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Channel log from 3 October 2007   (all times are UTC)

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07:31
<cliebow__>
hmmm: on a default install client ewrrors out at "Syntax error in lts.conf, Line 18"
07:31
<ogra>
yep
07:31
fixed with yesterdays upload, i added a dummy entry
07:33
<cliebow__>
coolio!
07:33
<ogra>
you can do that yourself by adding a default section with something like FOO=bar
07:33
and rebuild the image ...
07:33
<cliebow__>
in the chroot? and update-image?
07:33
heh
07:33
<ogra>
getltscfg is simply unhappy abut the empty file
07:35
<cliebow__>
gotcha
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<ogra>
cliebow, does it fully stop booting ?
07:37
<Blinny>
That's a Bummer.
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<cliebow__>
yeah..building the image..
07:41
<ogra>
well, thats a bug then, i'll fix the calling script :)
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<sbalneav>
Morning all
08:25
<jammcq>
Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<cliebow__>
All!!
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<rjune_>
jammcq: ping
09:38
<jammcq>
rjune_: wassup?
09:40
<Guaraldo>
Morning, all!
09:41
<jammcq>
Guaraldo: hey
09:41
<Guaraldo>
Hi, jammcq... How do you do?
09:43
<jammcq>
doing great
09:44
<Guaraldo>
jammcq: Nice to hear it...
09:44
<jammcq>
how's things down there?
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<Guaraldo>
jammcq: I'm hacking all days... My kids are healthy... So, it's all right!
09:48
<jammcq>
wow, can't ask for much more than that
09:48
<Guaraldo>
jammcq: :-D
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11:31
<moquist>
sbalneav: what was the solution we ended up with for deleting the TC swap files filling up /tmp?
11:32* moquist forgot about that problem and just had a network grind to a confusingly error-filled halt
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12:40
<jean>
can someone give me a hand on my clients? they aren't able to log off...
12:44
sbalneav, are you on to give me a hand with this? my client doesn't have a power or a reset button.
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<jean>
vagrantc, can you give me a hand on my clients? they aren't able to log off... when i click the log off butt nothing happens... can i just make a launcher for now or is there a quick fix?
12:49
<vagrantc>
jean: what window manager / desktop environment you running ?
12:49
jean: and while we're at it, linux distro ?
12:49
<jean>
gnome on ubuntu gutsy gibbon
12:50* vagrantc doesn't use gnome or ubuntu
12:51
<jean>
anyone else? my thin clients don't have power or reset buttons...
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<moa_>
does anyone know if I have to do something special to get the LTSP Term 1220 to boot? It's not seeing the pxe config.
13:17
<sbalneav>
moquist: Sorry, was AFK
13:17
adding the following to /etc/hosts.allow:
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nbdswapd: ALL: keepalive
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<lns>
hey all
13:41
<moa_>
hi
13:43
<lns>
do any of you guys use ephiphany exclusively w/ltsp? i know this is a really dumb question that i probably already know the answer to, but how does epiphany handle flash/java? does it use the firefox plugins? What about LTSP on AMD64 w/i386 chroot?
13:44
<vagrantc>
epiphany is basically just another GUI fronted to the same stuff that firefox uses (gecko)
13:45
<lns>
vagrantc, so the plugin system is essentially the same? I've got to install the 32-bit version to get flash/java plugins to work with 32-bit thin clients (using a 64-bit ubutntu server & install)
13:46
btw i f*cking hate adobe
13:49
they are such a necessary evil, unfortunately
13:52
<vagrantc>
otavio: emailed you another ltsp upload
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<otavio>
vagrantc: good
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<moquist>
sbalneav: right -- thanks!
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<Gadi>
afternoon, everybody
14:34
<moquist>
ai
14:34
<Gadi>
so, here's a tickler for those in the mood:
14:34
I have one user who seems cursed ... lots of issues only happening to her
14:35
one bizarre example is that she logs out of her thin client at the end of the day, and when she comes back in the morning, the screen is blue and unresponsive
14:35
she needs to reboot to make things right
14:36
the odd thing is the fact that it is a blue screen
14:36
not black
14:36
not grey
14:36
<yanu>
i think she's in love :D
14:36
<Gadi>
blue - tho, without cryptic error messages
14:36
yanu: could very well be
14:37
<yanu>
hehe
14:37
<Q-FUNK>
re
14:39
<Gadi>
now, I am sure a search of 'ltsp5 blue screen' will give me all sorts of responses... :)
14:39
<yanu>
the only thing i can tink of is a ram-problem, but she works on it the whole dag ... so, that's not it
14:39
<vagrantc>
Gadi: swap terminals with someone else and see if it happens to the other person ?
14:40
<Gadi>
vagrantc: yeah, we've been swapping her terminal out and having her sit in other spots
14:40
its been a whole musical chairs/clients thing
14:40
<vagrantc>
Gadi: and still only happens to her ?
14:40
<Gadi>
unfortunately, there are several, seemingly unrlated probs
14:41
with the only common thread is her
14:41
<vagrantc>
definitely cursed.
14:41
<Gadi>
indeed
14:41
<moa_>
some hung process on exit?
14:41
<vagrantc>
some people just give off a different electromagnetic field.
14:41
<Gadi>
moa_: could very well be, because she has lots of bonobo-server related probs, as well
14:42
we have been making new user accounts for her
14:42
changing her client...
14:42
<vagrantc>
continues to happen with a different user account?!
14:42
<Gadi>
its like the game Punch-a-Mole
14:42
you hit one issue and another one pops up
14:42
lol
14:43
<moa_>
I'm going to say cursed.
14:43
<Gadi>
yeah
14:44
we'll try and nail down a good combo
14:44
just wondering if anyone else had seen issues
14:44
<moa_>
I've got a pxe problem for ya :)
14:44
That is if you've got time
14:44
<lns>
Gadi, do you use different usernames?
14:45
also, do you import any data at all into her new accts when you create them?
14:45
<Gadi>
lns: just docs not settings/hidden folders
14:45
but, there has been a lot of chatter on bonobo-server issues in feisty
14:46
and since that controls basically gnome...
14:46
:)
14:46
<vagrantc>
maybe try another window manager ?
14:46
just to rule out gnome
14:47
<Gadi>
yeah
14:47
moa_: whats ur pxe issue?
14:47
<lns>
Gadi, interesting..i wonder if any docs are causing issues. Is she the only one w/Bonobo-server issues?
14:47
<moa_>
I just got new thin clients and they're not finding the config.
14:47
Could not find kernel image: linux
14:48
<Gadi>
lns: everyone has lingering bonobo processes upon exit, but she is the only one who has nautilus issues that trace back to bonobo
14:48
<moa_>
I've got 30 other clients that boot up just fine, although, they are different models.
14:48
<Gadi>
I have been using moquist's xterminator to kill the lingering processes on login
14:48
<lns>
Gadi, what's the thin client in question? what pxe version? i've had issues with buggy PXE versions
14:49* Gadi forwards lns's qu to moa_
14:49
<lns>
Gadi, hmm. Can't help ya there. :(err
14:49
heh
14:49
thx
14:49
<moa_>
lstp term 1220 from disklessworkstations.com
14:49
pxe 2 i do believe.
14:49
<Gadi>
yeah, bonobo is a beast when he's upset
14:50
<vagrantc>
they're like 8 times stronger than humans
14:50
<Gadi>
moa_: did you modify your pxelinux.cfg at all?
14:50
<moa_>
Nope
14:50
That's why I'm at a loss.
14:51
<Gadi>
moa_: is there any other LTSP ortftp server on the same subnet?
14:51
<moa_>
Nope, we've got it off it its own world
14:52
<lns>
moa_, you say other clients boot fine... what is your DHCP server?
14:53
I.E. OS, version
14:53
<moa_>
2.6.19-gentoo-r5 #1 SMP Fri Mar 23 17:14:48 MDT 2007 i686 Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 3.06GHz GNU/Linux
14:54
Same box the ltsp is running on as well.
14:54
<lns>
I've tested some thin clients (not the same model thou) where they take arbitrary dhcp options to get going w/pxe & ltsp (undocumented ones, like server-identifier and tftp-server-name
14:54
<moa_>
I tried pointing dhcp directly to the pxelinux.0 but that didn't work either.
14:54
<Gadi>
which tftp server are you using?
14:54
<lns>
i have no idea why but i remember after setting 'server-identifier' it worked.
14:54
<Gadi>
seeing as its a gentoo box...
14:54
<moa_>
tftpd
14:55
<Gadi>
try: tftpd-hpa
14:55
<moa_>
I was afraid you were going to say that.
14:55
<vagrantc>
or atftpd
14:55
<Gadi>
heh
14:55
<vagrantc>
PXE requires some feature not present in plain ol tftpd
14:55
<moa_>
Yeah, read that on the wiki
14:56
<Gadi>
moa_: its gentoo - it should build... someday...
14:56
:)
14:56
<moa_>
lol
14:56
<lns>
=p
14:56
<Gadi>
actually, tftpd is small
14:56
should be relatively quick
14:56
<moquist>
sbalneav: got /etc/hosts.allow in puppet now. :)
14:57
<moa_>
I should be able to build it without breaking tftpd, right?
14:57
Seeing how it's business hours.
14:57
<Gadi>
moa_: well, even if you break it, it won't affect thin clients already booted
14:57
:)
14:58
<moa_>
Well, yes, but I have....how do you say it..."smart" co-workers. They like to reboot their machines at random times.
14:58
makes me turn into BOFH....
14:58
:)
14:59
Ok, tftp-hpa. I'll give that one a try.
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<moa_>
Gadi: no such luck with tftp-hpa, still the same issue.
15:24
<Gadi>
moa_: can you pastebot your dhcpd.conf?
15:24
!pastebot
15:24
<ltspbot>
Gadi: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
15:24
<moa_>
Yup, give me just a few minutes.
15:27
<ltsppbot>
"moa_" pasted "dhcpd.conf" (48 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/327
15:28
<moa_>
That's pretty cool.
15:29
<Gadi>
moa_: you have:
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filename "pxe/pxelinux.0";
15:29
and later:
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filename "/pxe/pxelinux.0";
15:29
note the preceding slash
15:30
<moa_>
yeah
15:30
Let me fix that, and see if it helps.
15:30
<Gadi>
what is the real path to pxelinux.cfg
15:30
?
15:31
I mean pxelinux.0?
15:31
and what is the tftp server's chroot?
15:31
<moa_>
/tftpboot/pxe/pxelinux.0
15:31
is the full path, tftpd is configured to chroot /tftpboot/
15:31
<Gadi>
and where are the LTSP kernels?
15:32
<moa_>
/tftpboot/pxe/
15:34
<Gadi>
and it is called "linux"?
15:34
<moa_>
the ltsp kernel?
15:34
<Gadi>
yes
15:34
<moa_>
no, bzImage
15:35
That's another weird thing. I have nothing pointing to a kernel named "linux"
15:35
But the thin client complains about it.
15:35
<Gadi>
according to your error message, something is looking for a kernel named 'linux'
15:35
right
15:35
<moa_>
Everything is pointed the the correct bzImage.
15:36
Cursed, cursed I tell you.
15:37
<Gadi>
you also seem to be lacking the 'next-server' directive
15:37
which is required in some dhcp server versions
15:38
<moa_>
My dhcp is working just fine though.
15:38
<Gadi>
but, I would try to locate pxelinux.cfg and make sure there isn't some other one somewhere
15:38
the thin client is definitely looking for something called 'linux'
15:38
which can only be in the pxelinux.cfg
15:39
<moa_>
i think i found it
15:39
prompt 0
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label linux
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kernel bzImage-2.6.17.8-ltsp-1
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append rw root=/dev/ram0 initrd=initramfs.gz
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that's my default pxelinux.cfg
15:41
brb, have to run down the hall to reboot the thin client.
15:55
Yup, fixing the dhcpd.conf didn't work.
15:56
These new thin clients are about to be thrown out the window.
15:56
<jammcq>
moa_: did you add next-server ?
15:57
<moa_>
No, not yet, that's next.
15:57
<jammcq>
what version of dhcpd ?
15:57
<moa_>
3.0.3
15:58
<jammcq>
yeah, you definately need it, unless you are using Ubuntu
15:58
<moa_>
how does the syntax go?
15:58
<jammcq>
next-server 192.168.0.254;
15:58
obviously, substitute the correct IP address
15:59
<moa_>
and that's under my group{}?
15:59
<jammcq>
can be
15:59
not required tho
15:59
just somewhere in the file.
16:00
<moa_>
Ok, let me give that a try.
16:01
Oh my, how can I thank you enough...
16:01
<jammcq>
that worked?
16:01
<moa_>
It sure did
16:01
<jammcq>
cool
16:01* moa_ jumps for joy
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<jammcq>
glad to hear it's working.
16:02
<moa_>
But I still don't understand why it worked on the older thin clients.
16:02
<jammcq>
umm, shouldn't have
16:03
although I think some versions of PXE work around the 'next-server' issue
16:03
versions of dhcpd prior to 3.0.3 didn't have this problem
16:03
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/DhcpdSiaddr
16:03
<moa_>
Very well could be, we bought those thin clients about a year ago.
16:03
<Guaraldo>
moa_: The old thinclients are PXE too???
16:03
<moa_>
Yup
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<moa_>
lol, must have confused him as well
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17:55* vagrantc wonders who on earth this CastAway person is who keeps editing http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Debian#LTSP_5 with very caustic posts but apparently would rather complain incessantly than file a bug report.
18:02
<moa_>
Thanks for all the help today guys. Time to go home.
18:02* moa_ waves
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<otavio>
vagrantc: I can't upload the package you send me
18:07
vagrantc: it has not been bootstraped. You forgot to run autogen on client/ldm2
18:08
vagrantc: please, send me another package with this fixed and then I can do the upload
18:09
<vagrantc>
otavio: ???
18:09
hmmm...
18:10* vagrantc looks at it
18:14
<vagrantc>
otavio: i did exactly what i did last time ... used bzr-release from debian/rules
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otavio: oh, i bet some of the autotools stuff isn't installed there or something
18:16
yup.
18:17
<otavio>
vagrantc: hehe, ok
18:17
vagrantc: :-)
18:17
vagrantc: fix it and send me a new tarball
18:18
vagrantc: will you send me simple-cdd also, I think?
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<vagrantc>
otavio: not sure ... gustavo tried to build it but didn't have his key handy
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18:34* vagrantc contemplates fixing bzr-release to error out
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<vagrantc>
otavio: re-sent.
18:37
<otavio>
vagrantc: good
19:04
vagrantc: done
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<vagrantc>
otavio: yay :)
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<otavio>
vagrantc: :-D
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<vagrantc>
yay! figured out that it was simply a difference in mouse configuration that made the x configuration stuff break on etch.
21:59
klausade: new backports uploaded to the backport site mentioned at: http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto
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<sbalneav>
Evening all
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<ari_stress>
morning
22:54
<vagrantc>
night all ...
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