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Channel log from 11 June 2008   (all times are UTC)

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<joebaker>
This is so odd. What is causing the Kubuntu login screen to appear on the thin client? I think I can recall where the display manager is specified.
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<Stax>
im fair clueless with this crap... but maybe the kubuntu stuff is in the ltsp image?
00:34
:S
00:34
<lns-eee>
Stax, do you mean using KDE with ltsp?
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<Stax>
<joebaker> This is so odd. What is causing the Kubuntu login screen to appear on the thin client? I think I can recall where the display manager is specified.
00:39
<lns-eee>
Stax, i'm not sure your situation or expertise so excuse me if i'm giving you non-information - with ltsp5, display manager 'ldm' is the default. You can theme it so for kubuntu there might be a kde-based theme for ldm.
00:40
Not sure though, never used kubuntu (just ubuntu+ltsp5)
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<Stax>
not my problem
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joebakers
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<Briareos1>
how can i (graphically) connect to the ltsp server from a running machine?
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<sep>
Briareos1, depends on how you define graphically, i would use SSH -X user@remotemachine
01:25
you might think of things like vnc
01:25
<Briareos1>
just so i can see the screen exactly as the other clients do - but within a window - not within the whole machine, sep
01:26
<sep>
in that case i might try xnest
01:27
<Briareos1>
so with ssh -X its basically that i can at least open up all the programs - but not the desktop. is that correct?
01:27
<sep>
yeah
01:27
but you can run xnest thru the ssh -X
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<Briareos1>
well that's cool as well - i need to only do some configuration like in evolution or so; still i will have a look at xnest for future purpose (maybe it's faster?)
01:28
cheers!
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<johnny>
xnest is not as fast as xephyr
01:43
from my understanding
01:44
xephyr supports the xdamage extension, which makes repaints alot faster
01:44
or rather.. you need less repaints
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<rjune>
I thought # of repaints was the same, you justhad to repaint only what changed
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<johnny>
yes
01:46* johnny perhaps shouldn't stay up this late tonight
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<Briareos1>
is it also possible to invoke a whole xclient from an xterm?
01:47
i mean if i go to a clean shell by CTRL+F2 and do the ssh -X ... there
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<sep>
but i never rember nor can spell xephyr, xnest is easy !
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<Briareos1>
:)
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<sep>
Briareos1, no.. since you are not in X then
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just in a console
01:48
but you can start a new X on the next availabel tty (8?) and run it fullscreen there
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<sep>
eg you acn try something like X :1 -query <remote_host> and it should in theory go to vt8
01:53
this uses XDMCP tho not ldm and ssh X '
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<Briareos1>
sep hmm and how can i get a login screen to appear there?
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<Briareos1>
sorry - something killed my computer (maybe switching the X'ses)
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<DawnLight>
i don't understand what version of ltsp is in etch
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<ogra>
a very old one
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<DawnLight>
of that i'm sure but which one, exactly? what docs should i read?
04:20
<ogra>
!debian
04:20
<ltspbot`>
ogra: "debian" is is a GNU/Linux based operating system that makes an excellent LTSP server. You can find it at http://www.debian.org. for information about LTSP on debian see http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP
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<ogra>
see the latter link
04:20
or if you want it easier ...
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!ubuntu
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<ltspbot`>
ogra: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
04:20
<ogra>
see the latter link :)
04:21
<DawnLight>
i don't ubuntu. thanks
04:21
<ogra>
well, its where ltsp5 comes from ....
04:22
but debian does a good job porting it, you just have to live with testing/unstable or backports there
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<DawnLight>
there are no backports
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<ogra>
(if lenny comes out in time, debian might actually be ahead with ltsp5 versioning this time though)
04:23
they re described on the wikipage
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*are
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<DawnLight>
"LTSP-5 is available in Debian Etch. If you want an easy installation, you should use the Debian packages to install LTSP."
04:24
this is from http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/DownLoads#Ltsp_5_on_Debian
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<ogra>
read the howto ...
04:24
i wasnt aware vagrant put subpages in place (i dont read the debian wiki usually)
04:25
at the bottom it has a backports section
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<alkisg>
ogra, I'm going to modify ipconfig so that it prefers answers from ltsp servers (in DHCP SELECT phase), to make it easier to have multiple dhcp servers (now it falls to busybox if the "wrong" server answers first). Any ideas on how to check that the dhcp offer comes from an ltsp server? (in case it goes upstream or if anyone else finds my mod useful). I was thinking either to prefer a dhcp offer with a filename field, or use a custom dhcp option in d
04:33
<ogra>
alkisg, if we had found a way yet we would have implemented it :) the way to use a second DHCP server (at least in ubuntu, not sure that got inot other distros yet) is to use a different port
04:33
<alkisg>
ogra, different dhcp servers can coexist, and it would be easy for ipconfig to select one of them. A select phase is defined on the dhcp protocol.
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<ogra>
i'll happily merge it if you send me any patch/branch url that fixes that :)
04:34
<alkisg>
I'll make it, I'm just asking for your opinion on what would be the best route for this
04:34
<ogra>
currently the problem is that who andswers first will get the hit ...
04:34
*answers
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<alkisg>
I'll implement a wait in the selection phase, to receive more answers if the first is not "good enough"
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<ogra>
and usually the non netbooting dhcpd is less busy so you likely get the wrong one
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<alkisg>
E.g. by preferring the dhcp offers that have a filename option set, no changes in dhcpd.conf would need to be made, but the "other" server may also provide a filename
04:35
<ogra>
make sure to not slow down the bootprocess though ... at least not by more than 1.2 secs
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*1-2
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<alkisg>
No, some msec would be enough
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<ogra>
good
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<alkisg>
By using a magic number, we would be sure that we get the answer from the ltsp server, but dhcpd.conf would need to be modified.
04:36
Which of these 2 you think is best?
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<ogra>
i mean in the default setup with a single dhcpd indeed ... if it takes longer with corner case setups i cant help it :)
04:36
<alkisg>
The default setup will have no delay
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<ogra>
modifying dhcpd.conf is bad
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<alkisg>
If it gets the "correct" answer first, it won't have to wait for another answer
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<ogra>
at least in ubuntu and debian its a conffile
04:37
so its hard to do automatically
04:37
if its avoidable to touch dhcpd.conf, please try to do so
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<alkisg>
So I modify ipconfig to wait a little in case it receives a filename option. If it receives it first, it doesn't wait at all.
04:38
a little = some msec, I'll look at the specs.
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<ogra>
let it be a second
04:39
i just dont want to get back to 2 minute boot times :)
04:39
<alkisg>
No, it won't loop, just extend the select phase
04:39
Because now as soon as it gets any offer, it accepts it without waiting for a second one.
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<ogra>
right
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<alkisg>
OK. Thanks, I'll post in klibc list and here when I have it ready.
04:40
<ogra>
cool !
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<alkisg>
Oh, we'll need to modify ltsp_nbd
04:40
e.g. ipconfig -f
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<ogra>
no problem on that
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<alkisg>
ok
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<DawnLight>
what would be a viable way to get sound working in debian ltsp in kde? the Sound wiki page makes me dizzy
05:34
<ogra>
select arts over esd in kcontrol
05:34
there is a setting for that afaik
05:35
if you use the backports the low level sound stuff will already be in place and work, nothing to do there
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<DawnLight>
that might be useful
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<ogra>
(note that we dont use esd, but since kde 3 isnt maintained anymore nobody bothered to update that naming :) )
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<ace_suares>
y
05:54
hi ogra
05:54
wassup dude :-)
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<ogra>
busy times :)
05:55
<ace_suares>
hmmm is 8.10 approaching already :-)
05:55
Hey ogra, I run now a virtual machine inside hardy 64-bit
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and in the VM i have damn smaal linux runnding the win4lin stuff
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<ogra>
well, hardy isnt done yet ... busy with 8.04.1
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<ace_suares>
but how would I go about synchronizing the users on the vm with the host ?
05:56
i was thinking of ldap
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<ogra>
that a possibility
05:56
rsync teh respective files would be another
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<ace_suares>
are you or your people working on anything like a central userbase for ltsp hosts !?
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<ogra>
no
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<ace_suares>
is that planned or tought of in any way ?
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<ogra>
well, the implementations we spec usually avoid that kind of stuff to use the standard things used on the server
05:57
no
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<ace_suares>
kay thanks for the heads up.
05:58
i think syncing the files (but not all users hah)
05:58
would be a q&d hack that could get it all working
05:58
maybe I go with that for now
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<ogra>
ltsp should not depend on any additional user maintenance tool, it should always just use whatever you set up on the server
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<ace_suares>
not enough time and experience to make a whole ldap interface I am afraid.
05:59
yeah thats a good tought :-) but does schooltool not have mnore advanced usermgmt ?
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<ogra>
i.e. our localdev implementation will get its user info without depending on an ldap client in the chroot
05:59
etc etc
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<ace_suares>
I really miss a easy tool to put pupils in classes and move them to antoehr class next year and stuff like tht
05:59
<ogra>
trying to keep the codebase as small and easy to grasp as possible
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<ace_suares>
hmmm didn't even think about that...
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<ogra>
in edubuntu i'll work on a new task driven menu system that i plan to integrate with a scheduling system later
06:00
that could be such a setup as you want at some point
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<ace_suares>
so I need to do something to the chroot to make ldap work for localdev ? :-?
06:01
you prolly will be finished earlier then I am :-)
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<ogra>
err. sorry, my typo
06:01
s/localdev/localapps/
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<ace_suares>
I got the holidays about 3 weeks but noit full time for this
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<ogra>
to much local stuff around nowadays
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<ace_suares>
oh yeah
06:01
too much to know and to learn too
06:02
for old people :-) like me.
06:02
thx catch you later ogra. Good luck with 8.04.1 :)
06:02
<ogra>
thanks :)
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<DawnLight>
how can i make a script run on boot time in a specific client?
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<Stax>
^ do want to know
06:07
use mac to load different
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maybe
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<DawnLight>
this client has an acpi bug of some sort that turns off the cpu fan and i fix this using the proc filesystem
06:08* DawnLight doesn't want his apartment burnt away
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<ogra>
use the RCFILE_nn (where nn is 01 up to 09) lts.conf parameter to point to a script inside the chroot
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<DawnLight>
thanks
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<ogra>
note that paths are relative to the chroot
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i.e. /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/bin/myscript must become RCFILE_01=/usr/bin/myscript
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<DawnLight>
ogra: is there a recommended place?
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<ogra>
no, up to you, just make sure the path is right
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<DawnLight>
aight
06:12
or else it is barbecue
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<ogra>
since we dont use lts.conf in ltsp5 by default its all up to you there as soon as you use that file :)
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<alkisg>
ogra, is LDM_REMOTECMD still available? http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/edubuntu/handbook/C/customizing-thin-client.html
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<ogra>
i think it was renamed to LDM_SESSION
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<alkisg>
thanks, i'll try it
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<ace_suares>
ogra
06:43
ogra: me again
06:43
ogra: could you recommend anyone from the ubuntu community to come and speak on a seminar 17/18 setp 2008 in Curacao !?
06:43
ogra: preferably a gifted speaker :-)
06:43
<ogra>
heh
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<ogra>
i'll forward that to one of the community managers, lets see
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<ace_suares>
ogra: okay please use ace@suares.an as my address
06:44
<ogra>
will do
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<ace_suares>
ogra: it owuld be very interesting if this person had a 3+ yrs running education project
06:45
pgra: with ltsp and edubuntu and stuff. But a generalist can be good too :-)
06:45
thanks
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<daduke>
ace_suares: my man!
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<Guaraldo>
Hi, all...
07:20
Does anyone has used a terminal printer on kiosk mode of LTSP5?
07:21
I've tried the same way of normal LTSP5 and it didn't work...
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<DawnLight>
at one client's boot, i read, right after "DEFAULT DEPTH: 16", "0 value set" and then "0 true" and then it repeats a few times. this takes some 10 seconds. what is this?
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<ogra>
thats getltscfg parsing lts.conf
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<jammcq>
g'morning friends
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<ogra>
jammcq, hey
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<jammcq>
hey ogra
07:26
you still coming to portland?
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<Guaraldo>
Hi, jammcq...
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<jammcq>
bom dia Guaraldo
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<cyberorg>
hi all we are having our weekly LTSP GUI Google SOC meeting in #opensuse-soc if anyone is interested, please join
07:28
<ogra>
jammcq, lets see i have some issues with my passport now that your country requires me to register before entering it i have to solve these first
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<Guaraldo>
jammcq: Did you ever used a terminal printer on kiosk mode of LTSP5?
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<jammcq>
ogra: that's easy tho. just a website you need to go to
07:28
Guaraldo: nope
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<ogra>
jammcq, yes, but my adress doesnt match the one in my passport i need an update
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<jammcq>
oooh
07:29
our passports don't have our addresses
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<stgraber>
ogra: ?? one more security thing with the US ? :)
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<ogra>
stgraber, yeah, lucky you that you only have to deal with canada
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<stgraber>
ours either (swiss)
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<ogra>
at least short term :)
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<jammcq>
ogra: that registration thing is just to avoid filling out the paper form when you are on the airplane
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<stgraber>
ogra: well, I need to deal with the Canada ambassy when we don't have one in Switzerland so not that much better actually :)
07:30
ogra: I have to choose between the one in Berlin and the one in Paris, both case it's lot of travel if they require an interview ...
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<ogra>
jammcq, oh, i didnt know, i thought they chack the data actually .... they should know by now that i'm not up for terror activities after i checked no several times on tehir forms :)
07:30
*check
07:31
stgraber, well, you want to settle there ... i only want to go there for some days :)
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<jammcq>
ogra: well, it's my understanding that's the reason. behind the scenes, ethere's probably other political/security crap going on
07:31
<stgraber>
ogra: right :)
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<DawnLight>
did i do something wrong there? hmm... http://pastebin.ca/1044782
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<ogra>
DawnLight, [ltsp-simcha] will only work if you have nameservers set up and the resolver is set in the chroot etc etc ... use the MAC of the client rather than a name
07:33
SERVER defaults to the bootserver anyway, if you dont have a different one, drop it
07:33
are you sure you need X_HORZSYNC and X_VERTREFRESH ? the X autodetection should determine that for you
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<DawnLight>
ogra: it gives me 60HZ by default
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<ogra>
X_COLOR_DEPTH defaults to 16 in the current packages, so that and the RCFILE_01 seem like the ony actual needed values
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ah, k then the values make sense indeed
07:35
looks good apart from the MAC issue
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(and SERVER)
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<DawnLight>
i've got the mac wrong, silly me. i have the mac with an ip in /etc/ethers in the server and the ip with the host name in /etc/hosts. it should work
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<DawnLight>
/etc/resolv.conf in the clients is 192.168.0.138 and not 192.168.0.1 like in the lts.conf. why is that?
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<ogra>
it gets the data from dhcp
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<DawnLight>
ogra: the line in dnsmasq, the dhcp server is "dhcp-option=6,192.168.0.1". it means that the dhcp clients should get this address as the dns server. wud is wrong?
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<ogra>
no idea, i never used dnsmasq myself :) in dhcp3 i use option domain-name-servers which gets handed over properly
07:52
btw there is no DNS option for lts.conf
07:52
which one are you referring to ?
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<Guaraldo>
ogra: How does terminal printers works on kiosk mode of LTSP5?
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<DawnLight>
ogra: i just guessed that it would be determined from the SERVER option. anyway, is there a way to check the data received from a dhcp server?
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<stgraber>
ogra: btw, those Transmetta based thin clients we had at our ReleaseParty worked perfectly with LTSP (Fujitsu thin clients IIRC)
08:00
http://www.stgraber.org/download/ltsp-zurich.png
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<ByPasS>
i just installed ubuntu 8.04 from wiki it says to set a nic with fixed ip for the thinclients BUT I have 3 nic cards (2 uplink - 1 for ltsp thin clients) anything special needs to be done in this case ?
08:47
and both uplinks are on fixed ips aswell :X
08:48
i gues i simply set it to the 192.168.0.1 for install and then change it over
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<DawnLight>
how does the client's /etc/resolv.conf get set?
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<laga>
DawnLight: on ubuntu? i dont think it gets set..
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<ogra>
ByPasS, if yu use the CD insall it will offer you a chooser for the two remaining cards that are not used as outbound device during install, just pick the right one
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<Guaraldo>
Does anyone know about kiosk mode of LTSP5???
09:02
I have a situation here about terminal printer on this issue...
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<ogra>
Guaraldo, ubuntu ?
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<Guaraldo>
8.04
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<ogra>
well, you might need to install cups locally for that
09:05
you can also try to just loopback connect to the jetdirect port for the printer though
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i.e. in the printer setup select a jetdirect interface and use localhost:9100 as the endpoint
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<ByPasS>
ogra : ive set the eth2 to 192.168.0.1 building the client atm and will switch after should work
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<ogra>
ByPasS, ah, so you did intsll ltsp after having a running sytem
09:07
with that IP set in advance it should all work fine that
09:07
*then
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<ByPasS>
i had a couple of errors when i did apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone tho
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<ogra>
oh ?
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<ByPasS>
nbd-server said it had nothing to do lol
09:09
<ogra>
tell me about them
09:09
<ByPasS>
but i guess thats not a big deal
09:09
<ogra>
ah, thats fine
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<ByPasS>
and it didnt restarted inetd saying there was no service
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<ogra>
we dont use it as standalone service so it moans about not having a config file
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<ByPasS>
kk
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<ByPasS>
ogra : doesnt tftp needs to be set as a service tho ? fresh install and client cant tftp in
09:20
<ogra>
should be run by inetd
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<ByPasS>
i think i found that by default
09:20
it was set to not run as a service
09:22
<toscalix>
hi all, Ijust sent an e-mail to the disscuss mailing list with an idea we have related with massive extraction of information from PC using ltsp
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<ByPasS>
ogra : cat tftpd-hpa
09:22
#Defaults for tftpd-hpa
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RUN_DAEMON="no"
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OPTIONS="-l -s /var/lib/tftpboot"
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root@linux:/etc/default#
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<toscalix>
we are thinking about using ltsp for doing this
09:23
and I would like to listen your suggestions
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<ogra>
ByPasS, thats the right setup
09:24
it should be in inetd.conf
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<DawnLight>
how ByPasS you might need to restart the inetd
09:24
s/how//
09:24
<ByPasS>
thats what im thinking since the 3 lines got added to inetd
09:24
but during apt-get install it refused to start it saying there was no service or whatever
09:24
sec trying that
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<DawnLight>
how do i specify the grp:alt_shift_toggle thing?
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<cliebow>
jammcq:zup??
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<cliebow>
anyone have update-rc.d cmd for dhcp3-server.
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<sutula>
vagrantc: I had serial mice working under Etch...upgraded to Lenny last night and somehow lost that functionality
11:54
vagrantc: I know I need to install joystick (and did so), but am not sure how that fits in, or even if it's still necessary on Lenny
11:57* sutula wonders whether it's a simple as the Lenny kernel renumbering the ttySx devices
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<cdealer>
hey
12:29
need help to make pen-drive to work on client stations ... ltsp5 on ubuntu 7.10
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<empiric>
hi all i have boot my thin client i have a local hard disk attached to it how i can access tat disk from thin client
12:38
any idea
12:38
usb and cdrom works good with lts.conf entry LOCAL_DEVICE_01 = /dev/sdb1 for USB
12:39
what i do for local disk
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<cdealer>
well ... I took off the env['DISPLAY']='localhost :10.' from ltspfsmounter .. now Im updating image
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<cdealer>
solved X]
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<empiric>
helo
12:58
guys?
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<yogesh>
hi
13:12
does anyone can help me with K12LTSP
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<laga>
maybe. try asking a question
13:13
<yogesh>
do u have idea about ntlm authentication or proxy authenticatio
13:14
<empiric>
laga hi all i have boot my thin client i have a local hard disk attached to it how i can access tat disk from
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<yogesh>
my problem is i need to authenticate thin client user and i have to ways to do it either ntlm or proxy
13:15
and i havent been able to integrate both
13:16
does anyone have idea about proxy authentication in client
13:17
hey hello
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<empiric>
hey any one works on ltsp load balancing
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<yogesh>
anyone there
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<laga>
yogesh: patience is a virtue :)
13:32
also, your problem probably isn't exactly LTSP specific i guess
13:32
<yogesh>
yep was just confused if everything is fine with irs or not
13:33
i am working on k12ltsp and need to have some authentication on the client
13:34
presently we have ntlm and proxy authentication so i was searching for a way to integrate them
13:35
laga : i hope i made clear what i am stuck at
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<laga>
i never used stuff like that so i can't help you. maybe someone else can. i don't why it should be different from a normal linux setup
13:35
yogesh: no, not to me at least.
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<yogesh>
ok i will try to explain in more detail, in case of LTSP, if the server has access to internet all the clients also have access to internet. But my problem is i have to give access to only authorized person on the client to access net. so need some authentication system. At present we use non ltsp system which uses ntlm and proxy authentication
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laga : i hope u got it
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<laga>
yogesh: ah. that's not really specific to LTSP. in case of LTSP, all apps are running on the server so you just need to come up with a solution that works on the server and you should be good.
13:42
<yogesh>
yeah but it is related to LTSP
13:43
ok my other problem is in need to stop unnecessary services running for client. like i dont need gdm and only need to load firfox
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<laga>
i didn't know gdm loaded on the clients..
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<yogesh>
even i am not sure but it shld run something to load all those menus and gnome environment
13:46
<vagrantc>
yes, but that typically runs on the server
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<laga>
it's probably running LDM, but i'm not familiar with k12ltsp
13:46
<vagrantc>
k12ltsp is ltsp 4.x
13:47
so not ldm
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<yogesh>
do u have idea how to stop tht
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<vagrantc>
with k12ltsp, you're going to need to log in somehow ...
13:47
so stopping your login manager doesn't seem like a good idea.
13:48
<cliebow>
yogesh:wouldnt it be easier to log into squid?
13:49
unless you have like a trillion users..
13:49
<yogesh>
log in directly into squid??
13:49
<cliebow>
i think squid authentication keeps users without pw from accessing net..
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<yogesh>
yeah thts ok, but since the server has authenticated all the client are not asked for password
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<vagrantc>
you can't authenticate by ip.
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<yogesh>
so one log in will be enough for all the client under a server
13:51
<cliebow>
uhh..not sure..you might ping dtrask..i think hee does this
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<yogesh>
yeah squid server will be receiving the ip of the server all the time, since server is the getway
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and never get the client ip
13:52
i hope ur getting me
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<vagrantc>
yogesh: i think we totally get you. the issue is that the server has a single ip address, and you need to configure squid to authenticate based on something other than ip address.
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<yogesh>
even the mac authentication is not fisible
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<laga>
user agent?
13:55
<yogesh>
coz its like cyber type environment so user keep changing and machines r fixed
13:55
have to authenticate user
13:57
i searched the net and couldnt find anything related to it
13:58
hope u all r getting me
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<sutula>
vagrantc: (from earlier) I had serial mice working under Etch...upgraded to Lenny last night and somehow lost that functionality
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vagrantc: Is the joystick stuff still necessary in Lenny (the manual install)?
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<laga>
yogesh: maybe you can modify the user agent for each PC (assuming each PC has its own user)
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<yogesh>
laga: how is tht done
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<laga>
somewhere in firefox i guess ;)
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but i dont know if squid can use that for auth
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<yogesh>
laga: do u mean there is some user agent in fire fox
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<laga>
yes
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<yogesh>
laga: how to access tht user agent
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<laga>
yogesh: the user agent is just a string used to identify the browser. it's not related to authentication or user management
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<yogesh>
oh
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<vagrantc>
sutula: there was a bug report filed earlier today about that.
14:28
sutula: yes, joystick is needed to use serial support
14:29
<cdealer>
hey ... how do I remove the pcspkr beep on clients?
14:29
<sutula>
vagrantc: In the client chroot?
14:29
<vagrantc>
sutula: yes.
14:29
<elisboa>
cdealer: you can unload it's module
14:29* sutula puzzles...
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<vagrantc>
sutula: in etch, it was installed pseudo-manually.
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<sutula>
vagrantc: I updated (recreated) the chroot a number of times, without installing joystick, and it continued to work, previously
14:30
<cliebow>
any consensus what terminals to use if i can convince the school to get 40 terminals?
14:30
<cdealer>
elisboa, I did rmmod pcspkr on server and put it on /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist too but still beeps
14:31
<elisboa>
so, I don't know what cant it be :(
14:31
<vagrantc>
sutula: itais is the one who filed the bug report ... i haven't confirmed it myself.
14:31
<sutula>
vagrantc: I'll take a look and maybe can help with it, since I need to get this working ASAP...maybe tonight
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<vagrantc>
sutula: should just amount to installing joystick in the chroot.
14:32
sutula: and setting X_MOUSE_DEVICE *and* X_MOUSE_PROTO ... not sure on the exact variable names ...
14:32
the protocol must match the ones used by inputattach
14:32
<sutula>
vagrantc: I'll start there, and also look at the bug...maybe I can help check it out
14:33
vagrantc: It isn't RC, is it? :)
14:33
<vagrantc>
sutula: definitely not RC.
14:33* sutula needs to fix a RC bug
14:33
<sutula>
:)
14:33
<vagrantc>
since serial mice users != all mouse users
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<warren>
cdealer: on fedora I have to use "install pcspkr /bin/true" to truly blacklist it. Not sure why.
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<cdealer>
warren, this returns me "impossible to make stat in 'pcspkr': File or Folder does not exist
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<warren>
cdealer: (that goes into the modprobe.d file)
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<cdealer>
warren, Hmm =) thanks
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<warren>
I'm not sure why a blacklist line doens't work
14:46
<cdealer>
warren, I made what you told, tomorrow I can tell if it works
14:47
<warren>
don't blame me if it doesn't help
14:47
it works on Fedora
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<ogra>
it wont in ubuntu, unless you also remove it from the initramfs
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<warren>
oh
14:53
<ogra>
sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 update-initramfs -u && sudo ltsp-update-kernels
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that should propagate the changes into your initramfs
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<cdealer>
ogra, thanks, will do it now.. I can stay with "install pcspkr /bin/true" before running that command ?
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<ogra>
in ubuntu you usually put in a line like: blacklist pcspkr
14:59
like the other lines in that file
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<sutula>
vagrantc: Another question...does Lenny currently use the update-image stuff? I didn't see it build the image during ltsp-build-client, but see it in /usr/sbin.
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<vagrantc>
sutula: not by default. there's a commandline option for it... --squashfs-image i think
15:00
sutula: or you can do it all manually
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<sutula>
vagrantc: So it's unnecessary at this point?
15:01
<vagrantc>
sutula: well, necessary if you want those features
15:01
<sutula>
s/unnecessary/unused by default/
15:02
<vagrantc>
sutula: yes, unused by default on debian
15:02
<sutula>
vagrantc: thanks much
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<nylt>
Hi - I'm going to have a number of computers that I want to turn in to LTSP clients. However, I don't know what network cards they use, and i won't be able to find out. Is it possible to make a boot CD for the clients that can boot any nic?
20:02
<johnny>
if they can pxe boot.. it'll just work
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<nylt>
i'm pretty sure they cant
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<johnny>
if they can't.. i think there is such a thing.. but i don't know of it
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specifically
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<RiXtEr1>
nylt: there is a way...
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if you can wait a moment i will try to help
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gotta get the kiddo to bed
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nylt: still around?
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<RiXtEr1>
nylt: http://rom-o-matic.net/
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<nylt>
RiXtEr1: ah - let me look at that
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<rjune>
RiXtEr1: sup
20:21
<RiXtEr1>
my ailias rixter1?
20:21
rjune: how goes it
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<rjune>
sleepy
20:21
hopefully have my car fixed soon though
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<RiXtEr>
rjune: internet booted me sorry
20:29
did you get my messages about lumen
20:29
<rjune>
no
20:29
what's up with lumen?
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<RiXtEr>
Our school moved over to lumen websis
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<rjune>
ah, how do you like it?
20:30
<RiXtEr>
I've been talking to mike and bill on the phone some
20:31
So far so good, looks to have a bunch of potential when we get our stuff setup right.
20:32
Bill mentioned that he worked with you alot a while back.
20:35
I was wondering what I missed since its been a while since I've messed with LTSP, I set it up on my ubuntu box here (lts 8.04) and when I boot a client it only boots to a shell.
20:35
any way to get X up and running?
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<rjune>
install ubuntu-desktop
20:36
yeah, I worked for lumen for a while
20:36
they got out of LTSP
20:36
<RiXtEr>
yeah
20:37
rjune: apt-get install ubuntu-desktop? or is there an ltsp specific command for it?
20:37
<rjune>
Iif you're using ubuntu, then apt-get install ubuntu-desktop should do it
20:38
<RiXtEr>
ubuntu desktop is already the newest version.
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<rjune>
then you should have X installed and running
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<RiXtEr>
its not booting up with the client machines.
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<RiXtEr>
n e 1
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<tempb0y>
hi all
21:05
any of you install ltsp on dell poweredge servers?
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i've got a 1950 i'm thinking about installing it on using ubuntu
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quick install
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<RiXtEr>
so anyone around?
22:17
I keep getting 'Error: Connect: Connection refused' on my client then a list of mount errors and dropped to a shell, anyone able to help?
22:18
point me to a link? anything?
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<johnny>
RiXtEr, this is just really late for most folks
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<RiXtEr>
Yeah I know :)
22:43
I am rerunning the ltsp-build-client command
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<johnny>
connection refused. that's just too generic..
22:44
connection refused to what..
22:44
nbd?
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make sure you have some nbd stuff in /etc/inetd.conf ..
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<RiXtEr>
I'd imagine
22:44
<johnny>
that is.. if you're using ubuntu..
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<RiXtEr>
yeah I have stuff in there
22:45
relating to ltsp
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I found a post that suggested doing this, We'll see what turns up/
22:46
.
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<RiXtEr>
I'd be willing to bet that my internet is pulling down corrupt files
22:48
I think I will call it a night and try again tomorrow night.
22:48
johnny: thanks for the suggestions
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<generic>
hi all
23:37
i am trying to enable sound on my thin clients
23:37
it give me xine can not detect audio-drivres
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though when i boot from local disk sound is ok
23:37
?
23:43
<johnny>
does xine even work with pulse audio?
23:43
<Q-FUNK>
probably not
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<generic>
jhony i have no idea
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how i enable it on thin clients
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in lts.conf i have
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LOCALDEV = Y