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Channel log from 24 November 2009   (all times are UTC)

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<akSeya>
hey there!!!
06:20
how is the experience with LTSP5 and KDE4?
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<cyberorg>
akSeya, if you want to find out get Li-f-e, it has both http://en.opensuse.org/Education/Live
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<akSeya>
cyberorg, hey.. you get a life!!! =D
06:31* cyberorg got it first, now i give it out :)
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<akSeya>
;)
06:31* akSeya is looking at it
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<elias_a_>
Hi dudes!
07:38
How do I make client with the Intel sound chip work without the mic being on full volume all the time?
07:38
This is causing ... hmm.... significant acoustic feedback and howling.
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<Appiah>
hmm
07:47
someone asked about volume yesterday
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missed the solution =/
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FRONT_MIC_VOLUME=0
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in lts.conf , try that
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https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/472935 link to bug
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<sgtd>
note: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream from the /topic is 404 but this appears to work http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_LtspDocumentationUpstream
08:18
well, the pdf link anyway
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<stgraber>
Gadi: hi, with your last change, you should check for ldm-dialog
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Gadi: usually when you do rdesktop, you don't need ldm installed so you can't really assume the user will have ldm-dialog
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<stgraber>
(though in most case it'll be there anyway)
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<Gadi>
roger that
08:48
will make the change
08:48
I added the loop breaking stuff figuring you would use it in -cluster ;)
08:49
<stgraber>
yep, I'll probably update it a bit so each time rdesktop exits, I check if the screen changed in the config
08:49
so one can still easily switch to ldm without rebooting
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<Gadi>
right
08:50
btw, perhaps instead of a check for ldm-dialog in a particular place, I should just 2>/dev/null || true
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that way, if a distro puts it somewhere other than /usr/bin, we're still good
08:51
<stgraber>
usually I do [ -n "$(which ldm-dialog)" ]
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<Gadi>
ah, ok - I guess we can assume a dependency on "which"
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:)
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<stgraber>
though if you don't want to handle the case where it's not there, then redirecting to /dev/null should work just fine
08:52* stgraber hasn't seen a system without "which" for a while :)
08:52
<stgraber>
hmm, it's "debianutils" providing it ...
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<Gadi>
I know - should be faster, tho, to >/dev/null
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<stgraber>
what about the RPM-based ones ?
08:52* Gadi shrugs
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<Gadi>
I think I will redirect to devnull
08:53* ogra wonders if rpm is still an issue in LTAP at all
08:53
<ogra>
*LTSP
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<ogra>
seems fedora dropped most of the typical thin client arches with F12
08:54
like geode and via ...
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08:58* Gadi wonders who cares for fedora ltsp these days in general
08:58* Gadi hasn't seen warren in many moons
09:00
<Gadi>
hehe
09:00* Gadi just did an evil experiment
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<Gadi>
SCREEN_07=ldm; XINITRC_DAEMON=True
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<jammcq>
good morning amigos
09:01* Gadi waves to jammcq
09:03* Gadi is going to be hauled away by the Xatom security police
09:03
<jammcq>
are you abusing xatoms ?
09:04
<Gadi>
shhh! not so lolud
09:04
*loud
09:05
jammcq: with my last commit I finally have my long-desired Xatom abusing performance enhancement
09:05
:)
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<Gadi>
bwahahaha
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<jammcq>
sounds rather serious
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<Gadi>
So, here's an interesting use case: SCREEN_07=ldm; XINITRC_DAEMON=True; LDM_AUTOLOGIN=True; XINITRC_PROMPT_ON_EXIT=True; XINITRC_COMMAND_ON_EXIT="poweroff -fp"
09:32
<ogra>
wh dont you fix it properly in ldm ?
09:33
<Appiah>
What's the proper way to suggest a feature to ldm? launchpad bug report?
09:33
<ogra>
yes
09:34
wishlist bug against the ltsp project should work
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<Appiah>
can I myself set it to "wishlist" ?
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<ogra>
if not, someone here can
09:34
<Appiah>
ah ok
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<Gadi>
ogra: yeah, we fixed the ldm shutdown thing - but I just added the ability to daemonize xinitrc scripts
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which means we have a solution for autlogins and shutdowns, as well
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<ogra>
ah
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<Gadi>
so, you can set it to shutdown upon logout of an autologin session
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which I can see as being useful in some cases
09:39
it's nice to have generalized knobs that are easily turned
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:)
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<ogra>
indeed
09:39
i thought it was your solution to the ldm issue
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<Gadi>
nope
09:39
that was fixed properly
09:39
can't have bugs floating around
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:)
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<ogra>
heh
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<Gadi>
this was actually a generalized way to handle rdesktop
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to make it daemonize without re-xinit'ing
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on idle connection timeouts
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<elias_a_>
Appiah: Thanks!
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<akSeya>
anyone from gentoo in here?
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<johnny>
sorta..
11:20
i know somebody is working on fixxing the ltsp-client package to pull in xorg-server
11:20
if that's the problem you're running itno
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into*
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<akSeya>
johnny ...
11:20
hum.. nope
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<johnny>
akSeya, we're currently working on a real profile support
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<akSeya>
ltsp-build-client is failing
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<johnny>
yes.. that is probably why
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<akSeya>
looks like ldm was the problem...
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<johnny>
ldm probably was missing a dep that i mentioned :)
11:21
<akSeya>
huum
11:21
<johnny>
sorry.. i think we are adding to dep to ldm.. not ltsp-client
11:21
it is going to be fixed shortly
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<akSeya>
hum.. is there something I can do?
11:22
submit some log, or it wouldn't make difference?
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<johnny>
not really
11:22
just try back later
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ask knipwim
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/me pokes knipwim
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did you fix the package?
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<akSeya>
hum.. ok ;)
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<johnny>
akSeya, wait for answer from knipwim
11:22* akSeya pokes knipwim
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<johnny>
one poke is enough :)
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<akSeya>
humm.. you were already poking..
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I thoght you were telling me how to do it :D
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<johnny>
akSeya, next time.. use --quickstart-verbose and --quickstart-debug to see what is happening in ltsp-build-client, we are going to make that default at some point :(
11:24
<akSeya>
already did it .. i like verbosing ;)
11:25
first error is here: ldm-dialog.c:(.text+0x5e): undefined reference to `gtk_label_get_current_uri'
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<johnny>
do you have gtk installed in there?
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if not.. retry by forcing the gtk dep in ldm
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unless the problem is with a too new gtk
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<akSeya>
johnny, is there a way to resume ltsp-build-client?
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<johnny>
no..
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not yet
11:29
soon
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as soon as we do a bit more decoupling we will mostly be able to
11:29
i mean.. if you follow all the instructions
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in the part that happens after the failure in quickstart profile
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and then the part after the quickstart part in ltsp-build-client plugins yes
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<akuepker>
Anybody been able to download a 5.4.x UNDI Etherboot image from Romomatic lately?
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<GiantPickle>
Hello all. I am having some problems on some thin clients that seem to be related to the keyboard. On one, I have a problem where the control key seems to stick. I can eventually get it ´un-stuck´ by hitting control-esc a few times... pretty annoying. The other problem is on a different client and on that one... if I want to type quotes for example, I have to type them twice before they appear. I have no idea if these are rel
13:58
<sbalneav>
These USB or ps/2 type devices?
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<GiantPickle>
They are ps/2
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<sbalneav>
Other thin clients are working fine?
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<GiantPickle>
I believe so... no complaints anyway. I have 3 clients on the system... I will go check the 3rd right now.
14:05
actually, the 3rd has the same problem with having to type some things twice...
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and to give you more info about that problme
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<sbalneav>
Ok, it's not a case of SOME of your systems are doing this. ALL of your systems are doing this, correct?
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<GiantPickle>
and what makes me think this particular part it is a config issue... is that if I type an apostrophe once, and then hit any letter that can have an accent on it, it gives it one.
14:06
<alkisg>
grep XKB /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/default/console-setup
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<GiantPickle>
1 client has the control key sticking problme
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the other two have the type twice problem
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XKBMODEL="pc105"
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XKBLAYOUT="us"
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XKBVARIANT="intl"
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XKBOPTIONS="lv3:ralt_switch"
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the client with the control key sticking problem does not have the type twice problem
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<alkisg>
GiantPickle: can you also do: grep XKB /etc/default/console-setup
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<GiantPickle>
XKBMODEL="pc105"
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XKBLAYOUT="us"
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XKBVARIANT="intl"
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XKBOPTIONS="lv3:ralt_switch"
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<alkisg>
OK, sorry for the interruption, I don't see any problem there.
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<GiantPickle>
sbalneav: I don´t know if you saw above... no, 1 client has one behaviour and 2 have another
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<sbalneav>
Yeah, I don't know how to solve it, since I know nothing about i18n
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but, if I ask the right questions, hopefully someone else will see it
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and have an answer for you :)
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<GiantPickle>
i18n?
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lost ya there
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=)
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<sbalneav>
internationalization
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i (18 letters) n
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<GiantPickle>
lol
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<sbalneav>
it's the short way to type internationalization
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<GiantPickle>
do I need that? or is that part of my problem?
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I just need english... do not need accents
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<alkisg>
sbalneav: do you also have intl in your console-setup?
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I think intl is for accents...
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<sbalneav>
alkisg's the guy to talk to, he's from greece, so ke will know more about non-us keyboards than I do.
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<alkisg>
I think GiantPickle *wants* a simple us keyboard :)
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<GiantPickle>
I do
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<sbalneav>
then I'd just set the XKBVARIENT to "us" as well
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<alkisg>
Here's what an ubuntu live cd tells me, when I select plain english:
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XKBMODEL="pc105"
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XKBLAYOUT="us"
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XKBVARIANT=""
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XKBOPTIONS=""
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<GiantPickle>
okay, I´ll see if that fixes that problem...
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<alkisg>
You can change those manually if you want, but you still have to run `sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup` after the manual change
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<GiantPickle>
any thoughts on the sticky control key? think it is related?
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<alkisg>
(in the chroot)
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I'm not sure - this sounds more like either an accesibility thing, or a problematic keyboard :D
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<GiantPickle>
I have tried different keyboards... same problem
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<alkisg>
Do try to login user A in client B, to see if it's a user problem or a client problem...
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<GiantPickle>
k
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<alkisg>
(so, for the previous problem: (1) edit the file, (2) sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 dpkg-reconfigure console-setup, and (3) sudo ltsp-update-image)
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<GiantPickle>
/opt/ltsp/i386/etc/default/console-setup
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alkisg: do I edit both of the ones you asked me to cat? or just the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/default/console-setup
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<alkisg>
The second one should suffice
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<akuepker>
I have a set of older terminals that boot fine using Etherboot 5.4.3 3c90x floppies under LTSP5 with Debian. When trying to boot from Ubuntu, I get all the dots and a 'done', and then get 'Issuing RESET:'.
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<alkisg>
GiantPickle: if you see that it's a user problem, instead of a client problem, then you should clear the gnome keyboard settings: gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /desktop/gnome/peripherals/keyboard
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<GiantPickle>
alkisg: when I run the dpkg-reconfigure... I do not have a generic 105 kb to pick.. 104 make a difference?
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<alkisg>
You don't see "Generic 105-key (Intl) PC" ?
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It should be preselected, if you edited the file...
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akuepker: is that Ubuntu 9.10?
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<akuepker>
yes
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<alkisg>
Somebody should file a bug for this... I've heard this problem 3 times already :)
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(the other 2 people switched to gpxe :))
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<akuepker>
alkisg: how technically difficult is the migration?
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<alkisg>
If you're using a floppy/cd/hard disk etc, you just need one new file. If you're using a boot rom, it's harder, but I don't know the details...
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<akuepker>
ok. I'll look into that. We've been using a custom-compiled 5.2.2 etherboot for our 4.2/Fedora installs, but doesn't work on the new ones either and Google results indicated that the version we had might be too old.
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<GiantPickle>
akuepker: yeah, it is there, but I thought I didn´t want INTL
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<akuepker>
think you wanted alksig, not me =)
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<GiantPickle>
heh...yup
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sry
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<alkisg>
akuepker: http://rom-o-matic.net/
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<GiantPickle>
alkisg: yeah, it is there, but I thought I didn´t want INTL
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<alkisg>
GiantPickle: I think that's the keyboard, not the layout...
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<GiantPickle>
ah
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<alkisg>
I think pressing enter in all the questions will be enough
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(now that you edited the file...)
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<akuepker>
*sigh* had the site all morning and didn't notice that. not one of my better day
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<GiantPickle>
alkisg: it was
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<alkisg>
GiantPickle: ltsp-update-image, reboot client, test users on different clients .... :)
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<GiantPickle>
alkisg: will do
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erm... am doing
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<akuepker>
sure enough. boots right up and into Ubuntu just fine with the gPXE
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<alkisg>
akuepker: do file a bug though... otherwise it'll never be solved
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https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp
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<akuepker>
will do
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<GiantPickle>
alkisg: accent problem gone... thanks for the help on that
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I'll have to keep exploring the other one though.
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<alkisg>
GiantPickle: is the other one a per-user problem, or a per-client problem?
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<GiantPickle>
I'm not sure yet... it is inconsistent and not easily reproduceable
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I'm also wondering if it is only happening within an rdp session
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<alkisg>
GiantPickle: also, for the previous problem, if you create a new user on your server, you may also experience the problem there. So you might want to change it on the server as well...
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Ah, rdp and vnc do have problems with stuck keys
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<GiantPickle>
ah, good point
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<alkisg>
It's a totally different matter
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<GiantPickle>
rdp/vnc problems only in conjunction with ltsp? or in general?
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<alkisg>
In general
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<GiantPickle>
I've never personally had a problem like that with rdp
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the user in question has the stuck control key problem happen pretty frequently... that's why I ask
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I'm also not running on a thin client
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but the user is
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<alkisg>
Google for "rdp stuck ctrl" - you'll see lots of people with similar problems
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I don't know anything more, though, like, solutions etc
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<GiantPickle>
alkisg: will do, thanks
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alkisg: to do same for previous problem on server... same command withouth the chroot?
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<alkisg>
Yup, and edit the file first
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<GiantPickle>
right, thanks
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<Gadi>
GiantPickle: try passing the "-N" option to rdesktop
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<alkisg>
You're welcome, bye
15:22* Gadi just caught the end of the discussion
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<alkisg>
Gadi is welcome to continue the discussion :)
15:22* alkisg calls it a day... bye all
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<Gadi>
nah - I am afk a bunch today, as well
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ciao alkisg
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<GiantPickle>
Gadi: thanks, will look into that
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<nikolam>
i am running client on virtualboh with bridge networking and host with ubuntu 8.04 on other machine. I only get busybox prompt after booting
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