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Channel log from 24 November 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 06:20 | <akSeya> hey there!!!
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| 06:20 | how is the experience with LTSP5 and KDE4?
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| 06:29 | <cyberorg> akSeya, if you want to find out get Li-f-e, it has both http://en.opensuse.org/Education/Live
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| 06:30 | <akSeya> cyberorg, hey.. you get a life!!! =D
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| 06:31 | * cyberorg got it first, now i give it out :) | |
| 06:31 | <akSeya> ;)
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| 07:36 | <elias_a_> Hi dudes!
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| 07:38 | How do I make client with the Intel sound chip work without the mic being on full volume all the time?
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| 07:38 | This is causing ... hmm.... significant acoustic feedback and howling.
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| 07:46 | <Appiah> hmm
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| 07:47 | someone asked about volume yesterday
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| 07:47 | missed the solution =/
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| 07:47 | FRONT_MIC_VOLUME=0
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| 07:48 | in lts.conf , try that
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| 07:48 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/472935 link to bug
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| 08:18 | <sgtd> note: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream from the /topic is 404 but this appears to work http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 08:18 | well, the pdf link anyway
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| 08:46 | <stgraber> Gadi: hi, with your last change, you should check for ldm-dialog
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| 08:47 | Gadi: usually when you do rdesktop, you don't need ldm installed so you can't really assume the user will have ldm-dialog
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| 08:47 | <stgraber> (though in most case it'll be there anyway)
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| 08:48 | <Gadi> roger that
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| 08:48 | will make the change
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| 08:48 | I added the loop breaking stuff figuring you would use it in -cluster ;)
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| 08:49 | <stgraber> yep, I'll probably update it a bit so each time rdesktop exits, I check if the screen changed in the config
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| 08:49 | so one can still easily switch to ldm without rebooting
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| 08:49 | <Gadi> right
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| 08:50 | btw, perhaps instead of a check for ldm-dialog in a particular place, I should just 2>/dev/null || true
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| 08:50 | that way, if a distro puts it somewhere other than /usr/bin, we're still good
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| 08:51 | <stgraber> usually I do [ -n "$(which ldm-dialog)" ]
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| 08:51 | <Gadi> ah, ok - I guess we can assume a dependency on "which"
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| 08:51 | :)
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| 08:51 | <stgraber> though if you don't want to handle the case where it's not there, then redirecting to /dev/null should work just fine
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| 08:52 | * stgraber hasn't seen a system without "which" for a while :) | |
| 08:52 | <stgraber> hmm, it's "debianutils" providing it ...
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| 08:52 | <Gadi> I know - should be faster, tho, to >/dev/null
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| 08:52 | <stgraber> what about the RPM-based ones ?
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| 08:52 | * Gadi shrugs | |
| 08:53 | <Gadi> I think I will redirect to devnull
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| 08:53 | * ogra wonders if rpm is still an issue in LTAP at all | |
| 08:53 | <ogra> *LTSP
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| 08:53 | <ogra> seems fedora dropped most of the typical thin client arches with F12
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| 08:54 | like geode and via ...
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| 08:58 | * Gadi wonders who cares for fedora ltsp these days in general | |
| 08:58 | * Gadi hasn't seen warren in many moons | |
| 09:00 | <Gadi> hehe
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| 09:00 | * Gadi just did an evil experiment | |
| 09:00 | <Gadi> SCREEN_07=ldm; XINITRC_DAEMON=True
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| 09:01 | <jammcq> good morning amigos
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| 09:03 | <jammcq> are you abusing xatoms ?
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| 09:04 | <Gadi> shhh! not so lolud
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| 09:04 | *loud
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| 09:05 | jammcq: with my last commit I finally have my long-desired Xatom abusing performance enhancement
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| 09:05 | :)
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| 09:05 | <Gadi> bwahahaha
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| 09:06 | <jammcq> sounds rather serious
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| 09:24 | <Gadi> So, here's an interesting use case: SCREEN_07=ldm; XINITRC_DAEMON=True; LDM_AUTOLOGIN=True; XINITRC_PROMPT_ON_EXIT=True; XINITRC_COMMAND_ON_EXIT="poweroff -fp"
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| 09:32 | <ogra> wh dont you fix it properly in ldm ?
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| 09:33 | <Appiah> What's the proper way to suggest a feature to ldm? launchpad bug report?
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| 09:33 | <ogra> yes
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| 09:34 | wishlist bug against the ltsp project should work
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| 09:34 | <Appiah> can I myself set it to "wishlist" ?
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| 09:34 | <ogra> if not, someone here can
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| 09:34 | <Appiah> ah ok
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| 09:36 | <Gadi> ogra: yeah, we fixed the ldm shutdown thing - but I just added the ability to daemonize xinitrc scripts
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| 09:37 | which means we have a solution for autlogins and shutdowns, as well
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| 09:37 | <ogra> ah
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| 09:37 | <Gadi> so, you can set it to shutdown upon logout of an autologin session
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| 09:38 | which I can see as being useful in some cases
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| 09:39 | it's nice to have generalized knobs that are easily turned
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| 09:39 | :)
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| 09:39 | <ogra> indeed
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| 09:39 | i thought it was your solution to the ldm issue
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| 09:39 | <Gadi> nope
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| 09:39 | that was fixed properly
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| 09:39 | can't have bugs floating around
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| 09:39 | :)
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| 09:39 | <ogra> heh
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| 09:40 | <Gadi> this was actually a generalized way to handle rdesktop
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| 09:40 | to make it daemonize without re-xinit'ing
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| 09:40 | on idle connection timeouts
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| 09:41 | <elias_a_> Appiah: Thanks!
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| 11:19 | <akSeya> anyone from gentoo in here?
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| 11:19 | <johnny> sorta..
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| 11:20 | i know somebody is working on fixxing the ltsp-client package to pull in xorg-server
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| 11:20 | if that's the problem you're running itno
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| 11:20 | into*
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| 11:20 | <akSeya> johnny ...
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| 11:20 | hum.. nope
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| 11:20 | <johnny> akSeya, we're currently working on a real profile support
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| 11:20 | <akSeya> ltsp-build-client is failing
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| 11:20 | <johnny> yes.. that is probably why
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| 11:20 | <akSeya> looks like ldm was the problem...
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| 11:21 | <johnny> ldm probably was missing a dep that i mentioned :)
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| 11:21 | <akSeya> huum
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| 11:21 | <johnny> sorry.. i think we are adding to dep to ldm.. not ltsp-client
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| 11:21 | it is going to be fixed shortly
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| 11:21 | <akSeya> hum.. is there something I can do?
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| 11:22 | submit some log, or it wouldn't make difference?
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| 11:22 | <johnny> not really
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| 11:22 | just try back later
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| 11:22 | ask knipwim
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| 11:22 | /me pokes knipwim
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| 11:22 | did you fix the package?
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| 11:22 | <akSeya> hum.. ok ;)
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| 11:22 | <johnny> akSeya, wait for answer from knipwim
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| 11:22 | * akSeya pokes knipwim | |
| 11:23 | <johnny> one poke is enough :)
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| 11:23 | <akSeya> humm.. you were already poking..
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| 11:23 | I thoght you were telling me how to do it :D
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| 11:24 | <johnny> akSeya, next time.. use --quickstart-verbose and --quickstart-debug to see what is happening in ltsp-build-client, we are going to make that default at some point :(
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| 11:24 | <akSeya> already did it .. i like verbosing ;)
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| 11:25 | first error is here: ldm-dialog.c:(.text+0x5e): undefined reference to `gtk_label_get_current_uri'
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| 11:26 | <johnny> do you have gtk installed in there?
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| 11:26 | if not.. retry by forcing the gtk dep in ldm
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| 11:26 | unless the problem is with a too new gtk
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| 11:28 | <akSeya> johnny, is there a way to resume ltsp-build-client?
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| 11:29 | <johnny> no..
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| 11:29 | not yet
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| 11:29 | soon
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| 11:29 | as soon as we do a bit more decoupling we will mostly be able to
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| 11:29 | i mean.. if you follow all the instructions
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| 11:29 | in the part that happens after the failure in quickstart profile
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| 11:29 | and then the part after the quickstart part in ltsp-build-client plugins yes
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| 13:00 | <akuepker> Anybody been able to download a 5.4.x UNDI Etherboot image from Romomatic lately?
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| 13:57 | <GiantPickle> Hello all. I am having some problems on some thin clients that seem to be related to the keyboard. On one, I have a problem where the control key seems to stick. I can eventually get it ´un-stuck´ by hitting control-esc a few times... pretty annoying. The other problem is on a different client and on that one... if I want to type quotes for example, I have to type them twice before they appear. I have no idea if these are rel
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| 13:58 | <sbalneav> These USB or ps/2 type devices?
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| 14:00 | <GiantPickle> They are ps/2
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| 14:02 | <sbalneav> Other thin clients are working fine?
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| 14:03 | <GiantPickle> I believe so... no complaints anyway. I have 3 clients on the system... I will go check the 3rd right now.
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| 14:05 | actually, the 3rd has the same problem with having to type some things twice...
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| 14:05 | and to give you more info about that problme
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| 14:06 | <sbalneav> Ok, it's not a case of SOME of your systems are doing this. ALL of your systems are doing this, correct?
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| 14:06 | <GiantPickle> and what makes me think this particular part it is a config issue... is that if I type an apostrophe once, and then hit any letter that can have an accent on it, it gives it one.
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| 14:06 | <alkisg> grep XKB /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/default/console-setup
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| 14:07 | <GiantPickle> 1 client has the control key sticking problme
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| 14:07 | the other two have the type twice problem
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| 14:07 | XKBMODEL="pc105"
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| 14:07 | XKBLAYOUT="us"
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| 14:07 | XKBVARIANT="intl"
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| 14:07 | XKBOPTIONS="lv3:ralt_switch"
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| 14:08 | the client with the control key sticking problem does not have the type twice problem
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| 14:12 | <alkisg> GiantPickle: can you also do: grep XKB /etc/default/console-setup
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| 14:12 | <GiantPickle> XKBMODEL="pc105"
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| 14:12 | XKBLAYOUT="us"
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| 14:12 | XKBVARIANT="intl"
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| 14:12 | XKBOPTIONS="lv3:ralt_switch"
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| 14:13 | <alkisg> OK, sorry for the interruption, I don't see any problem there.
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| 14:19 | <GiantPickle> sbalneav: I don´t know if you saw above... no, 1 client has one behaviour and 2 have another
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| 14:27 | <sbalneav> Yeah, I don't know how to solve it, since I know nothing about i18n
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| 14:28 | but, if I ask the right questions, hopefully someone else will see it
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| 14:28 | and have an answer for you :)
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| 14:28 | <GiantPickle> i18n?
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| 14:28 | lost ya there
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| 14:28 | =)
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| 14:28 | <sbalneav> internationalization
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| 14:28 | i (18 letters) n
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| 14:28 | <GiantPickle> lol
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| 14:29 | <sbalneav> it's the short way to type internationalization
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| 14:29 | <GiantPickle> do I need that? or is that part of my problem?
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| 14:29 | I just need english... do not need accents
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| 14:29 | <alkisg> sbalneav: do you also have intl in your console-setup?
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| 14:29 | I think intl is for accents...
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| 14:30 | <sbalneav> alkisg's the guy to talk to, he's from greece, so ke will know more about non-us keyboards than I do.
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| 14:30 | <alkisg> I think GiantPickle *wants* a simple us keyboard :)
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| 14:31 | <GiantPickle> I do
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| 14:32 | <sbalneav> then I'd just set the XKBVARIENT to "us" as well
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| 14:33 | <alkisg> Here's what an ubuntu live cd tells me, when I select plain english:
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| 14:33 | XKBMODEL="pc105"
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| 14:33 | XKBLAYOUT="us"
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| 14:33 | XKBVARIANT=""
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| 14:34 | XKBOPTIONS=""
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| 14:34 | <GiantPickle> okay, I´ll see if that fixes that problem...
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| 14:34 | <alkisg> You can change those manually if you want, but you still have to run `sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup` after the manual change
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| 14:34 | <GiantPickle> any thoughts on the sticky control key? think it is related?
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| 14:34 | <alkisg> (in the chroot)
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| 14:35 | I'm not sure - this sounds more like either an accesibility thing, or a problematic keyboard :D
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| 14:35 | <GiantPickle> I have tried different keyboards... same problem
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| 14:36 | <alkisg> Do try to login user A in client B, to see if it's a user problem or a client problem...
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| 14:36 | <GiantPickle> k
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| 14:36 | <alkisg> (so, for the previous problem: (1) edit the file, (2) sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 dpkg-reconfigure console-setup, and (3) sudo ltsp-update-image)
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| 14:39 | <GiantPickle> /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/default/console-setup
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| 14:39 | alkisg: do I edit both of the ones you asked me to cat? or just the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/default/console-setup
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| 14:39 | <alkisg> The second one should suffice
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| 14:42 | <akuepker> I have a set of older terminals that boot fine using Etherboot 5.4.3 3c90x floppies under LTSP5 with Debian. When trying to boot from Ubuntu, I get all the dots and a 'done', and then get 'Issuing RESET:'.
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| 14:43 | <alkisg> GiantPickle: if you see that it's a user problem, instead of a client problem, then you should clear the gnome keyboard settings: gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /desktop/gnome/peripherals/keyboard
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| 14:44 | <GiantPickle> alkisg: when I run the dpkg-reconfigure... I do not have a generic 105 kb to pick.. 104 make a difference?
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| 14:44 | <alkisg> You don't see "Generic 105-key (Intl) PC" ?
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| 14:44 | It should be preselected, if you edited the file...
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| 14:45 | akuepker: is that Ubuntu 9.10?
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| 14:45 | <akuepker> yes
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| 14:45 | <alkisg> Somebody should file a bug for this... I've heard this problem 3 times already :)
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| 14:45 | (the other 2 people switched to gpxe :))
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| 14:46 | <akuepker> alkisg: how technically difficult is the migration?
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| 14:47 | <alkisg> If you're using a floppy/cd/hard disk etc, you just need one new file. If you're using a boot rom, it's harder, but I don't know the details...
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| 14:48 | <akuepker> ok. I'll look into that. We've been using a custom-compiled 5.2.2 etherboot for our 4.2/Fedora installs, but doesn't work on the new ones either and Google results indicated that the version we had might be too old.
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| 14:48 | <GiantPickle> akuepker: yeah, it is there, but I thought I didn´t want INTL
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| 14:49 | <akuepker> think you wanted alksig, not me =)
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| 14:49 | <GiantPickle> heh...yup
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| 14:49 | sry
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| 14:50 | <alkisg> akuepker: http://rom-o-matic.net/
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| 14:50 | <GiantPickle> alkisg: yeah, it is there, but I thought I didn´t want INTL
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| 14:50 | <alkisg> GiantPickle: I think that's the keyboard, not the layout...
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| 14:50 | <GiantPickle> ah
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| 14:50 | <alkisg> I think pressing enter in all the questions will be enough
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| 14:51 | (now that you edited the file...)
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| 14:51 | <akuepker> *sigh* had the site all morning and didn't notice that. not one of my better day
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| 14:51 | <GiantPickle> alkisg: it was
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| 14:51 | <alkisg> GiantPickle: ltsp-update-image, reboot client, test users on different clients .... :)
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| 14:52 | <GiantPickle> alkisg: will do
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| 14:52 | erm... am doing
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| 14:57 | <akuepker> sure enough. boots right up and into Ubuntu just fine with the gPXE
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| 14:58 | <alkisg> akuepker: do file a bug though... otherwise it'll never be solved
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| 14:58 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp
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| 14:59 | <akuepker> will do
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| 15:16 | <GiantPickle> alkisg: accent problem gone... thanks for the help on that
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| 15:16 | I'll have to keep exploring the other one though.
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| 15:17 | <alkisg> GiantPickle: is the other one a per-user problem, or a per-client problem?
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| 15:17 | <GiantPickle> I'm not sure yet... it is inconsistent and not easily reproduceable
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| 15:17 | I'm also wondering if it is only happening within an rdp session
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| 15:18 | <alkisg> GiantPickle: also, for the previous problem, if you create a new user on your server, you may also experience the problem there. So you might want to change it on the server as well...
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| 15:18 | Ah, rdp and vnc do have problems with stuck keys
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| 15:18 | <GiantPickle> ah, good point
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| 15:18 | <alkisg> It's a totally different matter
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| 15:18 | <GiantPickle> rdp/vnc problems only in conjunction with ltsp? or in general?
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| 15:19 | <alkisg> In general
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| 15:19 | <GiantPickle> I've never personally had a problem like that with rdp
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| 15:19 | the user in question has the stuck control key problem happen pretty frequently... that's why I ask
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| 15:19 | I'm also not running on a thin client
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| 15:20 | but the user is
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| 15:20 | <alkisg> Google for "rdp stuck ctrl" - you'll see lots of people with similar problems
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| 15:20 | I don't know anything more, though, like, solutions etc
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| 15:20 | <GiantPickle> alkisg: will do, thanks
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| 15:21 | alkisg: to do same for previous problem on server... same command withouth the chroot?
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| 15:21 | <alkisg> Yup, and edit the file first
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| 15:21 | <GiantPickle> right, thanks
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| 15:21 | <Gadi> GiantPickle: try passing the "-N" option to rdesktop
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| 15:21 | <alkisg> You're welcome, bye
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| 15:22 | * Gadi just caught the end of the discussion | |
| 15:22 | <alkisg> Gadi is welcome to continue the discussion :)
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| 15:22 | * alkisg calls it a day... bye all | |
| 15:22 | <Gadi> nah - I am afk a bunch today, as well
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| 15:22 | ciao alkisg
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| 15:22 | <GiantPickle> Gadi: thanks, will look into that
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