IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 3 February 2012   (all times are UTC)

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00:29
<ba>
where does LTSP store it's cache files?
00:29
<rthomson>
what cache files?
00:30
<ba>
I mean if I run ltsp-update-image about 3 times my 10 Gb would have 0 bytes remaining
00:30
then if I reboot, it's fine again
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00:35
<rthomson>
looking at the contents of ltsp-update-image (it is script), seems like everything happens in /opt/ltsp
00:35
TMPNAME=`/bin/mktemp -u /opt/ltsp/images/$arch.XXXXXXX`
00:35
for instance
00:35
<ba>
currently ther eis $arch.XXXX files
00:36
but I am sure if I restart
00:36
i would have much more free space
00:36
strange
00:36
<rthomson>
is ltsp-update-image failing somewhere?
00:36
<ba>
: /tmp folder doesn't have any big files
00:36
rthomson, no. it's working fine
00:37
rthomson, I just was testing and if I run update image 3 times i would go out of free space
00:37
then I am having to restart :D
00:37
which making my test life much more harder
00:38
<rthomson>
looking at the contents of the script, I'm not immediately aware of how that would happen but hey I'm just an end user
00:38
<ba>
btw. is there any possibility to test LTS.conf chnages without ltsp-update-image everytime?
00:38
rthomson, sure
00:38
<rthomson>
I thought lts.conf was now stored on the tftp server
00:39
meaning you just have to reboot the thin client
00:39
at least that is how it works with my NFS root
00:39
<ba>
"now" - when? on 12.04 version?
00:39
rthomson, you are not using bnd?
00:39
rthomson, you are not using nbd?
00:40
<rthomson>
nope, I use Fedora and NFS root
00:40
<ba>
rthomson, ah oka
00:40
<rthomson>
and by "now", I mean since I started using LTSP5 on Fedora
00:40
<ba>
rthomson, on Ubuntu it's a little bit different
00:40
rthomson, it's faster in the end but I have to run ltsp-update image on lts.conf changes
00:40
OMG
00:41
<rthomson>
I thought lts.conf was specifically moved out of the root file system and into the TFTP server so you don't have to rebuild the NBD image at every change
00:41
<ba>
I have to go sleeping as I am tellilng something stupid :D
00:41
for lts.conf I DON"T HAVE TO ltsp-update-image
00:41
rthomson, yes, sorry for confusing lol
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07:51
<muppis>
alkisg, win32-loader with ipxe works like a dream. :)
07:52
<alkisg>
Cool, isn't it? :)
07:52
We really need a wiki page about it... describing how to set the default boot loader item + timeout too
07:52
<muppis>
Sure thing. Now I keep XP for my kids and use Linux when I want with easy. :)
07:53
But can't get gnome-shell working in ltsp.
07:54
At server works fine.
07:55
<alkisg>
Hmm with Ubuntu supporting Unity, I wonder how many LTSP users will be using gnome-shell
07:55
Is gnome-shell installed by default in Debian sid?
07:57
<muppis>
I don't know.
07:58
I don't like Unity and I don't like the idea to switch Debian, so I'm little bit stuck with the problem then, I think.
07:59
<alkisg>
Nah you can just troubleshoot it and send patches :)
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<muppis>
I would if had time for that.
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<laurei>
without audio since upgrading to 11.10 last week, and now have pretty much exhausted every bit of documentation I can find, nada.
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<Hyperbyte>
http://evilrouters.net/achievement-unlocked/
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20:13
<kleewyck>
Any suggestions for a new LTSP server platform? I need to start from scratch and am wondering what base Linux to start with.
20:14
<vagrantc>
i'm biased towards debian, but ubuntu and debian LTSP implementations are actively maintained.
20:15
if you have a strong preference for another distro, though, you might want to go with that. really depends on your needs.
20:17
<kleewyck>
I'm pretty Distro Agnostic. All work... Work is REHL. but Ubuntu works good for me also . .
20:20
<vagrantc>
there's been some recent work on the redhat/fedora LTSP stuff, but it started lagging at some point
20:21
not sure what the status is
20:22
<kleewyck>
ok, is there a prebuilt kit these days for Ubuntu or just take the latest Ubuntu Server and then load LTSP on it?
20:24
<vagrantc>
if you install with the alternate CD, there's an option to install an LTSP server
20:25
otherwise, just install ltsp-server and/or ltsp-server-standalone packages
20:25
<kleewyck>
oh ok ..
20:25
<vagrantc>
and then run ltsp-build-client ...
20:26
if your server is amd64 and you want to run i386 clients, you need to run ltsp-build-client --arch i386
20:26
dunno how the server install CD handles that
20:26
the other key is that you need to install the ubuntu desktop tasks... since the server is essentially a desktop server (some people install the ubuntu server, but that's for console-only servers)
20:27
<kleewyck>
so use 11.10 or 10.04 LTS ?
20:29
<vagrantc>
that's your call ... the 11.10 has a shorter support cycle, but is also more similar to what will be 12.04 LTS which will be supported for a long time
20:30
10.04 has a fairly long term support cycle, but is older so that will expire in a little over a year
20:31
so many choices! :)
20:31
<kleewyck>
heheheh yes!!!!
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21:09
<vagrantc>
stgraber: any planned changes for ldm in the near future, or should i go ahead and upload 2.2.5 from ldm-trunk?
21:10
i have some further changes i'd like to make to make ssh-hostkeychecker more flexible
21:10
but i'll put those off for a future upload
21:13
<stgraber>
vagrantc: the only other change I have here is the gtk3 conversion but that's massive and not working (and will probably be released as 2.3), so feel free to go ahead with what we have now
21:27
<vagrantc>
stgraber: you hoping to get 2.3 out soon?
21:29
<stgraber>
vagrantc: I'd like to but it's unlikely, I have quite a lot of things to get done by Feature Freeze (16th) and it's one of the lowest priority ones
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22:09
<alkisg>
vagrantc: thanks for the epoptes upload! How would you feel about storing the ltsp sessions environment in ~/.cache/ltsp/session.$$? We could use that for S20-login-check, for ltsp-exec, ltsp-connections-info and for other scripts... e.g. http://paste.ubuntu.com/828141/
22:09
<vagrantc>
alkisg: yeah, happy to upload epoptes.
22:10
alkisg: we've generally tried to avoid storing stuff in user's homedirs, but maybe it's time we reconsider that...
22:10
alkisg: if it's user-specific session state information
22:11
<alkisg>
We _could_ check console-kit instead, but that's not specifically ltsp connections, it could e.g. be ssh connections, which we wouldn't want to killl
22:11
Also, it provides a clean way to have access to the client DISPLAYs... i don't think kfreebsd has /proc/pid/environ, does it?
22:12
(and it also works on fat clients)
22:12
<vagrantc>
stgraber: hrm. just a few days ago, i had ldm building and was thinking i'd upload today ... now generatte_locale_list.py is failing :(
22:13
<alkisg>
Yes, it's user specific session information, and specifically `export -p` at the S19-xx stage (LDM_USERNAME, DISPLAY, HOSTNAME etc)
22:13
I'm not sure if ~/.cache/ltsp is the correct dir for it..
22:13
<vagrantc>
right
22:14
do other applications do something similar?
22:14
<alkisg>
Some applications put lock files with their pid
22:14
But we're not running on the same system, so we can't use /var/run/pid etc
22:14
A few of them do use $HOME/somewhere
22:14
(usually $HOME/.appname)
22:16
<vagrantc>
seems like /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED no longer exists...
22:16
<alkisg>
Hm. Actually we *could* use /var/run/, since we're using the ssh socket anyway
22:16
But we'd need to put the username/uid in the filename too
22:17
<vagrantc>
or wait, i just don't have all the deps resolved
22:18
generate_locale_list.py falls over after processing en_ZW English (Zimbabwe)
22:20
<stgraber>
vagrantc: seems to work fine here. What version of python are you sing and exactly how does it fail?
22:20* vagrantc digs up the logs
22:23
<vagrantc>
stgraber: http://people.debian.org/~vagrant/ldm/ the newer one
22:23
stgraber: works fine for me on wheezy, so i think it's some change in libc or python or something
22:27
<stgraber>
vagrantc: might be a missing build-dep, though I'm not sure what that'd be. I tried running it with C and it works fine, so that's not it either ...
22:27
<vagrantc>
my guess is it's failing on he_IL (hebrew, israel?)
22:27
at least, that's next next one on the list when running it from wheezy.
22:28
<stgraber>
I triggered an automatic build of trunk on Launchpad, will see if it fails on the builders here too
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22:34
<alkisg>
'night all
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23:02
<vagrantc>
stgraber: well, i've got a workaround patch ... but it's kind of ugly.
23:03
stgraber: essentially, if it has trouble translating the country name, fall back to the english name
23:04
using try/except
23:06
dunno if i should just upload with a patch, or push that upstream... it's not ideal, but it's only affecting one language
23:07
i guess i'll push it upstream but have it issue a warning
23:07
that way we can see which languages are affected in the build logs
23:11
<stgraber>
sounds good
23:13
<vagrantc>
should probably do that with language name too
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