just went with the floppy solution
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<pr0cess0r>
but whit my old p3 dont boot i dont know
23:44
<johnny>
instead of fixing it
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so i can't help you
23:44
<pr0cess0r>
i will try floppy solution firt too !
23:45
<johnny>
and taped up the floppy driver
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floppy drive*
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so my users wouldn't mess with it
23:45
<pr0cess0r>
if it work with floppy im happy
23:45
its just a server to have some fun and learn thing
23:46
i study to become a tech but they dont tech alot about linux
23:46
<johnny>
do you mean teach?
23:46
tech and then teach
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no.. i doubt they do.. they probably know very little.. so how could they teach it
23:46
people who know linux will be ahead of the curve tho
23:46
<pr0cess0r>
lol
23:47
<johnny>
especially with the current economic situations
23:47
<pr0cess0r>
yes i think its a good thing to now to get a job
23:47
<johnny>
and to help your clients
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who can't afford to run windows for so many machines
23:47
<pr0cess0r>
yes
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<johnny>
i used gentoo to teach me everything about linux
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ubuntu does too much magic.. that is hard to learn how to fix
23:48
if you're new
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<pr0cess0r>
my school have the largest thin client network in north america but i cant have any help there...
23:48
<johnny>
well .. ubuntu/fedora/suse/blah
23:48
i'd recommend you try linuxfromscratch once
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if you really want to learn how a distro ticks
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<pr0cess0r>
i used gentoo on the xbox you learn alot more
23:49
<johnny>
i learned gentoo.. and because of that.. i can fix most problems
23:49
even on ubuntu
23:49
i use ubuntu at my store
23:49
my gf uses ubuntu
23:49
<pr0cess0r>
you are able to sell computer with ubuntu
23:49
<johnny>
sure..
23:49
or opensuse
23:50
<pr0cess0r>
k
23:50
<johnny>
or anything like that
23:50
i'm using fedora10 on this laptop
23:50
has newer software than ubuntu
23:50
<pr0cess0r>
here they need MSN all the time lol
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<johnny>
that's the main reason i don't really use ubuntu
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for my own machines
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i play with too new of stuff often for ubuntu
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<pr0cess0r>
ok
23:51
<johnny>
just fine for others
23:51
<pr0cess0r>
when its on ubuntu its because its stable
23:51
fedora is very nice
23:52
i ahve the live cd ltsp sevrer it worked in 5 min
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<johnny>
yeah.. warren gave me on on usb
23:54
hello cyberorg
23:54
<Chidder>
python-updater
23:54
<johnny>
how are you?
23:54
<cyberorg>
hi johnny :)
23:55
<warren>
johnny: http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/packages/dbus/1.2.4/2.fc10/ upgrade your dbus to this version to unbreak lots of stuff
23:55
<johnny>
pr0cess0r, cyberorg here helps out with ltsp on pensuse
23:55
opensuse*
23:55
warren, seriously? like what?
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<warren>
johnny: like half of the desktop
23:55
<johnny>
what does it unbreak?
23:55
for example?
23:56
<warren>
umm
23:56
<johnny>
everything i use seems to work
23:56
<warren>
rpm -q dbus
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?
23:56
<johnny>
dbus-1.2.8-1.fc10.i386
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<warren>
ok well, lots of stuff is broken with that dbus
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<johnny>
i haven't noticed
23:56
<warren>
it was so broken that we downgraded
23:57
<johnny>
packagekit works.. weather applet
23:57
<warren>
you'll get 1.2.4-2 soon in an update
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<johnny>
gajim..
23:57
my tune updating
23:57
i have yet to notice a thing once packagekit was fixed
23:57
warren, i would have bugged you already if i knew of any more problems :)
23:58
warren, how are you ?