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Channel log from 9 May 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<krinns>
hi all
00:38
i have novel linux desktop with sp3
00:38
i need to have usb on ltsp4.2
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any idea?
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<Mineque>
hello
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<jammcq>
g'morning all
02:55
moquist: ping
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<highvoltage>
morning jammcq and moquist
03:48
<ogra>
vagrantc, http://www.bernardbelanger.com/computing/NaDa/
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<Nikopoika>
need to know something, can i use "esound" to stream sounds to thin clients? atm all sounds comes from the server...
04:29
i've heard this is a common problems and it needs some sort of a 1337 h4x0r to get sounds working in thin clients...
04:31
but is there a "easy-way-around" to get sounds from the thin clients..?
04:31
<jammcq>
if you use LTSP-5 on Ubuntu 7.04, it should just work
04:32
<Nikopoika>
well... i'm using ltsp-4.2 on mandriva 2007...
04:32
<jammcq>
umm, you *should* be able to get it working, but i'm not the sound guru
04:33
if you check with some of the others, in the US a bit later today, you might get an answer
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<federicoco>
hi all... any idea of audio on ltsp client?
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<moquist>
jammcq: pong
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<moquist>
jammcq: I've pinged agriffis to see if he's republished his configs recently. I'll let you know.
05:35
<jammcq>
moquist: tanks
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<highvoltage>
jammcq: sladen says he thinks the slowness of the Ubuntu kernel in LTSP might be caused by something that's called an interrupt delay. it's something they tweaked in the ubuntu kernel. have you talken to any ubuntu kernel guys yet?
05:37
<jammcq>
talked to 2 kernel guys, BenC and someone else
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<jammcq>
highvoltage: see if you can get more details from sladen
05:44
<federicoco>
hello all have u any idea of enable audio (ac97) on ltsp client?
05:46
<ogra>
in ltsp5 it should work out of the box
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<meduxa>
http://wiki.tcosproject.org/Main_Page
07:17
this is the TCOS wiki page
07:18
Mario, the TCOS developer, is arriving to the UDS
07:18
<str4nd>
Unable to locate remote host wiki.tcosproject.org.
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Alert!: Unable to connect to remote host.
07:18
<meduxa>
He wants to present to ltsp dev that are already there his new ideas implemented in this project to be able to collaborate
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<str4nd>
Hmm, TCOS.. :o
07:26
<yoho>
anyone: which distro should i use if i want software RAID and LTSP?
07:27
<ogra>
ubuntu or debian indeed :)
07:27
<Blinny>
heh
07:29
<meduxa>
jurl, let me check
07:29
<yoho>
ogra: right , but which version, is 'Alternate Install CD' available for ubuntu 7.04?
07:29
<ogra>
sure
07:29
<yoho>
i understand i need 'Alternate' for RAID, right? (i really want edubuntu)
07:30
<ogra>
http://www.bernardbelanger.com/computing/NaDa/
07:30
erm, sorry, wrong link
07:30
http://releases.ubuntu.com/7.04/
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<meduxa>
str4nd: http://www.tcosproject.org/
07:30
<ogra>
grab it from there, install a normal desktop with raid from the alternate CD and then follow https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
07:30
<meduxa>
it is right for me
07:30
I'm able to see the web page normally
07:31
<yoho>
ogra: and how do i add the other packages that are in edubuntu?
07:31
<ogra>
yoho, oh, you want edubuntu ?
07:31
then ignore the above
07:31
<yoho>
y
07:31
<ogra>
http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/7.04/
07:32
grab the classroom server and the classroom server addon CDs
07:32
have a server with two NICs and install from the server CD ... that will set up the ltsp stuff automatically
07:32
<yoho>
that has raid?
07:32
<ogra>
after your first login just pop in the addon CD
07:33
<str4nd>
Host www.tcosproject.org not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
07:33
<ogra>
its identical to the ubuntu alternate CD but has the ltsp autosetup and different branding
07:33
<str4nd>
my *cking dns :D
07:33
<yoho>
for a production (school) environment, 7.04 is better than 6.06?
07:34
<ogra>
7.04 has far more features
07:34
<yoho>
great, thanks!
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<yoho>
ogra: do i select "Manually edit partitioni table" to address RAID config?
07:46
<vagrantc>
yoho: probably
07:52
<ogra>
yes, yu need to create md devices
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<meduxa>
str4nd: since the web is new, maybe it is a DNS spread problem, try tomorrow
07:54
or later, ok?
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<vagrantc>
ogra: ltspfs virtual hal devices, room E
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<ogra>
yep, just done with themes ...
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<mhterres>
morning
07:59
<ogra>
smoke break ...
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<str4nd>
meduxa: now DNS working :p
08:08
<meduxa>
ok
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<jammcq>
hello kidz
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<mhterres>
hi jim
08:18
<jammcq>
hey
08:19
<krinns>
hay
08:19
any one knows
08:19
i have ltsp4.2
08:19
needs usb on that
08:20
<jammcq>
krinns: what do you want to know?
08:20
<krinns>
how i add usb in ltsp4.2
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<jammcq>
usb is already in ltsp-4.2
08:21
do you have a USB device ?
08:22
<Guaraldo>
krinns: Its simple... Just two or tree lines on your lts.conf and one package to be installed (maybe already installed)
08:23
<krinns>
what is that package n what lines?
08:23
<jammcq>
krinns: WHAT are you trying to do?
08:24
<krinns>
i need to have my usb sticks to work on thinclient
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<Guaraldo>
krinns: on the server: install fuse-utils libfuse2 libx11-protocol-perl
08:25
<jammcq>
aahhhhhh you are talking about USB Sticks
08:25
coulda been usb mouse or usb keyboard
08:25
<jsgotangco>
jammcq: uncle!
08:26
<krinns>
hum
08:26
and wht lines to add in lts.conf
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<Guaraldo>
krinns: and the package ltsp-server-pkg for your distro...
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<Guaraldo>
fallow the lines: LOCAL_STORAGE = Y MODULE_01 = "uhci-hcd" MODULE_02 = "usb-storage" MODULE_03 = "sd_mod"
08:27
<jammcq>
Guaraldo: he doesn't need those MODULE lines
08:27
that's all automatic
08:28
<mhterres>
even for 4.2 version ?
08:28
<jammcq>
yes
08:28
<Guaraldo>
jammcq: Oh!, sorry... I still use those lines...
08:29* Guaraldo will correct his documentation...
08:29
<zege>
Hi. I've got a Problem with ltsp. I've installed a full ltsp environmenton my ubuntu 6.06.1 server, tftp is up and running, dhcpd works and nfs is sharing the filesystem. But when i try to boot my thin client (IBM Netvista) it says: no pxe server found, using standard boot file. Then it tries tftp, but i seems that it doesn't find a kernel to boot. Can someone help me?
08:29
<mhterres>
We didn't knew that
08:29
<krinns>
jammcq
08:29
then wgt line
08:29
i add?
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<jammcq>
krinns: what distro are you using?
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<krinns>
ubuntu 6.06
08:32
oand novel linux desktop
08:32
<jammcq>
novell ?
08:32
<Guaraldo>
krinns: ???
08:32
<jammcq>
this should work for Ubuntu, but not for Novell
08:33
you should add: LOCAL_STORAGE = Y
08:33
<krinns>
only single line
08:33
for novell
08:33
and for ubuntu
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<Guaraldo>
krinns: For Ububtu...
08:34
<zege>
Nobody an idea?
08:34
<sbalneav>
zege: what does your dhcpd.conf file look like?
08:34
Paste it to the pastebot
08:34
!pastebot
08:34
<ltspbot`>
sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
08:34
<zege>
mom
08:34
<Guaraldo>
zege: Does the thinclient boots???
08:35
<jammcq>
zege: IBM Netvistas are very problematic
08:35
<zege>
jammcq: it was running some time ago, with the same install
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<jammcq>
zege: check this wiki page: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Clients#IBM_NetVista_clients
08:36
<joebaker>
One of my LTSP 5 Ubuntu 7.04 users just "hibernated" the ltsp server :)
08:36
<zege>
i set it up to be a pc and now i'm using the intel etherboot client
08:36
<jammcq>
joebaker: ooops
08:36
<joebaker>
I can confirm that indeed the dhcp server doesn't restart properly after resuming from hibernation.
08:38
<krinns>
Guaraldo
08:38
i wont understand
08:38
<zege>
sbalneav: http://files.zege.at/dhcpd.conf
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<Guaraldo>
krinns: I cant confirm it works on novell
08:39
<krinns>
ok
08:41
<joebaker>
man :Command not found --- this is weird...
08:41
The manUAL command..
08:42
<Guaraldo>
joebaker: Oh!, its not a good new...
08:42
<sbalneav>
zege: looks like those netvistas are going to be tough to get going.
08:43
<joebaker>
Guaraldo: Ubuntu-desktop doesn't seem to include man in it's base packages. apt-get install man did the trick
08:43
<zege>
sbalneav: they worked fine some time ago. But then they stopped, and i don't know why. Now I'm setting up the server again, but i can't get them working. :(
08:45
<sbalneav>
Looks like the netvistas are non-standard devices. The last time anyone updated the info on that page jammcq sent you was back in 2002
08:45
the kernel they were using was 2.4.x
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<jammcq>
cliebow has done alot with netvistas
08:45
but I seem to remember it requiring a 2.4 kernel, which means it won't work with ltsp-4.x
08:45
<sbalneav>
jammcq: has he got them going with ltsp5?
08:45
<jammcq>
no
08:46
but I don't think zege is trying ltsp-5, is he?
08:46
<zege>
jammcq: i dunno
08:46
jammcq: how do i check what version i use?
08:48
i use the default ubuntu 6.06.1 package ltsp-server-standalone
08:48
<sbalneav>
That's ltsp 5
08:49
No work has been done on that to make it work on netvistas.
08:49
<zege>
ok, but as i sayed before, the netvistas worked with this setup some time ago
08:50
i just putted them into PC mode, and used the Intel Etherboot client
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<sbalneav>
ok, so it used to work on ltsp3, with kernel 2.4
08:50
we're now on ltsp5, with kernel 2.6
08:50
<zege>
sbalneav: no, they worked with ltsp5
08:50
<jammcq>
zege: what distro?
08:50
<zege>
ubuntu
08:50
6.06.1 dapper drake
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<sbalneav>
wait, you're using etherboot?
08:51
<zege>
yes
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<ogra>
joebaker, why would you need a man command in an environment where you have no user accounts even ... we dont install man in the chroot
08:51
<sbalneav>
your dhcpd.conf is wrong.
08:51
<zege>
why
08:52
<sbalneav>
you're only doing pxe boots in that one.
08:52
<ogra>
joebaker, also what kind of desktop are you using ? gnome is patched and wont provide any hibernate options if a user comes from an ltsp client
08:52
<sbalneav>
you don't provide the etherboot option.
08:52
if substring( option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9 ) = "PXEClient" {
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filename "/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0";
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}
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else{
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filename "/ltsp/i386/nbi.img";
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}
08:52
you need something like that, to differentiate between pxe and etherboot.
08:53
<zege>
mom
08:53
but there is no nbi.img ...
08:54
<ogra>
sbalneav, dapper had no etherboot support out of the box ... mknbi was buggy, remeber ?
08:54
joebaker, feel free to add something to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/48212 about the dhcpd stuff if you feel like
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<sbalneav>
zege: Well, if you had it going before, then you must have had an nbi img
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<vagrantc>
unless the version of etherboot supports PXE emulation
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<zege>
fuck, the netvista got up right now. but there is still some work to do.
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<sbalneav>
zege: language please.
08:55
<zege>
ok,sry
08:56
now the kernel got loaded, but it can't mount the root file system, permission denied
08:56
lets see
08:56
do i have to add hosts to hosts file, like the ltsp-admin utility did?
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<ogra>
zege, ltsp5 does everything automatically ...
08:58
imagine a lveCD that sets up X for you etc
08:58
*liveCD
08:58
<zege>
ogra sure?
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<ogra>
you *can* override that in lts.conf
08:58
<zege>
because there are no entries in hosts hosts.allow and hosts.deny
08:58
<ogra>
but it usually works out of the box
08:58
no need for that
08:59
<zege>
ok, but why do i get permission denied with nfs?
08:59
<vagrantc>
some other reason, for sure.
08:59* vagrantc thinks a bit
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<ogra>
dhcp ?
08:59
or network package size ?
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<ogra>
check the wiki.ltsp.org site about nfs
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<vagrantc>
!nfs
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<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: "nfs" is the protocol that serves the files needed by LTSP. You can find info at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/NFS
09:00
<ogra>
ah :)
09:03
<zege>
ogra: but nfs is working, i have some mounts no my local pc
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<vagrantc>
zege: grep root-path /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf
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<ogra>
then its likely to be dhcp not pointinhg to the right nfs server or so ...
09:05
<jammcq>
zege: also, do this: showmount -e
09:05
make sure it agrees with what your root-path is set to
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<zege>
shomount -e: Esport List for ONENATION: /opt/ltsp *
09:07
and the dhcpd.conf points to the right server
09:07
<jammcq>
what's the path?
09:08
<vagrantc>
zege: could you please paste the output exactly as it says
09:08
<zege>
very difficult, because i'm on a terminal, and i don't know how to paste from tty1 to tty3
09:08
<jammcq>
then type it. it's not that long
09:09
<joebaker>
ogra: It's the main LTSP server that needed the man command. I wasn't referring to the LTSP chroot. Is there a way I could have said that better. Wow this NoMachine is great. I though when you suspended a session that IRC wouldn't continue receiving messages. To my delight and astonishment I can look back through the evening logs of the #ltxsp channel.
09:09
<zege>
ok
09:09
<vagrantc>
zege: does it contain an ip address?
09:09
<zege>
mom#
09:10
the netvista tryed to mount 192.168.1.1:192.168.1.1:/opt/ltsp/i386 so i fixed the dhcpd.conf and now waiting for the netvista
09:11
and now everything is alright. it boots up normally<
09:11
thanks everyone :) !
09:12
<vagrantc>
zege: if you had just grepped the line from dhcpd.conf i could have told you that much quicker :P
09:14
<zege>
yes, what shall i say now .... ;)
09:14
<vagrantc>
well, you already said thanks, so :)
09:14
<zege>
THANKS!
09:15
and i say it again, only for yiou
09:16
<vagrantc>
heh
09:16
<zege>
vagrantc: do you know the default xdmcp port?
09:16
<vagrantc>
grep xdmcp /etc/services
09:16
<zege>
because i want to set up xdm instead of gdm, but i don't know the port
09:17
<vagrantc>
why do you need to know the port?
09:17
<zege>
thx
09:17
for the config file
09:17
there was a 0 instead of the port
09:20* vagrantc suspects zege is editing the wrong file
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<vagrantc>
!gdm
09:20
<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: Error: "gdm" is not a valid command.
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<vagrantc>
!xdmcp
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<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: Error: "xdmcp" is not a valid command.
09:21
<vagrantc>
ltspbot`: factoids search --values
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<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: 'ltsp', 'ubuntu', 'sbalneav', 'icewm', 'frappr', 'wiki', 'debian', 'edubuntu', 'dhcpd', 'greyscreen', 'grayscreen', 'ltsp42', 'localdev', 'checklist', 'muekow', 'bestltspdistro', 'serversize', 'serversizing', 'wireless', 'sound', 'topics', 'ubuntuquick', 'integration', 'lts.conf', 'pastebot', 'bootfloppy', 'ltsp5', 'tarball', 'download', 'monkeys', 'ogra', 'nfs', 'nfsnotresp', 'js', (1 more message)
09:21
<vagrantc>
!grayscreen
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<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: "grayscreen" is No login, and only a grey screen? See http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Troubleshooting-GrayScreen#GDM
09:21
<zege>
vagrantc: i edited /etc/X11/xdm/xdm-config
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the last line:
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DisplayManager.requestPort: 0
09:22
<vagrantc>
ah, you want xdm instead of GDM ... got it
09:22
i think that same URL has instructions for xdm on the same page
09:22
<zege>
yes, because its very simple ;)
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<zege>
vagrantc: isit possible that my client-environment includes a displaymanager? because i changed the dm on my server, but the clients still show a gdm
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<vagrantc>
zege: the default is to use LDM
09:30
zege: unless you've set a SCREEN_NN= in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
09:31
default for ltsp5
09:31
<zege>
there is no lts.conf in my /opt/ltsp/i386/etc
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<vagrantc>
well, then you must be using the defaults :)
09:37
<zege>
:) i think that ubuntu changed the defaults ;) but i added a server entry to my new lts.conf and now i'm trying again :)
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<vagrantc>
yes, completely insecure connections is no longer the default in ltsp5
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<vagrantc>
anyone want to review https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ltsp/+spec/network-boot-menu ?
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<Blinny>
vagrantc: Looks fine to me (:
10:05
<Gadi>
would it hurt to capitalize the first word? ;)
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<vagrantc>
Gadi: it very well might
10:10
<Gadi>
dude, ur in Spain - speak English!
10:11
;)
10:11
<vagrantc>
lo siento
10:12* vagrantc feels the pain
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<cliebow_>
Gadi:back under you rock now ..you have contributed to open source!
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<highvoltage>
capitilized in English is capatilised :)
10:20* highvoltage ducks
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<vagrantc>
gah.
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<dan__t>
'morning..
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12:01
<joebaker>
ogra: The hibernate issue came because of XDMCP/GDM I'm _not_ having the users come in through LDM.
12:01
<ogra>
well ...
12:03
joebaker, export LTSP_CLIENT="blah" on login
12:03
g-p-m will respect that then
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<jammcq>
hola
12:04
<Guaraldo>
Hi, Jim... How are you?
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<jammcq>
highvoltage: ping
12:10
moquist: ping
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<joebaker>
ogra: where might I hook into such a login script to add the export LTSP_CLIENT="blah" where it will only affect XDMCP clients?
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<ogra>
joebaker, no idea, i never use xdmcp
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<joebaker>
thanks
12:20
So if I switch to LDM this problem would just go away.... Hmmm... tempting... Probably other things would start to work as well. I swim upstream too much. I'll try it.
12:24* Lumiere wants to change the relase date for ubuntu...
12:24
<Lumiere>
(at least edubuntu)
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<moquist>
jammcq: pong
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<cliebow_>
moquist:Wow..that was awful qiock!
13:04
<Blinny>
time=2280000ms
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<PY1NB>
where do I set screen resolution for clients?
13:24
<Blinny>
PY1NB: lts.conf
13:25
<cliebow_>
for starters...what distro?
13:27
<PY1NB>
tnx
13:27
where does lts.conf lives?
13:28
/opt/ltsp-4.2/i386/etc/lts.conf ?
13:28
what do I need to restart in order to the server reflect the changes I made?
13:29
<Blinny>
PY1NB: Yes. Check out the X_MODE_0 directive.
13:29
PY1NB: Just the thin client.
13:29
<PY1NB>
cool! tnx
13:32
I changed there, but when I reload the client (ctrl-alt-bkspace), stills at 640x480
13:32
<Blinny>
PY1NB: You're just reloading the previously-created XF86Config file. You need to restart the client.
13:35
<PY1NB>
ok
13:37
hmm, no change
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<Blinny>
PY1NB: What xserver is the client running?
13:40
<PY1NB>
X11 ?
13:40
I think its the default one
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<Blinny>
PY1NB: If it's staying at 640x480 then it's probably running VESA. This is the fall-back video mode that works on almost all video cards, but is really slow. XOrg usually can guess what kind of card you have, but in your case it probably isn't guessing correctly. You may need to specify which xserver to run. Read up here: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/VideoCards
13:44
<PY1NB>
hm, thats an old trident adapter
13:48
XSERVER = trident ?
13:48
or XSERVER = X.org
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<Blinny>
I thikn you can XSERVER=trident
13:55
<PY1NB>
XSERVER=trident still on 640x480
13:55
<Blinny>
Scan you xorg.log to see what is being used
13:55
(on the client.. is located in vt2)
13:55
probably
13:56
<Gadi>
PY1NB: if this is LTSP5, you may need to specify X_VERTREFRESH and X_HORZSYNC
13:57
<PY1NB>
Gadi: I did
13:57
<Gadi>
what values?
13:58
<PY1NB>
X_HORZSYNC = 30-54 X_VERTREFRESH = 50-110
13:58
its a phillips 105s monitor
13:58
<Gadi>
that horizontal sync is very low
13:59
<PY1NB>
google gave me that
13:59* cliebow_ cliebow waves to Gadi
13:59
<Gadi>
where did you get that range from?
13:59* Gadi gives cliebow_ the high school senior nod
13:59
<cliebow_>
or was that a smirk 8~)
13:59
<PY1NB>
http://www.monitorworld.com/Monitors/philips/105s.html
14:00
http://www.sprint.net.au/~terbut/usefulbox/p105s.htm also tells the same
14:02
<Gadi>
ok, well: 1. put them in quotes
14:02
like: "30-54"
14:02
2: make sure you have: XSERVER=trident
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<Gadi>
and: X_MODE_0 = "1024x768"
14:03
if it continues to be stubborn, you can set: SCREEN_02 = shell in lts.conf
14:04
then hit ctrl-alt-f2 on the thin client, bring up a shell, and look at the client's Xorg log file
14:04
<PY1NB>
http://pastebin.us/33406
14:04
<Gadi>
it will tell you why the videocard refuses to give you the resolution you want
14:06
<PY1NB>
where is the xorg log file?
14:06
<Gadi>
LTSP5: /var/log/X.org.....
14:07
<PY1NB>
/var/log is empty
14:07
<Gadi>
thats interesting
14:07
hmm
14:07
how about /tmp
14:08
<PY1NB>
neither
14:08
it is logging remotely at the server
14:09
<Gadi>
hmmm
14:09
should still produce a Xorg log file
14:10
<PY1NB>
bah
14:14
cant find this damn log file
14:14
doesnt log remote neither
14:16
<Blinny>
Mine is located in /tmp/mnt
14:19
<PY1NB>
ops, my badI , found it
14:22
lemme try to find something bad on it
14:24
<cy_co1>
trying to setup a thinclientlab (edubuntu 7.04), there is a configurationtool named ltsp-manager, which does not work. Can anybody confirm that?
14:25
<PY1NB>
Blinny: log says: insufficient memory for mode :( is this video card memory? or pc memory?
14:25
<Gadi>
video memory
14:25
you may need to specify
14:25
the driver may not be able to determine how much video mem there is
14:26
<PY1NB>
also, the other workstation which was working, now only loads X, not the x_login_thing
14:26
Gadi: how dould I do it?
14:27
<Gadi>
try: X_VIDEORAM = 2048
14:27
in lts.conf
14:27
<PY1NB>
tnx
14:27* Gadi is not sure if this was implemented in ltsp5
14:27
<Gadi>
but worth a try
14:28
otherwise, you may need to create a static xorg.conf file for that machine and call that file with XF86CONFIG_FILE
14:29
specifying the video memory as you would in xorg.conf
14:30
<PY1NB>
great success!!!
14:30
tnx for help folks!
14:30
but I do have a small problem now... it doesnt load the X login daemon, only that X cursor :(
14:31
and I only played on the lts.conf file
14:31
<Gadi>
PY1NB: ldm is really slow
14:31
try waiting a bit
14:31
:P
14:32
or try specifying more video memory (if you know how much the card has)
14:32
more video memory will help speed that a bit
14:36
<PY1NB>
waiting for more than 10 minutes
14:36
the ws which was working, now stopped and only shows X cursor
14:36
<cliebow_>
Gadi:what "runlevel" is graphic in ubuntu..5?
14:36
<Gadi>
2
14:37
<cliebow_>
thanks..
14:37
<Gadi>
PY1NB: try 800x600
14:40
<PY1NB>
Gadi: but it was working on the other station
14:40
<Gadi>
are they the same hardware/
14:40
?
14:41
<PY1NB>
no
14:41
<Gadi>
are you putting entries in [Default] in lts.conf?
14:41
if so, then they will affect all terminals
14:42
to affect only one particular, make a new section with: [<MAC address of terminal>]
14:42
and put the specific entries there
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<PY1NB>
Gadi: I put host specific entry
14:46
<nate66s>
howdy... can i ask a question about a potential problem with etherboot?
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<nate66s>
Just installed Edubuntu 7.04 and I'm trying to boot an old Jammin 125, but I'm getting an error message when it tries to load the kernel over eitherboot. The message is "...(ELF)... segment in reserved area" I'm wondering if this might be an issue with the older version of Etherboot. Any thoughts?
14:49
The version of Etherboot is 5.0.5
14:54
<cliebow_>
that version Is ancient huh..
14:54
built before there Was a 2.6 kernel
14:54
<nate66s>
yep
14:54
<cliebow_>
jammcq is still in SPain..so he is six hours ahead of us..
14:55
Gadi:you are not in Spain are you?
14:55
i bet Ron would ship you a newer prom..
14:56
<nate66s>
should i just send an email to diskless workstations, you think?
14:56
<Gadi>
cliebow_: me no
14:56
<nate66s>
i don't have ron's email address
14:56
<cliebow_>
nate:lemme look at disklessworkstations
14:58
send it to jam at mcquil.com he'll forward it..or deal with it..
14:58
<nate66s>
okay, will do.. thank you
14:59
<cliebow_>
pleasure
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<cliebow_>
byeeeeeee
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<PY1NB>
I rebooted the server and it works ok now! thank you folks!
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<nick125_>
Afternoon everyone
15:10
Oooh, 5.0
15:10
shiny
15:10
Anyone here play with 5.0 on gentoo yet?
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<lns>
What's up all
15:12
Can anyone verify that the instructions for upgrading the chroot for Edubuntu Feisty (at https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuLTSPUpgradeNotes) is the same for Ubuntu? If not, can anyone throw me a link? I can't seem to find Ubuntu specific LTSP chroot upgrade instructions.
15:15
<PY1NB>
gadi, u tehre?
15:15
<Gadi>
i love philosophical questions
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<PY1NB>
I could load the trident client, but the screen is split in two. any ideas about fixing that?
15:16
<Gadi>
split in 2?
15:17
how do you mean?
15:17
<PY1NB>
the same image twice, with a horizontal line between them
15:18
seems frequency mode related
15:18
<Gadi>
sounds like a syncing issue
15:18
yeah
15:18
<PY1NB>
should I manually put modelines?
15:18
<Gadi>
is there an autoadjust button on the monitor?
15:18
try that first
15:19
<PY1NB>
ok
15:20
no autoadjust
15:20
<Gadi>
hmm
15:21
<PY1NB>
# Philips 105s CM2300
15:21
Modeline "1024x768" 78.80 1024 1050 1153 1312 768 769 772 800 +hsync +vsync
15:22
X_MODE_0 = "1024x768" 78.80 1024 1050 1153 1312 768 769 772 800 +hsync +vsyncXSERVER = trident
15:22
trying this last
15:25
<lns>
Bueller? ;)
15:26
<mage>
wow trident
15:27
haven't heard that in years
15:27
<PY1NB>
welcome to third world
15:28
<mage>
oh is PY1NB a callsign?
15:31
<PY1NB>
yes it is
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<PY1NB>
are you a ham?
15:31
<mage>
yup
15:31
<PY1NB>
73, pleased to meet ya
15:33
<mage>
ltsp on the terminals is a nice fancy shellscript, i'm not really sure on the syntax of how that X_MODE_0 would get used
15:33* sutula waves from K0BJS in Colorado, USA
15:33
<PY1NB>
what a ham world!
15:33
<mage>
VA7KYL is mine
15:34
<PY1NB>
oh, canada
15:34
how often do you stick to #hamradio?
15:34
<mage>
never been there
15:34
<PY1NB>
cool place, nice folks
15:34
how active you are?
15:35
<mage>
not active on the radio at all, mainly help my club with computer issues
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<PY1NB>
when I put X_MODE_0 = "1024x768" 78.80 1024 1050 1153 1312 768 769 772 800 +hsync +vsync I have syntax error
15:36
<mage>
ltsp 4? 5?
15:36
<PY1NB>
I am not much active now, tough I have HF station running
15:37
<mage>
could try a node specific x config file
15:37
<PY1NB>
afraid it is ltsp4
15:37
<mage>
thats what I ended up doing last time I used ltsp
15:37
of course my knowledge is from looking at the scripts for ltsp3 ;)
15:38
<sutula>
PY1NB: It's a shell variable assignment, I believe...do you need the whole thing in quotes?
15:38
<mage>
X_MODE_0 = "\"1024x768\" 78.80 1024 1050 1153 1312 768 769 772 800 +hsync +vsync"
15:38
thats my humourous guess
15:39
ugh
15:39
can someone send me an initramfs from ltsp4?
15:40
<PY1NB>
lemme check this
15:43
<mage>
whoops, I know what file I want on ltsp5
15:45
<Gadi>
PY1NB: put quotes around the whole thing and drop the ones around 1024x768
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<anco>
hey all
15:49
Did anybody try to download and install server addon cd2 edubuntu 7.04
15:50
I downloaded it and the edubuntu website doesn't talk at all about the second cd
15:50
only that it should be easy to install.... well i don't see how yet
15:52
I can't find what cd2 has to offer and why I should simply use synaptic to install whatever extra I like to install
15:55
<PY1NB>
Gadi: did not work
15:55
still have parse error
15:55
<Gadi>
PY1NB: it should read: X_MODE_0 = "1024x768 78.80 1024 1050 1153 1312 768 769 772 800 +hsync +vsync"
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<PY1NB>
ah, ok
15:58
was 1024x768 "blah blah"
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<PY1NB>
Gadi: it got better... seems I need to tweak the settings now to finetune
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<highvoltage>
ltspbot`: tell jammcq pong
16:23
<ltspbot`>
highvoltage: Error: No factoid matches that key.
16:23
<highvoltage>
dum bot.
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<lns>
Can anyone tell me why this is happening?
16:41
$ sudo ltsp-update-kernels
16:41
Password:
16:41
Updating tftp directories for chroot: /opt/ltsp/i386
16:41
Skipping yaboot configuration. install yaboot package if you need it.
16:41
Skipping PXE configuration. Install the syslinux package if you need it.
16:41
I've got syslinux installed....?
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<mage>
possibly not to a place where that script sees it
16:45
<lns>
do i have to install syslinux manually under the chroot?
16:46
<mage>
possibly
16:46
maybe they mean a ltsp package for syslinux that throws it in the chroot
16:48
<lns>
hrm
16:48
<cliebow>
lns:never heard of such a thing..
16:48
<lns>
what's up cliebow
16:49
it's strange, i know
16:49
<cliebow>
hey!..just throwing my one cents worth in
16:49
<mage>
same
16:49
<lns>
I'm sure it's probably related to ltsp-build-client erroring out
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<lns>
ln: creating symbolic link `/dev/fd' to `/proc/self/fd': File exists
16:49
<lns> error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally
16:49
<cliebow>
ogra would say be sure you do ltsp-build-client to a clean place..
16:50
<lns>
yep...did that
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<cliebow>
not over an oldie
16:50
<lns>
well i did rm -r /opt/ltsp/i386 ;)
16:50
<cliebow>
lns:is your version of ltsp-server ancient?
16:50
<lns>
nope..just upgraded to feisty
16:51
<cliebow>
checjk your version..that sounds like a version 1.2-something error
16:51
<lns>
can i rm -r /opt/ltsp/i386 without having to download all the packages again? i have to wait like 20 mins every time i try again
16:51
<cliebow>
the cache should not be affected
16:51
<lns>
ii ltsp-server 0.124
16:52
cool
16:52
<cliebow>
can you try to apt-fget install ltsp-server..see if you get like e5.0.6?
16:53
<lns>
bah! it did effect the cache
16:53
<PY1NB>
where can I find a modeline for a specific monitor?
16:53
<lns>
booo for you =p j/k its ok
16:53
k i'll try
16:54
<mage>
PY1NB: what part is off? the cycles or the alignment?
16:54
<PY1NB>
mage: the image is split in two, I believe the cycles
16:54
<cliebow>
lns:cripes..i forgot it was chroot..sorry
16:54
<lns>
cliebow, should i trust this? ...
16:54
its ok
16:55
check it out
16:55
The following extra packages will be installed:
16:55
openbsd-inetd
16:55
Suggested packages:
16:55
dhcp3-server sdm audiooss
16:55
Recommended packages:
16:55
ltspfs
16:55
The following packages will be REMOVED:
16:55
netkit-inetd
16:55
The following NEW packages will be installed:
16:55
openbsd-inetd
16:55
The following packages will be upgraded:
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<lns>
ltsp-server
16:55
1 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
16:55
<mage>
insert comment on pastebin
16:55
<lns>
Need to get 92.2kB of archives.
16:55
After unpacking 61.4kB of additional disk space will be used.
16:55
Do you want to continue [Y/n]?
16:55
sorry :(
16:55
<mage>
whats not to trust?
16:55
<cliebow>
i thionk it is ok..different tftp daemon/\\
16:56
<lns>
well i just did the server dist upgrade and i'm wondering why it didn't upgrade ltsp-server...
16:56
this is on 64-bit ubuntu server btw
16:56
<PY1NB>
mage, any idea?
16:56
<mage>
cliebow: inetd isn't tftp daemon
16:56
<cliebow>
no..but it passes out tftp
16:56
<mage>
PY1NB: I'd grab a manual, or try and find standard modelines
16:56
PY1NB: typically I've only had to specify a higher refresh rate in the x config and the standard modes work
16:57
<lns>
ok it's upgraded now...wtf, do you know why the dist upgrade didn't upgrade ltsp-server?
16:57
<mage>
hah and my workstation doesn't have an X config :-/
16:58
<PY1NB>
which part is the refresh rate? the first number?
16:58
<lns>
i used the commandline deal that was recommended on the ubuntu update site
16:58
<mage>
hangon, gotta go grab one
16:58
<cliebow>
so dpkg -l|grep ltsp-server gives?
16:58
5.?
16:58
<lns>
yep, it does now
16:58
<mage>
yea it is
16:58
<lns>
5.0.7
16:59
<cliebow>
let that rip..dhould be ok now..if you toss your old chroot
16:59
<lns>
ok in the process now
16:59
thanks btw cliebow =)
16:59
strange stuff
16:59
<cliebow>
8~)
16:59
the real brains ogf the outfit are in Sevila..so im doing best i can
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17:00* mage wonders about postal costs between canada and brazil
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<lns>
well i definitely appreciate it
17:00
<cliebow>
8~)
17:00
<lns>
irc support is kinda like bittorrent for me...if i'm at home anyway, i usually hang out after i get some questions answered and try to help other ppl out
17:00
<cliebow>
been doing that like 7 years..repaying the debt..
17:01
<lns>
the server i'm using is so hot... dual quad xeon 3GHz... 8 total CPUs, 8GB Ram, 120GB SAS hdds
17:01
i want it to have my children
17:01
<cliebow>
heh he
17:01
<lns>
don't tell my wife though =p
17:01
<cliebow>
she ought to fly..
17:01
<lns>
she'd be pissed
17:02
it does!!
17:02
<cliebow>
the server i mean
17:02
<lns>
hahaha
17:02
yes
17:02
i feel privledged to even put ubuntu on it
17:02
and if this project goes well, there are 7 other servers just liek this one for other schools to replace aging M$ environments
17:02
<cliebow>
what do you have for childre...i mean clients
17:03
<mage>
heh
17:03
<lns>
We got a bunch of NeoWare e100 thin clients, and then the rest are older Compaq iPaqs
17:03
<cliebow>
lns: i support 12 schools..only four for ltsp
17:03
<PY1NB>
mage: how do you suggest tweaking that? ?
17:03
<lns>
we had a major problem with the newer iPaqs (there were 2 different models in the classrooms) that had PXE issues and no support
17:03
cliebow, nice!!
17:03
that's still 4 better than 0
17:04
<cliebow>
yep..you using nx?
17:04
<lns>
i'm just supporting one after-school place now, but this one is going to launch a bunch more
17:04
<mage>
hmm
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<cliebow>
nx absolutely rocks for remote admiin
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<lns>
i've dabbled in it, i'm amazed with ti but haven't implemented it outside my testlab
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<mage>
PY1NB: well its a CRT right? figure out its range for vertical/horizontal refresh rates
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<lns>
i've read that x11 over ssh is very comparable to nx..? i wasn't sure if i should trust that
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<mage>
or start out with, "what modes work in windows?"
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<lns>
it was on a credible site though iirc
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<cliebow>
it is SO easy to install in ubuntu..
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<lns>
cliebow, that is VERY good to hear
17:05
that would be so awesome for the kids workign from home
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they could access everything
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<cliebow>
yes..we got roped into citrix before nx came along
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<lns>
that would be like, the holy grail of LTSP/linux remote workstations
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yikes
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is freenx good?
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or should ya stick with commercial nx
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<mage>
PY1NB: you'll probably want to look at the log file, I know Xorg has a ton of builtin modelines that are pondered against the supported refresh rates
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<cliebow>
lns:they can also import any damn thing in tru your firewall
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i use o nly freenx
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i have no budget
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<mage>
also what video adaptor?
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<lns>
cliebow, that is too cool
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not about the budget...but these things make that matter less
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i'm installing this LTSP to the elementary school I used to attend..its weird!
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<cliebow>
we are orphaned..my clients have no memory..anf most wont load a 2.6 kernel
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<lns>
when I went here, we had Apple IIe systems...ahh, Lemonade Stand and Oregon Trail...haha
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<cliebow>
yeah..
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<lns>
oh wow
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<cliebow>
i predate most of that..
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<mage>
hmm does 2.6 run on a 486? my 486 laptop is still running 2.4
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<lns>
you had the abacus? ;)
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<cliebow>
our computer lab was punch card machine
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<lns>
haha... that rocks
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i bet those things taught you real well to mind your syntax
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<mage>
hehe us young people have it too easy
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<lns>
oh no
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<cliebow>
i had a lot of scratch pad
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<lns>
;)
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<mage>
type something in lazily, hit compile, look at error, fix typos, repeat
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<lns>
mage, yep!
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<mage>
im curious what video card PY1NB has from trident that can do 1024x768 because none of mine can
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<lns>
i remember when i was 5, typ‌ing programs in for my c64 line by line...and didn't know how to re-edit a line, so if i had a syntax error i had to input it all again
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<mage>
oucg
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;)
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<lns>
trident cards are awesome...they are (were?) such good generic video cards
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<PY1NB>
mage: maybe I am trying the wrong one
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<cliebow>
amazing where it has gone...biill gates was a hairy hipy like me..dont know where i went wrgong
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or did i
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<lns>
cliebow, you had a conscience? ;)
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<PY1NB>
mage: 9660 or similar
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<mage>
how much video ram?
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<PY1NB>
lemme see
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actually 9680 1Mb
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<mage>
ah
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I guess you could run it at 8bit color
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<PY1NB>
how do I set it?
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X_COLOR_DEPTH
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<mage>
probably
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<PY1NB>
mage: that worked, but when I opened firefox, colors became bizarre
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<mage>
yea
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<PY1NB>
why?
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<mage>
blah blah blah palettes
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<PY1NB>
how to solve?
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unsolvable?
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<mage>
the X window system isn't exactly known for dealing with color depth issues
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try and get more video ram
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<PY1NB>
new card?
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<lns>
PY1NB, if you're in 8-bit color, everything is gonna look like crap...like safe mode in windows
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<mage>
http://www.geekwerk.com/store/images/VC008.jpg
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yea I'd go with new card
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<lns>
hehehe, i remember those!!
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<mage>
I think the expansion ram would be difficult to find even in western world
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<lns>
i remember being all excited when i got some more ram for mine
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oh yeah
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try ebay, but you'd be much better off getting a new card
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<mage>
PY1NB: it'll do 800x600
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calc 800*600*2/1024 = 937.5
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<lns>
i dealt with those exact cards all the time where i used to work
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<mage>
I dont have any tridents but I have mach64 and s3 that has those slots
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nope, I only have a mach 64 now
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<PY1NB>
I had another card laying around, just changed, works fine now :)
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<mage>
thats good
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<PY1NB>
tnx for helping, I should go home now ;)
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<mage>
I'd label the 9680 "2007-05: works, max 800x600, only 1mb ram"
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<PY1NB>
cool
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gotta go! thanks!
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<lns>
cliebow, thank you so much - upgrading ltsp-server after the feisty upgrade worked like a charm!
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now my neoware thin clients' video chipsets are detected stably... this is a very, very good thing
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i wonder if anyone else has run into the upgrading ltsp-server-after-feisty-upgrade problem?
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anyway i gotta log out now...thanks all!! ttys
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<cliebow>
lns:heh..ii was first to bring it up..
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<muh2000>
cant mount NFS anymore... :( mountd[5851]: connect from 192.168.x.x to proc (1) in mountd: request from unauthorized host; that msg comes up in the log....
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(kernel panic while booting)
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<mage>
hmm
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x.x?
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192.168.0.10 is the ip for this computer ;)
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but did you check the exports
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<muh2000>
mage it worked a few days ago.
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havent changed anything at the exports
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<mage>
odd
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<muh2000>
the kernel panic also says:
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mount: mounting ip:/bla on /newroot/nfsroot invalid argument
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hmmmmmm mage it seems to be something with rpc.
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tried to mount it on my workstation...
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mount: RPC: authentication error; why = Failed (unspecified error)
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but rpc. i dont know what it could be. never touched anything with rpc. or not that i know of it ^^
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<mage>
yea nfs is still voodoo for me
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maybe you need to run rpc
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for me starting portmap made it go
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<nettrust>
testing
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<corn13read>
can i install a program in wine and copy it to the skel directory and have all my clients run it?
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<corn13read>
anyone?
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<corn13read>
anyone even here?
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<petre>
corn13read: I'm here, although I've got to leave shortly
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<corn13read>
can i install a program in wine and copy it to the skel directory and have all my clients run it?
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<petre>
I have no idea if putting wine into /etc/skel would work; my guess is that it would not, but try it and see, perhaps I'm wrong
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gotta go
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<corn13read>
ok anyone else?
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I want to figure out an easy way to install wine programs to all users...
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