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Channel log from 31 December 2008   (all times are UTC)

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<wwx>
greetings, q-funk
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<Q-FUNK>
hey :)
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<_UsUrPeR_>
morning all
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<Q-FUNK>
howdy!
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<cliebow>
morning!
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<rjune_>
!g
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<ltspbot>
rjune_: "g" is Gadi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<Gadi>
mornin, rjune
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<Q-FUNK>
!g
08:38
<ltspbot>
Q-FUNK: "g" is Gadi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<cliebow>
!g
08:41
<ltspbot>
cliebow: "g" is Gadi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<Q-FUNK>
seems that we all found the G spot of client thining ;)
08:49
<cliebow>
8~)
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<petre>
ogra, ping
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<Gadi>
whoa
09:03
and double whoa
09:03
Happy New Year to all
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<Q-FUNK>
cheers!
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<petre>
it's still last year
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<jammcq>
good morning #ltsp
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<petre>
warren, ping
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<cliebow>
jammcq:!!
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<jammcq>
hey cliebow
09:51
<cliebow>
Hippy New Year
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<cib0>
hello
10:09
does anyone know whether it is possible to logon a thin client automatically into a ldm session from another machine?
10:20
<nubae>
from another machine?
10:21
you can set ldm to autologin after a period of time, or straight on startup
10:21
if u want to switch sessions to another user, can do that on any machine in question too
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<_UsUrPeR_>
warren:
10:52
I am seeing what I think is a bug
10:54
warren: after a brand new install of ltsp-server via "yum install ltsp-server", why does dhcpd still refer to /etc/dhcpd.conf instead of /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf? Every time I install ltsp on a F10 box, I have to "ln -s /etc/dhcpd.conf /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf"
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<warren>
_UsUrPeR_: service ltsp-dhcpd
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_UsUrPeR_: don't use dhcpd
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petre: pong
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<_UsUrPeR_>
warren: oh :D
12:03
<petre>
warren, the page on joining PackageMaintainers says use cvs-import with 'your approved SRPM'
12:04
warren, so I used 0.0.7 of my srpm
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<warren>
petre: no
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petre: import whatever is best
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<petre>
but I've got a 0.0.8 now; do I just repeat the step with that?
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<warren>
petre: try this, cvs co packagename
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petre: and checkin changes manually
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petre: you need to learn both methods
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<petre>
'cvs co' is what I'm used to, not sure how to blend it with fedora-cvs
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<warren>
I very rarely use cvs-import.sh
12:10
personally
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<petre>
warren, I was just asking over on fedora-devel: what do I set CVSROOT to in order to check in/out?
12:14
<warren>
petre: I personally do this:
12:15
petre: mkdir /home/username/somewhere/something
12:15
<Gadi>
vagrantc, warren, ogra, et al: I would like to add the code for the serial touchscreen support that we have currently into the new screen-session.d stuff, but I know that there is some "other way" with inputattach that has been proposed as the better way
12:15* Gadi has no clue about this method
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<warren>
petre: cd /home/username/somewhere/something
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<Gadi>
but, I need the touchscreen code in there
12:15
is it ok for me to add the hack to do what the current code does for now
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<warren>
#!/bin/bash
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export CVSROOT=:ext:wtogami@cvs.fedora.redhat.com:/cvs/pkgs
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export CVS_RSH='ssh'
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bash
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<Gadi>
until someone knows a better way?
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<warren>
petre: so I run that script whenever I will use fedora cvs in that dir
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Gadi: hmm, inputattach refers to xorg 1.5?
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<Gadi>
I think so
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<vagrantc>
inputattach has been around long before xorg 1.5
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<petre>
warren, right, I use something similar for some other projects
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<vagrantc>
Gadi: how ugly is the code? :)
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<Gadi>
I think the idea is that serial devices should use inputattach and then Xorg1.5 will magically see them
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or something
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<vagrantc>
older versions too
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<Gadi>
vagrantc: its the same as the touchscreen part of configure-x.sh (of blessed memory)
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<vagrantc>
we had inputattach code in the init scripts for ages to handle serial mice
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<Gadi>
ah
12:18
well, inputattach may be easier
12:18
with the new Xorgs that can have partial configs
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how are serial mice handled?
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that may give me a clue
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<vagrantc>
Gadi: look at ltsp-trunk/client/initscripts/ltsp-init-common
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<petre>
warren, I'm just unclear as to what CVSROOT should be set to
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<warren>
petre: I just told you
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<vagrantc>
Gadi: configure_serial_mouse function
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<warren>
petre: if you uploaded the right ssh pubkey to fedora account system, you can use the cvs without typing any passwords 10 times
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<Gadi>
and that works with conf-less xorg?
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<warren>
petre: replace wtogami with your own account name
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<petre>
warren, yep, did that
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public key, I mean
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<vagrantc>
Gadi: i believe inputattach can make serial devices show up as /dev/input/mice/misc or whatever the default is these days.
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<Gadi>
right
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<vagrantc>
Gadi: but i so rarely have tested serial mice
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<petre>
warren, ok, I'll try that
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<Gadi>
so I have two qus:
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1. does it still owrk ? ;)
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*work
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<vagrantc>
only millions and millions of ways to find out :)
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<Gadi>
2. what if your touchscreen does not have an X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL?
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:P
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<vagrantc>
man inputattach, i'm guessing
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<Gadi>
its rather skimpy
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<warren>
Gadi: I don't understand serial touchscreen or inputattach enough to comment
12:27
I think, do whatever you want, just don't break me.
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
warren: ping
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<Gadi>
interesting... if I do: strings /usr/sbin/inputattach I can find all these undocumented options
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:)
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<warren>
CAN-o-SPAM: ?
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<vagrantc>
Gadi: it actually shows as /dev/psaux ?
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<Gadi>
?
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<vagrantc>
Gadi: Synaptics Touchpad ...
12:40
man, that code is ugly...
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<Gadi>
I dunno about synaptics
12:41
I just know about the elographics
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I *think* this is how it goes down:
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inputattach makes the /dev/ttyS0 a /dev/input/<blah>
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<Gadi>
hal comes in and adds calibration info
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and Xorg picks up the device through evdev
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which listens to hal
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and thats how the new system goes
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but, hal is important because otherwise there's no calibration
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<vagrantc>
maybe just go ahead and add it the old way, and we can improve it later ...
12:43
<_UsUrPeR_>
warren: why does ltspbr0 disappear on restart in F10?
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<Gadi>
well, the old way requires some thought too
12:43
bec it is an input device
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not sure if that requires anything more than an input device stanza
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<vagrantc>
Gadi: it needs it's own section?
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<Gadi>
possibly
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<_UsUrPeR_>
warren: it came up properly the first time I ran ltsp-server-initilaize -y
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<vagrantc>
Gadi: we could handle which functions to run with a variable ... i.e. write_device, write_screen, write_monitor, for x in $custom_write_functions ; do ${x} ; done, write_modules
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<warren>
_UsUrPeR_: ugh, ltps-server-initialize shouldn't be used, nobody has tried to fix any of its bugs in a year
12:47
_UsUrPeR_: how did you find it? I need to just remove it or something.
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<vagrantc>
and add custom_write_functions="$custom_write_functions foo"
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<_UsUrPeR_>
warren: oh. :/
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<Gadi>
possibly
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<_UsUrPeR_>
warren: it was installed with yum install ltsp-server
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<Gadi>
if this is worth adding upstream, then we might as well make it a default function
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<_UsUrPeR_>
warren: the idea with the bridge is solid. I liked it's implementation
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<Gadi>
if this remains a downstream hack, then not
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<warren>
_UsUrPeR_: is service network among the services started automatically at bootup?
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_UsUrPeR_: NetworkManager doesn't know how to bring up bridges
12:49* _UsUrPeR_ checks services
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<_UsUrPeR_>
warren: it appears the Network is started on boot, but not "Enabled"
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<warren>
_UsUrPeR_: chkconfig network on
12:51
<_UsUrPeR_>
rgr
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<Gadi>
hmm... inputattach hangs with this touchscreen
12:57
<_UsUrPeR_>
warren: another question: when installing ltsp-server, why do I have to turn on the sshd service?
12:57
<warren>
_UsUrPeR_: manually you mean?
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<_UsUrPeR_>
warren: correct
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<warren>
_UsUrPeR_: well, it might already be enabled, but the docs mention it just to be 100% sure it is enabled
12:58
hmm
12:58
<_UsUrPeR_>
ok
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<warren>
_UsUrPeR_: the ltsp version in fedora 10 repos is a bit old, i'm soon pushing latest upstream
12:59
Gadi: how important are those changes you made in ltsp-trunk?
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<_UsUrPeR_>
warren: cool.
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<warren>
Gadi: will it be tagged soon?
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<Gadi>
I think I only made one change
12:59
vagrantc has made more
13:00
my change makes the localapps local groups work in an Active Directory (smbldap) environment where groups can have more than 1 word
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<warren>
how safe are those changes?
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<Gadi>
Mine should be pretty safe - cannot speak for vagrantc's - but I think vagrantc's been testing as he goes?
13:01
maybe?
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<vagrantc>
warren: all my changes are just code cleanups
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<Gadi>
if you are concerned, warren, no need to rush with those
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otherwise, a quick test on fedora wouldnt hurt
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:)
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<vagrantc>
warren: i think they're safe, haven't tested them in a *real* environment
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but i have done some testing
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<Gadi>
warren: btw: I found that on some new via boards that I am testing, there are more audio channels that need default values for sound :P
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<warren>
Gadi: fun
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<Gadi>
yeah: they make channels called VIA_DSX
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:P
13:06
I think it is like high def sound or 5.1 channel audio or some such
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but, if the VIA_DSX,0 channel is not turned up, you dont hear anything
13:07* Gadi might try to make that code a little smarter about finding channel names
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<_UsUrPeR_>
warren: is there a certain group/permissions that need to be settled to allow users access to flash and removable hard drivers in F10?
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<warren>
_UsUrPeR_: uh, that's an upstream question
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<vagrantc>
_UsUrPeR_: on debian, they need to be added to the fuse group
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no idea with fedora
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<_UsUrPeR_>
vagrantc: yeah, that's why i was asking.
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<warren>
oh
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_UsUrPeR_: if you're logged into GNOME on F10 you don't need to add the user to the fuse group
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_UsUrPeR_: but ltspfs will only mount things considered "removable" media
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there is something else you can do it make it mount local disks, but I never used it
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<_UsUrPeR_>
warren: ok, let me try a flash drive instead of removeable hdd
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<warren>
USB flash drives and USB hard drives have not failed for me in many months
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<_UsUrPeR_>
warren: I'm running with a new install. Is there anything that needs to be done in order to ensure that removable media will appear on the client desktop? Right now, there is nothing.
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<warren>
_UsUrPeR_: umm... I really haven't seen that fail ever
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since like March 2008
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_UsUrPeR_: what kind of session login? GNOME?
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<_UsUrPeR_>
yeah, gnome
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
warren: wtogami@redhat.com ... right?
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<warren>
yes
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<fgiraldeau>
I do have some progress on the libssh thing : http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LdmLibsshBackend
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Have a great new year all ;)
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<_UsUrPeR_>
warren: DVI output on via chipsets. What should I be doing?
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warren: bad question. DVI was something we had spoken about.
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<warren>
_UsUrPeR_: latest RPM packages can handle X_* options now
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_UsUrPeR_: that changed since a monnth ago
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<_UsUrPeR_>
warren: Faith and begora! My hero.
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<penguinhunters>
Gotta question... Using ltsp for the first time with edubuntu... We are configuring it for a private school. I have the server the way I want it... When booting from the thin client it will pull up the graphical login screen, I can log in but after it recognizes my credentials, it black screens and locks up... Any ideas??
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<vagrantc>
!release
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "release" is please mention the linux distro and release you're using :)
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<penguinhunters>
:D Ubuntu 8.10
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sorry
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ltsp-5
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<penguinhunters>
Any ideas?
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<Ryan52>
!tell vagrantc about release
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<ltspbot>
Ryan52: Error: No factoid matches that key.
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<Ryan52>
this bot fails. :)
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<Gadi>
penguinhunters: check the user's ~/.xsession-errors
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(the end of the file)
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<penguinhunters>
The student login we are using, isn't showing any .xsession-errors... My personal xsession-errors shows information about my logon the server but not from the thinclient
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<vagrantc>
Ryan52: huh?
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oh.
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<penguinhunters>
could it have something to do with a problem logging on with ssh
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<petre>
ogra, you're in Deutschland, correct?
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<Ryan52>
yay! lets leave commented out cruft everywhere! :)
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<urandom>
I've just setup LTSP-5 on Debian Sid and my client boots successfully, but the login window never appears (monitor blanks)
17:11
The server logs ldminfod[10434]: connect from 192.168.0.145 (192.168.0.145) but nothing else,
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and there are no errors in the X logs on the client
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I'm hoping someone can point me in the right direction
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<johnny>
you might want to try back on a day that isn't new years eve
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altho of course you might get lucky
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just don't expect a response tonight.. or any evening for that matter.. most folks are here during their day jobs i gues
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<urandom>
thanks...
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the holidays are the only reason I'm doing this now :)
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<rjune_>
petre: yes he is
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<urandom>
hrrmmm... switching the video driver from trident to vesa seems to have "fixed" it
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so, I'm probably good
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<vagrantc>
urandom: you should file a bug against xorg, then.
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Ryan52: you poking fun at my theme tweaks? :P
17:54* Ryan52 nods :D
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<urandom>
vagrantc: you're right, I will
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<vagrantc>
Ryan52: took me way too long, and i wanted to make it easy for people to complain about something (and revert)
17:55* vagrantc isn't real confident with theme stuff
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<Ryan52>
ok
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<vagrantc>
hmmm... gtk2-engines-nodoka looks pretty slick
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<Ryan52>
vagrantc: screenshots? :)
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<vagrantc>
Ryan52: well, i just make an ldm theme with symlinks :)
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just link greeter-gtkrc to whatever theme's gtkrc, and then symlink all the other files from the ltsp theme ...
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instant ldm themes! :)
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<Ryan52>
:)
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<vagrantc>
gtk2-engines-nodoka is nice because it's tiny and it ships something totally useable.
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gtk2-engines-murrine recommends murrine-themes, which is kind of annoying ...
18:24
just because it's so big
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<vagrantc>
Ryan52: well, i cleaned out all the commented cruft, and a whole lot more. hopefully doesn't break anything :)
19:25
<Ryan52>
:)
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<vagrantc>
overall, it looks nicer, at least on lenn
19:26
y
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