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Channel log from 3 October 2011   (all times are UTC)

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12:47
<mgariepy>
good morning everyone
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13:33
<shawnp0wers>
Well mgariepy, I'll agree with the morning part... :)
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13:53
<Hyperbyte>
And I agree only with the 'good' part. ;-)
14:01
<mgariepy>
alkisg, are you there?
14:01
<alkisg>
Hi mgariepy
14:01* alkisg is trying to find some cheap hotel to stay at NY :)
14:02
<mgariepy>
can you update bts 2011 wiki to add that Revolution linux will pay for The Acadia workshop and Sunday breakfast - Scotty is the "breakfast chef"
14:02
<alkisg>
Sure, let me see the page...
14:02
<mgariepy>
:) thanks
14:03
for an hotel maybe Gadi have an idea.
14:04
or a spare room :P
14:04
<alkisg>
The Acadia workshop - $300 [ Sponsor: Revolution Linux ]
14:04
Sunday breakfast - Scotty is the "breakfast chef" - $100-$150 [ Sponsor: Revolution Linux ]
14:04
Does that look ok?
14:08
OK, done
14:22
<mgariepy>
that's perfect
14:22
thanks alkisg
14:22
<alkisg>
NP
14:22
Thanks for the workshop + breakfast sponshorship :)
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14:26
<TheMatrix3000>
do i have to start my lts.conf file any special way
14:26
!lts.conf
14:26
<ltsp>
TheMatrix3000: lts.conf: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
14:30
<Hyperbyte>
"start"?
14:31
You don't start your lts.conf in any way, it's not an executable file. It gets downloaded by the client via tftp during PXE boot
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15:16
<TheMatrix3000>
this is a valid lts.conf right?
15:16
http://pastebin.com/rS3AipMY
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15:17
<alkisg>
Yes. Do you really want clients with 1 Gb RAM to be booted as thin?!
15:17
<TheMatrix3000>
actually i have it at 8
15:17
800
15:17
on the server itself
15:17
sorry
15:17
but other than that is that right?
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cause it's not taking that lts.conf file for some reason
15:18
<alkisg>
!localxterm
15:18
<ltsp>
alkisg: localxterm: while sitting on a thin client, open a gnome terminal. In that, run: ltsp-localapps xterm. An xterm will open. That xterm runs locally, so any commands you enter there are executed directly on the client.
15:18
<alkisg>
In a localxterm, run: getltscfg -a
15:18
This will show you what the client actually reads
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15:22
<obrienmd>
Wondering if anyone knows what variable to set in pxelinux default config for nbd server IP? The configuration ltsp spit out for mine only specifies nbd_name (nbd device name, which is correct), and our nbd server is different from our DHCP server (the default nbd mount attempt ip, probably), which is why nbd mount of root device seems to be failing.
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<TheMatrix3000>
yea, alkisg, something isn't right
15:26
it's reading that file
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and sees the variable
15:26
but its running a 1GB client as a thin client
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and not a fat client
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localapps xterm says FAT_RAM_THRESHOLD=800
15:28
<alkisg>
obrienmd: nbdroot=1.2.3.4:2000
15:29
TheMatrix3000: from the localxterm again, what's the output of: ls /etc/ltsp_fat_chroot
15:30
<TheMatrix3000>
nothing
15:30
<alkisg>
Then you're either not in a fat chroot, or not in a local xerm
15:30
xterm
15:30
Did you build a fat chroot?
15:30
<TheMatrix3000>
sudo ltsp-build-client --arch i386 --chroot fat-i386 --fat-client
15:30
that's the correct way right?
15:30
<alkisg>
ls -lh /opt/ltsp/images
15:30
What's the output of that?
15:30
(on the server)
15:31
<TheMatrix3000>
administrator@ltsp:/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp$ ls -lh /opt/ltsp/images
15:31
total 2.6G
15:31
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.7G 2011-10-03 10:29 fat-i386.img
15:31
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 950M 2011-09-03 18:46 i386.img
15:31
i can delete the i386 right
15:31
<alkisg>
Maybe you're having dhcp/pxelinux problems then, and you're sending the wrong chroot
15:32
I.e. maybe you're sending i386 instead of fat-i386
15:32
<TheMatrix3000>
let me check
15:32
<alkisg>
ls /opt/ltsp/fat-i386/etc/ltsp_fat_chroot
15:32
Is that file there?
15:32
<TheMatrix3000>
/opt/ltsp/fat-i386
15:32
<alkisg>
If so, then yes you're sending the wrong chroot
15:32
*the wrong image
15:33
<TheMatrix3000>
yea
15:33
its there
15:33
but the netboot is sending /opt/ltsp/fat-i386 as the image
15:33
<alkisg>
So, check your inetd.conf, dhcpd.conf, and pxelinux.cfg/default
15:33
<TheMatrix3000>
root-path: /opt/ltsp/fat-i386
15:33
<obrienmd>
alkisg: can I use nbdroot along with nbdname?
15:33
<alkisg>
TheMatrix3000: root-path is for Debian, for NFS
15:33
It's not used in Ubuntu
15:33
<TheMatrix3000>
next-server 192.168.2.12 filename ltsp/fat-i386/pxelinux.0
15:34
<obrienmd>
alkisg: say, nbdroot=1.2.3.4:10809 nmdname=img_name
15:34
<alkisg>
obrienmd: errr are you using oneiric?
15:34
<obrienmd>
yes
15:34
beta 2
15:34
sorry should have said that :)
15:35
<alkisg>
I haven't looked into that much yet, try nbdserver=ip and nbdname only
15:35
No need to specify ports when you're using names
15:35
<obrienmd>
ok
15:35
so nbdserver rather than nbdroot
15:35
<alkisg>
Yes
15:35
<obrienmd>
i think i may have tried that last night, but will confirm
15:38
<alkisg>
Hmmm I no longer see nbdserver in the code
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15:41
<TheMatrix3000>
alkisg, should i just build a new image?
15:41
<alkisg>
obrienmd: try this too: nbdroot=server:ip NBD_ROOT_NAME=name
15:42
TheMatrix3000: no, you should fix the above files to contain correct settings
15:42
inetd.conf, dhcpd.conf, pxelinux.cfg/default
15:42
<TheMatrix3000>
they are correct
15:42
<alkisg>
Put them in pastebin if you need help
15:42
<obrienmd>
alkisg: thanks, will try
15:42
<TheMatrix3000>
dhcpd runs on pfsense
15:42
and has the same config as before
15:42
and has worked for the past year
15:42
<alkisg>
Well, before you had i386, right?
15:42
So you're just still using thin clients
15:42
<TheMatrix3000>
yea like 6 months ago
15:43
now its fat-i386
15:43
and still is i just had to rebuild the image today
15:43
cause the image was corrupted after an updat
15:43
<alkisg>
TheMatrix3000: on the localxterm, do: cat /proc/cmdline
15:43
Paste that here
15:43
Then, paste your /etc/inetd.conf in pastebin
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(we mostly care about the nbdport of the command line)
15:46
<TheMatrix3000>
http://pastebin.com/CaQhb28y
15:47
http://pastebin.com/TPEdCKjZ
15:47
<alkisg>
2000               stream  tcp nowait  nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdrootd /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
15:47
So you're serving the i386.img to the client
15:48
<TheMatrix3000>
ah, wow
15:48
<alkisg>
Just fix your inetd.conf to point to fat-i386
15:48
<TheMatrix3000>
that's retarded
15:48
k
15:48
<alkisg>
And restart openbsd-inetd
15:49
<TheMatrix3000>
ok restarted, testing now
15:50
um now thin clients aren't able to hit the tftp
15:50
oh there we go
15:52
<alkisg>
Tip: when you have some free time, remove i386 from everywhere, rename fat-i386 to i386, and run: sudo ltsp-update-image --force
15:52
<TheMatrix3000>
k
15:52
<alkisg>
The --force part updates $CHROOT/boot/pxelinux.cfg/default too, so that you don't have problems on other updates
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<TheMatrix3000>
alkisg, where else should I look?
16:09
for i386 that i need to delete
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<TheMatrix3000>
fat clients aren't getting the dns servers by DHCP?
16:15
but they are getting an ip
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and the windows computers on the network are fune
16:15
fine* as well as non fat clients
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18:13
<TheMatrix3000>
http://pastebin.com/Z13B7jsL
18:13
would that work to make fat clients use the proxy
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19:06
<m4xx>
where can i find up to date info about setting up a kiosk station?
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<TheMatrix3000>
Does this look right http://pastebin.com/Z13B7jsL ?
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19:31
<roasted>
whats up guys
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19:32
<roasted>
finally got a powerpc machine running ubuntu 10.04 so I can make a chroot and get it going
19:32
problem is its erroring out to build the image
19:33
I've tried --arch powerpc, --arch ppc, and just ltsp-build-client by itself. all 3 error out
19:33
<m4xx>
what is the error?
19:33
<roasted>
saying couldnt download dists lucid main binary-powerpc packages. error - ltsp client installation ended abnormally
19:33
dists/lucid/main/binary-powerpc/packages
19:33
to be exact
19:35
my goal was to set up ltsp on a powerpc mac so I can make the chroot and copy it, then plop it on a power moreful amd/intel server and utilize the ppc chroot with ppc clients.
19:35
so I can have a mixed environment - dell server with powerpc imac clients
19:35
<m4xx>
im not sure that you have to jump through all those hoops
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<roasted>
I was told I had to do the chroot on a powerpc machine so I can build the chroot
19:36
<m4xx>
i believe you should just be able to build the client on the server you've already got set up
19:36
perhaps i'm wrong
19:36
<roasted>
I was told that wasn't the case...
19:36
at least in ubuntu
19:36
some other distros with better powerpc support (aka debian) would have had less of an issue with it
19:36
but that reliability wise I should just build it on a powerpc system so I can have a true legit chroot
19:36
then copy it over and call it a day
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<m4xx>
have you at least tried it?
19:37
<roasted>
but alas I can't even copy the darn thing :(
19:37
oh yes. the mac is right here.
19:37
<m4xx>
no i mean on the server itself
19:37
<roasted>
I didnt bother since I read from dozens of sources it wasnt possible in ubuntu
19:37
but nonetheless I have a mac system here that cant build the chroot...
19:40
<vagrantc>
roasted: i thinnk powerpc isn't an officially supported architecture on ubuntu and you need to specify alternate mirrors
19:40
<roasted>
vagrantc: you're right, it's not officially supported anymore on ubuntu.
19:40
vagrantc: how exactly would I specify alternate mirrors?
19:40
<vagrantc>
so you need to tell ltsp-build-client what to use ...
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ltsp-build-client --extra-help | grep mirror
19:41
<roasted>
as in --arch?
19:41
<m4xx>
vagrantc: can you give me a link to where i can read more about kiosk setups? i see the --kiosk option for the build client, but i'm not sure where to set up the default url n such
19:42
<vagrantc>
i don't know much about kiosk setups
19:42
i did port the ubuntu code over to something more generic for debian
19:42
but that was probably years ago and maay very well be broken now
19:42
<roasted>
so I have to set the mirror as part of the build-client command?
19:43
<TheMatrix3000>
ok, for some reason when i run an ltsp-update-image -a fat-i386 it just sits there at creating 4.0 filesystem
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19:43
<TheMatrix3000>
woohoo there we go
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<TheMatrix3000>
slower than mollasses though
19:47
alkisg: now that I removed all the previous can I make a new image with i386 as the name and everything, and then update and build that image?
19:47
<alkisg>
TheMatrix3000: you mean you removed everything under /opt/ltsp ?
19:47
<TheMatrix3000>
yes, the i386 stuff
19:48
<alkisg>
Then sure you can create a new one
19:48
<TheMatrix3000>
and i can have the fat client use opt/ltsp/i386
19:48
<alkisg>
There are some tricks in the wiki page about speeding up fat clients
19:48
!fatclients
19:48
<ltsp>
alkisg: fatclients: You may find some info about the Ubuntu/LTSP implementation of fat clients at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
19:49
<alkisg>
You only need 1 chroot for both thin and fat clients, /opt/ltsp/i386 should suffice for all, yes
19:49
<TheMatrix3000>
ok awesome
19:49
<roasted>
I wonder if this is a zipped up ppc chroot that I can use?
19:49
https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/wiki/PPCClientHOWTO
19:49
<m4xx>
!kiosk
19:49
<ltsp>
m4xx: I do not know about 'kiosk', but I do know about these similar topics: 'kiosk-lucid'
19:50
<m4xx>
!kiosk-lucid
19:50
<ltsp>
m4xx: kiosk-lucid: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/572974
19:50
<vagrantc>
roasted: just specify your mirrors
19:50
or use a distro that actually supports powerpc :)
19:51
<roasted>
vagrantc: that would help, if I knew how to do that. I'm not seeing anything in this help page so far.
19:51
--mirror, okay fine
19:51
then what?
19:51
I have 60 seconds left on this download... soooo....
19:51
if this works I'll be a happy camper ;)
19:51
<m4xx>
alkisg: any chance you can point me to some detailed info about customizing a --kiosk setup?
19:52
<alkisg>
m4xx: I think the best place is the irclogs in the /topic
19:52
Which distro?
19:52
(and version?)
19:52
<m4xx>
ubuntu server 10.04
19:52
<alkisg>
There are a couple of bugs in the kiosk plugin but nothing too much
19:52
<vagrantc>
roasted: while it's technically possible to use a different distro, that comes with a lot of consequences...
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19:53
<alkisg>
A file missing, a patch that needs applying etc
19:53
<vagrantc>
roasted: though most of which you'll already suffer by doing cross-architecture...
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19:53
<roasted>
vagrantc: I know. this is just a little experiment that I have zero hope in, BUT, if it works, we could save some serious tax payer dollars.
19:53
<vagrantc>
roasted: look in your powerpc machine's /etc/apt/sources.list for what mirrors you need to use
19:53
<alkisg>
m4xx: start by just running the ltsp-build-client --kiosk command, and then when you hit the bugs search in the logs to solve them one by one
19:53
Or just ask again
19:53
<roasted>
vagrantc: sounds good. to be honest I want to try this tarball first. it sounds like someone just built the chroot and hosted it to avoid having to install it on ppc machines like I already did.
19:53
<vagrantc>
roasted: and then specify with --mirror URL and maybe --security-mirror URL and maybe --updates-mirror URL ...
19:54
<m4xx>
alkisg, i've already successfully built the chroot with out any errors
19:54
i know i have to set screen_07 to kiosk
19:54
<vagrantc>
roasted: i don't know what --mirror related arguments ubuntu uses
19:54
<m4xx>
i'm just unsure of how to set the default url
19:54
<roasted>
vagrantc: so I'm supposed to use the update mirror that this exact 10.04 PPC box is using?
19:55
<vagrantc>
roasted: well, whatever mirrors it's using work for powerpc ... so it's not a half-bad idea
19:55
<roasted>
vagrantc: why wouldnt it do that by default, if that's the case?
19:55
why wouldn't it use already established system mirrors?
19:56
<vagrantc>
there may even be --copy-sourceslist
19:56
roasted: because it still needs to know the default mirror in a different format
19:56
so you could probably do: --mirror URL --copy-sourceslist ...
19:56
<alkisg>
m4xx: Do you get a browser on the client? If not, did you put the kiosksession missing file?
19:57
<m4xx>
hmm
19:57
<alkisg>
m4xx: you can set the URL in KIOSK_OPTIONS, afaik
19:57
<m4xx>
ah, i think that's what i'm looking for,
19:57
now i have 2 directories in my tftp/tsp dir
19:58
i386 and kiosk
19:58
what would be the proper way to do this? do i modify ltsp/dhcpd.conf ?
19:58
<vagrantc>
maybe copy-sourceslist is a sane default, although i definitely routinely use different sources on the server than the thin client chroots i'm building ... different versions of the OS, usually.
19:58
<m4xx>
to boot to the kiosk chroot?
19:58
<alkisg>
m4xx: Do you want all your clients to boot with kiosk? Or only some of them? And how? By mac address? With a menu?
19:58
Lots of methods/options...
19:59
<m4xx>
no, only 1 client
19:59
the rest will get the default i386 chroot
19:59
hmm
20:00
that's true, i could have a menu in the boot process cant i
20:00
<alkisg>
Then do it from your dhcpd.conf or from pxelinux.cfg/01-mac-address
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20:03* alkisg reboots to windows after months, to try "ltsp server in a vbox appliance" :)
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20:03
<alkisg>
If that works fast, it'll be the easiest way ever to migrate schools to ltsp fat clients... just install vbox, copy appliance, ready
20:03
<roasted>
vagrantc: this damn thing errored out when I untar'd it. time for some mirror commands...
20:05
actually I might be on to something...
20:05
<alkisg>
roasted: the chroot doesn't have to be the same distro as your server, why don't you try with debian?
20:06
<roasted>
well, I COULD. except I already have an ubuntu install on a PPC machine.
20:06
figured I'd at least give it a shot. ya know?
20:06
<alkisg>
What does it have in its /etc/sources.list ?
20:07
<roasted>
as far as what eactly?
20:07
its of course a lot listed
20:07
<alkisg>
!pastebin
20:07
<ltsp>
alkisg: pastebin: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
20:07
<roasted>
looks like the regular sources.list I'm used to seeing
20:07
hang on...
20:09
http://pastebin.com/DcbSx2S2
20:09
<alkisg>
And, does this work? sudo mkdir -p /opt/ltsp/powerpc; sudo debootstrap lucid /opt/ltsp/powerpc
20:10
http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/dists/lucid/main/binary-powerpc/ => it seems to be there
20:11
<roasted>
one second, I'm going to test boot this ibook to see if it works iwth this chroot I just got from that site above...
20:11* alkisg reboots to win, bbiab
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20:29
<TheMatrix3000>
damnit
20:29
the gnome panel issue again
20:35
where would i put a command to be ran once the thin client starts
20:37
<Hyperbyte>
TheMatrix3000, when exactly do you want the command to run?
20:43
<TheMatrix3000>
gnome-panel
20:43
as a fix cause with 11.04 with fat clients some systems have issues with gnome panel starting up
20:44
we discussed this before but I lost my logs, and forgot the solution
20:44
!logs
20:44
<ltsp>
TheMatrix3000: I do not know about 'logs', but I do know about these similar topics: 'ldm', 'ltsp'
20:44
<TheMatrix3000>
!logs
20:44
<ltsp>
TheMatrix3000: I do not know about 'logs', but I do know about these similar topics: 'ldm', 'ltsp'
20:44
<TheMatrix3000>
!ltsp
20:44
<ltsp>
TheMatrix3000: ltsp: LTSP is the Linux Terminal Server Project, the open source thin client solution. You can find it at http://www.ltsp.org
20:44
<TheMatrix3000>
!motd
20:44
<ltsp>
TheMatrix3000: Error: "motd" is not a valid command.
20:44
<TheMatrix3000>
!topic
20:44
<ltsp>
TheMatrix3000: I do not know about 'topic', but I do know about these similar topics: 'topics'
20:46
<TheMatrix3000>
ok looking through the logs to see what i can find
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<TheMatrix3000>
!gnome-panel
20:56
<ltsp>
TheMatrix3000: gnome-panel: to completely reset gnome-panels: gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/panel && killall gnome-panel
20:57
<TheMatrix3000>
!gnome-panel-failure
20:57
<ltsp>
TheMatrix3000: Error: "gnome-panel-failure" is not a valid command.
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21:00
<vagrantc>
!topics
21:00
<ltsp>
vagrantc: topics: To get a list of topics, type ltspbot: factoids search --values
21:00
<vagrantc>
ltsp: factoids search --values
21:01
lot of good that did.
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