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Channel log from 13 May 2009   (all times are UTC)

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<manu_ubu>
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∕æ
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<dipeshmehta>
L - S ...
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<manu_ubu>
sorry pb with keyboard
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<chrisjrob>
i would like to install nxclient as a screen script, there is a lot of very old documentation around mostly conflicting, i assume that it should just be a case of install nxclient in the chroot, and then mirroring the rdesktop script, but does anyone have any pointers or alternative suggestions before i get stuck in?
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<X-TaZ>
# Install the NX server: apt-get install freenx-vnc freenx-server nxagent x11-xserver-utils --no-install-recommends
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# Edit /etc/nxserver/node.conf
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<chrisjrob>
i have the freenx server installed already, i was rather hoping to get the client software working as a screen script, a la rdesktop
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<X-TaZ>
I have an issue with LDM_PRINTER_LIST='hp_LaserJet_2300_series_14.1.250.10' . It appears to not being used on the thin clients. When I print it launches "default"
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<X-TaZ>
( its in ltsp-cluster )
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<sandobal>
helo, wanted to kame my first install of edubuntu 9.04 LTSP Server is there some wiki. Or does it run out of box?
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<X-TaZ>
I have an issue with LDM_PRINTER_LIST='hp_LaserJet_2300_series_14.1.250.10' . It appears to not being used on the thin clients. When I print it launches "default"
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<openstep>
hi
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<chrisjrob>
X-TaZ: do you need LDM_PRINTER_DEFAULT="hp_LaserJet_2300_series_14.1.250.10" as well? i've never used this functionality.
06:48
<openstep>
anyone here have experience with multiple ltsp servers in one network?
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<X-TaZ>
chrisjrob, its a ltsp-cluster fonctionality :X
06:49
<chrisjrob>
X-TaZ: i gathered from this http://pastebin.com/f23105b3e
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<openstep>
ok, and can you give me some insight as how hard it is to install?
06:50
<chrisjrob>
X-TaZ: google found it, probably from someone's not working, so be warned.
06:50
<X-TaZ>
chrisjrob, ty, i already read this :)
06:51
There is absolutely nothing on google about help for ltsp-cluster. This function is by default in the web-admin ltsp-cluster-control
06:51
<openstep>
and have you tired to make it work?
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<X-TaZ>
So i think it could be used. Im waiting for stgraber
06:52
openstep, talking to me ?
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<openstep>
:)
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yes
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<X-TaZ>
Well ltsp-cluster is almost hard to install. But works nicely
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<openstep>
is it working for you?
06:53
<X-TaZ>
Yes its working on a test platform
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I'm using 5 servers and 2 clients :')
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Working since yesterday :)
06:53
<openstep>
cool, can you help me set up one?
06:53
I am having trouble
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<X-TaZ>
For sure
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Tell me :)
06:54
<openstep>
do you have a good documentation?
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<X-TaZ>
https://wiki.stgraber.org/LTSP-Cluster/Documentation/OpenVZSetup
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Its the one i used, but didnt used virtualization
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<openstep>
I have a working neviroment in s high school
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<X-TaZ>
I'm currently writing a 40page document about it, will be released when school will have noted it
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<openstep>
but with one server
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and now I would like to add more servers and clients
06:55
have been struggling with ubuntu 8.04
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on a test platform to add ldap on one server
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...
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can you tell me how you managed to work?
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<X-TaZ>
i'm currently installing ldap
06:57
Heheh I followed the documentation that i gave to you 2 mins ago
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<openstep>
what was your base distro?
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<X-TaZ>
applyed this http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LDAP and this and this http://www.ltsp.org/~sbalneav/LTSPManual.html#id2537753
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My base distro is 8.10
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<openstep>
server version or desktop?
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<X-TaZ>
server version for 4 of my servers + 1 ( the root server ) in desktop, because i'm working on it ( it the only one who have a screen :p )
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How many thin clients do you manage to use with it ?
07:01
<openstep>
well, planned to serve 32 with one server
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but we have an old dos educational software that eats up a lot of cpu
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so I need to add another server
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<X-TaZ>
If you want to install ltsp-cluster, i suggest you tu read the helps for mille-xterm. ltsp-cluster isnt so documented
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<openstep>
but as far as I know mille-xterm is different from ubuntu ltsp
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at least network wise
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<X-TaZ>
Well, installing a loadbalancing system is a bit to hard in order to server only 32 persons
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mille-xterm became ltsp-cluster
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<openstep>
we will transform more clients once I know how to implement ltsp cluster
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<X-TaZ>
I think you'd better split your network in two parts - with a router or a vlan - and connect one ltsp server on each part of your network
07:04
Hey ok
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<openstep>
no thanks
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on this site I do not see how to actually install and configure https://wiki.stgraber.org/LTSP-Cluster
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<X-TaZ>
I told you to read the mille-xterm documentation, because with it you can understand better how ltsp-cluster works - ltsp-cluster's website is so poor of informations
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<openstep>
ok, I will
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<X-TaZ>
https://wiki.stgraber.org/LTSP-Cluster/Documentation/OpenVZSetup
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Just remove the virtualisation parts from this docs and you are done :)
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<chrisjrob>
i would like to install nxclient as a screen script, there is a lot of very old documentation around mostly conflicting, i assume that it should just be a case of install nxclient in the chroot, and then mirroring the rdesktop script, but does anyone have any pointers or alternative suggestions before i get stuck in?
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<openstep>
so start with installing ubuntu
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then follow with mille...
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<X-TaZ>
Do you have 5 servers ?
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Or a powerfull one ( to use virtualization )
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<openstep>
one
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but would like to add 1-2 more
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<X-TaZ>
So you'll need to use openVZ
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ltsp-cluster needs 5 servers to work ( can be virtualized ) 1 for boot - 1 for control - 1 for load balancing - 2 for apps servers
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<openstep>
what is that?
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<X-TaZ>
the 3 first can be some very old machines
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what is tha , what ?
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<openstep>
openvz
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virtualizing?
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<X-TaZ>
yes
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With openvz running on a powerfull server, you can emulate 5 ubuntu-servers running
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its cool for testings
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<openstep>
aha, I see
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so how long did this take you to install?
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and set up
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<X-TaZ>
1 week
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<openstep>
24/day :)
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<X-TaZ>
Nono
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Its feseable within 3 hours
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<openstep>
first I need to understand how ot works
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<X-TaZ>
When you have a complete doc ( it issnt the case for ltsp-cluster )
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You have to find loads of things, like asking stgraber many things that are not on the doc, it makes waste lot of time
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<openstep>
since you have it already working can you write it down what to watch out for?
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<X-TaZ>
no :)
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<openstep>
oh, I see
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<X-TaZ>
i gave you keys, and i don't have time right now
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if you have some particular question i'llbe there
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<openstep>
ok, thanks
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<openstep>
ok, now can you tell me just one more
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what documentation is best to use?
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I do not read French
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like it says on mille website
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http://www.mille-xterm.org/en/Main_Page
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this one do you mean?
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<X-TaZ>
http://www.mille-xterm.org/en/Mille-xterm_components_and_features_list
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this one explains the most how it works
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<openstep>
ok thanks
07:26
cu later
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<yoshi_>
n
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<danners>
hey i want to install ltsp on a server, with dhcp running on a nother server in my network how do i do this?
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<Gadi>
danners: turn off dhcp on the ltsp server and tell the other server to use the ltsp server for pxe (by setting next-server and filename)
08:39
on ubuntu, you may also need to add the nbdroot=<ip:port> kernel command line argument to the pxelinux.cfg file
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<X-TaZ>
Does someont here have a fresh LDAP for LTSP doc ? the /etc/pam_ldap.conf in http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LDAP is missing
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erf
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<yoshi_>
hi everyone
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<Gadi>
X-TaZ: tps://help.ubuntu.com/8.10/serverguide/C/openldap-server.html
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oops
08:54
X-TaZ: https://help.ubuntu.com/8.10/serverguide/C/openldap-server.html
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<X-TaZ>
Gadi, ty, but my problem is on ltsp-server side
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My openldap-server is up and running
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<Gadi>
X-TaZ: if you cannot authenticate, then look at the authentication part of that guide
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its way down the page
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<X-TaZ>
I want to make ltsp search in ldap ( not in /etc/passwd )
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<Gadi>
right
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has nothing to do with ltsp
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just set up pam on the server as described
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LTSP uses ssh, which means ssh needs to auth properly through pam
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<X-TaZ>
If you read what i wrote, some conf file doesnt exist
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<Gadi>
sudo auth-client-config -a -p lac_ldap
08:58
have you tried that?
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<yoshi_>
we are thinking of a solution, in junior schools here in europe they are ok with running openoffice and all that administration stuff throught ltsp, but they want to run children programs like robby the rabbit and putt putt and so on also... so there is a need voor windows :( What we are thinking now: we put up a windows XP box and aktivate it so you can access RDP through the webbrowser ( this can be don) also there is a hack you can have multiple rdp connectio
08:59
is this a good approche you guys think
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or is there another way to publish these specific games throught ltsp
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<Gadi>
yoshi_: well, it doesnt sound legal
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<X-TaZ>
Gadi, Error in updating the file: 'pam_account' not found
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<Gadi>
the proper way is put in a windows terminal server
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X-TaZ: what distro?
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<X-TaZ>
Ubuntu 8.10
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<Gadi>
sudo apt-get install libnss-ldap
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<X-TaZ>
I havent finished configuring cuz some files are missing
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<Gadi>
sudo dpkg-reconfigure ldap-auth-config
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sudo auth-client-config -a -p lac_ldap
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do those 3 steps
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<yoshi_>
Gadi, well ripping off people with garbage software isnt' pretty either :) but however lets say i install a terminal server, is this the a good way to publish these kids learning games ? or is it done in another way ?
09:02
i read about seamless rdp also
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<Gadi>
you dont need to publish them through a web browser
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<X-TaZ>
Gadi : in sudo dpkg-reconfigure ldap-auth-config , should i choose the md5 encryption ?
09:02
<Gadi>
just access them with rdesktop
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X-TaZ: if that is what is used in your server
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<yoshi_>
Gadi, yes but i don't want the full desktop, but i could make a custom schell offcourse
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<X-TaZ>
i dont know what is used in my server. I used default installation
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<Gadi>
X-TaZ: then use defaults there too
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<X-TaZ>
ok :)
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<Gadi>
yoshi_: you can do seemless with the cendio application for the term server
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<X-TaZ>
Well i done these 3 steps
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root@app2:/etc/pam.d# sudo auth-client-config -a -p lac_ldap
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Error in updating the file: 'pam_account' not found
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<Gadi>
X-TaZ: have you modified pam by hand?
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<yoshi_>
Gadi, do you have experiance with that does it work fast ?
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<Gadi>
yoshi_: depends on the application
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<X-TaZ>
i've modified the gdm file in /etc/pam.d like the doc said
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<Gadi>
you can try it with XP pro legally with 1 rdp connection
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<Gadi>
:)
09:05
X-TaZ: undo your mods
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<yoshi_>
gadi mostly is made by macromedia director and flash
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<Gadi>
X-TaZ: you were following old docs
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<X-TaZ>
ok I have gdm.old ready :)
09:05
Do you know a fresh doc link ?
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<yoshi_>
Gadi, thanks for the advice
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<Gadi>
the one i posted
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:)
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<yoshi_>
iam reading the openldap discussion here, interessting but what delivers openldap more of functionality in a 50 seats env ?
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<Gadi>
yoshi_: no problem. I definitely recommend testing
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<ogra>
yoshi_, honestly nothing
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<X-TaZ>
this 1 https://help.ubuntu.com/8.10/serverguide/C/openldap-server.html ? ok :)
09:07
<yoshi_>
so why do people want is then ?
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<X-TaZ>
I undo-ed but still dont work
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<ogra>
yoshi_, it makes sense if you have multiple servers or 100s of users
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its totally doesnt make any sense for a single server with 50 users though
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<Gadi>
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/auth-client-config/+bug/295008
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<X-TaZ>
with ltsp-cluster it would be perfect :)
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<Gadi>
X-TaZ: ^^
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<yoshi_>
i read some info on ltsp cluster is it stable enough to work ?
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<X-TaZ>
Gadi, thank you, but "Work-around: Copy the previous profile file from ubuntu 8.04" I don't have the file from 8.04 :X
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<Gadi>
X-TaZ: and if you run: sudo pam-auth-update ldap
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<X-TaZ>
yoshi_, i'm using it with only 2 users. But i read it works with hundreds
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Gadi, done. To test i have to use auth-client-config -a -p lac_ldap ?
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<Gadi>
try running that again
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and see if you get the same error
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<X-TaZ>
still got the error
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<Gadi>
do you see ldap users when you do: getent passwd
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<X-TaZ>
hmm no, i see my local users
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<Gadi>
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-server-73/error-in-updating-the-file-pamaccount-not-found-709701/
09:18
this guy just added the lines to the file and reran the command
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try that as a workaround
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but it seems to be a bug that has not been properly addressed in ubuntu as yet
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<X-TaZ>
** WARNING: Skipping 'ldap-auth-config' (couldn't process)
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Usage: auth-client-config -p PROFILE -a -t TYPE [-dn -f FILE]
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auth-client-config -p PROFILE -a -t TYPE -r [-n -f FILE]
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auth-client-config -p PROFILE -a -t TYPE -s [-f FILE]
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auth-client-config: error: option -p: invalid choice: 'lac_ldap' (choose from 'ldap_example', 'kerberos_example', 'cracklib')
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i've retried your commmand line : sudo auth-client-config -a -p lac_ldap
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Still no ldap users in getent passwd
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<Gadi>
X-TaZ: can you do an ldapsearch of the ldap server?
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first make sure ldap is set up
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then make sure pam is set up
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<chrisjrob>
i am trying to get nxclient working as a screen script. i have installed NoMachine's nxclient in the chroot. i have copied the rdesktop screen script and modified it to run /usr/NX/bin/nxclient, but when i set it to SCREEN_07 it complains that there are missing system files from NX. i tried copying some user .nx files and it did log into the server, but never displayed the screen. any ideas gratefully received.
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<X-TaZ>
root@app2:/etc/pam.d# ldapsearch -h 14.1.170.3 -b "dc=ltsp, dc=org"
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SASL/DIGEST-MD5 authentication started
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Please enter your password:
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ldap_sasl_interactive_bind_s: Invalid credentials (49)
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credentials ? ??
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<Gadi>
add -x
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<X-TaZ>
Ok, well it ltspsearch works . i can see my guests ldap users
09:36
Now i have to test my PAM, but as you know the command don't works :x
09:36
<Gadi>
right
09:36
first
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grep ldap /etc/nsswitch.conf
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<X-TaZ>
passwd: files ldap
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group: files ldap
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shadow: files ldap
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it seems to be good
09:38
<Gadi>
great!
09:38
next:
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check /etc/ldap.conf
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<X-TaZ>
this file sound to be good : uri ldapi://14.1.170.3
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and rootbinddn cn=admin,dc=ltsp,dc=org
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+ hundreds commented lines , Gadi
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<X-TaZ>
I give up :) I'll see it tomorow. Bye and thank you
09:44
<Gadi>
np
09:44
yeah, sucks when there's a bug like this
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<rcmysoft>
hey, my ltsp server 5.0 edubuntu 8.10 did not work correctly. Clients were booting randomy and carshes. I tried for 7 day to solve the problem. Now it is solved. I just installed edubuntu 9.04 LTSP Server and all my 10 Clients are working out of box, smile
09:46
<ogra>
cool
09:46
<rcmysoft>
ogra: I'm so happy.
09:47
<ogra>
me too to hear that ... especially after seeing your frustration the last week
09:47
<treyh>
rcmysoft: I told you that a reinstall would work :)
09:48
rcmysoft: did you change the network setup?
09:49
<rcmysoft>
hey, trey. Thank you. I did not chaned anything this time i too the default 192.168.0 network as you told me.
09:49
<treyh>
rcmysoft: awesome, seems like I always had problems when using the alternate installer and changing the subnet, maybe I forgot something though lol
09:50
<rcmysoft>
now i am a little afraid to install suid proxy.
09:50
but i will install it it should not to take affect on ltsp. or?
09:50
<treyh>
nah should be fine
09:50
install it on the ltsp server, not in the chroot
09:51
<rcmysoft>
treyh, you were 100% right with you hints.
09:51
yeah i will istall it on the server, because i need children protection for the internet (squidguard)
09:52
<treyh>
have you ever tried dansguardian?
09:52
I've used squidguard and dansguardian, and I like dansguardian better
09:53
<rcmysoft>
no. Only squidquard.
09:53
<treyh>
yea either will work
09:53* ogra would alsways install a proxy on a separate machine
09:53
<treyh>
ogra: ogra is right
09:53
<ogra>
and set up a firewall that blocks port 80 for all other machines
09:54
<Gadi>
and change the default access denied pages to something rude and inappropriate
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<treyh>
I usually make mine say, BOOOYAHHHH Denied
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<Gadi>
I usually just link them to ogra's blog :P
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<treyh>
lol
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<ogra>
haha
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<rcmysoft>
ogra: you are right but i have no more pc for a proxy, should i leave it to install it on ltsp server
09:55
<treyh>
rcmysoft: how many users will be using the proxy and ltsp server?
09:55
<rcmysoft>
12 userser.
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<treyh>
heavy internet users?
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<jammcq>
bom dia
09:56
<rcmysoft>
no just kids. Sometimes taking lessons how to use internet
09:56
<ogra>
hey jammcq
09:56
<jammcq>
hey ogra
09:56
how's things?
09:56
<ogra>
busy
09:56
<treyh>
rcmysoft: not the best solution but it would work
09:57
<CAN-o-SPAM>
hey jam
09:57
<jammcq>
ogra: hey, jaunty is looking pretty nice. kudos to you guys.
09:57* ogra is debugging binutils the whole day ....
09:57
<jammcq>
CAN-o-SPAM: howdie
09:57
<rcmysoft>
oki. Will try.
09:57
<ogra>
on a bug that only manifests at the end of a kernel build ...
09:57
quite time consuming and boring
09:57
<treyh>
lol
09:58
<ogra>
ARM is so much fun !
09:58
<Gadi>
build smaller kernels
09:58
:P
09:58
<ogra>
heh
09:58
no, we're rather working towards bigger arms :)
09:58
GYMs for the whole ubuntu team !
09:59* Gadi can't help but picture Hans and Franz
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<rcmysoft>
orga, treyh what do you think about ltsp-update-sshkeys. Is there a need to use it often? On the old installation i had to run it every day. Is it with a working ltsp the same?
10:00
<chrisjrob>
still trying to get nxclient screen script working. i now get a login prompt with SCREEN_07=nxclient and it almost gets to the point of logging in (indeed the session is created on the server) when X restarts.
10:00
<treyh>
rcmysoft: you should only have to run that if your ip changes
10:01
if it's static you'll never need to run that command
10:01
<rcmysoft>
thats good to hear.
10:03
oki, bye and thank you for your hints. I am now a member of ltsProject i like linux very much. Bye =:0)
10:03
<chrisjrob>
on the ML i read a comment stating that you should start x with -noreset switch, which i added to the end of the xinit line in the nxclient screen script (a mirror of the rdesktop one), but it made no difference.
10:03
<ogra>
we like you too :)
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10:10
<Gadi>
chrisjrob: install a light window manager, such as xfwm4 and make a wrapper script that runs nxclient in the background and then the window manager
10:10
bbiab
10:11
<chrisjrob>
thanks Gadi
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<epsas>
vagrantc - is there a xlib package that avoids the sluggish X over SSH behavior?
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<ogra>
vagrantc, would you mind joining #ubuntu-devel for a second ?
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<epsas>
does anybody have a reference to the sluggish X-over-ssh performance caused by the xlib in Debian/Ubuntu?
11:31
this is something that I will need to reference inside of an internal bug report
11:36
<ogra>
you mean the libxcb issue for java ?
11:38
<epsas>
no - the bug that causes firefox and thunderbird (et al) to be sluggish on Debian LTSP
11:39
<ogra>
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libxcb/+bug/277069
11:39
check the bug
11:39
or https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17868 for the upstream equivalent
11:44
epsas, and the debian equivalent http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=487635
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<ogra>
vagrantc, btw i think you asked me recently about it ... :)
11:50
vagrantc, i liked the debian and LP bugs https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+bug/277069
11:51
<vagrantc>
ogra: ah, good. :)
11:51
<epsas>
has anybody tried to downgrade libX11 in Debian? I am curious how it affects everything
11:52
<ogra>
did you try the env var fix mentioned in the debian bug ?
11:52
if that works we could punch it into ldm until the lib is fixed
11:52
downgrading the lib will likely get you into driver trouble
11:52
<epsas>
yeah
11:53
<ogra>
since the drivers are linked against the lib version at build time
11:53
<epsas>
okay
11:53
where would i set the LD_ settings so that all the clients would see it
11:54
<ogra>
either in LDM with a hack to the env or in a XSession.d script on the server
11:55
<epsas>
okay - lemme investigate
11:55
i guess i need to read the upstream bug report now
11:58
<Mip5>
Hi Folks - I'm still trying to get the nvidia drivers installed so that my thin clients can use them.
11:59
I've been working on this for several days, but still can't get it. I've created a new chroot environment. Anyone out there want to assist in setting this up from scratch?
12:00
<_UsUrPeR_>
mip5: ok
12:00
I will be semi-available
12:00
download the nvidia drivers you are using on the clients
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<Mip5>
Do you mean from Nvidia's site, or the ones that synaptic would provide?
12:01
<_UsUrPeR_>
mip5: after that, cp the drivers to /opt/ltsp/i386
12:01
cd opt/ltsp/i386
12:01
<rcmysoft>
hey, alkisg my ltsp is working now, smile
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12:01
<_UsUrPeR_>
mount --bind /proc /opt/ltsp/i386/proc
12:02
chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
12:02
run the nvidia installation process
12:02
let me know what happens after that
12:03
<rcmysoft>
alkisg are you on stage?
12:05
<Mip5>
_UsUrPer_ - I'm downloading it now. When I tried this last time, it complained about not having the kernel sources. I don't know to specify them if they are not found.
12:06
Specifically, can the chrooted env access stuff outside it? If not, should I copy the sources to it? If so, where?
12:06
<_UsUrPeR_>
mip5: copy-paste the error once you get that.
12:06
we'll go from there
12:06
<Mip5>
will do
12:07* ogra would just go with the matching nvidia-glx-XXX package, thats precompiled
12:08
<_UsUrPeR_>
ogra: point that man to it. I do not know where they're located
12:09
<ogra>
i dont have any nvidia HW so i dont know which of the available ones his card needs
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<ogra>
in any case dont forget to run update-initramfs -u in the chroot and ltsp-update-kernels on the server as the last steps to get the module into the initramfs
12:09
<Mip5>
ogra _UsUrPer_ I can find the right one using aptitude
12:10
<_UsUrPeR_>
I didn't know apt had nvidia packages :)
12:10
<ogra>
sure :)
12:10
<Mip5>
ogra - I definitely didn't run update-initramfs -u when I tried it (but I did run ltsp-update-kernels
12:11
<ogra>
ubuntu has
12:11
<_UsUrPeR_>
all my ubuntu installs have awful video cards attached to them
12:11
<alkisg>
rcmysoft: pong
12:11
<ogra>
as well as fglrx
12:11
<alkisg>
rcmysoft: so what was the problem?
12:11
<_UsUrPeR_>
oh wait, except for my laptop... I used envyNG to install those drivers
12:12
<Mip5>
So - if I were going to use the available packages from the repositories - what *exactly* is the process. This is the part that I think is failing - not the actual drivers themselves, but the install into the chroot.
12:12
<epsas>
ogra - would setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH="/path/to/old/libx11" inside of /etc/X11/Xsession.d/10x11_xcbfix work?
12:12
<ogra>
right, envy is obsolete, its been integrated into jockey i think
12:13
epsas, LD_LIBRARY_PATH ?
12:13
epsas, did you read the bug ?
12:13
<epsas>
yes
12:13
<ogra>
where does it talk about LD_LIBRARY_PATH ?
12:14
<epsas>
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libxcb/+bug/277069/comments/18
12:14* ogra sees LIBXCB_QUEUE_BUFFER_SIZE
12:14
<epsas>
is the queue buffer size a fix?
12:14
it seems like the downgrading option definately works
12:14
<ogra>
no idea, apparently nobody replied to the debian X maintainer yet
12:14
it works on ubuntu
12:15
i wouldnt count on it working on debian
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12:15
<ogra>
the debian X versions are a lot farther apart
12:15
<Mip5>
_UsUrPer_ ogra - would you mind detailing the sequence as to how to install this using aptitude into the chroot. I feel I must be missing something.
12:15
<epsas>
how did you implement your libxcb env change?
12:15
inside of XSession ?
12:15
<ogra>
i didnt
12:15
<epsas>
ok
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<epsas>
i guess i will wait till vagrantc pops back in to see if i can confer with him
12:16
<ogra>
if you want to set an nev var, look at /etc/X11/Xsession.d/
12:16
*env var
12:16
just add a file that sets it
12:17
<Gadi>
(or use CLIENT_ENV in lts.conf)
12:17
<ogra>
so create your /etc/X11/Xsession.d/10x11_xcbfix and set LIBXCB_QUEUE_BUFFER_SIZE=16384 there and boot a client
12:17
<Gadi>
:)
12:18
<ogra>
or that
12:18
<epsas>
Gadi - has this worked for you?
12:18
<Gadi>
no
12:18
just talking smack
12:18
:)
12:18
<ogra>
though it might be that you need to have it set inside the chroot already
12:18
<Gadi>
I am more of a butcher
12:18
I would install old libraries and pray
12:18
:)
12:18
<ogra>
he's from the gangs of NY you know ? :)
12:18
<epsas>
well yeah, i don't want to install the old libraries
12:19
heh
12:19
<Gadi>
"prayer - the last refuge of a scoundrel"
12:19
<alkisg>
ogra, if I got this straight, the maintainer said that LIBXCB_QUEUE_BUFFER_SIZE is a compile time #define, not an environment variable. So a compilation is needed for proper testing...
12:19
<ogra>
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=487635#25
12:20
<alkisg>
"the queue size is set at build time, not run time."
12:20
<ogra>
xcb_buffer_size = getenv("LIBXCB_QUEUE_BUFFER_SIZE");
12:20
from the libxcb source
12:20
<alkisg>
OK I'm just reading the bug report. The source knows better :)
12:20
<Gadi>
CLIENT_ENV="LIBXCB_QUEUE_BUFFER_SIZE=16384"
12:20
its worth a try
12:20
:)
12:21
<alkisg>
OK, I can try it locally with firefox.
12:21
<ogra>
if the var isnt set it defaults to 4096
12:21
<Gadi>
still unclear as to what xcb accelerates on a PC
12:21
:)
12:21
<ogra>
Gadi, but it might have to be set before X on the client comes up
12:22
<Gadi>
ogra: CLIENT_ENV attaches to the ssh call to run Xsession
12:22* alkisg is going to try to put this to /etc/environment and restart X and do ssh -Y localhost firefox
12:22
<ogra>
Gadi, right
12:22
<Gadi>
libxcb is an xclient lib
12:22
<ogra>
Gadi, and it might have to apply to the local X server, not the session
12:22
<Gadi>
really?
12:22
<ogra>
ok
12:22
no idea
12:22
<epsas>
yesyeah
12:22* Gadi shrugs
12:22
<Gadi>
hehe
12:22
<ogra>
as i said above, i'm not sure
12:23
<Gadi>
all I know is it is black magic that makes things bad
12:23
<epsas>
desktoptng:/home/cpaul# cat /etc/X11/Xsession.d/10x11-xcb_queue_buffer_fix
12:23
LIBXCB_QUEUE_BUFFER_SIZE=16384
12:23
i think that is enough -- as these files are sourced
12:23
<Gadi>
epsas: export it
12:23
just to be safe
12:24
are we hacking a fest this summer, ogra?
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<Gadi>
I know, I know " all I do is aRM..."
12:24* ogra was more thinking about BTS in oct.
12:25
<Gadi>
ah
12:25
<ogra>
though i'm on a special diet now ...
12:25
and that doesnt allow lobster
12:25
<Gadi>
welcome to my world
12:25
<ogra>
*sniff*
12:25
<Gadi>
I'll bring an extra pstrami sandwich
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<ogra>
heh
12:26
<vagrantc>
Gadi: luiz periodically asks when you'll be coming back. you made quite the impression!
12:26
<Gadi>
:D
12:27
I try
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12:27
<ogra>
a hackfest would be a good opportunity for me to merge my arm ports in :)
12:27
<Mip5>
ogra - I'd like to make sure i follow the sequence properly. Here's what I'm planning to do: export LTSP_HANDLE_DAEMONS=false , sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 , mount -t proc proc /proc , then us aptitude to find the proper package ,
12:27
<vagrantc>
i'd love to host another hackfest, as i'm kind of stuck travel-wise.
12:28
<Mip5>
ogra - I'm not sure *exactly* what to do next, and haven't been able to find it in the documentation
12:28
<vagrantc>
ogra: i finally added a ltsp-chroot wrapper that simply sets LTSP_HANDLE_DAEMONS=false and then chroots...
12:28
<rcmysoft>
alkisg, i made a new install with the edubuntu 9.04. That worked out of box, smile. Thank you for your held, aditionally i added the noapic and apci=off to the pxelinux.cfg/default because the clients are 8 Years old that was it. Thans again. orga and treth tryed to held me to and treth had the idea with new installation. Because he meant that the 8.10 installer ist broken
12:28
<ogra>
Mip5, right, install it, run update-initramfs -u, unmount proc, exit chroot run ltsp-update-kernels
12:28* alkisg tried LIBXCB_QUEUE_BUFFER_SIZE=16384 locally (with ssh -Y firefox and right click) => still needs 3 seconds, nothing improved.
12:29
<ogra>
alkisg, from an Xsession.d script ?
12:29
<epsas>
okay - rebooting this terminal to see if it helps
12:29
<alkisg>
rcmysoft: good to know, congrats
12:29
<Mip5>
ogra - cool. That's it then? That should do it?
12:29
<alkisg>
ogra, no, locally, from /etc/environment
12:29
<ogra>
Mip5, probably, no guarantees, i dont have any nvidia HW
12:29
<alkisg>
Not related to LTSP - the problem can be seen with any ssh -Y session
12:30
<rcmysoft>
alkisg thanks. have a good time, i can relax now, smile. Bye.
12:30
<Mip5>
ogra - understood. Thanks. I know I need to understand this better, especially since we're planning to roll out a few of these setups to server probably 60 clients throughout the district.
12:31* ogra would rather go with intel graphics
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<Mip5>
Yeah - I would too. Those clients "just work" but these are new builds from our vender, and he's the only local guy around.
12:32
We're trying to support the local economy (and not having to ship something back that dies is attractive).
12:32* ogra would recommend _UsUrPeR_'s ATOM based clients actually :)
12:32
<ogra>
yeah, indeed
12:32* _UsUrPeR_ would also recommend that same client
12:32
<ogra>
cant your vendor just build you some ATOM based ones ?
12:32
or deal with _UsUrPeR_ :)
12:32
<_UsUrPeR_>
:D
12:33
<Mip5>
Well, that's an interesting idea. What would you suggest? What's the link _UsUrPer_
12:33
<_UsUrPeR_>
http://www.disklessworkstations.com
12:33
<ogra>
disklessworkstations.com
12:33
<_UsUrPeR_>
check out the 1520 term
12:33
<ogra>
Mip5, the big advantage is that you also support ltsp development with buying there ;)
12:34
<Mip5>
Right - well, that's actually huge to me.
12:34
<ogra>
disklessworkstations.com is sponsoring ltsp events and the ltsp wiki/website
12:34
<Mip5>
I love what this community is doing in particular, and what linux and ubuntu are doing generally.
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<Mip5>
Let me take a look at these...
12:36
<ogra>
_UsUrPeR_, btw, since when do you have the server in your offer ... thats ubercool !!
12:37
<epsas>
okay - i think that this has fixed the problem
12:37
it is hard to verify as it's such a subjective problem
12:38
<ogra>
epsas, if you are confident. please report that to either of the bugs
12:38
<epsas>
but i am not seeing a delay between right-clicking and seeing a menu
12:38
<ogra>
cool !
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<epsas>
let me try removing the export and see if that changes anything
12:39
will restarting the XServer (with ctrl-alt-backspace) trigger the scripts in Xsession.d?
12:39
<ogra>
well, it will restart the local X server on the client ... so your session dies
12:39
<epsas>
so it should then
12:40
<treyh>
ogra: what rcmysoft was saying earlier about 8.10 is that the alternate installer weirds out of if you change the default ip subnet. everytime i tried to it didn't work right, and thats what he had done, so I told him to reinstall and leave it alone
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<ogra>
treyh, in the std network setup ? did you file a bug about that ?
12:43
<treyh>
ogra: no, i figured I did something wrong
12:43
it seemed to have something to do with network manager
12:43
which is why on my ltsp setups, i remove the network manager :)
12:44
but I am thinking that alkisg put in a bug about it
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<ogra>
ah, fine then
12:45
<alkisg>
treyh: nope, I didn't file any bugs about network manager (even though I also remove it on ltsp servers). I think _UsUrPeR_ did file a bug report, though.
12:47
<ogra>
heh
12:47
<_UsUrPeR_>
alkisg/treyh: what's going on with network manager? The only thing I would/should have filed a bug about is the dhcpd.conf presets for 8.10 and 9.04 alternate install CDs
12:47* ogra waits for _UsUrPeR_ to speak up and point to Gadi
12:48
<_UsUrPeR_>
\ O_o /
12:49
<treyh>
_UsUrPeR_: if I remember correctly, two things. it wouldn't hold the static ip for eth1 but would for eth0, and if for some reason you clicked on the network manager on the bar and then left clicked eth1 (to basically refresh it) ltsp would die
12:50
also tried to change the ip subnet on the 8.10 alternate installer and couldn't ever get it to work
12:50
seemed like i was missing something
12:50
<_UsUrPeR_>
treyh: what ubuntu derivative did you install? alternate or normal?
12:50
<treyh>
alternative
12:50
<_UsUrPeR_>
FI: alternate has not given me any problems aside from ltsp-localapps dhcpd.conf scheme
12:50
strange
12:50
<treyh>
but I was also using an USB eth for eth1
12:51
<_UsUrPeR_>
:O
12:51
oh
12:51
<treyh>
yea it was so strange, i switched to k12linux
12:51
<_UsUrPeR_>
lol
12:51
<treyh>
for a bit then came back to ubuntu
12:51
k12linux, yuck
12:51
wait, let me say that again
12:51
fedora yuck :)
12:51
<ogra>
usb ethernet might be a udev issue actually ... udev writes these persistent-net.rules
12:51
<_UsUrPeR_>
K12 wasn't too bad either. They have some pretty succinct instructions for installation. I will admit, I have not tried using a USB eth adapter yet
12:52
<ogra>
so it enforces name assignmend during install
12:52
<treyh>
maybe that was it
12:52
<ogra>
if you unplug the usb adapter the device will be gone indeed, but the name assignment will persist
12:52
<_UsUrPeR_>
treyh: do you have the option of adding a second NIC to your server?
12:52
<ogra>
devicekit will solve all that
12:52
once its ready
12:53
<treyh>
_UsUrPeR_: yes it was a test environment but I switched to a real server with two nics
12:53
now I only use one nic, with a windows dhcp server
12:53
<_UsUrPeR_>
ahh~~
12:54
<treyh>
and I don't use the alternate installer
12:56
<_UsUrPeR_>
mip5: any news on the nvidia install?
12:56
<Mip5>
I got some errors
12:57
I took ogra advice to use the precompiled. I ran aptitude first, hit update and then install updates.
12:58
<_UsUrPeR_>
ahh :)
12:59* Lns still likes /etc/network/interfaces best =)
12:59
<Mip5>
I got of bunch of errors during the install of base-files 4.0.1ubuntu5 the part where it tried to install new version of config file /etc/lsb-release ... find:/initrd.img: No such file or directory
13:00
same error for /vmlinuz and bunch of stuff in /var/cache (though that's probaby not important)
13:00
<ogra>
but it finished properly, right ?
13:00
<_UsUrPeR_>
mip5: ok. pastebot all that stuff after you try to install again
13:01
I know I have installed nvidia drivers on a client image before. Though it was in Fedora...
13:01
<Mip5>
ogra - it did appear to finish properly - yes
13:01
<_UsUrPeR_>
should be about the same
13:01
<ogra>
/initrd.img and /vmlinuz are just links to the actual files in /boot normally and lsb shouldnt choke when they are missing
13:01
anyway
13:01* ogra calls it a day
13:02
<_UsUrPeR_>
later
13:02
<Mip5>
ogra I did get this error: Errors were encountered while processing: console-setup
13:03
ogra - thanks for your help - I'll keep banging away and let y'all know what I find
13:03
_UsUrPer_ I'm going to install nvidia-glx-new, which looks like the right version for my chipset
13:03
<_UsUrPeR_>
k
13:05
<Mip5>
Can you remind me how to paste the errors? I think I'm not supposed to paste it here, but am supposed to do it some other way
13:06
<_UsUrPeR_>
yeah
13:06
!pastebot
13:06
<ltspbot>
_UsUrPeR_: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
13:06
<_UsUrPeR_>
there you go :)
13:06
<Mip5>
thanks
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<ltsppbot>
"Mip5" pasted "errors when updating chroot" (427 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/334
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<magjogui>
hello
13:11
somebody speak spanish here?
13:11
ok, if no body speak spanish
13:12
i need help with a little trouble with LTSP 5.0
13:12
13:12
13:12
13:12
<treyh>
magjogui: whats happening?
13:13
<magjogui>
i have troubles with local devices
13:13
<_UsUrPeR_>
magjogui: go ahead with your question.
13:13
<Mip5>
_UsUrPer_ - I posted the whole report incase there was something relevant that might hvae missed.
13:14
<treyh>
magjogui: so you can't get cdrom and usb sticks to work?
13:14
<magjogui>
the usb sticks and cdroms work
13:14
but
13:14
whe i try to umount in the terminal, i cant
13:14
how i can solve that?
13:14
<treyh>
so they are mounted automatically but they don't auto umount themselves
13:15
what distro you running
13:15
<magjogui>
ubuntu
13:15
8.10
13:15
<treyh>
8.10 or 9.04
13:15
<magjogui>
8.10
13:15
and 8.04
13:15
<treyh>
i think the solution would be to upgrade to 9.04
13:15
<magjogui>
i have 2 labs
13:15
<treyh>
and install ltspfs in the chroot
13:15
<magjogui>
actually i install 9.04 too
13:15
mmm
13:15
how?
13:16
i need to make a chroot
13:16
and then
13:16
<treyh>
sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get update
13:16
<magjogui>
sudo apt-get install ltspfs ?
13:16
<treyh>
sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install ltspfs
13:16
<magjogui>
ok tell me
13:16
13:17
<treyh>
sudo ltsp-update-image
13:17
<magjogui>
13:17
thats its?
13:17
<treyh>
and then when you boot the client, it should automatically add and remove it
13:17
but of course
13:17
you could always try just installing ltspfs on the versions you have now
13:18
and you're using ldm correct?
13:18
or rdesktop
13:18
<magjogui>
ldm
13:18
<treyh>
yea that should do it
13:18
<magjogui>
13:18
<treyh>
try install ltspfs in the chroot first on the installs you have and then if not, upgrade to 9.04
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<treyh>
yes
13:18
<_UsUrPeR_>
mip5: did you mount /proc?
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<magjogui>
13:19
<_UsUrPeR_>
mip5: when you installed those drivers?
13:19
<Mip5>
_UsUrPer_ I *thought* I did, but I saw that same error. Let me double check.
13:20
<magjogui>
treyh are you still there?
13:20
<_UsUrPeR_>
magjogui: unmounting USB devices from a client is not needed
13:20
<treyh>
magjogui: yes?
13:20
<magjogui>
why? _UsUrPer
13:20
i am installed now
13:21
but i have the next error
13:21
Can not write log, openpty() failed (/dev/pts not mounted?)
13:21
Can not write log, openpty() failed (/dev/pts not mounted?)
13:21
Configurando ltspfs (0.5.5-0ubuntu1) ...
13:21
and thats it
13:21
13:22
<_UsUrPeR_>
magjogui: wait, when you say "unmount them intermianl" -- pertaining to USB devices, are those devices connected to the LTSP client or server?
13:22
<magjogui>
client
13:22
<treyh>
yea that version of ltspfs needs to be updated
13:22
i think to 0.5.10
13:22
but i think you have to use 9.04 to get it
13:22
<magjogui>
how i can do that?
13:23
jajaja
13:23
mmm
13:23
=(
13:24
treyh i have another question
13:24
<treyh>
magjogui: ok ask
13:24
<magjogui>
when i put a usb stick in my server all the terminals can see this usb, why? and how i can fix that?
13:25
<treyh>
i don't think there is a way to fix that
13:25
<magjogui>
ok
13:25
its a bug?
13:25
<treyh>
not sure
13:25
<Mip5>
_UsUrPer_ - arrrggg! I can't umount it, so I must have missed it....
13:25
<treyh>
let me check it real quick
13:25
<magjogui>
ok
13:26
<treyh>
on my 9.04 setup
13:26
<_UsUrPeR_>
mip5: rinse, repeat ;)
13:26
<magjogui>
ok
13:26
<Mip5>
So - if I redo the process and make sure that proc is mounted, that should fix it, right?
13:26
<_UsUrPeR_>
yeah
13:26
no need to re-create the client image or anything (I hope)
13:26
<Mip5>
okay - back in a bit....
13:27
<magjogui>
And another question, supously that i install ltspfs and finally i can umount the usb, obviously i need to put th LOCALDEV=True on my lts.conf ??
13:27
before try to umount on the clients?
13:28
<_UsUrPeR_>
magjogui: localdev=true should not be needed for normal LTSP operation
13:28
<magjogui>
ok
13:28
but
13:29
i cant umount the usb sticks on the terminals
13:29
=(
13:29
this is all my trouble
13:29
<_UsUrPeR_>
what happens if you pull the USB stick out?
13:29
because clients logged in should not be able to unmount by default.
13:29
<magjogui>
i can see the icon on the desktop
13:30
the usb stick icon
13:30
<_UsUrPeR_>
and it remains?
13:30
<magjogui>
just the icon
13:30
<_UsUrPeR_>
you're using ubuntu 9.04, correct?
13:30
<magjogui>
you cant acces
13:30
noup
13:30
8.
13:30
8.10
13:30
and 8.04.2
13:30
<_UsUrPeR_>
hmm
13:30
<magjogui>
and in the 2 its the same
13:30
=(
13:31
<treyh>
magjogui: will take me a few more to test
13:31
<Mip5>
_usUrPer_ - okay it looks like that took care of the errors. I also tried to reinstall nvidia drivers, and they didn't appear to need it.
13:31
<treyh>
i'm having to rebuild the image
13:31
<_UsUrPeR_>
mip5: so everything appears to have gone ok?
13:31
<Mip5>
I think so. The last thing I did was ltsp-update-kernels, but it didn't take any time at all, so I'm not sure if it actually worked
13:31
<_UsUrPeR_>
magjogui: what happens if you shut off a client that has a icon on the desktop?
13:31
does it re-appear?
13:32
<Mip5>
I'll check
13:32
<_UsUrPeR_>
mip5: ltsp-update-image or kernels?
13:32
<Mip5>
ltsp-update-kernels
13:32
<magjogui>
everything its ok
13:32
<_UsUrPeR_>
kernels normally takes almost no time
13:32
<Mip5>
okay good
13:32
<magjogui>
if i shut off
13:33
<_UsUrPeR_>
mip5: but you will need to run ltsp-update-image to have those nvidia changes take effect
13:33
<magjogui>
and actually i have another question do you know if i can change the gdm theme for my clients and how??
13:33
<Mip5>
Okay I'll run that now, edit lts.conf to use the modules, and then reboot
13:33
<_UsUrPeR_>
magjogui: yes you can change the login image. Unfortunately, I can't remember where that is :(
13:33
<magjogui>
and if i can change the menus and panels for all the clients ?
13:33
<_UsUrPeR_>
mip5: correct
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<_UsUrPeR_>
magjogui: about menu panels: I believe most of that is changeable too....
13:34
not all of it
13:34
<magjogui>
how? exist any tool?
13:34
13:34
?
13:36
treyh please let me know what happen with your test =)
13:37
<treyh>
magjogui: ok i plugged a usb stick in on the server, and it didn't show up on the client
13:37
let me test the client to make sure it does umount it
13:37
<_UsUrPeR_>
magjogui: I am not familiar with any tools that exist to change the desktop layout of a booted client. That may be something to ask again later when some other people are around
13:38
<magjogui>
ok thanks Usurper
13:38
Treyh : (
13:39
<treyh>
magjogui: sounds like you need to upgrade lol
13:39
<magjogui>
=(
13:39
but
13:39
i have another installation
13:39
and i have the same error
13:39
=(
13:40
<_UsUrPeR_>
magjogui: are you using the same USB key to test between both installations?
13:40
<magjogui>
yes
13:41
<_UsUrPeR_>
have you considered trying another USB key to ensure that it's not a problem with the key itself?
13:41
<magjogui>
yes
13:41
and i still have this error
13:41
=(
13:41
lol
13:42
<treyh>
did you try to reinstall ltspfs
13:42
sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get update; sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get reinstall ltspfs
13:42
i think thats the correct syntax for reinstall
13:42
lol
13:43
<ltsppbot>
"Mip5" pasted "lts.conf" (27 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/335
13:43
<magjogui>
ok
13:43
let me try
13:44
<Mip5>
_UsUrPeR_ it's not working - I pasted my lts.conf file incase there's an error there
13:44
Is there a way to see whether the modules are actually present?
13:44
<_UsUrPeR_>
mip5: paste the client Xorg could you?
13:45
err I'm sorry, paste the client /var/log/xorg.<number>.log
13:45
<Mip5>
Sure - what's the best way to get that?
13:46
<_UsUrPeR_>
in console (screen_02) on shell, scp xorg.<number>.log to your server
13:46
<Mip5>
ok - brb
13:46
<_UsUrPeR_>
then paste that from the server on pastebot
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<Mip5>
_UsUrPeR_ - it doesn't look like ssh is goign on - I can't connect to the server from that cli on screen 2
13:54
<pmatulis_>
hi gang, i'm trying out a new thin pxe client. i get no display. i see that i386.img keeps being downloaded over and over (one cycle of log messages: http://www.pastebin.ca/1421832)
13:54
<_UsUrPeR_>
mip5: you may need to create a password for root in the chroot
13:54
mip5: and install openssh-server on the chroot
13:54
so you can ssh into the client
13:54
from the server
13:55
<Mip5>
Okay - so I do that the same I've been trying to install the nvidia package into the chroot, right?
13:55
<_UsUrPeR_>
pmatulis_: what pxe client are you using? also, what ltsp version, and what OS is the server?
13:56
mip5: repeat that.
13:56
<Mip5>
ok
13:56
<_UsUrPeR_>
mip5: I don't quite understand what you had typed :)
13:57
mip5: to install openssh, mount /proc in /opt/ltsp/i386
13:57
chroot into the image
13:57
<Mip5>
right - that's what I was trying to say, thank you
13:57
<_UsUrPeR_>
and apt-get install openssh-server
13:57
also while youre in there, passwd root
13:58
and give it a password
13:58
<Mip5>
ah - ok
13:58
<_UsUrPeR_>
so you can telnet in as root later
13:58
err ssh
13:58
not telnet :)
13:58
<Mip5>
right - I knew what you meant ;-)
13:58
<pmatulis_>
_UsUrPeR_: client is by quanmax. hmm, vga is intel 945GM/GMS/GME..., might be due to a jaunty bug. so, yes, i'm using Ubuntu 9.04 serverside
13:59
<Mip5>
fwiw - is there a difference between chrooting first, and then mounting proc, or mounting proc first (to /opt/lts/i386/proc) and then chrooting?
13:59
<_UsUrPeR_>
hmm.
14:00
<Mip5>
i noticed that ogra said it one way, and the documentation describes the other
14:00
<_UsUrPeR_>
pmatulis_: you see nothing output on your monitor as the client boots?
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<pmatulis_>
_UsUrPeR_: i get the standard dhcp initialization stuff, then the splash screen, then nothing
14:02
<_UsUrPeR_>
pmatulis_: do you have a lts.conf created yet
14:02
?
14:03
<pmatulis_>
_UsUrPeR_: yes, i have another client working well
14:03
<_UsUrPeR_>
pmatulis_: the same model and brand of client?
14:03
pmatulis_: could you pastebot the lts.conf you currently have?
14:03
<pmatulis_>
_UsUrPeR_: no, this is new client h/w
14:04
_UsUrPeR_: one moment
14:04
<cliebow>
pmatulis..maybe disable the slash so you can see whats up?
14:04
<_UsUrPeR_>
cliebow: yeah
14:04
<cliebow>
s/slash/splash
14:04
<pmatulis_>
cliebow: can't parse that
14:04
<cliebow>
figures 8~)
14:04
<_UsUrPeR_>
:)
14:05
<cliebow>
i am known for being unparsable
14:06
<_UsUrPeR_>
#SYNTAX ERROR
14:06
<cliebow>
weeee!
14:08
<pmatulis_>
so "disable the splash" really means change menu.lst in chroot and rebuild image?
14:08
<cliebow>
well..pxelinux,cfg/default?
14:08
something like that
14:09
<_UsUrPeR_>
pmatulis_: change the file in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
14:09
in there, remove the "quiet" command
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<cliebow>
or splash.
14:09
just comment quiet splash
14:09
<_UsUrPeR_>
yeah :)
14:09
maybe both
14:10
<pmatulis_>
ok
14:11
rebooting now...
14:12
<Mip5>
_UsUrPeR_ - I still can't scp the durn file.... Can I go the other way, and ssh into the client? I just tried and got a "Your account has expired..." I've never seen that before
14:13
<_UsUrPeR_>
mip5: never tried to ssh into a client before is all. :)
14:14
<pmatulis_>
_UsUrPeR_, cliebow: no good, just when ldm is supposed to kick in black screen comes up and it goes into an undending cycle of downloading the image
14:14
<Mip5>
So - I have 2 interfaces on the server. I should try to scp from teh client (192.168.0.196) to the inside address of the server, right (192.168.0.254)
14:14
<pmatulis_>
no suspicious messages onscreen
14:15
<cliebow>
unending cycle of trying to start x?
14:15
<Mip5>
I get "Permission denied, (publickey, pasword).
14:16
<pmatulis_>
cliebow: yeah, screen flickers, then nothing
14:16
<_UsUrPeR_>
mip5: wait, I got it
14:16
<cliebow>
what u=is your video card on the client?
14:17
<pmatulis_>
cliebow: yeah, see above
14:17
<_UsUrPeR_>
login to the client w/normal login via ldm
14:17
in there, open a terminal window and run ltsp-localapps xterm
14:17
<pmatulis_>
14:58 < pmatulis_> _UsUrPeR_: client is by quanmax. hmm, vga is intel 945GM/GMS/GME..., might be due to a jaunty bug
14:18
<_UsUrPeR_>
pmatulis_: did you post the lts.conf yet?
14:18
<cliebow>
yeserday someone else had same issue..perhaps i have archive..ogra helped
14:18* _UsUrPeR_ looks up
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<pmatulis_>
_UsUrPeR_: what's the pastbot thing again?
14:18
<_UsUrPeR_>
!pastebot
14:18
<ltspbot>
_UsUrPeR_: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
14:18
<_UsUrPeR_>
:D
14:18
<cliebow>
pmatulis_, you tried to specify vesa driver in lts.conf ..for starters?
14:19
<pmatulis_>
cliebow: have i tried? not yet
14:19
cliebow: doing that now
14:19
<cliebow>
at least get a start..
14:20
<Mip5>
_UsUrPeR_ I get "ltsp-localapps not found
14:20
<_UsUrPeR_>
mip5: what version are you running again?
14:20
<Mip5>
8.0.4
14:20
<_UsUrPeR_>
ONOZ
14:20
:(
14:21
ok, nm then. ltsp-localapps doesnt exist yet
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<_UsUrPeR_>
mip5: ok, so you installed openssh on the client image
14:23
mip5: oh, wait. did you actually run openssh?
14:23
<Mip5>
I think it's going - I get prompted for a password when I ssh root@192.168.0.196
14:24
<pmatulis_>
cliebow: no dice re vesa
14:24
<_UsUrPeR_>
mip5: in terminal on the client (screen_02) run /etc/init.d/ssh start
14:24
<Mip5>
okay
14:24
<_UsUrPeR_>
mip5: also, you made the password for root on the client, right?
14:25
<Mip5>
yes - I made the password (passwd root, and then entered it)
14:25
I get the same error - though I didn't try to restar ssh, just start. Let me try a restart
14:25
<_UsUrPeR_>
and when you're trying to ssh into the client, you're doing ssh -l root xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx right?
14:26
<Mip5>
no - I used just what I typed, which usually works. I'll try your way though
14:26
<cliebow>
pmatulis_, same thing huh? i could swear yesterday someone was using vesa with 945 chipset...and was asking to add the 945 rdrivers to the chroot
14:27
<Mip5>
no - I used just what I typed, which usually works. I'll try your way though.
14:27
;-( same error
14:27
<_UsUrPeR_>
mip5: what's the error again?
14:28
<ltsppbot>
"pmatulis" pasted "lts.conf" (17 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/336
14:28
<Mip5>
Your account has expired; please contact your system administrator
14:28
<pmatulis_>
cliebow: thing is, another client yesterday had the same symptoms, i'm going to check its card now
14:29
<_UsUrPeR_>
mip5: is that from client to server or server to client
14:29
<Mip5>
server to client
14:30
<pmatulis_>
_UsUrPeR_: lts.conf in pastebot
14:30
<_UsUrPeR_>
mip5: just cut/paste the line for root /etc/shadow to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/shadow
14:30
your password will be the same as the server password
14:30
<Mip5>
cool - let me try that...
14:31
<_UsUrPeR_>
pmatulis_: I'm not seeing the link.
14:32
normally it posts it in here
14:32
<pmatulis_>
_UsUrPeR_: yeah, it's above
14:32
< ltsppbot> "pmatulis" pasted "lts.conf" (17 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/336
14:32
<_UsUrPeR_>
ahh, thanks
14:33
<pmatulis_>
cliebow: ah, the other client has the same chipset!
14:33
<cliebow>
pm
14:33
<Mip5>
_UsUrPeR_ I get the same error (going from server to client
14:33
<cliebow>
pmatulis_, i cant remember what ogra said about the 945 drivers..
14:33
<_UsUrPeR_>
pmatulis_: did you have any luck with VESA?
14:34
<Mip5>
Your account is expired....
14:34
<_UsUrPeR_>
mip5: did you ltsp-update-image?
14:34
<Mip5>
No
14:34
<_UsUrPeR_>
:)
14:34
<pmatulis_>
_UsUrPeR_: no, vesa didn't help
14:34
<_UsUrPeR_>
every time anything is changed in the chroot, it has to be compressed with ltsp-update-image so it can be sent to the client
14:34
<Mip5>
So, should I do that every time I make a change to the client?
14:35
<_UsUrPeR_>
correct
14:35
every time
14:35
that only applies to the chroot though. Not lts.conf
14:35
pmatulis_: have you tried to boot the client with a livecd of some sort? I am wondering what drivers it normally uses...
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<pmatulis_>
_UsUrPeR_: that's an idea, not yet
14:38
_UsUrPeR_: hmm, actually, i think both these clients have ubuntu installed locally. going to check what drivers get used
14:38
ogra: you there?
14:39
<_UsUrPeR_>
I think he's out for the day
14:44
<Mip5>
_UsUrPeR_ still getting the errors: client -> server Permission denied (publickey, password)
14:45
Server->client Permission denied.
14:45
Should I run passwd root again (or will that undo the syncing of /etc/shadow and /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/shadow
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<_UsUrPeR_>
mip5: have you tried from client > server yet?
14:48
<Mip5>
Permission denied, (publickey,password), and then lost connection
14:49
<_UsUrPeR_>
:/
14:49
ok, how about this: just tell me what errors you see in /var/log/Xorg.<number>.log :)
14:49
<Mip5>
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing...
14:50
<ltsppbot>
"pmatulis" pasted "EE in Xorg.0.log" (5 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/337
14:50
<Mip5>
I'll need to edit lts.conf so that it tries to use the nvidia driver, otherwise I haven't been seeing the errors
14:50
<_UsUrPeR_>
pmatulis_: what is your resolution?
14:50
<pmatulis_>
_UsUrPeR_: so this is what happened when i booted the client with jaunty
14:51
<_UsUrPeR_>
mip5: yeah, do that
14:51
<pmatulis_>
_UsUrPeR_: how do i find that?
14:53
<_UsUrPeR_>
lts.conf: XSERVER = "nvidia"
14:53
boot the client
14:53
and if (when) the ldm login screen fails, just switch to screen_02 and vi /var/log/Xorg.<number>.log
14:54
<pmatulis_>
_UsUrPeR_: why nvidia?
14:55
_UsUrPeR_: k, wrong guy
14:55
<_UsUrPeR_>
lol yeah
14:55
whoops :)
14:55
<Mip5>
That would be me, (the nvidia guy)....wish I were an intel guy today
14:55
<_UsUrPeR_>
mip5: those 1520s would make you an intel guy ;)
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14:57
<_UsUrPeR_>
pmatulis_: ok, lemme see here...
14:57
pmatulis_: you booted with a CD or the original HDD?
14:57
<pmatulis_>
_UsUrPeR_: HDD
14:58
<_UsUrPeR_>
pmatulis_: if so, tell me what you see for the driver listed under "device" in /etx/X11/xorg.conf
14:59
<pmatulis_>
_UsUrPeR_: it's appears braindead, only an Identifier line under "Device"
15:00
<_UsUrPeR_>
hmm. does the machine boot into ldm?
15:00
<pmatulis_>
_UsUrPeR_: no
15:00
<_UsUrPeR_>
oh :)
15:00
try a live CD
15:01
<pmatulis_>
_UsUrPeR_: don't have a device to attach right now
15:01
<_UsUrPeR_>
:/
15:01
<pmatulis_>
_UsUrPeR_: will try tomorrow, i'll check in here tomorrow
15:01
<Mip5>
_UsUrPeR_ when I try to boot using the XSERVER=nvidia, it fails (like we expect), however, I can't get screen02 working either. It just blinks.
15:01
<_UsUrPeR_>
ok :)
15:02
mip5: XSERVER = "nvidia"
15:02
nomenclature matters in lts.conf
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<Mip5>
Thanks - should it be "nvidia" in the module entry as well?
15:07
and what about glx?
15:09
<_UsUrPeR_>
hmm
15:10
what's glx? :)
15:11
<Mip5>
someone mentioned having entry: X4_MODULE_01=glx, and I'm wondering whether it should be in quotes or not.
15:11
<_UsUrPeR_>
oh. hmm... dunno about that
15:11
maybe comment that out until we have a working nvidia driver :)
15:12
then we can worry about the glx stuff
15:12
<Mip5>
okay - trying that now
15:14
Still no go - just blinking.
15:14
<alkisg>
Mip5: why does it blink? What do the logs say?
15:15
<Mip5>
Well, I can't see the logs on the client when it blinks, b/c I can't login to the terminal
15:15
<alkisg>
Mip5: you could either install an ssh server, or get a shell and run X manually, so that it only runs once.
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<alkisg>
When I had installed nvidia, I had used the following lines: XSERVER=nvidia
15:17
MODULE_01=nvidia
15:17
X4_MODULE_01=glx
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<Mip5>
Right - that's what I had tried. You have no quotes on either of those, right?
15:18
<alkisg>
No
15:19
Well, a good start would be to see what the logs say...
15:20
<Mip5>
THanks - I'm definitely struggling here. Right now, my machine isn't booting into x, and that's also killing my shell screen. SHol
15:20
should I comment out ldm on screen 07 (in the hope that I can get shell on 02 to work?
15:21
<alkisg>
Yes
15:23
<Mip5>
Okay - I'm in. I dont see errors in Xorg.1.log, but it's a short (one screenful) file
15:23
Where else should I look?
15:23
Can I examine something related to modules loading (or failing to load)?
15:24
<_UsUrPeR_>
mip5: see anything in /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
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<Mip5>
okay - I see that "nvidia" is indicated as the driver.
15:27
<_UsUrPeR_>
nothing in /var/log/Xorg.?.log?
15:27
<Mip5>
In the SubSction "Display" sections, all the Viewports are 0 0 - which seems strange
15:27
<nikosapi>
How do you guys handle the kernel config for mounting of / over the network? Do you load a bunch of network/nfs modules into an initrd image or is it a custom ltsp kernel?
15:29
<alkisg>
Mip5: try to startx, to see if it starts - or to get an error log if it doesn't.
15:29
<_UsUrPeR_>
nikosapi: to qualify that question a bit: normally / is not mounted on the client. The client just accesses the server drives through the server.
15:29
<Mip5>
Okay - using things like "more" in this terminal don't appear to work, so I wasn't seeing much. I opened the log file using vi so I can scroll.
15:30
<alkisg>
(there's less :))
15:30
`less <file>`, I mean
15:31
You can also do: scp /var/run/Xorg.0.log username@server:/tmp/
15:31
<nikosapi>
_UsUrPeR_: ah, I didn't know that. It doesn't really matter, I'm just curious about what kind of kernel/initrd that you guys pass to the client :)
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<_UsUrPeR_>
nikosapi: the kernels are *usually* a compressed version of the kernel the server is running
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<nikosapi>
so, no modifications? even to the initrd?
15:39* nikosapi is trying to wrap his head around how ltsp actually works
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<Mip5>
errors on startx: NVIDIA(0): Failed to load NVIDIA kernel module! and NVIDIA(0): *** Aborting*** and Screen(s) found, buit none have a usable configuration, and finally, Fatal server error: no screens found giving up (xinit: Connection reset by peer (errno 104): unable to connect to X server xinit: No such process (errno 3): Server error
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<_UsUrPeR_>
nikosapi: you'll need to check with an individual responsible for more information pertaining to the underlying structure.
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nikosapi: mind if I ask what the questions pertain to?
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<nikosapi>
_UsUrPeR_: I'm trying to set up my NAS so that a media center PC of mine can boot off of it
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it's mostly a learning experience
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<_UsUrPeR_>
nikosapi: so are you thinking about using LTSP for your MCPC? Or you just want to try booting?
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<nikosapi>
I'd like to do it without LTSP, otherwise it would probably be too easy :P
15:47
<_UsUrPeR_>
I beg to differ. Media transferred from server to client cause a very bit problem with video outputs
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s/bit/big
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<nikosapi>
I'd probably end up using a "fat" client configuration
15:48
<_UsUrPeR_>
yeah, that may be more your speed
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<Mip5>
_UsUrPeR_ - so the error log indicates: (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to load NVIDIA kernel module!
15:51
<_UsUrPeR_>
mip5: and there were no errors with the chroot when installing?
15:51
<Mip5>
How can we determine why that is failing?
15:52
<nikosapi>
have a look in your dmesg: dmesg
15:52
<Mip5>
UsUrPeR - do you mean when installing the nvidia-glx from aptitude? No.
15:52
<nikosapi>
err, dmesg | less
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<_UsUrPeR_>
mip5: did VESA ever work for you?
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mip5: crud, I'm about to be getting out of here
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<Mip5>
VESA does work.
15:54
Thanks for your help today UsUrPeR. I'll hit it again tomorrow
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<_UsUrPeR_>
np. Hope someone else will be around too :)
15:55
later guys
15:55* _UsUrPeR_ leaves the room, but he didn't shut the door... what a jerk
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<Mip5>
dmesg | less didn't allow scrolling, but I cat'd it to a file that I opened with vi. The 2nd to last line is cdpinger [4042]: segfault at 6f72647f eip b7f5a8a5 esp bfb91700 error 4
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<nikosapi>
I don't really know what that means, but generally if a kernel module won't load there would be a clear message in dmesg...
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<Mip5>
nikosapi - ok, thanks
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<rjune_home>
davidj
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!seen davidj
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<ltspbot>
rjune_home: davidj was last seen in #ltsp 3 weeks, 6 days, 8 hours, 28 minutes, and 47 seconds ago: <davidj> rjune
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<rjune_home>
snap
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