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Channel log from 17 June 2010   (all times are UTC)

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<maslak>
does anyone have any up to date howto connect vnc to gdm... ? i'm expieriencing some graphic problems with X, so i'd like use vnc ...
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<coverciano>
Hi, someone can help us?
04:22
we are setting up an ltsp classroom
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some troubles about boot of 2/13 clients
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not the same at any boot
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<alkisg>
coverciano: do you see some error message?
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maslak: gdm or ldm?
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<coverciano>
gdm
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<alkisg>
No that question (gdm or ldm) was for another person...
04:28
(maslak)
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<Sean>
hi there
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<Guest46503>
anyone can guide me for ltspying
04:30
is there a web gui for ltsp server?
04:30
<alkisg>
GUI to do what?
04:30
<Guest46503>
i dont prefer to use ubuntu-desktop as server
04:30
configuring
04:30
<alkisg>
To configure what?
04:30
<Guest46503>
i always use ubuntu-server as server
04:30
client management, user management
04:31
<alkisg>
You need a desktop on the server because that's the desktop that the users will see
04:31
<Guest46503>
device management
04:31
hmmm
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<alkisg>
So you can't have an ltsp server without a desktop
04:31
(unless you don't want your clients to have a desktop too)
04:31
<Guest46503>
do you mean that ltsp is better to be host in the desktop version?
04:32
<alkisg>
Yes, the recommented way to install ubuntu/ltsp is with the ubuntu alternate cd, which contains a desktop
04:32
<Guest46503>
i manage to install the ltsp server in ubuntu-server
04:32
<alkisg>
Sure, you can install ltsp on ubuntu-server. But your clients won't have a desktop in this case
04:32
You'd need to install ubuntu-desktop too
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<Guest46503>
i just manage to create the ssh user using the ssh_config allowgroup
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then i manage to boot the client and login into ubuntu-desktop
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<alkisg>
What ubuntu-desktop? Didn't you say you used the ubuntu-server CD, which doesn't have a desktop?
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<Guest46503>
and i believed that i will move to the nfs or samba and ldap soon
04:34
10.04
04:34
i install ltsp-server
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then i build the image with ltsp-build-client --arch i386 --chroot fati386 --fat-client-desktop ubuntu-desktop --purge-chroot --prompt-rootpass
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<alkisg>
Ah, then you're using fat clients, not thin client, right?
04:35
That's why you have a desktop
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<Guest46503>
hmmm, i never though of that
04:35
ok
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<alkisg>
You should say that from the start...
04:35
<Guest46503>
understand
04:36
so if i need to run thinclient, i must use ubuntu-desktop version
04:36
<alkisg>
Or run `tasksel install ubuntu-desktop` on your server now
04:36
OK. What task do you want to do now? What do you mean "manage devices"?
04:37
<Guest46503>
printer, scanner
04:37
<alkisg>
You need to share the printer with CUPs for the clients to see it. CUPs does have a web interface
04:38
<Guest46503>
what about install a local printer attached to the fatclient or maybe thinclient
04:38
<alkisg>
"Which web UI should I use to configure my server" isn't LTSP-specific though, you could ask this question in #ubuntu-server. Some people use ebox for this.
04:39
Printers should be automatically autodetected/installed
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(on fat clients)
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<Guest46503>
oic
04:39
<alkisg>
LTSP usually doesn't need a web front end, as the server already has a desktop in order to serve it for the clients
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So most of us just use the gnome tools
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<Guest46503>
gnome tools? sabayon?
04:40
<alkisg>
No, printers-admin, users-admin etc
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*system-config-printer
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<Guest46503>
printers-admin?
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<alkisg>
(12:48:13 μμ) alkisg: *system-config-printer
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<Guest46503>
on the ltsp-server site?
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<alkisg>
Yes, or on a thin client
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<Guest46503>
oic
04:45
but i do need to activate the printer_0_device in the lts.conf. rite?
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<maslak>
easiest way to install is to download "alternate" iso image, burn, and after booting from cd/dvd press (f4 if i remember) set mode to "ltsp" and that's all ;)
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<maslak>
is chroot system forim /opt/ltsb/i386 mounted directly as-is, or is it served as image generated by ltsp-update-image ?
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<sep>
maslak, depends on if you use nfs or nbd i assume
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<Ghidorah>
How would I go about using gconf in chroot?
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<Ghidorah>
Does any one have any experience with gconf and chroot?
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<gnunux>
what problem have you ?
08:01
<Ghidorah>
just don't know where to begin with it
08:03
how do I access the chroot with gconf
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<dobber>
why do you need that ?
08:35
Ghidorah what do you want to do
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<Ghidorah>
I'm attempting to set the default ubuntu theme for all users
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<dobber>
you dont need to change the chroot for that
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<Ghidorah>
Well then I guess I don't need help with gconf... how would I go about changing the theme?
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<dobber>
you can use gconf normaly
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<Ghidorah>
I used gconf to set the theme but it doesn't apply to the terminals
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dobber: I retract my statement. Thank you for helping me.
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<dobber>
i was googling like mad
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:)
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<Ghidorah>
I'm have a heck of a time attempting to lock down user homedir
10:35
does anyone where I need to set permissions so that all new folders created will only allow the specified user access
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<abeehc>
Ghidorah: i think so
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in /etc/likewise/lsassd.conf?
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<alkisg>
Ghidorah: man umask
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Ah, is this about samba?
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<jammcq>
hello fiends
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<atkuepker>
I know the leftover processes issue has come up from time to time, and there was a couple suggested fixes for it. Management rejected gnome-watchdog since it a) runs at startup instead of logout and thus b) logs the users out if they do decide to blow out the previous session.
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<atkuepker>
Is there an equivalent function in LDM to replace the kdmrc function where I can run a script on exit?
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I assume this would be in the chroot nowadays instead of the main server.
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but perhaps I'm assuming wrong too =(
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<vagrantc>
yeah, in the chroot
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/opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm/rc.d
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i think
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somewhere around there
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<alkisg>
atkuepker: sbalneav make a utility just for this, xexit
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It runs a script when X is killed etc
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Let me get you the launchpad project link..
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http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~sbalneav/ltsp/xexit/
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<atkuepker>
thanks. I was thinking there had to be something already there for this.
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<alkisg>
O
13:07
I'm not sure if he found the time to package it yet
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Yup, https://launchpad.net/~sbalneav/+archive/ppa
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So you just add his ppa to your sources, apt-get update/install xexit, and test/report how it goes...
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<atkuepker>
excellent. Did the same for the OO.org3.2 PPA the other night for some servers to handle docx files better.
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<alkisg>
`sudo add-apt-repository ppa:sbalneav` should do it
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<atkuepker>
thanks.
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<Lns>
woah
13:38
vagrantc: so I have this HP d220mt (intel 845g gfx) and I booted it up to Debian ltsp(in backports). It sat there, screen then blanked after..I dunno, 5min, then about 5 min after that, when it tries to seemingly go into monitor standby, it cycles in and out (click click click) repeatedly until i wake it up
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it's a dell CRT so ...i dunno if that could cause damage or not
13:38
if someone had the same setup and left it on like that, cycling in and out of standby
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<atkuepker>
ugh. i845. those things are the bane of my existence. =/
13:39
http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26345
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<Lns>
atkuepker: wow thanks =)
13:40
yeah i'm having a hellofatime with flash but i think it's actually the vid driver and not flash (for once!)
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<atkuepker>
not that the link has actually helped us any. It's still messed up.
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<vagrantc>
Lns: yeah, doesn't sound good.
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though any CRT from the last 10 years probably won't explode from it
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<Lns>
vagrantc: ;)
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<atkuepker>
my then-7yo IBM 13" VGA monitor really did catch on fire from a similar issue back in 2001.
13:43
<Lns>
!!
13:43
<ltspbot>
Lns: Error: "!" is not a valid command.
13:43
<Lns>
wasn't talking to you ltspbot ;)
13:44
I wrecked an old 14" CRT probably around 1996 from wrong Xfree86.conf file I handcrafted =p
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<atkuepker>
my wife was very upset about the smoking capacitor smell since our newborn was still sleeping in the bedroom/office at that point.
13:45
<vagrantc>
i killed a CRT in an arcade machine that we were trying to retrofit with a linux box
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<atkuepker>
now that's a cool little project.
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<Lns>
hehe!
13:48
vagrantc: mame?
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<vagrantc>
yeah
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<Lns>
i restored an old double dragon arcade machine a couple years ago, still sitting in my living room :)
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<abeehc>
nice
13:49
<Lns>
i'd love to do a custom mame cabinet
13:49
<abeehc>
i got street fighter alpha 2
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same just a lot of time involved
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<Lns>
nice!
13:50
yes, very time consuming!
13:50
and wallet contents consuming
13:51
<johnny>
ah.. my nostagia factor for such things has only grown smaller as i have aged.. not grown
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<Lns>
there goes the crt again..hahaha
13:51
<johnny>
i want less "things"
13:52
personally anyways
13:52
<Lns>
johnny: i agree with you for the 'less things' part
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<johnny>
i'll just come to your house to play with it instead:)
13:52
<Lns>
but double dragon...i couldn't resist. i fell in love with that game at age 9
13:52
<johnny>
i played many incarnations of that game
13:52
nes, arcade, genesis
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<Lns>
yeah that's probably one of the most ported games in history
13:53
<johnny>
funny glitch on the nes where you could ride the elevator without stepping on it
13:53
just zoom right up betwee 2 pole looking things
13:53
<Lns>
c=64, amiga, PC, gameboy/gba, game gear, pretty much any system
13:53
yeah i remember that, haha
13:53
the nes versions of 1 and 2 were always so much more elaborate as far as levels
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<johnny>
i always preferred river city ransom
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<johnny>
river city ransom was more like an rpg
13:54
one of my favorite games of all time
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<Gadi>
up-up-down-down-left-right-left-right-b-a-b-a-start
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<johnny>
i played contra a few months ago when i was really frustrated with a project
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<Lns>
Gadi: that's Konami! =)
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but Super Contra is my next arcade project haha
13:55
rcr was a great game too
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http://www.cosmmo.net/site/pictures/view_album.php?album_id=817 - restoration pics for double dragon =)
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<jammcq>
Gadi?
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<Gadi>
jammcq: ur too old
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:)
14:01* Gadi says that in the most loving way
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<Gadi>
:D
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<Lns>
hehe
14:02
ah, video games. The perfect solution to childhood bordem
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<alkisg>
It's a pity that xmame doesn't support xv acceleration without shm... makes thin clients unable to play it :)
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<abeehc>
!lts.conf
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<ltspbot>
abeehc: "lts.conf" :: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
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<abeehc>
where might i find info on nfs_home
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<alkisg>
abeehc: what do you need to know about it?
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You just export a dir from the server, e.g. /home, and then put NFS_HOME=/home in lts.conf to automatically mount it on the clients
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$ grep ^/home /etc/exports
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/home *(rw,no_subtree_check)
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<johnny>
hmm.. i can't export all of /home :(
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<alkisg>
Then put your ltsp users to another tree. Or use sshfs.
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<abeehc>
i was wondering how it really compares to local apps
14:18
the ubuntu wiki article doesn't go to far into that
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and in fact at first pass they sound the same
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er
14:18
wait im confused
14:18
that's perfect thank you
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as it is my homedirs are on a seperate server than the ltsp host
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so my clients mount to the ltsp server that's in turn mounted to the file server
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which seems sucky
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<Ghidorah>
how can I disable the screen saver / locking on the thin clients
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<alkisg>
abeehc: you can also put a server in NFS_HOME=server-ip/path
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<abeehc>
ah perfect perfect
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<alkisg>
abeehc: nfs is more insecure but more apps work with it than with sshfs. And it's also faster
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E.g. evolution won't work with sshfs, but works fine with nfs
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Ghidorah: gnome?
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<Ghidorah>
aye
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<abeehc>
ok i see so as it is, i'm using sshfs to the ltsp server, who uses nfs to the file server
14:22
thanks not using eveolution so i'll give it a run
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<alkisg>
If you're already using nfs, then yeah NFS_HOME will make it faster for localapps
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<abeehc>
Ghidorah: you are going through the same fun stuff as i've had to like 4 months ago
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gconftool-2 --type boolean -s /apps/gnome_settings_daemon/screensaver/start_screensaver false
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sudo chmod -x /usr/bin/gnome-screensaver
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alkisg: thanks !!!! jeez i hope so.. seems like localapps have been beating on my crappy server
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<alkisg>
abeehc: how much ram do your clients have?
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<abeehc>
varies a bit, i have one set that are 64mb machines; and the majority are 512+
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<Ghidorah>
abeehc: what other things did you lock down
14:24
<abeehc>
64mb machines only rdesktop to a win box
14:24
Ghidorah: i have a really ugly doc i can barely read
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<alkisg>
abeehc: I see. You could use a fat chroot then...
14:24
<abeehc>
what was your motivitaion for killing the screensaver?
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<Ghidorah>
so students don't walk away and have their machiens lock
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<abeehc>
alkisg: yeah, i'm just pretting a fresh machine to try the fat chroot out
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<Ghidorah>
I need to disable user switching too
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<abeehc>
i think it's fat chroot
14:25
fatchroot==fatclient?
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<alkisg>
Yup
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<abeehc>
word yeah i'm looking forward to trying that
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but for now i just need to get back to stable land to shut my users up
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<alkisg>
And if you get the newest package from my ppa, your clients with < 300 MB RAM will automatically be booted as thin
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<jammcq>
Gadi: is that any way to speak to your elders?
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<abeehc>
Ghidorah: ahh.. at the time i fought with the screensaver thing, pam didn't like likewise that much and it kept messing up and segfaulting
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I didn't know user switching was even enabled
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<Ghidorah>
yeah I dumped likewise because of the pam-mount pain
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<abeehc>
man now your killin me
14:26
haha
14:26
my pam mount works damn it
14:27
took me a week or two though
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<Ghidorah>
lol took me a long time too
14:27
everything is working with it now
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<abeehc>
I did have to do the localdev workaround to avoid a million floppy discs showing
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<Ghidorah>
really? I don't have that issue at all
14:27
<abeehc>
but on my list ther'e snot much more you havne't gotten too
14:27
i imagien it's fixed these notes are from jaunty
14:27
i'm just refreshing this junk for karmic inthe last few days
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<Ghidorah>
I tried to get all this done with sabayon on my test ltsp - karmic
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but didn't go so hot
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<abeehc>
yeha i'm not brave enough to go there yet
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<atkuepker>
alkisg, you know of any reason to not use the Ubuntu Lucid xexit on Karmic? I noticed Scott's PPA only has xexit for 10.04.
14:30
not the end of the world if I blow it up since it's my test server, but I'd rather not lose that half day of work =)
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<Ghidorah>
what is xexit
14:31
anyone know why the restart option the terminals only kill the x session?
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<atkuepker>
cleans out leftover processes on logout
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<johnny>
if you really wanna restart, you have to log out and choose restart from the ldm screen
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<alkisg>
atkuepker: no, I don't think it's lucid specific. It should be pretty portable.
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<atkuepker>
thx.
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<Ghidorah>
dang I thought the restart feature was working
14:32
I had it working in karmic I thought...
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<alkisg>
Ghidorah: if you install gnome-session from my ppa it'll work again
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<Ghidorah>
what is your ppa?
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<alkisg>
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/491940
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<Ghidorah>
how do I add your ppa?
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<alkisg>
sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ts.sch.gr
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sudo apt-get update
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sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
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<Ghidorah>
dist-upgrade?
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<alkisg>
That will also get you a more recent ltsp version though
14:34
dist-upgrade does not mean "get me the next distro version"
14:34
It just means "install more packages if dependencies have changed, in order to properly upgrade"
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<Ghidorah>
should I do that on both the server and chroot?
14:35
<alkisg>
No, just the server
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<Ghidorah>
what is the package name for xexit?
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<vagrantc>
current version of lxde in debian/testing supports reboot/shutdown for ltsp thin clients :)
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<alkisg>
xexit. That's on sbalneav's ppa, though.
14:36* alkisg copies xexit to his ppa...
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<alkisg>
vagrantc: good work on that, thanks :)
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<Ghidorah>
what is lxde?
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<alkisg>
gnome, kde, xfce, lxde <== lighter
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<Ghidorah>
oh nice
14:40
sigh I feel like I need to go back to windows land
14:40
I feel to noobish here
14:40
<abeehc>
whoa whoa whoa
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<Lns>
Ghidorah: we're all here to help you, no need to think that way =)
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<Ghidorah>
I do appreciate it.
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sad thing is I just went to the LTSP-Bootcamp class two months back
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<Lns>
Ghidorah: ah i wish i was able to go to that
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<abeehc>
same, i imagine it was nowhere near me though
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<Lns>
Thought I'd share this article with you guys, I submitted this to a California local educational tech magazine, hopefully they'll be publishing it in their next issue which is focussed on open source - http://www.logicalnetworking.net/?p=924
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<Ghidorah>
I was lucky
14:52
I lived about 5 min from it
14:52
live*
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<vagrantc>
alkisg: i just nudged the appropriate people :)
14:58
alkisg: it does feel kind of stupid to have such an LTSP-specific mechanism
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<alkisg>
vagrantc: nx could also use a similar mechanism. Maybe we should join forces... :D
15:00
Maybe the best would be for gnome-session etc to have an exit code which we could modify. E.g. 0==just logoff, 1==reboot, 2==shutdown etc
15:00
<vagrantc>
there free nx clients yet?
15:00
<alkisg>
There is one qt based
15:01
<vagrantc>
alkisg: or just figuring out a mechnism for plugins or some such
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<Lns>
omg, epiphany-browser runs exceptionally well as a localapp even on my little via 1ghz system!
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<Ghidorah>
how can I set the homepage and proxy settings for firefox as a localapp?
15:38
<abeehc>
i think you can follow the normal way to do that which .. is like editing the global js file or something
15:38
but then do it in the chroot
15:48
<Lns>
!lts.conf
15:48
<ltspbot>
Lns: "lts.conf" :: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
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<Lns>
Anyone know how USE_LOCAL_SWAP works under the hood? I'm wondering that if a machine has a usb drive with a swap partition, if it could utilize that...and/or if it has more than one hard disk in it.
16:00
heh, nevermind. slower than molases that usb swap. Worth a shot i guess ;)
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<PMantis>
What's the best way to set the time on a thin client on bootup? If I SSH to the thin client, and run ntpdate, LDM displays the correct time... but when i reboot, it's back to 5 hours behind.
16:04
That doesn't even make sense, either... since we're GMT-4 right now.
16:06
<abeehc>
i think it would be lts.conf
16:06
with TIMEZONE and TIMESERVER
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!lts.conf
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<ltspbot>
abeehc: "lts.conf" :: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
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<alkisg>
Lns, have you heard about windows readyboost? USB sticks aren't that bad for swapping, with their low latency...
16:09
Of course if you have gigabit, then NBD_SWAP would be faster
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<Lns>
alkisg: this was just dog slow. of course this client has 64mb ram...it was swapping a LOT for iceweasel
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<alkisg>
Lns: for 64mb clients, you'd better disable compcache
16:11
It takes up 25% of the available RAM, and it's causing lots of swapping
16:11
<vagrantc>
PMantis: there's an option somewhere to automatically run ntpdate at boot
16:11
<Lns>
alkisg: compcache? why do i remember that
16:11
<alkisg>
I've put code in the latest ltsp trunk that automatically disables compcache if any sort of swapping is available
16:11
Put nocompcache in pxelinux.cfg/default
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(or in pxelinux.cfg/01-mac-address)
16:12
<Lns>
alkisg: i'm using debian backported ltsp...do you know if it's in there? vagrantc ?
16:12
<vagrantc>
Lns: no
16:13
it's just in bzr, not in any packages that i'm aware of
16:13
<alkisg>
Does debian use compcache by default?
16:13
<vagrantc>
no, debian doesn't have the tools to use compcache yet
16:14
<alkisg>
So I wonder why 64mb is not enough... Lns, can you upload a ps aux to pastebin?
16:14
(from a localxterm or SCREEN_02=shell...)
16:15
<vagrantc>
Lns: you running out of ram on 64MB clients?
16:15
<Lns>
yeah its got like 1mb free.. and lots of swap
16:15
<vagrantc>
i haven't been testing with that low ram lately...
16:16
Lns: just as a thin client, no localapps or anything?
16:17
<Lns>
vagrantc: lemme boot it back up and see how much it takes
16:17
this is a station from one of my schools.. it has worked great but i was testing out localapps and it just...doesnt...work..lol
16:17
the big issue is (gasp) web browsing so i'm trying to figure out a solution, or if one is even possible with these old guys
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<Lns>
like i said normal terminal (no localapps) is fine on it
16:18
<vagrantc>
considering iceweasel alone uses 64-128MB ...
16:18
<Lns>
yeah
16:18
and like i said before, epiphany is awesome..but flash kills it anyway.
16:18
<vagrantc>
Lns: you use nbd swap?
16:18
<Lns>
vagrantc: yeah
16:19
<alkisg>
Erm, running a web browser locally with 64mb is science fiction...
16:19
Except for w3m or dillo :P
16:19
<vagrantc>
alkisg: or merely history :P
16:19
<Lns>
these things DO have a hard disk in them so i was thinking about partitioning it with a swap partition, but i'd have to take each one out and put it in a different system because it doesn't like my usb cdrom
16:20
i know, i know..
16:20
<vagrantc>
alkisg: not the future, but the past :)
16:20
<alkisg>
Lns, you can run gparted as a localapp to make a swap partition
16:20
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/GParted
16:20
<vagrantc>
Lns: why not run the partitioning from ltsp?
16:20
<Lns>
oooo
16:20
didn't think of that =)
16:20
<alkisg>
But it won't help much
16:20
<Lns>
but still, with only 64mb ram...do you think it'd be worth trying?
16:20
heh
16:20
<alkisg>
Nope
16:21
<vagrantc>
don't forget, LTSP can solve all your problems.
16:21
<alkisg>
I've been trying with a 64mb lab the last few days, and with 512Mb local swap partitions
16:21
<vagrantc>
if you have the right problems.
16:21
<johnny>
if a cell phone comes with more ram .. then why bother :)
16:21
<alkisg>
No difference from NBD_SWAP, maybe even slower
16:21
<johnny>
freakin cellphones come with more ram..
16:21
<Lns>
vagrantc: ;) i'm thinking of hitting up the local computer recycler to see about getting more memory
16:21* vagrantc waits patiently for the rant
16:22* johnny tugs on vagrantc 's beard
16:22
<vagrantc>
Lns: not a bag idea
16:23
<alkisg>
Well unless you get 512 you won't get better performance than running the web browser off of the server
16:23
<vagrantc>
nor a bad idea either
16:23
<Lns>
but these things are so old, i wonder how much they could even take, or if high density ram would work (probably not)
16:23
<vagrantc>
Lns: what specs?
16:23
<PMantis>
abeehc, vagrantc, thanks for your replies... I asked and walked away. :) I'll try the lts.conf options.
16:24
<Lns>
vagrantc: Celery 700MHz, 64mb ram
16:25
<vagrantc>
Lns: i've got a big stash of 256MB sticks of pc-100 and/or pc-133 sdram ... might work.
16:25
<Lns>
vagrantc: hmmm
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<Lns>
i wonder... you think a celeron 700 could handle iceweasel+flash even with 256mb?
16:26
<alkisg>
Nope
16:26
<vagrantc>
they can only take 1 stick?
16:27
<Lns>
vagrantc: i haven't cracked the case on these things in 3 years but i think probably yeah, 1 slot
16:27
<ovi>
hey question
16:27
<Lns>
alkisg: wonder about epiphany and flash...ARGH i hate flash!
16:27
*hate* it
16:28* PMantis notices SHUTDOWN_TIME as an lts.conf option.
16:28
<vagrantc>
has anyone tried setting up an http proxy that strips out the flash and just dumps the movie file?
16:28
<ovi>
i need to remove image created by fedora for ltsp server
16:28
<Lns>
vagrantc: i use keepvid.com a lot
16:28
<PMantis>
Anyone know if SHUTDOWN_TIME will power off a thin client WHILE a user is still logged in?
16:28
<alkisg>
Lns, I got a 700Mhz / 128 MB lab. They had disks so I also put knoppix on them. Firefox works 10 times faster in ltsp than locally. Flash in youtube shows about 1-2 fps locally, 10 with ltsp.
16:29
<PMantis>
Wow
16:29
<atkuepker>
alkisg, any specific brand/model? Sounds much like our Compaq Deskpro EN
16:30
<Lns>
alkisg: heh..
16:30
<alkisg>
atkuepker: no, just 10 year old pcs
16:30
<Lns>
i think maybe we should all donate time/money to the gnash project.
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<alkisg>
vagrantc: there's a greasemonkey script that replaces flash with the totem plugin...
16:30
<johnny>
or that new one
16:30
<alkisg>
!flash
16:30
<ltspbot>
alkisg: "flash" :: Yes, flash sucks. Make sure you have LDM_DIRECTX=True in your lts.conf file, or if it's just youtube you're after, try the HQtube plugin. Install greasemonkey for firefox, and see http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/24999
16:30
<johnny>
that new flash player project
16:30
lgithspark or something
16:30
lightspark
16:30
i can't remember exactly what it was called
16:31
there's also a flash implementation on top of the video tag in js now
16:31
<Lns>
you guys heard about the flash->javascript hack that guy did?
16:31
<johnny>
i think it's on top of the video tag..
16:31
<Lns>
ah yea
16:31
<ovi>
removing the image fedora created o harddrive anybody ?
16:31
<johnny>
ovi, try searching for it?
16:31
<Lns>
ovi: image meaning what?
16:31
<johnny>
nobody really uses fedora ltsp here
16:32
<Lns>
nbd chroot image?
16:32
<johnny>
fedora ltsp is essentially maintainerless now nw
16:32
ovi, try looking in /opt/ltsp
16:32
and /opt/ltsp/images
16:33
<Lns>
alkisg: tell me about greasemonkey
16:33
<atkuepker>
johnny, no kidding. We were a Fedora shop until last autumn. GUI integration was horrid for our users.
16:33
<alkisg>
Lns, see the link in the !flash above
16:33
<Lns>
i did
16:33
how does that work into flash?
16:33
<alkisg>
Ah, and?
16:34
<johnny>
atkuepker, huh? GUI integration..
16:34
<alkisg>
It replaces the flash tag with a video tag
16:34
<johnny>
that probably doesn't relate to much about fedora atall
16:34
<alkisg>
Lns, it only works for youtube though.
16:34
<johnny>
not sure what you mean
16:34
<Lns>
ah
16:34
<atkuepker>
basics like links from Thunderbird not opening Fedora or OO.org docs not calling OpenOffice properly.
16:34
<Lns>
yeah my prob isn't just yt, there are so many flash educational sites out there that do fancy animations and whatever
16:34
<johnny>
atkuepker, was it related to ltsp in any way shape or form? or just fedora issues?
16:35
i use fedora 13, no problems here
16:35
but without ltsp (since it's my laptop)
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<atkuepker>
It was Fedora stuff, sure, but getting it all working was a real headache for my predecessors.
16:37
I ended up chucking it all out last winter and rolling Ubuntu out. Tough to argue with "just works" right out of the box.
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<ovi>
johnnny the thing is ia cant remove the dir in opt\ltsp
16:54
fuking keybord
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<johnny>
why not?
16:57
you're not being very helpful :)
16:59
<ovi>
well i cant select delete directory
17:00
It tried rm -R opt\ltsp\i386
17:00
and the dir and files are still there
17:00
<atkuepker>
are root?
17:00
<ovi>
yep
17:00
root from terminal
17:00
<atkuepker>
and what's the error?
17:00
<ovi>
none
17:00
there are still there
17:01
the dir and the files
17:01
<atkuepker>
if it's not in production mode, I'd flip it over into single user and remove it.
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<ovi>
well that is an option but i just need to rebuild the client whith the new repositories since fedora basics are missing a lot of the packeges need on install
17:03
the parodox
17:05
<Lns>
ovi: wrong slash... use / not \ ;)
17:05
<ovi>
yeah basic mismatch
17:06
but that is not issue , it is that is not working
17:06
<Lns>
ovi: can you rename the dir?
17:07
<ovi>
will try
17:07
what is the command for renameing on linux
17:07
<atkuepker>
mv
17:07
same one that moves it elsewhere
17:14
<ovi>
nope
17:15
thanks any way guys
17:15
<alkisg>
"Next week upon the release of Firefox 3.6.4, this new version will be pushed back into the Lucid, Karmic, Jaunty, Hardy releases of Ubuntu to replace their existing versions, which in the case of the older releases are Firefox 3.0" ==> woah nice :)
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<Lns>
wow that's crazy
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<atkuepker>
They're backporting a new Firefox into an LTS release?
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<sean74>
hi there
21:50
good morning
21:51
i need some guide on the dhcp3-server
21:51
previously, i am running the dhcp3-server for multi vlans in ubuntu 9.10 working fine
21:52
but once i switch to 10.04, it seems that the dhcp3-server started before the vlans were up
21:52
i am using ubuntu server version
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