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Channel log from 1 June 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<daya>
I have the follwing error in clinet system,
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TFTP Prefix: /ltsp/i386
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Trying to load:pxelinux.cfg/01-00-13.................
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in ltsp 5.0, any solution,
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<ringlej>
I'm trying to get LTSP working on Ubuntu fiesty. However when a client connects I get as far as the splash screen showing, but then after 20-30 seconds, I go back to a text mode screen with no further output.
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<_ringlej>
I'm trying to get LTSP working on Ubuntu fiesty. However when a client connects I get as far as the splash screen showing, but then after 20-30 seconds, I go back to a text mode screen with no further output.
02:24
<daya>
how to run tftp , tftpd-hpa either thru inetd or daemno
02:26
<vagrantc>
daya: on debian?
02:26
daya: i have never had to do anything other than install the package.
02:26
<daya>
vagrantc, hi,
02:27
vagrantc, I have gone thru it from yesterday , still facing problem
02:28
root@nepalinux:etc# ps aux | grep tftp
02:28
root 8042 0.0 0.2 2176 776 pts/2 S+ 13:11 0:00 grep tftp
02:28
root@nepalinux:etc# dpkg -l | grep tftp
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ii tftpd-hpa 0.43-1.1 HPA's tftp server
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root@nepalinux:etc#
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<vagrantc>
grep tftp /etc/inetd.conf
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ps aux | egrep ined
02:29
er
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ps aux | egrep inetd
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<_ringlej>
sudo netstat -anlp|grep udp|grep 69
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<daya>
root@nepalinux:~# grep tftp /etc/inetd.conf
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tftp dgram udp wait root /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /var/lib/tftpboot
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root@nepalinux:~#
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<vagrantc>
daya: try the netstat above
02:35
<daya>
oh,
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root@nepalinux:~# netstat -anlp|grep udp|grep 69
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udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:69 0.0.0.0:* 2340/inetd
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<vagrantc>
daya: grep filename /etc/*/dhcpd.conf
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<_ringlej>
Looks like tftp server is running with the root for tftp at /var/lib/tftpboot/
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<vagrantc>
which is how it's supposed to be run on debian.
02:39
<daya>
root@nepalinux:~# grep filename /etc/*/dhcpd.conf
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filename "/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0";
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filename "/ltsp/i386/nbi.img";
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<vagrantc>
looks good
02:39
daya: ok ... so what's your error?
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<_ringlej>
daya: ls /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/
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<vagrantc>
ogra: heya.
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<daya>
root@nepalinux:~# ls /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/
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System.map-2.6.18-4-486 initrd.img nbi.img pxelinux.0 vmlinuz
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config-2.6.18-4-486 initrd.img-2.6.18-4-486 nbi.img-2.6.18-4-486 pxelinux.cfg vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-486
02:44
my error is I can't get tftp in ps aux , and the clinet just hangs saying, Trying to load:pxelinux.cfg/coa890..
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so I think it is the error of the tftp
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<vagrantc>
daya: what is your PXE version ?
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daya: is this an older computer?
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<vagrantc>
daya: or older network card?
02:45
<daya>
no, my computer is new,
02:45
vagrantc, It is enabled with network boot,
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<vagrantc>
well, if it's trying to load the pxelinux.cfg, that much is clear :P
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daya: grep tftp /var/log/syslog
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daya: if it's really long, paste it to the pastebot
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!pastebot
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<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
02:47
<daya>
:) ok
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<ltsppbot>
"daya" pasted "root@nepalinux:~# grep tftp /v" (9 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/154
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<daya>
vagrantc, I am really confused whether to run tftp through inetd or daemon,
02:49
<vagrantc>
daya: and we'll keep telling you to run it through inetd
02:49
<daya>
:D , ok :)
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<vagrantc>
unless you have thousands of clients booting simultaneously, there's not much reason to run it as standalone
02:51
i don't recall seeing those "tftp: client does not accept options" errors before.
02:51
hrm.
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<daya>
do I again remove tftpd-hpa and install it again,
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?
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<vagrantc>
well, seeing as you have it configured exactly the same way i do, i don't see what that would help
02:53
daya: what inetd are you using?
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dpkg -l '*inetd*'
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<daya>
root@nepalinux:~# dpkg -l | grep inetd
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rc netkit-inetd 0.10-10.3 The Internet Superserver
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ii openbsd-inetd 0.20050402-6 The OpenBSD Internet Superserver
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ii update-inetd 4.27-0.5 inetd.conf updater
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<vagrantc>
looks real familiar
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daya: do you have another thin client to test?
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<daya>
vagrantc, can'
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't i use the same by restaring, or do i need extra,
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<vagrantc>
daya: a different piece of hardware
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<daya>
oh, I have another well supporting pxeboot, do i need to test on it,
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<vagrantc>
daya: because the configuration seems fine.
02:57
<daya>
oh, no different hardware, they have same archi,
02:57
<vagrantc>
daya: so i start to suspect hardware.
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<daya>
vagrantc, if my tftp is running , can't I see in ps aux , or it is automatically started by inetd. :D
02:58
<vagrantc>
daya: it gets started by inetd when a connection is made
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<daya>
vagrantc, but earlier some others guys have solved this problem by running tftp in daemon mode,
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<vagrantc>
well then, try it in daemon mode.
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<daya>
vagrantc, and i got the error, nfs over tcp failed,
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<vagrantc>
daya: or try atftpd
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<daya>
vagrantc, do i have to remove tftpd-hpa ,before using atftpd
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<vagrantc>
daya: installing atftpd will remove tftpd-hpa
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<daya>
in daemon mode also this is not working,
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ok
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<vagrantc>
try atftpd
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<daya>
do i have to run it also as inetd
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<vagrantc>
you can run it however you want. but i've never needed to run tftpds in daemon mode
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<daya>
what base directory should i give,
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<vagrantc>
/var/lib/tftpboot
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<daya>
ok
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<vagrantc>
everything else should be defaults
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<daya>
vagrantc, should I now check in client, with a big hope,
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<vagrantc>
go for it :)
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<daya>
no it doesn'
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t work
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same error,
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<vagrantc>
try atftpd in daemon mode ...
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<daya>
do i have to just make false in "USE_INETD"
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<vagrantc>
dpkg-reconfigure atftpd
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use the default answer for everything except the one question about weather to run from inetd
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<daya>
ok
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vagrantc, now should it show in ps aux or, not when i run it as daemon,
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I an
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can't get in ps aux
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<vagrantc>
if it's running in daemon mode, it should show in "ps aux" output, yes.
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if no
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try: invoke-rc.d atftpd restart
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<daya>
yes, now it show in ps aux but previous error, Trying to load:pxelinux.cfg appear again,
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<vagrantc>
daya: do you have a firewall running on your system?
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<daya>
no,
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<vagrantc>
daya: iptables -Ln
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<daya>
vagrantc, it shows nothing,
03:23* vagrantc finds that extremely hard to believe
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<vagrantc>
daya: you mean it outputs absolutely nothing?
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<daya>
vagrantc, actually it is our own system, based on debian, so iptabled module is not enabled in kernal
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FATAL: Module ip_tables not found
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<vagrantc>
ok
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daya: do you use a custom kernel ?
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<daya>
yes, some what modified,
03:25
does it affect in ltsp,
03:25
ltsp uses its own, isn't it?
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<vagrantc>
maybe.
03:25
no, but it could affect what networking protocols are available on your server...
03:26
but you're saying it "used to work" ?
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what changed since then?
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hmmm... you're actually getting as far as loading pxelinux.0 ..... it's just hanging on loading pxelinux.cfg/.... right?
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<daya>
vagrantc, yes,
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<vagrantc>
ok, so tftp is actually working, then.
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<daya>
vagrantc, but we previously have gone beyonnd that,
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<vagrantc>
this is most perplexing
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<daya>
yes, this time tftp is running, show in ps aux
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<vagrantc>
yes, well, that it's even getting to the point where it's trying to load pxelinux.cfg/... is demonstrating that tftp was working fine the whole time.
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<daya>
then, where is the error point,
03:31
:D
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<vagrantc>
i'd wager to blame your hardware.
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or an incompatibility with syslinux/pxelinux and your hardware
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<daya>
no, previous version of ltsp was supported by this hardware
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<vagrantc>
just because a previous version works doesn't mean a newer version works.
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<daya>
ok
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<vagrantc>
try the pxelinux from your previous version
03:35
there's nothing LTSP-specific about your problem yet, mind you.
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<daya>
ok
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<vagrantc>
so far ... you've made a DHCP request, downloaded pxelinux over TFTP, and then pxelinux fails to download it's configuration file(s)
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<daya>
vagrantc, now i met to the yesterday's error
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<vagrantc>
what did you change?
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<daya>
vagrantc, I put next-server 192.168.2.9;
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in dhcpd.conf file, 2.9 is ip of ltsp server,
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<vagrantc>
your dhcp server is on a different machine than your tftp/nfs server ?
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<new2linux>
Hello all, I am having some trouble getting LTSP 6 Running. Would there be anyone that could give me some advice ? It went through the GUI installer when it reboots it comes up with a GRUB> Console screen and stops there. Any help would be much appreciate.
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<daya>
no,
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<vagrantc>
oh, right. yes. next-server is needed.
03:43
so now we're back to where we were....
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new2linux: your problem must be you're running sofware from the future. LTSP 5 is just released :P
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<daya>
vagrantc, is there is any solution for the problem :"NFS over TCP failed"
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<new2linux>
Oh ok, I downloading all 7 cds last night.
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<vagrantc>
new2linux: do you mean K12LTSP ?
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<new2linux>
Yes sorry that is what i mean
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In that case i think i may be in the wrong channel.
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<new2linux>
Is there anywhere that you could advise me to get some help from? thanks
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<_ringlej>
I finally was able to get ltsp to come up all the way to a login screen. (I had to put "ip=<client-ip>:<server-ip> nfsroot=/opt/ltsp/i386" in lts.conf), but now I can't login.
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<ogra>
ergh, vagrantc why dont i have a default lts.conf anymore in a fresh install
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uuh, and why does my dhcpd.conf have next-server in it ?
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<ogra>
vagrantc, did anything in the plugin handling change ? seems a bunch od the Ubuntu plugins isnt executed
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<_ringlej>
How are users added in ltsp? Do I have to chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 to do this?
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<vagrantc>
ogra: nothing to my knowledge
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<ogra>
hmm, weird
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<vagrantc>
run manually with --debug ?
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<ogra>
there is nothing special in them ...
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<vagrantc>
ogra: we need next-server due to dhcp3-server more strictly complying with RFC's, unless y'all patched dhcp3-server
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<ogra>
ah, right, i have to rebuild anyway, usplash is fixed
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vagrantc, we did, since that strictness was a feature introduced without a bigger version jump, it breaks on many setups that use old configs witout warning
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(ubuntu technical board decision back in breezy)
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<vagrantc>
ogra: ok.
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ogra: ah, well, we'll need next-server for debian ...
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<ogra>
right
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<vagrantc>
it shouldn't break anything... though annoying to have to edit one more value in the file if your network is different.
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<ogra>
can your controlgen create .install files ?
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or modify
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<_ringlej>
I thought my question was pretty basic "How are users added in ltsp?". If this isn't an easy question to answer, then I must be doing something teribly wrong...
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<vagrantc>
ogra: no, it just handles control ... controlgen -> control generation
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<ogra>
ah well
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<daya>
_ringlej, just useradd, normal process should work
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<ogra>
_ringlej, the pretty basic answer is there are no users "in ltsp"
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<vagrantc>
_ringlej: your question should be more "How do i add user in your distro"
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<ogra>
you have only users on the server, maintain them there as normal local users
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<_ringlej>
so, why would ltsp client login reject my trying to login using a normal user I had created on the server?
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<ogra>
_ringlej, which ltsp version ?
04:07
on what distro ?
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<_ringlej>
ltsp-5 from Ubuntu fiesty
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<ogra>
run sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys and try again
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<vagrantc>
ogra: we've been seeing this problem a lot lately.
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<ogra>
strange, isnt it ?
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<vagrantc>
it certainly doesn't make me happy.
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<ogra>
people change their IP data like mad :P
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<_ringlej>
didn't help
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<vagrantc>
ogra: but shoudn't the hooks to ifupdown take care of that ?
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<ogra>
_ringlej, then check ~/.xsession-errors of the user you tried to log in with
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vagrantc, well, they should, the thing is that there is network manager :P it doesnt care about much of the stuff in /etc
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<vagrantc>
ogra: so ... http://www.ubuntu.com/products/WhatIsUbuntu/serveredition suggests that LTSP is included in ubuntu server ... which seems a bit misleading
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<ogra>
vagrantc, well, it will be
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and you have the opportunity to run ltsp-client-builder from the CD
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in expert mode
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<vagrantc>
ogra: well, then the download link shouldn't point somewhere where it isn't ...
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<ltsppbot>
"_ringlej" pasted "ringlej@crossdevserver:~$ cat" (6 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/155
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<ogra>
i'll tell the marketing guys
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<vagrantc>
ogra: yeah, i've heard a couple complaints about that in the channel ... though maybe both from the same person.
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<ogra>
_ringlej, did you install ltsp on an ubuntu server install ?
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<_ringlej>
yes: sudo ltsp-server
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<ogra>
vagrantc, yes, he's in #edubuntu as well :)
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<vagrantc>
ogra: heh.
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<_ringlej>
err i mean sudo apt-get install ltsp-server
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<ogra>
_ringlej, ltsp needs a desktop to log in to
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<vagrantc>
ogra: and the current issue seems to be a problem
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ogra: possibly :)
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<ogra>
_ringlej, a) you should have followed https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall , b) run: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
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<vagrantc>
ogra: maybe the installing ubuntu-desktop should be added to the quickinstall page ?
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<ogra>
vagrantc, nope
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<_ringlej>
sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop is missing
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<ogra>
but i can make a subpage
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<_ringlej>
from LTSPQuickInstall
04:14
<ogra>
nope
04:14
the quickinstall guide is for a normal ubuntu install
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<vagrantc>
whatever :P
04:14
<ogra>
i'll add a subpage with a hint
04:15* ogra wants to avoid that the quickinstall page goes the way of the thin client howto
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<vagrantc>
ogra: ok, but put a hint at the very top of quickinstall pointing to that hint ... i.e. (if[ installing from ubuntu-server])
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<_ringlej>
It seems though that a desktop is required in order to have a working ltsp then it should be part of the install instructions.
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<vagrantc>
(or even package dependencies)
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<vagrantc>
ogra: would it be so bad to add ubuntu-desktop | foo-desktop to the ltsp-server-standalone dependencies ?
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<ogra>
vagrantc, well, i coudlnt add stuff like icewm to that
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<vagrantc>
ogra: and with controlgen, no worries :P
04:17
ogra: i'll handle it sanely debian-side ...
04:17
<ogra>
but i cant :P
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<_ringlej>
The other problem that I had earlier is that I would hang on the line IP-Config:. and I got around this by putting static ip address on the kernel parameter ip=<client-ip>:<server-ip>. I don't know why I couldn't get a dhcp address at this point.
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<vagrantc>
ogra: or are you saying you want to be able to install icewm ?
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ogra: i think ubuntu-desktop | *-desktop | x-window-manager would be sufficient, then.
04:19
<ogra>
_ringlej, do you run a second dhcp server in your network ?
04:19
<_ringlej>
Yes.
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<ogra>
_ringlej, that doesnt work
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<vagrantc>
bam.
04:19
<_ringlej>
I have dhcp server uninstall on the ltsp sever
04:19
ok.
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<vagrantc>
ogra: we really need to start making checklists for some of these common problems.
04:19
<ogra>
ah, ok
04:20
then you need to configure the other dhcp server for netbooting
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<_ringlej>
I did.
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<vagrantc>
ogra: while i'm pretty familiar with troubleshooting them now, once in a while i forget some important step.
04:20
<_ringlej>
I gets by the PXE stuff ok.
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<ogra>
so that iut tells the clients where to get kernel and root directory
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<vagrantc>
_ringlej: yes, but then a second DHCP request is made, and your DHCP servers need to pass root-path and next-server there too.
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<_ringlej>
Hmm. My other dhcp server is dnsmasq...
04:21
Oh. ok.
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<vagrantc>
(maybe not next-server)
04:21* vagrantc likes dnsmasq
04:26* vagrantc ponders the recent report to http://bugs.debian.org/395145
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<ogra>
hrm, the RC cleanup plugin wasnt run either
04:30
whats wrong here ... grr
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<vagrantc>
ogra: you've got the lsb_release stuff in there ?
04:30
ogra: maybe somehow it's not working ?
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<ogra>
dunno, i didnt change anythion and the diff between the branches didnt indicate weird changes
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<vagrantc>
ogra: did you run manually with --debug ?
04:31
_ringlej: you're probably going to save yourself a lot of headache by only running one dhcp server.
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<ogra>
vagrantc, not yet
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<_ringlej>
vagrantc: I am running only one dhcp server. It's just not running on the ltsp server.
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<vagrantc>
_ringlej: if it's dnsmasq, take a look at: /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/examples/dhcpd-dnsmasq
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<vagrantc>
_ringlej: although i don't know wha the dhcp-option number is for next-server, which you'd need.
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<wf_c0d3r>
i do have a problem in implementing ltsp
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<wf_c0d3r>
when i boot the workstation it cannot pass through the tftp server
04:42* vagrantc is weary of tftp problems today
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<daya>
vagrantc, that problem is solved, my kernel was the issue,
05:03
vagrantc, I installed debian kernel the problem is solved , but now another arises,
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It doesn't detect the keyboard,
05:03
presenting to the loing screen
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<ogra>
do you mean the layout is wrong, or there is no resoponse at all
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<daya>
no I finally presented to login menu, but in the middle of the scroll messages it says in warning some file is missing
05:05
<ogra>
so in the login window, can you type ?
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<daya>
no,
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<Lambda]>
hi everybody
05:07
anyone know if http://www.realtek.com.tw/products/productsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=14&PFid=6&Level=5&Conn=4&ProdID=16 is PXE bootable
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<daya>
ogra, it says that configruation is wrong,
05:07
<Lambda]>
Reatltek 8139
05:07
<ogra>
the login window says the configuration is wrong ???
05:08
<daya>
ogra, no in an error prompt,
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<vagrantc>
daya: please be specific, and type exactly what it says if at all possible.
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<daya>
in the login window
05:08
<ogra>
Lambda], mine in my laptop is
05:09
<Lambda]>
great
05:10
ogra, with no eprom flash ?
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05:11
<ogra>
Lambda], i didnt disassemble my laptop yet, no idea :)
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05:11
<ogra>
ogra@laptop:~/devel$ lspci|grep Realtek
05:11
05:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)
05:12
<Lambda]>
same as me
05:12
<ogra>
thats all i can give you ... and the info that it netboots fine for me with PXE
05:12
<Lambda]>
nice recommandation
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05:15
<daya>
vagrantc, configuration is incorrect, configuration file contains invalid command line for the login dialog,
05:15
but I can use my mouse,
05:16* ogra wonders what could write that message ... thats surely not ldm
05:17
<daya>
ogra, do I need to install ldm
05:17
<vagrantc>
daya: ok, in the server, dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l ldm
05:17
<daya>
ogra, but i have already insalled ltsp-server,
05:18
<ltsppbot>
"daya" pasted "root@nepalinux:~# dpkg --root=" (7 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/156
05:19
<vagrantc>
daya: grep SCREEN /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
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05:21
<daya>
SCREEN_01 = startx
05:21
<ogra>
aha
05:21
so its not ldm then
05:22
check your gdm.conf on the server i'd say
05:22
<daya>
ogra, that means I doon
05:22
<ogra>
did you edit that maually instead of using gdmsetup ?
05:22
<daya>
no
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05:31
<ltsppbot>
"daya" pasted "lts.conf file" (8 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/157
05:32
<daya>
vagrantc, do i need to add some section in configruation file lts.conf,
05:33
<ogra>
drop the SCREEN line and reboot the client, see if it works ten
05:33
*then
05:33
<vagrantc>
daya: i'd just remove everything.
05:33
<ogra>
but surely something with your gdm setup on the server is wrong
05:34
<vagrantc>
daya: remove the file entirely. there's nothing in there that shouldn't be automatically detected.
05:34
ah.
05:34
SCREEN_01 through SCREEN_06 should not be used on debian
05:34
use SCREEN_07
05:35
<ogra>
oh ?
05:35
why is that ?
05:35
<vagrantc>
because init spawns gettys
05:35* ogra can use 01-07 just fine
05:35
<ogra>
but then ubuntu uses upstart
05:36* vagrantc suspects SCREEN_01 is off limits, from looking at ubuntu's scripts
05:36
<daya>
do i need to change it to 7
05:36
<ogra>
and only has one tty
05:36
daya, for now just remove the file and boot a client
05:36
<daya>
ogra,ok
05:37
<vagrantc>
ogra: in 010-cleanup-consoles it only does: rm $ROOT/etc/event.d/tty[2-6]
05:37
i suspect SCREEN_01 will still break things
05:37
<ogra>
nope
05:37
01 isnt needed after boot anymore
05:38
<vagrantc>
ah, ok.
05:38
<ogra>
its only needed for /dev/console during boot
05:38
else upstart is unhappy
05:38
<daya>
thanx ogra
05:38
ogra: its success
05:38
<ogra>
:)
05:38
<daya>
ogra: thanx
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<test_>
vagrantc, ogra it worked!
05:39
test_, this is daya as test
05:40
<vagrantc>
we are in the horrible position of there being lots of incompatible 4.2 documentation out there that gets people into all sorts of trouble.
05:40
<test_>
vagrantc, ogra this is daya as test from thin client :)
05:40
<vagrantc>
test_: i guessed as much :P
05:40* ogra waves to test_
05:40
<ogra>
vagrantc, well ... what do we do about that ?
05:41
<vagrantc>
ogra: we can add compatibility layers ... we can improve our documentation ... we could take down wiki.ltsp.org :)
05:41
<ogra>
ugh
05:41
<vagrantc>
heh
05:42
<ogra>
how do i get hanging aoround XDMCP sessions to die ?
05:42
<test_>
vagrantc, ogra a good documentation would be great!
05:42
<vagrantc>
ogra: kill the display manager ?
05:42
<ogra>
ogra@laptop:~$ sudo netstat -anp |grep X11|wc -l
05:42
33
05:42
grmbl
05:43
it refuses new connections
05:43
i wonder why it leaves them open first place
05:43
<vagrantc>
ogra: is this really XDMCP, or the LDM_DIRECTX stuff ?
05:43
<dan__t>
*yawn*
05:43
what
05:43
<ogra>
vagrantc, killing gdm is no option
05:43
<dan__t>
er, what's up kids.
05:43
<ogra>
vagrantc, its real XDMCP
05:43
testing the e2300
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<ogra>
running ldm there in the current state is insane
05:44
<vagrantc>
got it
05:44
<dan__t>
I'm testing MS Office Accounting Professional 207
05:44
2007, rather.
05:44
<ogra>
and for measuring i try to use the same setup as 42 as well
05:44
*4.2
05:44
<dan__t>
To see if the upgrade from 2006 -> 2007 is worth it.
05:45* vagrantc wonders a little about dan__t
05:45
<dan__t>
I know, I know :(
05:45
Gotta figure something out here.
05:46
<daya>
ogra, vagrantc thanks a lot , now our debian based distros is ltsp enabled?, really thanks a lot
05:46
<vagrantc>
dan__t: you're not running this in an LTSP environment, are you? :P
05:46
<dan__t>
Actually. heh
05:46
<daya>
ogra, we are now going to implement it in our remote sites,
05:46
<dan__t>
I'd like to. rdesktop inside of a vt to a win2k3 server
05:48
Anyone here doing much work at all with 5.0 under fc7?
05:48
<daya>
vagrantc, but one issue, can't the client shutdown his system ?
05:48
do it has to be done manually,
05:48
by pressing powerbutton,
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<vagrantc>
dan__t: there is no 5.0 under fc7, as far as i know.
05:57
dan__t: other than using tarballs of ubuntu or debian
05:57
<dan__t>
ahh
05:57
<vagrantc>
!tarball
05:58
<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: "tarball" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5TarballInstructions
05:58
<dan__t>
tarballs are like wearing your friend's pair of dirty socks
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05:58
<meetpai>
./#nepalinux
05:59
<_ringlej>
vagrantc: I thought it would have been enough to install icewm to be able to login, but this doesn't seem to be enough. I still can't login. Do I really need to install ubunut-desktop? Is there something more lightweight I can install?
05:59
<vagrantc>
dan__t: we tried to get the fedora folks to work on it, but haven't heard much.
05:59
<dan__t>
No worries.
05:59
I understand
06:00
<vagrantc>
_ringlej: you installed it on the server, right?
06:00
<_ringlej>
Yes
06:00
<vagrantc>
_ringlej: dpkg -l x11-common icewm
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06:00
<vagrantc>
_ringlej: ls -l /etc/X11/Xsession
06:01
<_ringlej>
$ ls -l /etc/X11/Xsession
06:01
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4157 2007-02-20 03:56 /etc/X11/Xsession
06:02
<vagrantc>
_ringlej: look in ~/.xsession-errors
06:02
see if there's anything revealing there
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<vagrantc>
_ringlej: dpkg -l ltsp*
06:03
<ltsppbot>
"_ringlej" pasted "ringlej@crossdevserver:/opt/lt" (8 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/158
06:04
"_ringlej" pasted "Xsession: X session started fo" (8 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/159
06:05
<vagrantc>
dpkg -l '*ssh*'
06:05
<ltsppbot>
"_ringlej" pasted "$ dpkg -l ltsp* Desired=Unknow" (9 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/160
06:06
"_ringlej" pasted "$ dpkg -l '*ssh*' Desired=Unkn" (17 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/161
06:06
<vagrantc>
grep LOCALDEV /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
06:06
<_ringlej>
$ grep LOCALDEV /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
06:06
LOCALDEV=True
06:06
<vagrantc>
install ltspfs on the server
06:07
<ogra>
but thats not his prob
06:07
see the .xsession-errors
06:07
<vagrantc>
yeah, i saw it
06:07
<ogra>
DISPLAY isnt set
06:07
why ever
06:07
<vagrantc>
grep X11 /etc/ssh/sshd_config
06:08
<ogra>
hmm, its usually on by default on any ubuntu install ...
06:08
<_ringlej>
$ grep X11 /etc/ssh/sshd_config
06:08
<vagrantc>
and it usually works by default, too :P
06:08
<_ringlej>
X11Forwarding yes
06:08
X11DisplayOffset 10
06:09
<vagrantc>
hrm.
06:10
_ringlej: well, no idea if it will fix it, but try installing ltspfs
06:10
<_ringlej>
I just did. I didn't help
06:10
<vagrantc>
hrm.
06:11
grep SCREEN /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
06:11
<_ringlej>
That's something I was messing with:
06:11
$ grep SCREEN /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
06:11
SCREEN_7=ldm
06:11
<ogra>
thats the default
06:11
<vagrantc>
should be fine ..
06:11
<ogra>
no need to explicitly set it
06:12* vagrantc is, yet again, stumped
06:12
<ogra>
paste the whole file
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<vagrantc>
_ringlej: can you ssh to your server from another machine ?
06:12
<ogra>
grmbl
06:13
<vagrantc>
_ringlej: and if so, can you ssh -X from another machine, and run xeyes or something
06:13
<ltsppbot>
"_ringlej" pasted "lts.conf" (20 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/162
06:14
<ogra>
_ringlej, remove al stuff you added
06:14
SOUND=True, LOCALDEV=True, NBD_SWAP=True, SYSLOG=server should suffice
06:15
most of the other stuff wouldnt work anyway
06:17* ogra wonders why apparently nobody ever reads the header of that file
06:17
<ogra>
or the doc it points to
06:17
<_ringlej>
Ok. I have lts.conf with what ogra says, but the problem persists.
06:17
<ogra>
can you try what vagrantc suggested ?
06:18
<vagrantc>
ssh -X xeyes
06:18
from another machine
06:18
<ogra>
ssh -X user@server xterm or so
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06:18
<ogra>
vagrantc, i dont think xeyes is there :)
06:18
<vagrantc>
ogra: realyl ?
06:18
<ogra>
oh it is ...
06:19
i thought we dropped it ...
06:19
<_ringlej>
xeyes is not installled. I'm installing xterm to try...
06:19
<vagrantc>
_ringlej: dpkg -l xbase-clients
06:19
<ogra>
sicne all unused stuff was wiped from our packages once
06:19
but we synced the debian xorg packags last release to be on par package wise
06:19
<_ringlej>
It compained that DISPLAY was not set
06:20
<vagrantc>
_ringlej: dpkg -l xbase-clients
06:20
<_ringlej>
Not installed...
06:20
<vagrantc>
install it
06:20* vagrantc hums a little tune about ldm-server
06:20
<ogra>
apt-get install ubuntu-desktop *sigh*
06:20
icewm is in unverse for a reason
06:21
<_ringlej>
ubuntu-desktop carries too much baggage for my liking...
06:21
<vagrantc>
or, i guess if he wanted a lightweight one ... xubuntu-desktop
06:21
<ogra>
or apt-get install xubuntu-desktop if you are concerned about size
06:21
<vagrantc>
though it's still huge
06:21
<ogra>
well, its the ubuntu way either go with whats working or know your way around
06:22
<cliebow_>
ogra:perhaps we need a disclaimer on wiki.ltsp.org....or pointer to the right stuff?
06:22
<ogra>
poking around for a week to find all needed deps for icewm and get it running is really a waste
06:22
<vagrantc>
xbase-clients
06:22
<_ringlej>
Ok. after installing xbase-clients, I can launch a xterm from ssh -X
06:22
<ogra>
unless you know what you need or have a howto
06:22
ok
06:22
now try from ldm
06:23
<_ringlej>
Yes. it works now!!
06:23
thanks
06:23
<vagrantc>
_ringlej: which did you do?
06:23
<ogra>
xbase-clients
06:23
<_ringlej>
xbase-clients
06:24* vagrantc adds xbase-clients to ltsp-server-standalone for debian
06:24
<_ringlej>
You should add it to ltsp-server too
06:24
<vagrantc>
no
06:24
ltsp-server is only supposed to provide the NFS/TFTP depedencies
06:24
<_ringlej>
ok.
06:24
<ogra>
vagrantc, add it to both
06:24
(distors)
06:25
*distros
06:25
<cliebow_>
8`)
06:25
<vagrantc>
ogra: ok.
06:25
<cliebow_>
maybe you need two--classmates..one for each hand
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06:25
<ogra>
heh
06:26
<vagrantc>
ogra: should ltsp-serer-standalone have hard dependencies on the server-side sound stuff ?
06:26
ogra: or were you saying pulse somehow magically is all handled client-side ?
06:26
<ogra>
right
06:26
libasound2-plugins is what you need server side
06:26
and for gnome libgstreamer-plugins-pulse0.10-0
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06:27
<ogra>
but tha not mandatory
06:27
*thats
06:27
<vagrantc>
ogra: should i add the libgstreamer-plugins-pulse0.10-0 to recommends?
06:27
<ogra>
not for ubuntu :)
06:27
do as you like for debian
06:28* vagrantc guesses there's no real reason to split ldm-server until there's actual support for multiple login servers
06:28
<vagrantc>
well, actually you can set it on a per-client basis ...
06:32* ogra just read his mail ...
06:33
<ogra>
whats the guy in Bug#395145 talking about ?
06:33
udev brings the device up ...
06:33
<vagrantc>
well, that was basically my response....
06:33
<ogra>
right
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06:37
<vagrantc>
i do recall there being a bug with initrd-netboot-tools waaaaay back when that needed a patch sort of like that
06:40
<Guaraldo>
hi all...
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07:06
<daya>
vagrantc, for sound and usbdrive support in client what should I do, I have no lts.conf file,
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07:12
<vagrantc>
daya: etch, or sid ?
07:13
<daya>
vagrantc, I am using the kernel from the etch,
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07:14
<daya>
vagrantc, but my whole sytem is not etch, as I said it is customized ,
07:17
<vagrantc>
egrep 'sid|etch' /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/apt/sources.list
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<vagrantc>
daya: egrep 'sid|etch|lenny' /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/apt/sources.list
07:19
<daya>
vagrantc, root@nepalinux:~# egrep 'sid|etch|lenny' /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/apt/sources.list
07:19
deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian etch main
07:19
deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main
07:20
I opened it in client and it gets played in server's speaker,
07:20* vagrantc will be back shortly
07:20
<daya>
vagrantc, ok
07:21
<ogra>
daya, well, ldm should have set ESPEAKER in the ssh tunnel if you have SOUND=True in ts.conf
07:21
*lts.conf
07:21
note that there is no sound integration at allfor XDMCP, if you use that you need to write up something yourself
07:22
<daya>
ogra, I have no more lts.conf file , as u have told it to remove and try to login it, do it need to restore it again
07:22
and other, which lts.conf, /etc or /opt,
07:23
<ogra>
/opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
07:23
<daya>
ogra, and I have no more ldm installed, dpkg -l | grep ldm so nothings,
07:23
<ogra>
ouch, why is that ?
07:23
without ldm you wnt have much fun
07:24
<daya>
ogra, no I am the beginners,
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07:24
<daya>
do I need to install ldm,
07:25
<ogra>
well, its usually installed by ltsp-build-client
07:25
and if ou dont touch what that created it should all work out of the box
07:25
<daya>
ogra, no I have not used ltsp-build-client , I have extracted tar ball in /opt
07:26
and i have run, apt-get install ltsp-server, as you guided me yesterday,
07:26
<ogra>
well, then it should be there, the tarball is just the tarred up version of the stuff ltsp-build-client created
07:26
<cliebow>
heh
07:26
<daya>
ok
07:26
<ogra>
right, ltsp server is needed for the scripts
07:26
else you wont have ltsp-update-kernels/-sshkeys
07:27
how did you manage to uninstall ldm in the chroot ?
07:27
<daya>
I have used both, :D unknowningly
07:28
ouh, chroot, ?
07:33
ogra, do i need to unistall it?
07:33
<ogra>
no
07:33
but you said its not in there
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<vagrantc>
daya: dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l ldm
07:35
wait a minute ... doesn't the tarball use /opt/ltsp/debian_etch_i386 or something ?
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<daya>
vagrantc, yes, but dut I have mv debian_etch_i386 to i386, do i have committed something silly mistake?
07:38
<vagrantc>
no, that should be fine
07:38
daya: dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l ldm
07:38
<daya>
vagrantc, :)
07:38
<vagrantc>
does that say ldm is installed, or not ?
07:39
<ogra>
fedrora has an EULA ???
07:39
<ltsppbot>
"daya" pasted "root@nepalinux:~# dpkg --root=" (7 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/163
07:39* ogra cant belive it
07:39
<vagrantc>
what's it say?
07:39
<ogra>
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/Licenses/EULA7
07:40
lots of rubbish indeed :)
07:40
<daya>
vagrantc, how to know, ii ---> installed is it ?
07:40* ogra is lucky to lve in a country where EULAs are not legal
07:40
<moquist>
vagrantc: sdm is the login manager you keep mentioning, right? how drop-in is it as a replacement for ldm? the gtk greeter (both implementations) takes >60s to start on this cursed laptop, so I'm still looking around for alternatives.
07:40
ogra: really? That's awesome!
07:41
<ogra>
moquist, did you ask sbalneav for his C wrapper ?
07:41
<cliebow>
moquist:hey!!
07:41
<moquist>
ogra: No. I shall.
07:41
cliebow: hey hey hey
07:41
<ogra>
yeh, you should
07:41
t least for a test
07:41* moquist nods
07:41
<moquist>
that's why I'm looking. :)
07:41
<vagrantc>
moquist: it would require some to moderate tweaks to get sdm working with all the features of ldm
07:41
moquist: but for basic login, it should be pretty simple
07:42
<ogra>
wow, this eula even totally breaks with the GPL
07:42
<cliebow>
moquist: stuff up for unh now?
07:42
<vagrantc>
daya: the ii at the beginning of the line indicates ldm is properly installed
07:42
<moquist>
vagrantc: that's good enough for now. can I just apt-get install sdm in the chroot, or are there specific things you can easily mention that I'll need to do? :)
07:43
vagrantc: Obviously, I'll have to get sdm to start instead of ldm, but other than that...
07:43
<vagrantc>
moquist: "apt-get install sdm" on the server, "chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install sdm-terminal
07:43
"
07:44
moquist: and either remove ldm from the chroot, or SCREEN_07=sdm
07:44
<moquist>
cliebow: er, uh, ... not really. It's still on the TODO list. If it would help I can send you a super-secret *draft* copy of the schedule I'm currently working with. Note that it's not in publishable condition, or it would be published. ;)
07:44
<vagrantc>
moquist: it also has some stupid default settings, like the server. but you can login with "user@server" in the login screen.
07:44
<moquist>
vagrantc: thx for saving me the time of figuring all that out. :)
07:45
<cliebow>
moquist:heh!!i am not sure if i will have a sponsor..thinking of changing jobs
07:45
<moquist>
maybe there is great documentation of all that somewhere, but that's too often not the case...
07:45
<vagrantc>
moquist: glad to see people try sdm :)
07:45
moquist: oh yes! also: chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install daemon
07:47
<moquist>
dude...there's a package named 'daemon'.
07:47* moquist had no idea
07:47
<moquist>
that's like a package named 'program', or 'system', or something.
07:47
or 'package', better yet.
07:47
<ogra>
if you want to rule the daemon, apt-get install devil :P
07:47
<moquist>
haha!
07:48
<vagrantc>
daemon is pretty cool
07:49
launchtool is actually even cooler, but i could never get it to work the way i wanted
08:00
<daya>
ogra, although I have edited lts.conf file to include SOUND=True , it doesn't work in cline,t
08:01
and other things I have specified SCREEN_07=startx, same error apperas,
08:01
but this time I can login,
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08:01
<vagrantc>
daya: if you specify SCREEN_07=startx, sound will not work.
08:01
daya: just like ogra said earlier
08:02
<daya>
oh,
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08:02
<daya>
then what to do,
08:02
<vagrantc>
if you want sound to work, do not set and SCREEN entries
08:02
<daya>
ok , lets check
08:03
vagrantc, I need to restart client only isn't it to see the effect ?
08:03
<vagrantc>
yes
08:04
daya: so what do you have in lts.conf ?
08:06
<ltsppbot>
"daya" pasted "root@nepalinux:~# cat /opt/lts" (24 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/164
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08:07
<moquist>
Papa Jim!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
08:08
<daya>
this time also it
08:08
does't work,
08:08
<jammcq>
hey kidz
08:08
<vagrantc>
daya: why do you have all those things in your lts.conf ?
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08:09
<daya>
vagrantc, all those things, that were default, I have added only SOUND sections,
08:09
<vagrantc>
daya: i cannot help you if you do not tell us the truth.
08:09
<daya>
vagrantc, wondering ?
08:10
<jammcq>
maybe he started with k12ltsp
08:10
<daya>
vagrantc, I am always telling u the truth, ?
08:10
<vagrantc>
jammcq: he says he used a tarball
08:10
daya: you added many more lines in that simple SOUND=True
08:11
daya: all you need is ...
08:11
[Default]
08:11
SOUND=True
08:11
daya: and if that doesn't work for you, we can add things in as necessary.
08:11
<daya>
vagrantc, ok
08:13
<vagrantc>
daya: but don't add anything without telling us.
08:13
makes it *very* difficult to help.
08:14
because earlier, we had removed it entirely ...
08:17
<daya>
vagrantc, this time also it doesn't work,
08:18
<vagrantc>
daya: ok, as the logged in user, echo $ESPEAKER
08:18
<daya>
when, I boot the sytem it says some warnign such as can
08:18
can't find /etc/hotplug,,,etc
08:18
<vagrantc>
that's fine.
08:18
do you get to a login screen ever?
08:19
<daya>
It displays nothing, in echo $ESPEAKER
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<daya>
vagrantc, yes finally I am prompted to login screen w/o any errors,
08:20
and I can run the programs smoothly,
08:20
<vagrantc>
daya: dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l esound
08:20
<daya>
only the thins I can't mount my USB ,and have audio,
08:20
vagrantc, ii --> esound
08:21
<vagrantc>
dpkg -l esound-clients
08:21
<daya>
it also shows ii
08:22
<vagrantc>
ok ...
08:22
<ogra>
unsupported soundcard ?
08:22
<daya>
:)
08:22
<vagrantc>
maybe
08:23
there's an open bug report on sound with some potentially useful information ...
08:23
<daya>
of server or client ?
08:23
<vagrantc>
yes
08:24
<ogra>
woah, you dont have linux-sound-base in the default install in debian ?
08:24
<vagrantc>
hell no.
08:24
<ogra>
thats even in debbootstrap in ubuntu
08:24
install alsa-base, alsa-uils and linux-sound-abse
08:24
*utils
08:24
*base
08:25
<vagrantc>
probably alsa-oss
08:25
<ogra>
nah
08:25
<vagrantc>
well ... we'll try that later
08:25
<ogra>
that will only give you oss crap
08:25
oss is obsolete
08:25
<vagrantc>
so you know debian is 100% alsa compatible?
08:26
<ogra>
well, i know all our alsa atches went in
08:26
*patches
08:27
so it should at least be on par with ubuntu
08:27
(if you have the rght packages installed)
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<vagrantc>
daya: ok ... so ... chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils libesd-alsa0
08:28
<ogra>
linux-sound-base :)
08:28
<vagrantc>
dependency of two of the above packages :P
08:28
<fsgaston>
Looking for good docs on having LTSP do local processing - Similar to Ardence?
08:28
<ogra>
Ardence ?
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<fsgaston>
Ardence is basically a shared Hard drive, with the machine doing processing - now bought by CITRIX
08:29
<vagrantc>
fsgaston: there are no good docs for that sort of thing yet
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<fsgaston>
vagrantc -- Can it be done?
08:29
<ogra>
sunds like LOCALDEV support
08:29
<vagrantc>
fsgaston: absolutely
08:29
ogra: i think it's more like "fat clients"
08:30
<ogra>
shared HD ?
08:30
well
08:30
<vagrantc>
ogra: ever heard of NFS ?
08:30
daya: still there ?
08:30
<fsgaston>
Yes, but we want the machines to not have a HD and boot fomr one image
08:30
<daya>
vagrantc, I am doing it,
08:31
<fsgaston>
vanrantc - what is being proccessed locally
08:31
<ogra>
fsgaston, and use the builtin HD for user data ?
08:31
<fsgaston>
are you doing sound and video
08:31
<daya>
vagrantc, perhaps the site is not working,
08:31
vagrantc, Temporary failure resolving 'http.us.debian.org'
08:31
<vagrantc>
fsgaston: we're attempting to set up local sound support for a traditional LTSP thin client
08:31
<daya>
vagrantc, can I use my local repo in it ?
08:31
<vagrantc>
daya: cat /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/resolv.conf
08:32
daya: if you want ..
08:32
daya: is it a full debian mirror ?
08:32
<ogra>
... if it has the packages :)
08:32
<vagrantc>
daya: do you have packages in there that are different from packages in debian ?
08:32
<fsgaston>
Who is doing the fat clients with no HD and doing audio and video locally?
08:33
<ogra>
fsgaston, so you want storage access to the thin client or do you want more ?
08:33
<fsgaston>
Storage on the server or authenticated with Windows or Novell and processing done locally
08:33
<daya>
vagrantc, in my system ?, no but may be from previous ver. of debian,
08:33
<ogra>
ah, right thats a common fat client
08:33
<fsgaston>
I'm the technical contact for 10000 linux desktops in Indiana
08:33
<vagrantc>
daya: in your repository
08:34
<daya>
vagrantc, debian etch,
08:34
vagrantc, only
08:34
<ogra>
fsgaston, we're not done with an automated install yet, but if you have some experience its not hard to set up manually with ltsp5
08:34
fsgaston, the thing is that you need a
08:34
proper network auth setup
08:34
<fsgaston>
Are there any restrictions on what can be processed locally
08:34
<ogra>
no
08:35
yu can install a full desktop in the client chroot and run everything in ram on the client
08:35
<vagrantc>
daya: well, go for it.
08:35
<daya>
vagrantc, ok
08:35
<vagrantc>
daya: so edit /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/apt/sources.list to include your mirror
08:35
<fsgaston>
ogra - would you have time to chat old school (skype or telephone)?
08:36
<daya>
vagrantc, ok
08:36
<fsgaston>
vagrantc - do you use skype?
08:36
<ogra>
fsgaston, not really atm
08:36
fsgaston, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowtoWriteLTSP5Plugins have a look at that one ...
08:36
<vagrantc>
fsgaston: no, i can't bear to run non-free software :)
08:37
<ogra>
if you install an auth mechanism instead of making it use autologin and install ubuntu-desktop instaed of firefox etc and have a pam-mount rule that mounts your home from the server on login, then you have exactly what you wnted
08:38
running everything on the client is trivial
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<ogra>
it gets only hairy if you only want to run pieces locally and others on the server
08:38
thats a feature that will still take time
08:39
<fsgaston>
ogra - May I give you a call - e-mail me at fsgaston@schooltechperson.com
08:40
<daya>
vagrantc, I have done it, but doesn't work
08:40
do I have to do some extra,
08:40
things,
08:41
<ogra>
use the ubuntu tarball :P
08:41* ogra hides
08:41
<daya>
ubuntu tarball
08:41
?
08:43
<ogra>
daya, i was joking ... (it will work out of the box in ubuntu, but you have already doen so much work that you should just get it running with what you have now)
08:44
<fsgaston>
ogra - do you have ltsp working with local authentication and mounting to a windows share?
08:44
<daya>
ogra, only few things left sound, usb and printer ,
08:45
<ogra>
fsgaston, nope, but i know that people have that running from guys passing by here and in #edubuntu if they have support questions
08:45
daya, hmm, printer will be prob in debian (unless vagrantc bacported jetpipe to etch)
08:46
<fsgaston>
ogra - it sounds like i should check in #edubuntu?
08:46
<ogra>
if you like :)
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<daya>
ogra, is there is anything left for enabling sound in client, that you haven't guide me,
08:48
<vagrantc>
ogra: i just uploaded an ltsp with jetpipe to debian-edu today
08:48
<ogra>
well, i dont know whats needed for debian to make alsa work, i'm pretty spoiled with ubuntu here, i dont have to care for such stuff (it just works) beyond that you have done everything you can do for ltsp sound
08:49
vagrantc, yay
08:49
we urgently need more devs for this ... someone has to care for serial printers
08:49
<vagrantc>
hopeing to get a new upload that's synced with ubuntu today yet
08:50
daya: so ... as a logged in user ... echo $ESPEAKER
08:51
<daya>
vagrantc, 192.168.2.184:16001
08:51
<ogra>
yay
08:51
<vagrantc>
alright, progress.
08:51
<ogra>
so the ldm side of things is fine
08:52
<vagrantc>
it wasn't earlier
08:52
unless i was given false information again :P
08:52
<ogra>
right
08:53
<vagrantc>
daya: ok ... so what program are you trying to play sounds with ?
08:53
<daya>
vagrantc, I din't get u
08:53
vagrantc, sorry
08:54
<vagrantc>
daya: you say sound isn't working ... i'm wondering what you're expecting to hear sounds from that isn't working.
08:54
<daya>
vagrantc, I am tryiing to watch movies and play music in client
08:54
<vagrantc>
daya: ok.
08:54
<daya>
vagrantc, :D
08:54
:)
08:54
<vagrantc>
daya: what's the program you are using to do that?
08:54
<daya>
vagrantc, I got u ,
08:54
vagrantc, Totem
08:55
<ogra>
run sgtreamer-properties and switch to the esound backend then
08:55
*gstreamer-properties
08:55
<moquist>
vagrantc: "Xdialog not found"... it seems to be packaged for debian, but apt-cache search doesn't find it. :p WTH?
08:55
<vagrantc>
moquist: xdialog ?
08:55
<ogra>
xdialog - X11 replacement for the text util dialog
08:56
<moquist>
vagrantc: when starting sdm, I get a box telling me "Xdialog not found, either install Xdialog or configure sdm for autologin"
08:56
<ogra>
so install xdialog :)
08:56
<vagrantc>
moquist: chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install xdialog
08:56
that's another stupid mistake i made with sdm ...
08:57
<ogra>
using xdialog ? yes :)
08:57
<vagrantc>
fixed it in ... cvs ...
08:57
or maybe svn ...
08:57
<ogra>
so you apt-get install cvs ? and all i fixed ? wow :P
08:57
<vagrantc>
no.
08:57
<ogra>
*is
08:58
<vagrantc>
the debian maintainer for sdm is the same as for lessdisks, so probably even if i made a new upstream release years ago, it wouldn't be in etch.
08:58
<ogra>
heh
08:58
<moquist>
WTF...I must have had out-of-date metadata when I did 'apt-cache search xdialog' on the server, b/c the chroot found and installed it just fine. :P
08:58
<ogra>
want to overrid it in ubuntu ? you will need some sponsored uplaods anyway for your ubuntu-dev membership
08:59
*override
08:59
<vagrantc>
not that i've really done significant work ... sdm in debian is actually based on the last stable release of sdm.
08:59
heh
08:59
<ogra>
by the way ....
08:59
moquist, ?
09:00
any news on moodle ?
09:01
<moquist>
ogra: the first thing I did was try to install xdialog, of course, but apt-cache search didn't find it, so I blabbed in here. But apt-get update fixed my silly problem.
09:01
ogra: did you see my PM?
09:01
bah, my nick isn't currently identified by freenode.
09:03
<vagrantc>
daya: you probably need to install libesd-alsa0 on the server, too.
09:03
<moquist>
ogra: I just posted the PM again...
09:03
<daya>
vagrantc, in chrooted environment or in server itself
09:03
<ogra>
yep, seeing it ...
09:04
<vagrantc>
daya: both
09:04
<daya>
ok lets check it out,
09:04
<vagrantc>
daya: and you'll have to configure totem to use esound
09:04
<ogra>
no
09:04
<vagrantc>
daya: are you using tome-xine or totem-gstreamer ?
09:04
<ogra>
you have to configure gstreamer
09:04
<vagrantc>
ogra: depends :P
09:05
<ogra>
ah, right i forgot ... since we have libgimmecodec i ubuntu nobody uss the xine backend anymore, its lame :)
09:06
<vagrantc>
on debian, totem-xine is preferred over totem-gstreamer ...
09:06
<daya>
vagrantc, its might be totem-xine, since i got in dpkg -l grep totem , might be incorrect
09:06* moquist has to say that totem-xine is far better for playing DVDs on Ubuntu, as well
09:06
<ogra>
moquist, tired in feisty on a fresh install ?
09:06
*tried
09:07
<moquist>
totem-gstreamer is *horrible* when I use the sliding bar to seek within the DVD, but the xine backend handles it just like you'd hope
09:07
ogra: yep
09:07
<ogra>
thats bad then
09:07* moquist nods
09:07
<ogra>
i have a dvd player so i never use the one in my lappie
09:07
<moquist>
relatively easy to change, at least
09:07
<ogra>
(not that i used te other one more than twice in a year)
09:08
<moquist>
ogra: I don't either, and if I do watch a movie on my laptop I've already ripped it to disk and I use mplayer. But my users don't live that way...
09:08
<ogra>
right
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09:09
<moquist>
I make pretty good use of my real DVD player... I'd love to invite you up some evening during the Boston UDS/UES to watch something, but I don't know that it would fit into the schedule very well. ;)
09:09
<ogra>
me neither, lets see :)
09:10
(dont ask me about my schedules more than a day in advance :) )
09:10
<daya>
vagrantc,could u please say me how to configure totem for esound support, :D
09:11
<ogra>
run xine and open its options ... then configure it for esound output in the sound tab
09:11
totem-xine should pick that up
09:13
<moquist>
sdm cuts 50 seconds off the DHCP-->login prompt time
09:13
I'm down to 134s with this craptop now
09:15
<ogra>
log in on the console: lsmod >/tmp/modules && scp /tmp/modules user@server:/tmp
09:15
then copy that to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/initramfs-tools/modules
09:15
<daya>
ogra, vagrantc I can't enable sound support in client , I will see it later, thank a lot for your valuable support,
09:15
<ogra>
regenrate the initramfs and run ltsp-update-kernels
09:15
<daya>
see u , guys,
09:15
bye
09:15
<ogra>
that will speed up a bit
09:16
daya, you already *have* soud support on the client
09:16
just make your app know about it ;)
09:16
<daya>
ogra, no yar
09:17
ogra, I can
09:17
n't find the options,
09:17
<ogra>
in xine ?
09:17
there is a button for them in the ui
09:17
<moquist>
I've got a chroot made from an rsync of / from a system booted to the Edubuntu Desktop Live/install CD, and I'd like to boot that over the network. I apparently don't have the NFS root thing going properly, because I keep getting kernel panics when I boot... I've recompiled the kernel a few times with some different options, I'm reading nfsroot.txt, and I've tried it with an initrd and without, though I didn't customize the one I trie
09:17
<daya>
in totem, ok I will see in xine,
09:18
<ogra>
moquist, dont touch the kernel
09:18
<daya>
ogra, I have to enable them from client isn't it?
09:18
<moquist>
ogra: use the unmodified kernel from the LivdCD?
09:18
<ogra>
moquist, the kernel in ubuntu is compiled with the most minimal set of options
09:18
yes
09:19
what you want to change in ubuntu is always the initramfs
09:19
<moquist>
ogra: This is a different situation than the craptop problems, so I'm not worried about optimization. Just FYI.
09:19
ogra: OK.
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09:19
<ogra>
if you want different core kernel options you use the -genric -i386 -server -server-bigiron packages
09:19* moquist nods
09:19
<ogra>
and poke on these with bootoptions ...
09:19
oh i forgot -lowlatency
09:20
<moquist>
ogra: is initramfs-tools the right place to start learning about poking the initramfs properly?
09:20
<ogra>
right
09:20
have a look at /usr/share/initramfs-tools and /etc/initramfs-tools
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<moquist>
ogra: could I potentially grab the initramfs from edubuntu chroot and drop it in? (if I install kernel-386 in my chroot)
09:20
ogra: will do
09:21
<ogra>
fpr your particular prob have a look at /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf
09:22
change the values for MODULES and BOOT, run update-initramfs -u .... thats it
09:22
<daya>
ogra, sorry I can't get it, ok I will see it tomorrwo, see u, :D
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09:22
<moquist>
ogra: wow, no kidding. that's *so* easy.
09:22
<ogra>
initramfs is extremely cool
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<moquist>
ogra: dropped me to busybox in the initramfs...I guess I need to look at the init stuff. Maybe I need a 'root=nfs' on the kernel command line?
09:41
<ogra>
not with an ubuntu default kernel
09:41
<moquist>
ogra: The kernel told me to check root= ... hrm.
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<moquist>
ogra: Odd.../opt/ltsp/i386/etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf has BOOT=local. That doesn't seem right.
09:42
(on my edubuntu server)
09:43
<ogra>
there is a conf.d dir for override files
09:43
<moquist>
Oh, right.
09:43
<ogra>
two actually ...
09:44
one in the /usr tree and one in the /etc tree
09:44
one of them has an ltsp file
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<ogra>
oh i love to delete xrog.conf everywhere
09:50
xorg 7.3 is soo great
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09:53
<cliebow>
moquist:if you dont mind..a xouple of us would like a look at your prelim for unh..cliebow at ltsp.org
09:53
<moquist>
cliebow: emailing to you now
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10:00
<moquist>
cliebow: sent
10:01
<cliebow>
cool!!!
10:03
<moquist>
ogra: So the kernel tells me "ALERT! does not exist. Dropping to a shell!" Any obvious (to you) things I should look for or fix?
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<ogra>
moquist, hmm what bootloader do you use ?
10:04* moquist hates to ask questions so pedantically, but sometimes asking takes 5 min when figuring it out without help would take 5 hours
10:04
<ogra>
PXE i asssume ...
10:04
<moquist>
ogra: I'm PXE booting, and trying to ...yes
10:04
<ogra>
so did you copy the new initramfs from $ROOT/boot to the tftp dir ?
10:05
so the kernel finds the right one after uncompressing ...
10:05
<moquist>
OTOH, sometimes asking reveals your silly mistakes to the WHOLE WORLD, whereas figuring it out yourself keeps those embarrassments secret...
10:05* moquist copies the initramfs
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10:10
<_ringlej>
Is it possible from a ltsp client to get access to a local serial port (/dev/ttyS0)?
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<cliebow>
wehave used serial mice in the past!
10:10
<_ringlej>
How does that work?
10:10
<vagrantc>
_ringlej: depends on what you mean by access ... what are you trying to do ?
10:11
<_ringlej>
I want to get serial port terminal access to an embedded board that I develope on.
10:12
<vagrantc>
_ringlej: to applications running on the server ... or elsewhere ?
10:12
_ringlej: or just manual access to the interface ?
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10:13
<_ringlej>
For instance from a ltsp client opens an xterm and from there executes minicom to gain access to the local /dev/ttyS0
10:14
I'm thinking that perhaps I can do this using socat... but maybe there's a better solution?
10:15
<Gadi>
why not write a screen script that just launches xterm and minicom on a SCREEN locally?
10:15
<vagrantc>
_ringlej: you could run sshd on the thin client and log into the client itself ?
10:15
<Gadi>
that would be easiest
10:15
<vagrantc>
ah, yes. that would be easy too.
10:15
or even skip X entirely.
10:15
<_ringlej>
I see. that sounds easy enough.
10:16
<vagrantc>
depends on what other stuff you want to do
10:16
<_ringlej>
How do I install sshd server on the client?
10:16
<vagrantc>
LTSP_HANDLE_DAEMONS=false chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install openssh-server
10:17
we gotta implement ltsp-chroot :)
10:17
i guess i already did, but i've never been happy with it
10:17
<_ringlej>
Cool. What is the purpose of LTSP_HANDLE_DAEMONS?
10:18
<vagrantc>
it prevents sshd from starting in the chroot on your server
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<_ringlej>
I see. We only want sshd to run when a client uses nfsroot server-ip:/opt/ltsp/i386
10:20
<vagrantc>
well, you don't want the sshd running on your server, only when you boot the client
10:20
<_ringlej>
got it.
10:22
vagrantc: I need to execute that command as root. If I use sudo, will the environment be passed along from the command line?
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<vagrantc>
_ringlej: sudo su
10:24
_ringlej: and then run it
10:25
<_ringlej>
ok.
10:26
<ogra>
vagrantc, sudo -s :)
10:26
soesnt start a subshell
10:26
*doesnt
10:26
<vagrantc>
ok
10:26
<ogra>
or sudo -i
10:26
<_ringlej>
Is there a way to discover the local IP address from inside the ltsp-client?
10:27
<ogra>
sadly not beyond grepping through fconfig output yet
10:27
*ifconfig
10:27
<vagrantc>
_ringlej: depends on what you mean ?
10:27
<_ringlej>
ifconfig shows the server's ip address.
10:27
<ogra>
we discussed to export it locally as env var
10:27
not on the client
10:27
<vagrantc>
_ringlej: i.e. if you're logged into the server, you can get it from $LTSP_CLIENT
10:28
<ogra>
or from $SSH_CONNECTION
10:28
<_ringlej>
I'd like to be able to write a script that does an ssh session back to the local side.
10:28
<ogra>
(i dont think we set it in ubuntu for LTSP_CLIENT)
10:28
<vagrantc>
ogra: no ?
10:28
<ogra>
not to the ip
10:28
i think to the hostname
10:29
<vagrantc>
ah, yes.
10:29
<ogra>
unless there is something coming from you i didnt look into ... i dont really care what it contains as long as its set
10:29
<vagrantc>
heh
10:29
<_ringlej>
$LTSP_CLIENT returns the hostname of the server.
10:29
<vagrantc>
well, if it's a real hostname, it's as good as an ip
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<vagrantc>
well, it shouldn't contain that.
10:30
<ogra>
vagrantc, well, hostname defaults to what /etc/hostname contains
10:30
<vagrantc>
right ...
10:30
_ringlej: what's in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/hostname ?
10:30
<ogra>
which defaults to the servers hostname in the chroot ... and only gets overridden if you configure dhc hostnames
10:31
*dhcp
10:32
<ltsppbot>
"_ringlej" pasted "/etc/hostname" (4 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/165
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<_ringlej>
It seems to me that this needs to be unique to each client that connects.
10:32
<ogra>
its not used anywhere
10:33
if you configure your dhcp server to hand out a name to each client it will get overridden
10:33
just use $SSH_CONNECTION
10:34
<_ringlej>
ogra: that will work.
10:34
<ogra>
ESPEAKER would work as well and is less to fiddle around with
10:34
make your ick :)
10:34
*pick
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<_ringlej>
I suppose that now I need to create a user on the local side for my ssh session...
10:39
<ogra>
or set a root pw and log in as root ...
10:39
either will work
10:39
<_ringlej>
How do I do that?
10:40
chroot?
10:40
<ogra>
yep
10:40
sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd
10:40
<moquist>
Hmm. Now it says "nfs: server <ipaddr> not responding, still trying", but the nfs server has "authenticated mount request from <clientip>" in syslog. Subsequently, the client's rcS.d/S10udev complains that it can't create /dev/null, readlink, usplash_write...and /etc/init.d/rc complains about not being able to create /dev/null, and then I get 2: sed: Input/output error 20 or so times before it dies.
10:40
<vagrantc>
or use an ssh key for roto
10:41
for root
10:41
much better than a password
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<ogra>
you could also switch the shh to passwordless login and use a key
10:41
vagrantc, beats me
10:42
<vagrantc>
moquist: that doesn't sound good.
10:42
<_ringlej>
Yes. I'd like to do that. Is it just a matter of cat ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub >> /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ssh/authorized ?
10:43
*authorized_keys
10:43
<moquist>
vagrantc: this isn't an edubuntu system, this is the kernel and chroot from an Edubuntu Desktop live/install CD
10:44
Also, I can mount the NFS chroot just fine from my workstation, so I don't know what the TC's problem is.
10:45
<ogra>
hmm
10:45
right
10:46
<moquist>
I wonder if I should generate the initramfs inside an edubuntu chroot (and thus pull in the LTSP parts) and then copy *that* to the TFTP server.
10:46
<ogra>
i guess what you would need there is a hybrid of the liveCD (unionfs to get rw access to /) and netboot
10:47
no, your prob is that you dont have rw access to the necessary parts of the filesystem ...
10:47
<moquist>
but can't I do the same thing that LTSP already does to get rw /?
10:47* moquist isn't sure what that is
10:47
<ogra>
well, you could, but the stuff ltsp makes RW doesnt suffice for a complete desktop
10:47
<moquist>
ogra: but would that prevent the NFS mount from completing?
10:47
ogra: Oh, right. Of course.
10:48
OK. So I'll go learn about unionfs, then.
10:50
<ogra>
well
10:51
casper has a netboot mode
10:51
<Gadi>
moquist: not sure what you're trying to do, but would it suffice to mod the rw_dirs in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/default/ltsp-client-setup?
10:51
<ogra>
you could try to use that from the original liveCD initramfs
10:51
<moquist>
Gadi: I'm trying to netboot the edubuntu desktop install environment
10:51
<ogra>
have a look at the casper scripts to find the exact bootoptions
10:51
<moquist>
ogra: k
10:51
ogra: thx
10:52
<ogra>
(in /etc/initramfs-tools/scripts iirc)
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<moquist>
sbalneav: hiya
12:38
sbalneav: can I get ahold of the C wrapper I hear you have for LDM?
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<sutula>
vagrantc: What caused it to go through new again, or is it really new?
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<sutula>
(drat)
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<sbalneav>
moquist: I'm still madly deveoping it.
13:23
I'm intending to work most of the weekend on it, with the idea of having something working by Monday.
13:23
<moquist>
sbalneav: k; sounds good. I'll just ping you in here again then.
13:23
<sbalneav>
Sure.
13:23
I'll create a bzr branch for it when I get something remotely passable :)
13:24
<moquist>
sbalneav: sdm started 50 seconds faster than ldm (with the C greeter)
13:25
<sbalneav>
The time must be all used up in the python interpreter, because if you LOOK at what ldm's doing, for all intents and purposes, it's really only setting up some environment variables, spawining X, and then launching the ssh session.
13:27
<moquist>
the 'gtk' greeter sits at the top of top for >60s every time (fresh boot, logout, etc.), whether it's the python or the C implementation.
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<dan__t>
Anyone have any tips for some tools to monitor bandwidth usage and stuff?
13:31
Internet-bound bandwidth, on a per-user basis.
13:32
<moquist>
dan__t: nope, but if you figure something out let me know. :)
13:32
<dan__t>
heheh.
13:32
The best I've got right now is Squid, since I force everything through there
13:32
Even still...
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<moquist>
how is the edubuntu nbi.img created?
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<moquist>
whiprush: you there?
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<whiprush>
yo
14:36
moquist: I am around now, what's up?
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<pablo_>
hi! ive installed thin-client-manager package but it wont "see" clients screens. do i need to install/configure other packages to make it work? (im usign lltsp5 ubuntu 7.04)
17:26
<Burgundavia>
I think you might need to do something else
17:30
<cliebow_>
is x11vgnc installed in the chroott...maybe?
17:38
ogra gave me a lin..but it is at school..
17:46
<pablo_>
cliebow_: no it is not
17:46
installed
17:56
<cliebow_>
pablo:guess i have to look..
17:57
https://wiki.edubuntu.org/InstallX11VncOnLtspClients
17:57
this help?
18:01
<pablo_>
cliebow_: ok im reading now so i can installl x11vgnc
18:04
<cliebow_>
x11vnc that is
18:07
<pablo_>
ok
18:07
i did the chroot
18:07
but when i do apt-get install x11vnc
18:07
it says it canot find the package
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<cliebow_>
hmmm..i dont have a chroot to look and see in sources.list if something is awry
18:09
it does show uip in this regular edgy laptop
18:09
how aabout apt-caache search x11vnc
18:09
in the chroot\
18:09
excuse the multiole aa
18:11
<pablo_>
i did apt-cache search x11vnc in the chroot enviroment and no package was found
18:12
<cliebow_>
cause eogra must be asleep..you/ll have to bear with me
18:12
<pablo_>
but if i do apt-cache search outside the chroot env ths package does appear
18:13
maybe i need to install x11vnc doing sudo apt-get install x11vnc (not in the chroot env) and after doing that try to install it in the chrooted env?
18:13
<cliebow_>
i do not know where that pkg is kept..so you'll haave to look at sources.list and see if you caan open up a repo for it..
18:13
no
18:14
in the chroot
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<pablo_>
so ill hace to edit sources.list in the chroot enviroment ?
18:18
<cliebow_>
it is my best guess..wanna stick your head in 3edubuntu and see if you can get any info?
18:19
<pablo_>
yes im reading edubuntu docs to see if i get help there
18:20
<cliebow_>
pablo_, :it ought to be in universe..so make sure you have universe opened in sources.list..do an apt-get update
18:20
then try apt-get install again
18:25
<pablo_>
ok let me see
18:26
<cliebow_>
LaserJock is listeni ng in #edubuntu
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<pablo_>
cliebow_:ok ive installed x11vnc in the chroot added universe line to sources.list and the folowwed instrutions in the wiki edubuntu
18:58
but the thin-client manager still shows nothing
18:58
i t doesent show user also
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<pablo_>
how do i add users to the thin-client-manager console?
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<pablo_>
ogra: what packages/configurations do i need to make thin-client-gnome-manager work?
19:27
ive installed (with cliebows help) x11vnc in the chroot enviroment
19:28
but the thin-client-manager still does not show clients screens nor users processes
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<jammcq>
hey homies
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<pablo_>
hi jammcq
19:34
<jammcq>
hey pablo_
19:35
<pablo_>
im trying to make thin-client-manager work. ive installed x11vnc in the chroot enviroment
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<pablo_>
ok
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<cliebow_>
pablo_, you got it??
20:12
hi jammcq!
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<petre>
evening all
20:19
<jammcq>
hey petre
20:19
<petre>
hey jammcq
20:20
what's new in ltsp-land?
20:20
<jammcq>
hmmm, dunno
20:20
<petre>
I've been out of the loop lately, started a new job
20:20
<jammcq>
oooh, new job
20:20
where you working now?
20:20
<petre>
company called VisionShare
20:21
they provide secure communication over the i'net between medical providers and payers
20:21
a linux shop
20:21
centos is their main platform
20:21
<jammcq>
ooh, cool
20:21* jammcq is in the medical business
20:21
<petre>
yeah, and potentially very lucrative
20:30
<_ringlej>
After installing ltsp-server, I expected to have /opt/ltsp, but this is missing...
20:31
<jammcq>
just installing ltsp-server won't do that. you need to run ltsp-build-client
20:31
that creates the crhoot
20:31
<_ringlej>
Oh yeah, that's right. forgot.
20:31
thanks
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<sahil>
is there a reason why there is no inetd.conf by default in ubuntu, do i need to install a particular program to make it work?
21:00
<jammcq>
yeah, you need to install inetd
21:00
<sahil>
thank you sir
21:00
jammcq: is it possible you could help me figure out the graphics issue i've been having in about 5 minutes?
21:01
<jammcq>
for inetd, you'll want to install 'openbsd-inetd'
21:01
what's the problem?
21:01
<sahil>
i specified sis in lts.conf
21:01
and i keep loading vesa for some reason
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<jammcq>
which version of ltsp ?
21:02
<sahil>
i have those eway clients which lspci with a livecd tells me is a sis550 graphics
21:02
4.2
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<jammcq>
paste your lts.conf file to our pastebot
21:02
<sahil>
!pastebot
21:02
<ltspbot`>
sahil: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
21:04
<ltsppbot>
"sahil" pasted "crappy vesa" (20 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/166
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<jammcq>
hmm, that should work
21:05
how do you know it's using vesa ?
21:05
<sahil>
lsmod on the client/the drawing is really slow
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<jammcq>
lsmod doesn't list xservers
21:05
<sahil>
ah
21:05
well then the drawing
21:05
<jammcq>
sahil: set SCREEN_02 = shell
21:05
reboot the client
21:06
and then hit Ctrl-Alt-F2
21:06
and go look at /etc/X11/XF86Config
21:06
or maybe it's in /tmp
21:06
you need to see what's been put in the X config file
21:06
that'll tell you which driver it's using
21:10
<sahil>
what text editor?
21:11
<jammcq>
I use vi, you can use whatever you like
21:11
<sahil>
there are no editors
21:11
<jammcq>
you mean to edit lts.conf? or to look at XF86Config ?
21:11
<sahil>
look at the config
21:11
<jammcq>
just use 'more'
21:11
you don't need to edit it
21:12
<sahil>
driver line reads sis
21:12
<jammcq>
ok, then it's using sis
21:13
<sahil>
the cd that came with the clients had some strange things about replacing the startx script and using sisfb for x or something
21:13
what could be causing the slow drawing and what not?
21:13
<jammcq>
cd came with the clients?
21:13
<sahil>
yeah its those eway tu-4 ones
21:13
let me grab the cd
21:14
<jammcq>
umm, dunno why they'd be slow. are they the same as the e2300 ?
21:15
<sahil>
im not familar with the e2300
21:16
<jammcq>
tiny little box
21:16
200Mhz cpu
21:17
<sahil>
yes
21:18
maybe i have to load the agpart module?
21:19
can i send you over the relevant files from the cd?
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<petre>
jammcq: sorry, my xchat just died on me
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<jammcq>
heh
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<sahil>
jammcq:can i send you the files on the cd?
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<sahil>
jammcq: could the problem with slow graphics not be related to the graphics drivers but the link or something like that?
21:45
<jammcq>
umm, sure, could be
21:45
how fast is the cpu on that box?
21:46
<sahil>
the thin-client or the server?
21:46
<jammcq>
client
21:46
<sahil>
200 mhz
21:46
<jammcq>
I don't care about the server
21:46
well, at 200mhz it's not going to be very fast
21:46
<sahil>
128mb ram
21:48
it should be able to minimize a window without taking 3 seconds though right?
21:48
<jammcq>
well yeah
21:48
it shouldn't be that slow
21:49
http://www.compactpc.com.tw/ebox-2300.htm
21:49
is that the box you are talking about?
21:49
<sahil>
yes it is
21:49
<jammcq>
i've got a couple of those, and they don't seem to be all that slow
21:50
they take longer to boot, but once running, they are Ok
21:50
i've heard reports that theres some settings in the bios related to video that can help alot
21:51
but I don't remember where I saw those notes
21:51
<sahil>
ive been toying with them
21:52
ill see if i can hit the right combo
21:52
in the docs with the box it says something about a tiny xserver
21:53
<jammcq>
hmm, you shouldn't need that
21:55
<sahil>
would those notes be around in the mailing list you think?
21:55
<jammcq>
check the k12ltsp or k12osn mailing list
21:55
that might be where i've seen it
21:55
google prolly knows
21:56
<sahil>
strangely enough mine boots very fast
21:56
<jammcq>
with ltsp-4.2 they boot fast. with ltsp-5.0 they boot slow
21:59
<sahil>
whats ldm?
22:01
<jammcq>
LTSP Display Manager. part of ltsp-5
22:02
<daya>
I have successfully installed ltsp 5 but sound and usb is not working in client side,
22:02
how can I solve this problem,
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<sahil>
jammcq: is there anyway i can determine what bios settings to use like using lspci -v output and what not
22:13
<jammcq>
no, not really
22:14
<sahil>
did you load the sis-agp module in yours?
22:14
or rather do you have your lts.conf for those clients
22:14
<jammcq>
I don't remember
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<sutula>
daya: What's the host OS?
22:50
<daya>
sutula, :D
22:50
sutula, my server is debian,
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<sutula>
daya: Etch?
23:05
<daya>
yes
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<sutula>
daya: ltsp-server (as the server package)?
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<daya>
no thru tarball, though I have installed ltsp-server too,
23:06
but not thru ltsp-build-client,
23:06
<sutula>
daya: I guess I can relate my experience if that helps
23:07
<daya>
sutula, ok why not,
23:07
<sutula>
daya: I got rid of tarball stuff, installed ltsp-server, then ran ltsp-build-client
23:07
<daya>
sutula, I can login in client successfully, only the problem of sound and usb
23:07
sutula, why tar ball is not good?
23:08
<sutula>
daya: (not saying it's not good, but just how I got sound working)
23:08* sutula looks up some notes...just a sec
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<daya>
sutula, that means you got the same problem as me in tar ball , am I right ?
23:10
<sutula>
daya: Not sure, but I submitted: http://bugs.debian.org/425057
23:10
daya: That's what I had to do to get it working...see also response from maintainer about what might not be necessary
23:11
daya: So, not sure about tarball approach but see if those packages and "SOUND=Y" gets it working
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<daya>
sutula, have u worked well in case of ltsp-build-clinet for sound,
23:14
and usb,
23:14
<sutula>
daya: I have sound working...have not tried USB
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<daya>
ok,
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sutula, can u please paset your lts.conf file in pastbin,
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!pastebot
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<ltspbot`>
daya: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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<sutula>
daya: Are you looking for an example?
23:19
<daya>
sutula, somewhat, since althouh I specify SOUND=yes in lts.conf file its not working,
23:19
sutula, and I have installed all packages such as alsa,
23:19* sutula will cut/paste a few lines...just a sec
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<ltsppbot>
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<sutula>
daya: Can you get logged in to the client's OS?
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<daya>
sutula, yes, I can do, and run every programs except I heard sound in cleint, instead it will be in server's speaker,
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I can't listen to sound in clinet,
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<sutula>
daya: In the client, is esd running?
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<daya>
how to find,
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ps aux | grep esd
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<sutula>
daya: yes
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<daya>
doesn't show the process, runni
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running
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<sutula>
daya: Does the client have a /dev/dsp ?
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<daya>
yes
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<sutula>
Then, you might want to run esd manually on the client and see if it a) beeps the speaker, and b) whether it continues to run (until you kill it) or whether it dies with an error
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daya: The client having /dev/dsp indicates the booted client OS thinks it has the drivers it needs to be able to play sound, so that's good
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