IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 18 June 2013 (all times are UTC)
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| 03:39 | <map7> What's the best way to connect to my LTSP over the internet (via a VPN)?
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| 04:00 | <sbalneav> map7: Define "best" :D
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| 04:01 | <map7> Something which works easily for end users. I'm looking at XDMCP at the moment
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| 04:01 | <sbalneav> You're wanting to boot thin clients over the internet?
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| 04:02 | That won't work.
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| 04:02 | <map7> No just have access to the LTSP server. So they would have a notebook with a full OS on it at home
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| 04:02 | and use either VNC, NXclient or xwin to access the server
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| 04:02 | <sbalneav> vnc would likely be the best.
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| 04:03 | but the experience will be entirely dependent on the speed of the link between the two, as always.
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| 04:03 | If they've got a notebook with a full os, why not just provide mail or file services.
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| 04:03 | <map7> yeah I understand. Can I use VNC to connect to the login screen and start another session?
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| 04:04 | <sbalneav> No, vnc doesn't connect to a login
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| 04:04 | you just go straight into a desktop. You authenticate at another level.
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| 04:04 | <map7> I've seen some VNC related config in the lightdm.conf file and thought it might work
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| 04:05 | <sbalneav> That's probly to get lightdm to start a vnc connection to the remote host.
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| 04:05 | not the otherway around.
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| 04:06 | You're wanting some "something" that they're going to start up and they're just going to get the login screen and login, correct?
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| 04:06 | <map7> yes
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| 04:06 | I have many users here which want remote access, the nice thing about NXclient was it all worked over the ssh port and landed the user at the login screen
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| 04:07 | many users could login over NX and life was good, until NXserver or NXclient would have a bug which was often enough for me to give it a miss
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| 04:08 | <sbalneav> yeah, because nx is.... very fundamentally broken.
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| 04:08 | <map7> what about XDMCP?
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| 04:08 | <sbalneav> doesn't work over the internet.
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| 04:08 | broadcast only on local network.
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| 04:08 | <map7> I'll be on a VPN
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| 04:08 | too slow?
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| 04:08 | <sbalneav> *shrugs* you could try.
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| 04:09 | but it'll be raw x
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| 04:09 | x is a VERY chatty protocol.
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| 04:09 | it's likely to be slow to the point of unusable.
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| 04:10 | <map7> If I was to use VNC would I have to start a server per terminal and would that have to be on a different port per terminal? Of do I start the VNC server on the LTSP server itself?
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| 04:11 | <sbalneav> Off the top of my head, unsure.
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| 04:11 | Like I say, I think you'd be better off running the apps locally on the OS they have, and just running file services.
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| 04:13 | <map7> I agree, but the client wants both
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| 04:14 | Mainly due to some software licenses and they want remote access
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| 04:16 | <sbalneav> "You can't always get what you want", I believe the Stones once opined.
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| 04:16 | However, you've got a few things you can try.
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| 04:17 | <map7> but if you try sometimes you may just find.... you get what you neeeeed
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| 04:17 | <sbalneav> I suspect all of them will either be bearable, but unstable (NX) or stable (but slow)
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| 04:17 | The key word being "sometimes"
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| 04:17 | Sometimes, you don't get jack :D
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| 04:17 | I suspect this may be one of those times.
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| 04:18 | <map7> Yep, well I'll give XDMCP a go first, see if it's slow, then VNC.
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| 04:18 | Thanks for bouncing ideas around with me.
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| 06:00 | <map7> sbalneav, have you heard of X2Go before? http://wiki.x2go.org/doku.php/start
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| 06:09 | <alkisg> map7: x2go is the best way to connect to your ltsp server over WAN, yup
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| 06:09 | Beats vnc, xdmcp etc
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| 06:11 | <map7> alkisg, It looks pretty good, is it stable enough?
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| 06:12 | <alkisg> It's the most stable of the open source nx clones, freenx, neatx etc
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| 06:12 | ...and the only one actively maintained
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| 07:25 | <zend> Hi, all! Guys, how i can add "shutdown" and "reboot" button to thin client's menu?
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| 07:26 | Rebooting from login screen is not very suitable :-)
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| 07:28 | <Hyperbyte> Hi. Regular shutdown/reboot options on the thin client won't work, because they'll actually reboot the server (since that's where the desktop runs)
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| 07:29 | If you must do this, you need to add a new menu entry with a specific command that reboots the client, and you'll have to enable the clients to be rebooted by anyone, not just root
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| 07:29 | Adding menu entries is done in /usr/share/applications/ on the server
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| 07:29 | You can also execute commands on the thin client from the users' session on the server, by using "ltsp-localapps"... like:
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| 07:29 | !localxterm
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| 07:29 | <ltsp`> localxterm: Any applications that you launch on a thin client actually runs on the server, not on the client itself. If you want to open a program on the client locally, you can type 'ltsp-localapps <program>' in a run dialog or in a terminal. For example, 'ltsp-localapps xterm' to open a terminal running on the client.
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| 07:30 | <zend> Yes, i know about the local apps
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| 07:30 | <Hyperbyte> Then you just need to enable shutdown on the clients to work from the user account.
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| 07:30 | <zend> Oh
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| 07:30 | Good idea :-)
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| 07:30 | I'll try this
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| 07:30 | Thank yoo!
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| 07:31 | <Hyperbyte> You're welcome. Mind you that this kind of reboot/shutdown method, will not kill the users' session first.
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| 07:32 | Also meaning, if they have unsaved documents - that's too bad.
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| 07:32 | So it's not pretty.
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| 07:32 | That's why LTSP does not have shutdown/reboot option until you cleanly log out first. ;-)
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| 07:34 | <zend> It seemed to me that all user sessions are never closed by default :\
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| 07:34 | <Hyperbyte> How so?
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| 07:35 | <zend> Even when the logout properly, applications remain working.
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| 07:35 | <Hyperbyte> On the server?
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| 07:35 | <zend> Yes
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| 07:35 | <Hyperbyte> When a user logs out, all applications on the server -should- close
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| 07:36 | <zend> :\
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| 07:36 | <Hyperbyte> Sometimes there are some minor leftover processes, applications that don't quit properly
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| 07:36 | But definitely not entire desktop sessions.
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| 07:37 | <zend> Not entire, but some... :) Licq, on example :)
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| 07:38 | For killing them i use the "xexit" utility
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| 07:39 | https://code.launchpad.net/~sbalneav/ltsp/xexit
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| 07:39 | As advised me here :-)
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| 13:42 | <sbalneav> Hyperbyte: Just FYI, one of the things I'm doing on the Mate desktop project is auditing the session manager to make sure it shuts things down correctly :D
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| 13:42 | <Hyperbyte> Nice. :)
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| 15:32 | <nosedrum> hi everybody !
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| 15:32 | I have a graphics issue with VIA VX855 video clients
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| 15:33 | someone already have properly boot a client with VIA VX855 video (like Wyse C10)
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| 15:33 | ??
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| 15:41 | <unkmar> I don't know.
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| 15:59 | <nosedrum_> nobody about graphics issues with client equiped by VIA VX855 video ??
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| 16:03 | OK mens ! It's work have to put "XSERVER = vesa" in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf instead of "XSERVER = via
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| 16:10 | <ChadLepto> mltngpot, hey potiie
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| 16:11 | <mltngpot> sup chad
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