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Channel log from 18 December 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<muh2000__>
hi
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<ari_stress>
hi
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<muh2000>
my login screen does not load out of the sudden :/
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xdmcp i think is the problem
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<ari_stress>
did u make any changes?
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<muh2000>
no ^^
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<ari_stress>
strange :D
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<muh2000>
hmm i managed to have the login screen back with restart of kdm.
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but when i login it loads shortly some stuff and jumps back to the login.
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i can logon @ the server or with ssh though
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ltsp5 was it afair, maybe i should update it?
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<ari_stress>
if you make any changes in whatsoever, you might need to do:
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ltsp-update-sshkeys
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ltsp-update-image
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<muh2000>
-bash: ltsp-update-sshkeys: command not found :/
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<muh2000>
-bash: ltsp-update-image: command not found
00:43* sutula suggests "sudo" before both as they are probably in /usr/sbin
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<muh2000>
sutula: i am loged in as root ;)
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whoami .... root
00:44* sutula hasn't been paying that much attention...just an idea
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<muh2000>
^^
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<ari_stress>
muh2000: maybe you're not using ltsp5
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<sutula>
muh2000: It exists on ltsp5 on my server
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<muh2000>
i am starting to think it is still 4.2 i just remember testing ltsp5 some time ago... not quite sure, but doesnt change the problem that auth does not work anymor with ltsp :(
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i think i switch to ltsp5...
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<sutula>
muh2000: Probably a reinstall would be a help anyway...either it will solve it or at least you'll be on a version you can debug
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<muh2000>
hmmmmm or my auth system is broken somehow
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kdm: 192.168.88.8:0[10623]: pam_unix(kdm:auth): authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=192.168.88.8:0 ruser= rhost=192.168.88.8 user=bla
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<muh2000>
at the computer login still works, only over ltsp not
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<muh2000>
the ltsp-server install script asks me how many nbd server instances should be used ?!?
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<muh2000>
so i ran "ltsp-build-client --dist etch --arch i386" what now?
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hmmmm nfsmount is complaining that it needs a path o_O
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but the path is the same as before
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http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/8439/vmwarebi4.png
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help
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where is that /script/ folder ?
02:00
hmmm i changed the kernel to use 2.6.22-2-486 now it loads to some point
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there is a login screen, i managed to set a password for root with chroot... but i feel a bit lost
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no X, no login with normal users from the hostsystem etc..
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<muh2000>
and i wonder why the nbd client wants to access /lib/modules/2.6.22-2-486/modules.dep... i thought this was exported with nfs ?!?
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hmmm
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killed ltsp5 again, installed 4.2 still the same error...
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<daya>
Hi channel,
04:55
I followed the 2nd step of the http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto, while running ltsp-build-clent I got this comment
04:55
Adding `diversion of /sbin/start-stop-daemon to /sbin/start-stop-daemon.real by ltsp-client'
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OK
04:56
and It try to upgrade a large no. of pkg, is it bug ? or normal,
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<ace_suares>
daya, if you run ltsp-build-client
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it makes a chrooted environenmet
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and it fetches the packages from the repo's
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so yes, you'll be downloading quite a time.
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Check out this page: http://www.suares.an/ltsp-build-client-apt-mirror
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<daya>
ace_suares, I am doing it in etch,
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ace_suares, But as far as remember I have not seen such error in my previous built
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<ace_suares>
daya: soory, i only use ubuntu/edubuntu, can't help you much more...
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<daya>
ace_suares, o, ok , thanks for the link and suggestion
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<ari_stress>
good evening all
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<ace_suares>
hi ari
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<joebaker>
!seen joebaker
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<ltspbot>
joebaker: joebaker was last seen in #ltsp 5 days, 22 hours, 24 minutes, and 1 second ago: <joebaker> So I could build the chroot environment on it, then maybe copy all that into /opt/ltsp/ppc/ just like /opt/ltsp/i386. Then that would work?
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<cliebow>
rjune_:you handy??
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<rjune_>
cliebow: not really, but I'm aroun
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around
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<cliebow>
just a quickie..trying to grep for Serial Number in System_profiler and only want to get the first instance returned..any bright way top do so??
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<rjune_>
grep "foo" file | head -1
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probably not the best way, but it should work
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<cliebow>
so read output to a file first?
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<rjune_>
no
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I assumed a file.
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you can do cmd | grep "foo" | head -1 too
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<cliebow>
give it a whirl..tanks
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<rjune_>
my pleasure mate
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<cliebow>
8~)
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<steph_>
Did someone here tried *nux/ltsp/pulse on the client side? I would like to run audio apps from the server and redirect the sound to the local soundcard.
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<johnny>
it's suppose to do that automatically i thought
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the audio will just suck
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if you're doing editing and stuff
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<lns>
steph_, johnny, fyi audacity doesn't work via pulse
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<johnny>
that's a seperate issue
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plus that would run horrible on the server
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would totally eat up everything
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that needs to run locally for sure
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<steph_>
I know, but I need a client/server architecture. Audio is only a small part of the project.
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*thin client*
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<johnny>
they won't be thin if you want to run audio editing apps
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lns, audacity take long enough and enough space on a amd64 with 1gb ram .. and major amounts of scratch space
13:28* johnny doesn't even thinking gigabit networking with even just a few clients would work out well
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<johnny>
think*
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<steph_>
Even if it's just MIDI applications?
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<johnny>
im no expert at that
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trying asking around in linux audio forums for folks who have tried to do the same thing
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<lns>
steph_, are you just trying to get sound in your apps w/ltsp, or do actual sound editing?
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<loather-work>
MIDI is fairly lightweight, being that it's serial data
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there's no actual sound data sent with the stream
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<steph_>
I have already sound on the client side. But when i use audio apps, the sound come from the server's speaker. :|
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<loather-work>
it's just commands to strike this key at this velocity, using this particular sample
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<johnny>
steph_, you're prolly going to have to go directly to the specific application folks and talk to them about your setup
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and let them tell you how possible it is
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<steph_>
As an example, i would like to use a software synth who trigger with a keyboard connected on the client MPU-401 port
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<lns>
ah
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<steph_>
ok
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<lns>
yeah not sure about midi in ltsp..
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is there a URL/howto on configuring ALSA -> PulseAudio bridge in Gutsy?
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or is it the same as in Feisty (ala http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/Feisty/HOWTO:_PulseAudio )
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<steph_>
I'll take a look
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<lns>
wooooooooooooooo... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio
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go figure
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<steph_>
wooow :0
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<lns>
course that doesn't say anything about getting it going via ltsp, but it's a start
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there is also http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/Feisty/HOWTO:_PulseAudio
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which details ltsp pulse in feisty
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ogra, you around?
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!last ogra
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<ltspbot>
lns: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; (1 more message)
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<lns>
uhhh...ok =p
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oh yeah...
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!seen ogra
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<ltspbot>
lns: ogra was last seen in #ltsp 5 days, 19 hours, 29 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: <ogra> indeed
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<lns>
ooo...maybe he's taking a vacation =)
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<johnny>
!last --from ogra
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<ltspbot>
johnny: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 881 messages.
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<Blinny>
Hola. Anybody manage to get flash+sound working on a 64-bit server OS?
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<steph_>
Blinny: it might interest you http://stephen-walder.blogspot.com/2007/11/sound-flash-thin-clients.html
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<lns>
Blinny, I tried for ~3 months to get flash sound to work in amd64 server
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<Blinny>
I'm reading through old ltsp mailing list archives from before I joined (early Feisty stuff)
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<lns>
even compiling the revolutionlinux libflashsupport source by hand (with help of ogra to get past failed attempts) didn't work
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<Blinny>
steph_: That works fine for 32-bit servers
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lns: *Nod*
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<lns>
Blinny, if i were you i would just install i386 server..i did that, installed the RL libflashsupport package and it *works*...that's enough for the crap i went through to get it working in amd64
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<Blinny>
This is basically The Sticking Point for me.. I'm on K12V6 right now and have (mostly) everything working. The older CUPS tends to crap out a little too often, and my testing of Gutsy has been very positive, with that exception.
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lns: Running a dedicated i386 box just for serving the firefox/flash app?
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<lns>
Blinny, no, reformatting server and installing i386 OS
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<Blinny>
My sticker is the PAE/RAM issue; I have 8GB and my reading re: the overhead of PAE isn't very attractive.
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heh
14:52
Unfortunately, not an option.
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<lns>
Blinny, what's the overhead for PAE?
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<Blinny>
I've read a thread (dangling, never finished) of someone using 64-bit kernel on i386 OS.
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What I've seen is ~20%
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(slowdown)
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<lns>
wow
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<Blinny>
er, :s;seen;read
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I have _not_ tested.. the big box in question is serving a lot of users right now.
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My next highest RAM'd machine is like 384MB (;
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<lns>
well i haven't put this one into production yet but installing the server kernel got 8gb support for me. as far as i'm concerned it's worth it for me...flash / shockwave are too important (quite unfortunately) to try and hack together a solution for amd64 (considering the other anomolies we've experienced such as cups not working with firefox, etc...mostly firefox stuff really)
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i wish revolutionlinux would just compile an amd64 version of libflashsupport...but...oh man..my head starts spinning when thjnking about amd64 OS, to 32-bit flash via nspluginwrapper, vs 32-bit libflashsupport, in 64-bit browser...its a mess
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<Blinny>
Problems with CUPS and 64-bit FF or 32-bit FF?
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<lns>
32-bit
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yeah that's true actually, it was just ff32
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<Blinny>
One doesn't need nspluginwrapper if you have 32-bit FF
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I used nspluginwrapper for awhile. It crashed. A lot.
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<lns>
yeah but pritning is b0rked
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<Blinny>
Now I'm 32-bit FF on 64-bit OS.. but FC6-based.
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<Blinny>
It works just well enough to get by for now.
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The -server kernel is the PAE-enabled Gutsy kernel, I believe.
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<lns>
right
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i have full 8gb after installing server kernel
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(i386)
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of course 20% lag with PAE...ouch
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<Blinny>
Do your own tests. It may be that AMD64 is markedly differently than IA_64, as each core has its own memory controller on AMD64.
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For now I gotta run. Maybe Hoary will be time enough to address this. Cheers.
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<dan__t>
DAMNIT.
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DAMNIT. DAMNIT. DAMNIT.
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Ok, I'm done, sorry.
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<lns>
dan__t, lol
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<dan__t>
Having a bad day heh
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<daya>
vagrantc, hi
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vagrantc, I have followed the 2nd portion of the wiki, in etch,
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vagrantc, ne_NP.UTF-8... done
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Generation complete.
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Adding `diversion of /sbin/start-stop-daemon to /sbin/start-stop-daemon.real by ltsp-client'
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OK
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Adding `diversion of /etc/mtab to /etc/mtab.real by ltsp-client'
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and then it tries to download other pkgs, is it bug?
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vagrantc, are you there
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