IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 1 February 2016   (all times are UTC)

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06:59
<alkisg>
!syslog
06:59
<ltsp>
I do not know about 'syslog', but I do know about these similar topics: 'rsyslog'
06:59
<alkisg>
!rsyslog
06:59
<ltsp>
rsyslog: To enable remote client logging in Ubuntu (it possibly also works on Debian), see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/697387/comments/9
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11:23
<Vervelak>
ltsp socat
11:24
<alkisg>
!socat
11:24
<ltsp>
socat: One way to share a console with a remote person is: [local pc] forward port 5500; apt-get install socat; socat tcp-listen:5500,keepalive=1 stdio,raw,echo=0 [remote pc] apt-get install socat screen; socat SYSTEM:"sleep 1; exec screen -xRR ra",pty,stderr tcp:REMOTE-IP:5500 & screen -l -S ra
11:24
<alkisg>
:)
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12:30
<Vervelak>
@alkisg Thanks :)
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15:51
<rkwesk>
fresh install of Debian Stretch amd64 on the server with lxde and then added ltsp-server-standalone and dnsmasq
15:51
then edited /etc/dnsmasq.d/ltsp-server-dnsmasq.conf and replaced all instances of amd64 with i386.
15:52
updated and then edited /etc/ltsp/ltsp-server.conf to have ARCH=”i386” and DIST=”wheezy”
15:53
then edited /etc/ltsp/ltsp-build-client.conf to have ARCH=”i386” and DIST=”wheezy”
15:53
ltsp-build-client (without parameters)
15:56
So at last my question resulted in a chroot with a minimal wheezy i386 without xorg and without lxde. Should I not have created /etc/ltsp/ltsp-build-client.conf?
15:58
I know I can add whatever to a chroot afterwards. Just curious why no xorg
16:00
<Hyperbyte>
rkwesk, I think you can just do ltsp-build-client --arch=i386
16:00
Not entirely sure about that.
16:00
<rkwesk>
so no conf file?
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16:02
<Hyperbyte>
rkwesk, I have no idea. I've never used Debian, but I've also never edited any config prior to building an ltsp chroot
16:02
<rkwesk>
ltsp-build-client did create i386 Wheezy as desired. It just did not include xorg nor lxde
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17:53
<alkisg>
rkwesk: don't put DISK in ltsp-build-client.conf, pass it in the command line like --dist
17:54
Sorry, DIST, not DISK
17:54
The code there gets confused with DIST in the .conf file
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18:34
<rkwesk>
this alone accounts for ltsp-build-client not including xorg when in fact Wheezy was indeed installed?
18:43
As the only two parameters I put into ltsp-build-client.conf were DIST and ARCH it seems alkisg is telling me not to create this conf file at all. vagrantc, what say you?
18:46
I am hoping to update the wiki to include Stretch once I have understood this process better.
18:47
<vagrantc>
i wouldn't create ltsp-build-client.conf unless you have to
18:47* vagrantc would have thought wheezy would include xorg by default
18:48
<vagrantc>
it's been a long time since ltsp-build-client did anything much other than installing ltsp-client and a kernel
18:48
rkwesk: please file a bug
18:48
<rkwesk>
so thought I yet to my surprise...
18:50
I always shy away from bug filing lest my own mistake is really at fault. However, here you two are confirming the bug.
18:50
<alkisg>
rkwesk: if you can reproduce it with --dist XXX instead of putting to a .conf file, then file a bug about that xorg thing
18:50
otherwise I don't think it's worth it to file a bug about DIST not working correctly inside a .conf file, i don't think that it's a documented feature that's supposed to work...
18:50
<rkwesk>
I will try a few variations and see
18:51
<alkisg>
vagrantc: heya, the days for 16.04 feature freeze come closer, I think we/you should tag a new release soonish... :)
18:52
I couldn't reproduce the systemd shutdown issue in 16.04
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<rkwesk>
the purpose of ltsp-build-client.conf with accompanying documented features is what, exactly?
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18:53
<alkisg>
To have a smaller command line in ltsp-build-client :)
18:54
<vagrantc>
alkisg: yeah, let's do it!
18:54
<rkwesk>
it seems a small role indeed
18:54
<alkisg>
E.g. you can have a list of packages to install there, or some custom ppas + keys...
18:54
<vagrantc>
rkwesk: well, i think it's worth filing a bug, that shouldn't happen.
18:54
<alkisg>
ltsp-build-client parameters can be specified in a .conf file, or in the environment, or in the command line
18:55
<vagrantc>
alkisg: i'll update my setup and see if i still get the hang issue
18:56
<alkisg>
vagrantc: cool, ping me if you still have it, I'll try to update my stretch vm and try it there then
18:56
<rkwesk>
aha, so a workaround meanwhile might be to include xorg and desktop choice as a list of packages?
18:56
<alkisg>
No, I wouldn't say that
18:57
If you can reproduce it without a .conf file, tell me to debug it
18:57
No need to search for weird workarounds
18:57
<rkwesk>
alkisg, agreed
18:57
<alkisg>
Including a desktop is always an option for fat clients though
18:57
<vagrantc>
rkwesk: i would 1000 times prefer a bug report to a workaround
18:58* vagrantc wishes people wouldn't be so afraid of filing bugs
18:58
<vagrantc>
i'd rather 3 bogus bugs than 1 unreported bug
18:58
<rkwesk>
oh yes, vagrantc, I agree. I was just exploring the thinking to do here
18:58* alkisg waves, later!
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19:01
<rkwesk>
I am cautious and unverified bug reporting seems counter productive. However, in this case I will press on.
19:02
<vagrantc>
it is harder to verify a bug if it is not reported
19:03
<rkwesk>
I recall that when I used 64bit Jessie to create Wheezy i386 ther was no such behavior. I'll double check these variations before filing. :))
19:05
Stretch is still a moving target so I hope to help you get it right. :))
19:06
<vagrantc>
try, try again
19:07
it's not uncommon for me to make uploads during the freeze to fix a bug or two ... which isn't until november.
19:07
but i do try to keep it working most of the release cycle
19:08
<rkwesk>
Alkis has said that the Ubuntu standard ltsp is buggy and he has a newer edition in his ppa. Does this correspond to what you have in Stretch?
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<rkwesk>
ltsp 5.5.5?
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<vagrantc>
it's much older than what's in stretch, though strtch has some bugs... i will be uploading a newer version soon
19:11
and then alkisg_away will likely sync it from debian
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<rkwesk>
ok I will get cracking then to verify this bug. Yhank you for the tireless work. :))
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