IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 18 June 2013   (all times are UTC)

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03:39
<map7>
What's the best way to connect to my LTSP over the internet (via a VPN)?
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04:00
<sbalneav>
map7: Define "best" :D
04:01
<map7>
Something which works easily for end users. I'm looking at XDMCP at the moment
04:01
<sbalneav>
You're wanting to boot thin clients over the internet?
04:02
That won't work.
04:02
<map7>
No just have access to the LTSP server. So they would have a notebook with a full OS on it at home
04:02
and use either VNC, NXclient or xwin to access the server
04:02
<sbalneav>
vnc would likely be the best.
04:03
but the experience will be entirely dependent on the speed of the link between the two, as always.
04:03
If they've got a notebook with a full os, why not just provide mail or file services.
04:03
<map7>
yeah I understand. Can I use VNC to connect to the login screen and start another session?
04:04
<sbalneav>
No, vnc doesn't connect to a login
04:04
you just go straight into a desktop. You authenticate at another level.
04:04
<map7>
I've seen some VNC related config in the lightdm.conf file and thought it might work
04:05
<sbalneav>
That's probly to get lightdm to start a vnc connection to the remote host.
04:05
not the otherway around.
04:06
You're wanting some "something" that they're going to start up and they're just going to get the login screen and login, correct?
04:06
<map7>
yes
04:06
I have many users here which want remote access, the nice thing about NXclient was it all worked over the ssh port and landed the user at the login screen
04:07
many users could login over NX and life was good, until NXserver or NXclient would have a bug which was often enough for me to give it a miss
04:08
<sbalneav>
yeah, because nx is.... very fundamentally broken.
04:08
<map7>
what about XDMCP?
04:08
<sbalneav>
doesn't work over the internet.
04:08
broadcast only on local network.
04:08
<map7>
I'll be on a VPN
04:08
too slow?
04:08
<sbalneav>
*shrugs* you could try.
04:09
but it'll be raw x
04:09
x is a VERY chatty protocol.
04:09
it's likely to be slow to the point of unusable.
04:10
<map7>
If I was to use VNC would I have to start a server per terminal and would that have to be on a different port per terminal? Of do I start the VNC server on the LTSP server itself?
04:11
<sbalneav>
Off the top of my head, unsure.
04:11
Like I say, I think you'd be better off running the apps locally on the OS they have, and just running file services.
04:13
<map7>
I agree, but the client wants both
04:14
Mainly due to some software licenses and they want remote access
04:16
<sbalneav>
"You can't always get what you want", I believe the Stones once opined.
04:16
However, you've got a few things you can try.
04:17
<map7>
but if you try sometimes you may just find.... you get what you neeeeed
04:17
<sbalneav>
I suspect all of them will either be bearable, but unstable (NX) or stable (but slow)
04:17
The key word being "sometimes"
04:17
Sometimes, you don't get jack :D
04:17
I suspect this may be one of those times.
04:18
<map7>
Yep, well I'll give XDMCP a go first, see if it's slow, then VNC.
04:18
Thanks for bouncing ideas around with me.
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06:00
<map7>
sbalneav, have you heard of X2Go before? http://wiki.x2go.org/doku.php/start
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06:09
<alkisg>
map7: x2go is the best way to connect to your ltsp server over WAN, yup
06:09
Beats vnc, xdmcp etc
06:11
<map7>
alkisg, It looks pretty good, is it stable enough?
06:12
<alkisg>
It's the most stable of the open source nx clones, freenx, neatx etc
06:12
...and the only one actively maintained
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07:25
<zend>
Hi, all! Guys, how i can add "shutdown" and "reboot" button to thin client's menu?
07:26
Rebooting from login screen is not very suitable :-)
07:28
<Hyperbyte>
Hi. Regular shutdown/reboot options on the thin client won't work, because they'll actually reboot the server (since that's where the desktop runs)
07:29
If you must do this, you need to add a new menu entry with a specific command that reboots the client, and you'll have to enable the clients to be rebooted by anyone, not just root
07:29
Adding menu entries is done in /usr/share/applications/ on the server
07:29
You can also execute commands on the thin client from the users' session on the server, by using "ltsp-localapps"... like:
07:29
!localxterm
07:29
<ltsp`>
localxterm: Any applications that you launch on a thin client actually runs on the server, not on the client itself. If you want to open a program on the client locally, you can type 'ltsp-localapps <program>' in a run dialog or in a terminal. For example, 'ltsp-localapps xterm' to open a terminal running on the client.
07:30
<zend>
Yes, i know about the local apps
07:30
<Hyperbyte>
Then you just need to enable shutdown on the clients to work from the user account.
07:30
<zend>
Oh
07:30
Good idea :-)
07:30
I'll try this
07:30
Thank yoo!
07:31
<Hyperbyte>
You're welcome. Mind you that this kind of reboot/shutdown method, will not kill the users' session first.
07:32
Also meaning, if they have unsaved documents - that's too bad.
07:32
So it's not pretty.
07:32
That's why LTSP does not have shutdown/reboot option until you cleanly log out first. ;-)
07:34
<zend>
It seemed to me that all user sessions are never closed by default :\
07:34
<Hyperbyte>
How so?
07:35
<zend>
Even when the logout properly, applications remain working.
07:35
<Hyperbyte>
On the server?
07:35
<zend>
Yes
07:35
<Hyperbyte>
When a user logs out, all applications on the server -should- close
07:36
<zend>
:\
07:36
<Hyperbyte>
Sometimes there are some minor leftover processes, applications that don't quit properly
07:36
But definitely not entire desktop sessions.
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07:37
<zend>
Not entire, but some... :) Licq, on example :)
07:38
For killing them i use the "xexit" utility
07:39
https://code.launchpad.net/~sbalneav/ltsp/xexit
07:39
As advised me here :-)
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13:42
<sbalneav>
Hyperbyte: Just FYI, one of the things I'm doing on the Mate desktop project is auditing the session manager to make sure it shuts things down correctly :D
13:42
<Hyperbyte>
Nice. :)
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15:32
<nosedrum>
hi everybody !
15:32
I have a graphics issue with VIA VX855 video clients
15:33
someone already have properly boot a client with VIA VX855 video (like Wyse C10)
15:33
??
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<unkmar>
I don't know.
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<nosedrum_>
nobody about graphics issues with client equiped by VIA VX855 video ??
16:03
OK mens ! It's work have to put "XSERVER = vesa" in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf instead of "XSERVER = via
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<ChadLepto>
mltngpot, hey potiie
16:11
<mltngpot>
sup chad
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