IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 23 January 2013   (all times are UTC)

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01:23
<jammcq>
highvoltage: do you know when/where the next UDS is?
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05:20
<ltspuser_43>
hi
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05:24
<oo-dragon>
Hello all. I have a question for LTSP. I have setup a guest account for people (with the guest login button) but since its the same user/password, only one user can have firefox open, all others say there is one open already. is there a way around this?
05:27
<alkisg>
oo-dragon: create a different guest account for each client
05:28
guest01, guest02 etc
05:29
<oo-dragon>
sounds time consuming. have like 50 computers
05:30
hmm ... must be another way to allow firefox to have multi processes open
05:30
wonder if chrome would work...
05:31
<alkisg>
It depends on if you care about lost data or not
05:31
And about gnome crashes etc etc
05:31
You're using thin clients, not fats or localapps, right?
05:32
<oo-dragon>
yea thin clients
05:32
and don't care about data lose
05:32
crashes i would though :P
05:32
<alkisg>
You don't want users to be able to save stuff permanately?
05:33
<oo-dragon>
i have a shortcut on the desktop that goes to network storage
05:34
<alkisg>
Anyways, from the LTSP side, if you spend a few minutes to create 50 accounts and match them via your client mac addresses, you're done,
05:34
while if you want 50 parallel logins of the same account to the same PC (the ltsp server), that's no longer an ltsp issue,
05:34
it's a gnome/firefox/chrome/libreoffice etc issue
05:35
So you'd have to contact dozens of software maintainers to inform them about multiple logins problems with their apps, and I doubt they'd be willing to work on that
05:35
<oo-dragon>
i see your point. so you think creating multiple guests is the best option?
05:36
<alkisg>
Yup, unless your clients are good enough to run the session locally (fats/localapps)
05:36
That's a whole different issue then
05:36
<oo-dragon>
hmm well I'm pretty sure 98% of them have 512 RAM and P4 processors
05:37
<alkisg>
They would work with firefox in kiosk mode, but not in full session mode
05:37
<oo-dragon>
but wouldn't firefox still just be saving what ever (creating lock file) on the server, fat image or not?
05:37
<alkisg>
Maybe with lxde they would work in full session as well
05:38
Since you don't want /home/username to be saved across logins, you could have that locally in a tmpfs
05:38
<oo-dragon>
and that could be done even with thin clients no?
05:39
<alkisg>
No
05:39
Their session runs on the server, and you can't have different mount points per user
05:40
I.e. map /home/username in one tmpfs for the first login, and on another tmpfs for the second login
05:41
<oo-dragon>
ahh
05:41
hmm
05:42
<alkisg>
You're not the first one to ask about guest accounts, you know :)
05:42* alkisg has even made scripts to clear the home folder on login
05:45
<oo-dragon>
^_^
05:45
well thanks for info
05:45
not sure what I'll do just yet
05:45
getting all those mac addresses sounds like a pain, never mind making all the users
05:56
so where do you use LTSP?
06:06
<elias_a>
Schools, in businesses where identical bulk terminals are needed.
06:08
oo-dragon: Callcenters are a good example where the benefits make a difference.
06:11
<alkisg>
oo-dragon: you can get all the mac addresses with `arp -an`
06:18
oo-dragon: also, you can make 50 users with a for loop in 1 minute
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06:24
<oo-dragon>
^_^
06:30
<vnc786>
on giving print some times i got this in .xsessions-errors and printing doesn't work http://pastebin.com/VLuRntju
06:31
but if i logged out and log in print works with no issue. facing this issue with one times a day on fat clients
06:32
it's network printer any help !!!
06:39
<alkisg>
vnc786: are you using unity-3d, unity-2d, or gnome-fallback?
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06:44
<vnc786>
unity 2d
06:44
<alkisg>
It might be related, I haven't seen any such issues with gnome-fallback that we're using here
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06:57
<vnc786>
alkisg: was wondering what will happen if I installed lxde in my chroot will exiting gnomeDE will be removed or at time of logging it will have both option ?
06:58
<alkisg>
vnc786: you'll have both, but do a backup of your chroot before you start trying things
07:03
<vnc786>
I am getting shell by atl+F2 root but it is not asking passwd it is giving direct root login is there any way it should ask passwd ?
07:04
<alkisg>
!screen_02
07:04
<ltsp>
screen_02: To get a root shell on an Ubuntu thin client: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ClientTroubleshooting#Using_a_shell_SCREEN
07:04
<alkisg>
You're doing this, while you want that: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/UnlockChrootRootAcct
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07:19
<vnc786>
how can i know how many ltsp clients are connected i tried the command
07:19
ps ax | grep -o LTSP_CLIENT='[0-9]\{1,3\}\.[0-9]\{1,3\}\.[0-9]\{1,3\}\.[0-9]\{1,3\}' | awk -F '=' '{print $2}'
07:19
but it shows nothing
07:20
echo $? = 0
07:21
i did use netstat and logs to find out but since it provide me ltsp and non ltsp machine output also
07:29
<alkisg>
connected == logged in, or booted?
07:32
<vnc786>
connected, logged in, booted
07:32
<alkisg>
So, just booted
07:32
Since all the logged in machines are also booted
07:33
So you're not looking for "LTSP_CLIENT" as that only appears after login
07:37
You could e.g. check the nbd connections
07:38
sudo netstat -nap | awk '/ESTABLISHED .*nbd-server/ { print $5; }'
07:39
sudo netstat -nap | awk '/ESTABLISHED .*nbd-server/ { print $5; }' | cut -d : -f 1 | sort -u
07:42
<vnc786>
alkisg: both command working thank you for that
07:44
ok just confirming above command will show those who are using nbd-server and it will show that connections only
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08:19
<oo-dragon>
alkisg: haha, I just found a irc log with a convo that looks very similar to what I just asked :)
08:19
alkisg: your in it and everything :)
08:19
<alkisg>
:)
08:19
<oo-dragon>
http://irclogs.ltsp.org/?d=2010-05-03
08:22
hmm I'm using dconf-editor, but the settings do not seem to be saving through to LTSP ... or even on the server as far as I can tell
08:22
do I have to do something special to make it perminent?
08:22
pretty much trying to do this
08:22
org.gnome.desktop.lockdown disable-lock-screen 'true'
08:22
org.gnome.desktop.screensaver lock-enabled 'false'
08:23
<alkisg>
Not ltsp related at all
08:23
You want to save a gnome setting for all users
08:23
While it's saved for the current user only
08:23
Right?
08:24
<oo-dragon>
yes
08:24
i think
08:25
minus the while its saved for the currnet user only
08:25
either effect every one, or all new users, doesn't matter at this point
08:27
<alkisg>
In the edubuntu-users mailing list, jbitcha had described a method to perform dconf mandatory settings
08:27
That was 4-5 months ago, check its archives
08:27
It's not LTSP related so better not include "LTSP" in your googling...
08:29
<oo-dragon>
think i'll save this one for another night
08:29
its past 12 already :S
08:29
should be getting to bed
08:29
thanks for assists
08:30
<alkisg>
You're welcome
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<Hyperbyte>
alkisg!
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12:38
<andygraybeal>
how would rolling releases effect ltsp?
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13:16
<JuJuBee>
What does Transport Endpoint Not Connected mean?
13:18
I have 12 workstations connecting to my ltsp server and I am logging into each one and capturing the ifconfig eth0 output so I can set up my DHCP server with reservations. On some of the machines I get that error when I open terminal. Sometimes a reboot corrects it sometimes it takes several reboots.
13:19
<Hyperbyte>
Hi JuJuBee :-)
13:20
<JuJuBee>
Hi Hyperbyte
13:20
Any idea what is going on with my message?
13:20
<Hyperbyte>
Not entirely sure, but I think Transport Endpoint Not Connected means the client lost the connection to the NBD server
13:21
Due to server reboot or some other mishap somewhere
13:21
<JuJuBee>
I have not rebooted the server in several days
13:21
<Hyperbyte>
Well I'm no expert in these matters
13:21
<JuJuBee>
It's strange, the computer right next to it is fine...
13:21
<Hyperbyte>
Well the computer right next to it is another computer. ;-)
13:22
<JuJuBee>
I know... :(
13:22
<Hyperbyte>
I think alkisg can shed some light if he's around, or maybe one of the other devs.
13:22
It would help if you had some more info... you say sometimes it takes several reboots... what happens during the first reboots where a reboot doesn't 'fix it'?
13:23
<JuJuBee>
Nothing special seems to happen, but when I log in and go to terminal, pwd says I am in / rather than /home/user
13:26
ANother question, it seems that when using ifconfig, I have to specify absolute path... /sbin/ifconfig eth0. I thought sbin was in the system path by default on ubuntu install?
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13:51
<Hyperbyte>
JuJuBee, any chance the users' default shell might be sh instead of dash/bash?
13:51
Wild guess here
13:51
Or, that the default shell configured for the user might not exist on the system at all?
13:53
<JuJuBee>
Hyperbyte: nope, it is set to bash
13:54
AND... /sbin is in the path echo $PATH for this user account
13:54
at least on the ltsp server... haven't checked in the chroot
13:56
Hmmm, tab-line-completion doesn't work inside the chroot env? sudo apt-get install chrom(tab tab) nothing happens...?
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14:11
<Hyperbyte>
JuJuBee, type "bash", see if that fixes the problem.
14:11
If so, then the user IS getting the wrong shell. :-)
14:12
Or run ps -p $$ to determine the current shell
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<JuJuBee>
Hyperbyte: bash did not fix problem and ps -p $$ reported bash is current shell
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14:54
<JuJuBee>
Odly enough, I changed dhcp config to issue static reservations and now tab line is working, however, this transport endpoint not connected is causing me much grief... I can't be constantly rebooting after each login...
14:55
<alkisg>
ls .gvfs
14:56
Is that what complains about transport point not connected?
14:56
<JuJuBee>
on client?
14:56
<alkisg>
Yes
14:56
(fat I assume, right?)
14:57
<JuJuBee>
alkisg: yes fat, if I log in and get that error, I don't have a home dir isn't that where .gvfs is located?
14:57
<alkisg>
JuJuBee: that's the "serious sshfs bug" i've been bugging the other devs about...
14:58
Let me get you the bug report...
14:58
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/1093144
14:58
Not that it's not really fixed even if I put "fix committed" there,
14:58
and it's a long way till "fix released"
14:59
So if your users need to login a second time before client reboot, I'd suggest for you to move to NFS instead of SSHFS for the time being
14:59
Or, wait about 10 days, I'll have patches till then :)
15:00
<JuJuBee>
So is that why a reboot corrects it?
15:00
<alkisg>
Yup
15:00
<JuJuBee>
I can live with that for a few days I guess.
15:01
Can you give me advice on how to install software into image that uses a gui installer like netbeans?
15:01
<alkisg>
!ltsp-pnp
15:01
<ltsp>
ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
15:03
<JuJuBee>
Is that only way? What if I want software on server that I don't want clients to have?
15:03
<alkisg>
Use a template client, either a physical one, or in a VM
15:03
No, it's not the only way
15:03
The other way is to sudo chroot + copy your xauthority to the chroot
15:04
Then X works, but of course DBUS and the rest do not
15:04
So it might work for some simple programs like netbeans
15:04
<JuJuBee>
After install of netbeans can I remove xauthority to make dbus work again?
15:05
<alkisg>
Errr I meant dbus won't work in the chroot, it'll work fine on the server and on the booted clients without you doing anything
15:05
So yeah I guess copying xauthority would be enough, try it
15:08
<JuJuBee>
I assume you mean copy the xauthority from the server /home/user/.Xauthority but where to I copy to in chroot?
15:08
<alkisg>
if HOME is /root, to /root/.Xauthority
15:09
There are also xauth commands you can use instead of copying the file, but I don't remember them offhand
15:09
<JuJuBee>
and then run the installer from inside the chroot?
15:10
<alkisg>
Right
15:10
<JuJuBee>
alkisg: thanks, I will try that.
15:13
<Hyperbyte>
!xauthority
15:13
<ltsp>
xauthority: To access the thin client X display from ssh or from a local console, try: export $(tr '\0' '\n' < /proc/$(pgrep -nx 'ldm|kdm_greet|lxdm-greeter-gt|dbus-daemon')/environ | egrep '^DISPLAY=|^XAUTHORITY='
15:13
<Hyperbyte>
Oh, that's different. :P
15:13
JuJuBee, you could just switch to NFS for /home/
15:14
<JuJuBee>
so configure image to use nfs to mount /home?
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15:17
<Hyperbyte>
Yeah
15:18
Just set FSTAB_0 in lts.conf to the correct fstab line for mounting /home/
15:18
And make sure the rpc services are running on both client and server
15:19
<JuJuBee>
This is to fix the but with enpoint not connected? I don't mind waiting a while for a patch and rebooting after a logout
15:19
The college where I adjunct requires users to reboot rather than logout
15:23
<Hyperbyte>
JuJuBee, I think NFS home dirs is better anyways, performance-wise.
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15:37
<JuJuBee>
Hyperbyte: do I have to tell it to not use sshfs or just config nfs...
15:38
<Hyperbyte>
JuJuBee, LTSP stops using sshfs if /home/<user>/ already exists during login
15:38
So no need.
15:38
<JuJuBee>
OK, thanks. updating image now
15:48
I have all of my users already on my original server and was using nfs already to mount /home on my workstations. Should I move the home dirs to new server or just configure nfs to mount from old server? I am asking from a performance standpoint. Will I gain anything by keeping them on old server vs. mooving them to new server with ltsp-server running...?
15:52
<dievel>
Hi everybody. Yesterday I was dealing with a thin client that wasn't able to boot, hanging at "blkid" command on boot. Well, after all the test I can say that the ethernet card SiS190 is the problem. Adding and using an Intel Card (with PXE Prom) the client boot without problem :) Case closed! ;)
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<JuJuBee>
I can't get one of my required apps to run on the client... I tried running from cli and got no error messages but nothing shows on screen. It is a GUI app called PacketTracer from Cisco...
16:58
The .desktop file is http://pastebin.com/nfs4EGwX and all pathing seems correct
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