IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 8 June 2012   (all times are UTC)

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02:01
<joulez>
hi, changed the ip of a static client, now we are unable to log in, rebooting the server, fixes the problem and I can't recall what i did in the past to avoid that, any suggestions?
02:01
log in from that particular client that is.
02:34
ip neigh del <clientid> lladdr <clientmac> dev <device>
02:34
:)
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02:49
<joulez>
well too us so far.
02:49
took us
02:49
we can now log in, but then the desktop freezes.
02:50
hmm client crashes but still pingable.
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03:13
<joulez>
nfs: server "not responding, still trying"
03:15
wheres this page gone? : http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/NFS#NFS_Server_not_responding
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03:46
<joulez>
ok, changing a static clients ip I needed to ip neigh del <clientid> lladdr <clientmac> dev <device> etc, restart nfs-common (probably not needed), rebooted client, client logged in, after a few minutes we get "Jun 8 05:23:12 x192-168-2-21 kernel: [13659.932018] nfs: server 192.168.2.1 not responding, still tryin"
03:47
the fact that rebooting the server will fix this is a whole load of fail.
03:52
oh
03:52
the old client is still on...
03:52
i am fail.
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04:37
<alkisg>
!screen-socat
04:37
<ltsp`>
alkisg: Error: "screen-socat" is not a valid command.
04:37
<alkisg>
!socat
04:37
<ltsp`>
alkisg: socat: One way to share a console with a remote person is: [local pc] forward port 5500, run: socat tcp-listen:5500,keepalive=1 stdio,raw,echo=0 [remote pc] socat tcp:server:5500 SYSTEM:"{ sleep 1; xterm -e screen -xRR ra$$; } & exec screen -S ra$$",pty,stderr
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04:53
<VectorX>
got a ltsp connected to the net router + switch, got another machine connected to the router and i want to connect to the switch to access the file system of the ltsp, but the net stops working on that machine when i do, how can i solve this ?
04:58
<alkisg>
Why do you need to connect the client to the switch to access the LTSP file system? It should see it from the router too (assuming it's got an embedded 4 port switch)
04:59
<VectorX>
hmm
05:00
ok lets change the scenario
05:00
hehe
05:01
<alkisg>
If you want to be able to dual boot the client sometimes as an ltsp client and sometimes with e.g. windows, either do NAT on your ltsp server, or use it as a proxydhcp
05:01
!proxydhcp
05:01
<ltsp`>
alkisg: I do not know about 'proxydhcp', but I do know about these similar topics: 'proxy-dhcp'
05:01
<alkisg>
!proxy-dhcp
05:01
<ltsp`>
alkisg: proxy-dhcp: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ProxyDHCP
05:01
<VectorX>
so on the non ltsp machine i got a vm with say win7 and dedicated nic, so i connect that nic to the switch and boom my net stops working on the non ltsp machine
05:02
<alkisg>
Right, see above ^
05:02
<VectorX>
ok
05:04
<alkisg>
(in other words, throw away your second NIC of your ltsp server, and connect your switch directly to your router)
05:05
<VectorX>
so connect the switch to the router then connect all the machines to the switch ?
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05:08
<alkisg>
Or the router, it doesn't matter where you connect them then
05:11
!alkisg-todo
05:11
<ltsp`>
alkisg: alkisg-todo: (#1) ltsp-update-image.symlinks, or (#2) review RM_*_SERVICES lists, or (#3) put LDM_PRINTER_LIST example in lts.conf
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05:55
<alkisg>
vagrantc: I want to implement 2 kind of LDM_LOGIN_ACTIONS in sch-scripts, one that runs from rc.d/S00-* (ssh server command) before xauthority is created, e.g. to cleanup the whole user dir, and another one that runs later, when e.g. dconf is loaded
05:55
...should I implement them upstream instead, or are there any security concerns?
05:56
Those would run from the user account, of course
05:56
Also, any hints for appropriate names... :)
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<alkisg>
...maybe LDM_PRESESSION_ACTION and LDM_INSESSION_ACTION?
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06:05
<vagrantc>
alkisg: depends on how intrusive they are ... but it seems like something that can conditionally reset the user's homedir would be useful
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06:09
<alkisg>
vagrantc: if they're set, ssh -S $LDM_SOCKET $LDM_SERVER command, it's not anything intrusive
06:09
<vagrantc>
alkisg: just an arbitrary command?
06:09
<alkisg>
Yes, or we can hardcode it to e.g. /etc/ltsp/ldm_presession
06:10
So that server-side preperation is necessary as well, to increase security somewhat
06:11
<vagrantc>
alkisg: i'd keep it simple, just run the specified command on the server, yes?
06:11
<alkisg>
Sure, the only concern is injecting data into lts.conf
06:11
But we're going to use certificates in the future, right? :P
06:11
<vagrantc>
right
06:11
signed lts.conf files.
06:12
<alkisg>
Cool, any ideas for the directive names?
06:12
We might want 3, login, in session, logout
06:12
the login part doesn't have access to dconf
06:12
<vagrantc>
alkisg: so one happens after the ssh tunnel is set up, before the Xsession is called... and the other after Xsession is called?
06:13
<alkisg>
Ideally it needs to be inside xsession, with DBUS and all env vars set
06:13
I'm not sure if LDM can do that, or how, I'll have to look into it
06:13
The logout action (if I can do that too) would be after the session but before ssh is closed
06:14
<vagrantc>
well, you can of course add it to the LDM_SESSION
06:14
<alkisg>
I think it's still early there
06:14
I don't know at what point gnome sets up the environment and runs dconf etc
06:15
And I think that the user home dirs are set by an /etc/xdg/autostart script
06:15
(localized home dirs etc)
06:15
So it would have to run even after that, if the sysadmin wants e.g. to create some symlinks in the user's desktop
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06:16* alkisg hates having 100 ways to implement autostart scripts, one doesn't know where to put his own then in order to run properly
06:19
<alkisg>
Also I wonder if we should slowly start removing LDM_* from the things we'll be keeping even with lightdm
06:19
...we may then claim the initials mean L(ight)DM :P
06:19
<vagrantc>
alkisg: LDM_PRESESSION_ACTION (or _COMMAND?) seems reasonable. _INSESSION_ is a little odd, sounds like you have more implementation details left for that.
06:20
<alkisg>
It would much with POSTSESION though...
06:20
*match
06:20
<vagrantc>
PRE IN and POST ?
06:20
<alkisg>
Yeah
06:20
I wonder if we should omit LDM_ too though
06:20
PRE_SESSION_COMMAND, IN, POST
06:21
Or CMD for short
06:21* vagrantc always worries about namespace clobbering
06:21
<vagrantc>
probably worry too much, but i don't see it hurting much
06:21
<alkisg>
Those should only affect our own scripts, which are run from init
06:22
So I don't worry too much about the namespace
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06:25
<alkisg>
TIme to go, will read irclogs, bb
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09:48
<rhorstkoetter>
alkisg: hi. is there a transcript somewhere of yesterdays ltsp-docs irc meeting?
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09:49
<alkisg>
Hi rhorstkoetter, I told the other people there that you're interested in helping with the wiki and they all agreed that you should join us on the next meeting
09:49
They'll send you a mail with the details
09:50
<rhorstkoetter>
alkisg: I see, great
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12:51
<mealstrom>
hi
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12:53
<mealstrom>
http://pastebin.com/ZAjNy0ZB my xrandr output. How to get right resolution of 1280x1024 for DVI output ? im using nouveau/thin client ubuntu 12.04/
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12:57
<alkisg>
Are you completely sure it does support it?
12:58
<mealstrom>
yes, i can make it with xrandr
12:58
like cvt 1280 1024 .. xrandr --addmode ...
12:59
<markit>
hi alkisg :) school is finishing in greece too?
13:00
<alkisg>
mealstrom: put those in XRANDR_COMMAND_0="xrandr --newmode..." and XRANDR_COMMAND_1="xrandr --addmode..."
13:00
hi markit, yup
13:02
We're trying to finish sch-scripts and have them tested before the teachers leave for vacations at the end of the month
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<alkisg>
markit: here's how we ended up implementing shared folders (use google translate): http://ts.sch.gr/wiki/Linux/LTSP/Κοινόχρηστοι
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<mealstrom>
xrandr_command is missing at man lts.conf )
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<alkisg>
mealstrom: yeah it didn't make it for 12.04, it's there in the upstream code though
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<mealstrom>
alkisg: XRANDR_COMMAND is already at ubuntu-thin-client xiinitrc.d/I10-xrandr . but there is no at man. anyway that works :)
14:15
alkisg: thank you
14:15
<alkisg>
mealstrom: yes as I said we're aware of that, and it's been included in the man page, but not in the 12.04 man page
14:15
you're welcome
14:16
!learn alkisg-todo package a newer version of ltsp-docs in the Greek schools PPA
14:16
<ltsp_>
alkisg: (learn [<channel>] <key> as <value>) -- Associates <key> with <value>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. The word 'as' is necessary to separate the key from the value. It can be changed to another word via the learnSeparator registry value.
14:16
<alkisg>
!learn alkisg-todo as package a newer version of ltsp-docs in the Greek schools PPA
14:16
<ltsp_>
alkisg: The operation succeeded.
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<markit>
alkisg: wow, great news! I'll read it carefully later, but seems what I was looking for
14:49
alkisg: btw, thanks also for the bug fix of "subdirs" [Bug 975128] Re: LOCAL_APPS_EXTRAMOUNTS sshfs should use nonempty option
14:54
<alkisg>
markit: you're welcome - better read it tomorrow, I just got a better idea, one that gives a different read-only directory per teacher too
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15:03
<sbalneav>
You cannot reach me now...
15:03
No matter how you try...
15:03* alkisg would like to see them too :(
15:03
<sbalneav>
Goodbye, cruel world, it's over...
15:04
walk on by...
15:04
<ogra_>
walk on by
15:04
<alkisg>
How was it? They still have it?
15:04
<sbalneav>
Waters?!
15:04
<alkisg>
Yeah
15:04
<sbalneav>
Helluva show
15:04* alkisg has only seen deep purple and scorpions so far
15:04
<ogra_>
heh, scorpions
15:04
<sbalneav>
Ooooh, scorpions
15:04* ogra_ had breakfast with them as a teen ...
15:04
<sbalneav>
Umm, they did a song I relly like...
15:05
gahhh
15:05
hold on, lemme google it.
15:05
<ogra_>
they come from my home town, i know the cafe where they (still) go for breakfast if they are there
15:05
<alkisg>
We stayed at the same hotel with Deep purple, had breakfast beside them
15:05
<sbalneav>
WINDS OF CHANGE
15:05
got it.
15:05
Was there smoke?
15:05
On the water?
15:06
<alkisg>
Of course :D
15:06
<sbalneav>
Anything in the sky?
15:06
<ogra_>
and my math teached in school was actually studio keyboarder before they got famous
15:06
+their
15:06
<sbalneav>
well
15:07
s/y s/y their s/g
15:07
<ogra_>
(they probably got famous because they went without him, who knows :) )
15:07
<highvoltage>
you all went down to Montreux?
15:07
(sorry I know it's lame but I couldn't help it :p)
15:08* alkisg grabs his guitar and accompanies highvoltage singing...
15:08
<highvoltage>
:D
15:08
<sbalneav>
http://vimeo.com/1223566
15:09* ogra_ lights a campfire
15:09
<alkisg>
Nice boob^H song
15:10
<sbalneav>
That music video is just hilarious
15:10
<stgraber>
sbalneav: hey Scotty! has been a while!
15:10
<sbalneav>
Yep! I'm trying to stage a comeback.
15:11
<ogra_>
where is jim btw ?
15:11
<sbalneav>
Move's over, and I've done some more work on the pam+nss stuff
15:11
<ogra_>
where did you move to ?
15:11
<sbalneav>
ogra_: Jim's up to HIS neck, atm. His business is really at a critical phase right now. Their software's almost written.
15:12
<ogra_>
ah, cool
15:12
good to hear
15:12
<sbalneav>
Our ofices at work all moved.
15:12
We went from 2 physical localtions to 8
15:12
<ogra_>
ah, not your home then
15:12
wow
15:12
everything grows !
15:12
<sbalneav>
Oh , no.
15:12
oh, yeah.
15:12
<stgraber>
highvoltage: I actually know quite a few people who went to the Montreux show, it's just an hour driving distance from my parent's place (and a few minutes from the time share place we have in the alps)
15:12
<sbalneav>
That's why I've been scarse.
15:12
scarce.
15:12
not here, even.
15:13
<alkisg>
So you guys are sure you don't want to do the next LTSP BTS nearby some Greek beach? :D
15:13
<highvoltage>
stgraber: heh, cool
15:13
<ogra_>
alkisg, i would love to
15:13
<sbalneav>
Personally, I'd love to. My wallet, on the other hand :(
15:13
<alkisg>
I'm hearing that some Ubuntu members won't be able to make it to Main...
15:13
<ogra_>
since UDS is definitely in europe
15:13
<sbalneav>
yeah.
15:13
There might have to be more remote participation this time.
15:14
We'll have to submit RFC12386
15:14
"Lobster over IPV6"
15:14
<stgraber>
ogra_: oh, you heard of a "definitely in Europe", good, I've been trying to get clues on where it'd be so we can try and plan the hackfest
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<sbalneav>
brb, duty calls....
15:14* ogra_ probably could get a free flight, just got my miles account overview and i really dont want a lufthansa case set
15:15
<highvoltage>
rofl
15:15
<stgraber>
ogra_: I certainly don't have any problem with getting an hackfest in Europe, we just need a good location, that's not too expensive or hard to get to from UDS (or to UDS)
15:15
<ogra_>
well, greece should be cheap nowadays :P
15:16
<alkisg>
Hehe, yup :)
15:16
Has the city where UDS will be been announced?
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15:17
<ogra_>
not yet
15:17
always takes very long until they have all the negotiations done
15:17
(we usually replace the whole hotel network etc, that needs confirmation in the contracts ...)
15:19
GEEZ !
15:20
the new seawall homepage is a memory hog par excellence
15:21
<stgraber>
I'm surprised they haven't listed LTSP hackfest under activities yet ;)
15:21* ogra_ doesnt see speedbump on the page anywhere
15:22
<ogra_>
(thats why i opened it first place)
15:23
:(
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<vagrantc>
!vagrant-todo
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<ltsp_>
vagrantc: vagrant-todo: (#1) pxelinux configuration, or (#2) pxemenus, or (#3) ltsp-tool.conf.d, or (#4) kiosk plugin autocreate users, or (#5) ltsp-server: Recommend: ltsp-docs, or (#6) follow-up on nbd-server.allow bug report on Debian
16:16
<vagrantc>
alkisg: hmmmm... ltsp-server-standalone should definitely recommend ltsp-docs ... i'm having second thoughts about ltsp-server doing so
16:17
The `Recommends' field should list packages that would be found
16:17
together with this one in all but unusual installations.
16:17
<alkisg>
vagrantc: that sounds fine (only ltsp-server-standalone)
16:17
!alkisg-todo
16:17
<ltsp_>
alkisg: alkisg-todo: (#1) ltsp-update-image.symlinks, or (#2) review RM_*_SERVICES lists, or (#3) put LDM_PRINTER_LIST example in lts.conf, or (#4) package a newer version of ltsp-docs in the Greek schools PPA
16:17
<vagrantc>
ok.
16:18
<alkisg>
Ah yeah the recipe for ltsp-docs... ok later, lts.conf needs a few more entries (RM_*SERVICES etc)
16:18
<vagrantc>
recipe? launchpad recipe?
16:18
<alkisg>
Yup
16:18
Building with one click, my favorite!
16:19
<vagrantc>
i've not yet bothered with VCS for ltsp-docs ... but i should start. there hasn't been much to maintain
16:19
<alkisg>
Ah. Hm. Guess I'll wait then :D
16:20
<vagrantc>
alkisg: just need to create the repo somewhere
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<vagrantc>
and then presumably mirror to launchpad?
16:20
<alkisg>
Please do so, I'd hate to have to run debuild -S -sa, launchpad spoiled me too much for that!
16:21
And until sbalneav starts pushing pam-ssh stuff, I think the trunk will be somewhat stable, so I'll be frequently uploading packages with any new content we have
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<vagrantc>
alkisg: i'm thinking the packaging branch will also include the upstream code, only merging in new upstream versions.
16:22
<alkisg>
Why?
16:22
<vagrantc>
or you think we should maintain it like epoptes?
16:22
<alkisg>
I don't mind, launchpad recipes support getting the debian/ dir from one branch, and the code from another
16:22
<baevs>
Hi All,
16:22
<alkisg>
vagrantc: I think your ltsp and ldm repos are fine, why don't you do it the same way?
16:23
<vagrantc>
alkisg: i like having the packaging dir match the relevent upstream code. soo my development would be hack on upstream, merge to packaging branch, hack on packaging (/debian/), upload
16:23
<alkisg>
Or you could create the debian/ dir directly in http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-docwriters/ltsp/ltsp-docs-trunk/files - that sounds fine too
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16:24
<baevs>
did anybody run ltsp as a VM on ESXi?
16:24
<vagrantc>
alkisg: i don't really like the way the packaging branches are for ldm/ltsp ... we only did that because of how much debian and ubuntu diverged. but it's a mess.
16:25
alkisg: when i commit changes to the packaging, i want to know which upstream branches it's relevent for.
16:26
<alkisg>
vagrantc: what I personally like is for the packaging to be upstream, and then snapshotted on every distro release, e.g. you'd also have an unstable branch or a testing branch - both the packaging and the code at the time you did the release
16:27
But I don't mind however you do it
16:27
I don't want the packaging to be upstream when the packager is not an upstream developer though, sure
16:28
<vagrantc>
i haven't tried the model where the packaging branch is a merge of upstream + debian dir ... never merging from packaging to upstream.
16:28
but i think it would work reasonably well.
16:29
also, debian now supports diverging from upstream's debian dir if you use dpkg source format 3.0 (quilt)
16:29
<alkisg>
baevs: if you have a specific problem with ESXi, I think you'd have more chances to get an answer if you directly asked that, instead of "does anyone use..."
16:29
<vagrantc>
although sounds like that may have caused problems for some of the ubuntu builds when i did an epoptes upload with the debian dir in the upstream tarball?
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<alkisg>
vagrantc: not that I know of... did it?
16:30
<vagrantc>
alkisg: there were complaints about my botched packaging, to which "works for me" seemed fine. :)
16:30* alkisg hasn't heard anything... weird :)
16:30
<vagrantc>
alkisg: i'm tempted to do ltsp-docs the way we've been doing epoptes
16:31
<alkisg>
Sounds fine to me!
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16:32
<vagrantc>
warren also complained about seeing lots of debian-specific commits in the original ltsp branches ... but i dunno ... we see all sorts of unrelated commits in our branches, that's what upstream is about :)
16:32
<baevs>
That's my first experience in IRC so I'm not sure how it works... my problem with ESXi that I wasn't able to run LTSP server on several different OS which were virtualized on ESXi 5
16:32
<alkisg>
warren has left fedora specific code in non-fedora dirs, so... at least the debian commits are inside debian dirs
16:33
baevs: be more specific, what you tried, what error message it produced etc
16:33
<baevs>
actually I was able to install it but thin clients refuse to boot
16:33
more specifically: thin client passes PXE, login window, it shows X-session and then hangs
16:34
<alkisg>
Distro/version?
16:34
<baevs>
I tried it first on Edubuntu 12.04
16:34
<alkisg>
So you were able to login, but after login it crashed?
16:34
<baevs>
bit edubuntu 12.04 worked well when it was installed on a piece of hardware
16:35
it didn't crash but it dedn't respond to mouse clicks and keyboard
16:35
<alkisg>
That's after login, right?
16:35
<baevs>
still I could switch to TTY1-6
16:35
yes
16:36
<alkisg>
And it was a real hardware client, which worked fine when the server was not on ESXi?
16:36
<baevs>
where I was getting repeated "hda-intel spurious response.."
16:37
the thin client is a hardware one, but edubuntu is virtualized on esxi5
16:37
that same thin client worked when edubuntu was running on hardware
16:37
<alkisg>
Do you mean when edubuntu was running locally on the client without LTSP?
16:38
<vagrantc>
alkisg: pushed the debian dir in ltsp-docs-trunk
16:38
<baevs>
the thin client is diskless
16:38
<alkisg>
vagrantc: thanks!
16:38
<baevs>
it doesn't run any ois
16:38
*os
16:38
it boots over network
16:38
<alkisg>
baevs: ok, so do you mean "when the LTSP server was installed on real hardware"?
16:39
<baevs>
I meant that LTSP was a part of the edubuntu which was running on hardware
16:40
<alkisg>
Nope, I still don't get it
16:40
I don't understand what your setup was when the client was able to boot
16:40
<baevs>
let me start over
16:41
my original setup (successful) was: a diskless thinclient + edubuntu (with ltsp) installed on a piece of hardware (DELL workstation).
16:41
This setup worked well and didn't give me any problem
16:42
then I wanted to move edubuntu with ltsp into ESXi
16:42
I already had ESXi in my infrastructure so I installed fresh edubuntu (with LTSP) as a virtual machine on ESXi
16:43
started up that same diskless thinclient
16:44
it booted from PXE, passed login, shown x-session (I made it to be gnome 2in lts.conf)
16:44
and then stopped responding to mouse clicks and keyboard hits
16:44
<alkisg>
There's no gnome-2 in 12.04, what did you put to lts.conf?
16:45
<baevs>
LDM_SESSION="gnome-session --session=gnome-fallback
16:45
<alkisg>
Is it missing a quote at the end in lts.conf too? Or just typo now?
16:46
<baevs>
I didn't paste it ...
16:46
here
16:46
<alkisg>
On your server, try: dpkg -l gnome-session-fallback
16:47
<baevs>
don't have that VM anymore... but I could recreate it
16:47* vagrantc wonders why ubuntu doesn't implement a wrapper script called gnome-session-fallback
16:47
<ogra_>
for what ?
16:47
<vagrantc>
for gnome-session --session=gnome-fallback
16:47
<ogra_>
ah, in ltsp you mean
16:47
<vagrantc>
no, in general...
16:48
<ogra_>
we neither ship gnome-session-fallback (i think its even in universe) nor do users need to call it manually
16:48
<vagrantc>
so what's gnome-session --session=gnome-fallback ?
16:48
<ogra_>
lightdm or gdm will have an entry for it you can select once its installed
16:49
the syntax you guys use in ltsp :)
16:49
<vagrantc>
i believe it's in a .desktop file
16:49
<alkisg>
vagrantc: it should be the same in debian too, it's the contents of the exec line in the gnome-fallback.desktop file
16:49
<ogra_>
display managers nowadays use .dekstop files that have that line in Exec
16:49
<baevs>
it was set by edubuntu installer when it asked me to not to use Unity as window manager I agreed so it made such lts.conf during installation
16:50
<vagrantc>
alkisg: yes, but in debian it calls gnome-session-fallback in the Exec line, and in ubuntu it calls gnome-session --session=gnome-fallback
16:50
<ogra_>
intresting
16:50
so debian has a wrapper ?
16:50
<vagrantc>
yes.
16:50
which basically does exactly that
16:50
i.e. gnome-session --session=gnome-fallback
16:50
<ogra_>
i dont think we even patch any of these packages anymore
16:51
<alkisg>
I don't mind about the exec line... I'm missing a way to select the default session independendly from the DM I use though
16:51
<ogra_>
i.e. the desktop team just wants plain upstream to save maintenance work
16:51
<alkisg>
(for all users)
16:51
<ogra_>
should be doable somehow though gsettings or so
16:52
<baevs>
16:52
it shows desktop and then stops responding
16:53
<alkisg>
ogra_: what if I'm not using gnome? No gsettings...
16:53
<baevs>
but I can switch to TTY1-6 and back to TTY7
16:53
<alkisg>
There's lightdm-set-defaults something, but it's lightdm-specific
16:53
<ogra_>
well, complain to gdm upstream if you want it for gdm too :)
16:54
<alkisg>
To freedesktop, probably :)
16:54
<ogra_>
(or implement it for ldm if you want it in ldm)
16:54
<alkisg>
I don't want something specific to DMs
16:54
<ogra_>
right, or make it a freedesktop spec :)
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<baevs>
alkisg: I also tried ubuntu 12.04 + ltsp-standalone -- similar problems
17:10
<ogra_>
greece mad a goal !
17:10
*made
17:10
<vagrantc>
ogra_: it was a freedesktop spec that was getting used and then GDM, LightDM, KDM abandoned it.
17:11
<ogra_>
ouch
17:11* ogra_ wasnt aware
17:11
<vagrantc>
divergence -> convergence -> divergence :(
17:12
<ogra_>
yeah
17:12
silly
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<alkisg>
stgraber: is it possible for the ltsp-daily recipes to build but not send mails on failure?
17:25
Or should I just disable the "[x] Daily builds" for ltsp-docs?
17:25
https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/+recipe/ltsp-docs-trunk-daily/+edit
17:25
<stgraber>
alkisg: I don't think so
17:26
<alkisg>
(I didn't touch it yet, but it started sending build failure messages)
17:27
OK, removed the nest part of the recipe, should build fine now
17:27
<vagrantc>
alkisg: so we'll have autobuilt ltsp-docs?
17:28
<alkisg>
vagrantc: yes, let me remove the ubuntu-1 part of the packaging...
17:28
(it already has ~precise etc there)
17:28
<vagrantc>
yeah, the distro really shouldn't matter on that one.
17:29
<alkisg>
{debversion}+bzr{revno}? Or {debversion}~bzr{revno} ?
17:30
<vagrantc>
alkisg: how's debversion defined?
17:30
<alkisg>
Whatever you put in changelog
17:30
<vagrantc>
alkisg: i'd say ~ then
17:30
<alkisg>
There's also debupstream, without the debian part
17:30
OK
17:31
<vagrantc>
although right now it means it will build packages earlier than the current version, but we can increment that after a release
17:31
<alkisg>
I can put + for now and change it to ~ when there's a release
17:32
<vagrantc>
that works too
17:32
<alkisg>
(I'm doing the same for ltsp, e.g. + to override the precise version, and when upstream releases a new version, ~ to allow the next ubuntu upload to override the ppa)
17:32
<vagrantc>
alkisg: can you have it be conditional?
17:32
alkisg: i.e. if unstable in debian/changelog, use +, and if UNRELEASED use ~ ?
17:32
<alkisg>
No idea... how would it know when to put + and when ~ ?
17:32
Ah
17:33
Dunno
17:33
<vagrantc>
alkisg: does it just build the uptsreamversion, or does it use the debian revision?
17:33
i.e. 1.0-1 vs. 1.0 ?
17:34
<alkisg>
debversion=1.0-1
17:34
debupstream=1.0
17:35
<vagrantc>
it would be better to put the ~bzr{revno} after the upstream part.
17:35
or maybe even leave out the debversion altogether?
17:36
<alkisg>
So, 1.0~bzr145 ?
17:36
I'd have to downgrade to install it over 1.0-1 in that case though
17:37* alkisg votes for 1.0-1+bzr145 and we can change it whenever we want a custom version...
17:37
<vagrantc>
stgraber: so i saw a bunch of launchpad commits about restructiring the package to sync ubuntu and debian ... how do you want to proceed? :)
17:37
alkisg: can you increment and add a ~ ?
17:38
<alkisg>
Dunno
17:38
<vagrantc>
alkisg: i.e. debversion+1 (1.0-1 -> 1.0-2~bzr)
17:38
<alkisg>
https://code.launchpad.net/+help-code/recipe-syntax.html
17:38
<stgraber>
vagrantc: is that based on alkisg's branch? I had the initial merge of his changes in lp:~stgraber/ubuntu/quantal/ltsp/alkisg-merge/
17:39
<vagrantc>
stgraber: we just came up with something that would allow us to have the same source package with different dependencies that was pretty sane.
17:39
<alkisg>
vagrantc: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/SourceBuilds/Recipes#Version_numbers_and_substitution_variables
17:40
I don't see anything that would produce 1.0-2~bzr
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17:41* vagrantc doesn't like the upstream version to remain the same but with potentially different upstream source tarball
17:41
<stgraber>
vagrantc: oh, good. The easiest for me to look at it is to have the new packaging be a branch of lp:ubuntu/quantal/ltsp
17:42
<vagrantc>
stgraber: essentially X-Vendor-Depends (Recommends/Suggests) can get substituted in with ${vendor:Depends} variables.
17:42
stgraber: so X-Debian-Depends for debian-specific dependencies, and X-Ubuntu-Depends for ubuntu-specific dependencies.
17:43
<stgraber>
vagrantc: oh, that sounds quite nice
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<vagrantc>
stgraber: it was alkisg's idea, my implementation :)
17:46
stgraber: would also need to probably split out ltsp-live into a separate source package, and either sync ltsp-client-builder or split that out too.
17:46
<stgraber>
vagrantc: is the X-Vendor-Depends stuff done by debhelper or is that a custom debian/rules implementation?
17:46
<vagrantc>
stgraber: custom implementation
17:47
<stgraber>
ltsp-live is definitely moving to edubuntu-netboot, I have a work item for that
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<stgraber>
for ltsp-client-builder, we should be able to get that in sync, I don't think our changes are really Ubuntu specific
17:47
<vagrantc>
it's been a long time since i've looked at ltsp-client-builder
17:48
<stgraber>
but initially I'm happy to have that delta and just merge ltsp from Debian whenever it lands in there, it's just a few minutes more work compared to a clean sync
17:50
<vagrantc>
it basically requires a review of the depends/recommends/suggests ... not sure if there are any other packaging changes at this point.
17:51
<alkisg>
The ltsp-cluster stuff
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<vagrantc>
and alkisg is using the debian packaging to build ubuntu packages... so clearly you walk the line.
17:51
<alkisg>
vagrantc: could you try putting nfs-kernel-server only in X-Debian-Depends, and I'd then build it and see if it works?
17:53* alkisg just thought of a very nice method to implement shared folders for school classes, but might hit the 16 groups limit of NFS, so he wants to try SSHFS as the default for schools here... chromium-browser seems to have started working fine with SSHFS now
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<alkisg>
So I don't need nfs-kernel-server anymore, it'd be nice to not have it installed as a dependency
17:54
<vagrantc>
alkisg: i've tested it, it workks.
17:54
cool to hear about chromium-browser working with sshfs
17:54
<alkisg>
Cool, then it's scheduled to go in X-Debian-Depends? (or recommends... and nfs-common too if you have it anywhere, didn't check)
17:55
<vagrantc>
alkisg: ok, so i can start migrating over to X-Vendor-Foo soonish
17:55
!vagrant-todo
17:55
<alkisg>
Thanks
17:55
<ltsp_>
vagrantc: vagrant-todo: (#1) pxelinux configuration, or (#2) pxemenus, or (#3) ltsp-tool.conf.d, or (#4) kiosk plugin autocreate users, or (#5) ltsp-server: Recommend: ltsp-docs, or (#6) follow-up on nbd-server.allow bug report on Debian
17:55
<vagrantc>
alkisg: and you'll propose ubuntu changes?
17:56
<alkisg>
vagrantc: the only one I add is ldm-ubuntu-theme
17:56
<vagrantc>
ltsp_: forget vagrant-todo 5
17:56
<alkisg>
Don't know what the others are needed for
17:56
<vagrantc>
nbd-server.allow ... right!
18:02
alkisg: ok, so to test nbd-server.allow issues ... i create the nbd-server.allow and and an authfile line pointing to it?
18:02
<alkisg>
vagrantc: yup
18:03
<vagrantc>
alkisg: and then clients will fail to boot?
18:03
<alkisg>
And check syslog for the messages
18:03
Right, unauthorized client
18:07
<vagrantc>
alkisg: reproduced.
18:08
<alkisg>
vagrantc: if you wanna try debuild too, you could also confirm if the patch works
18:08
<vagrantc>
alkisg: there's a patch in the launchpad report?
18:08
<alkisg>
Yup
18:08
The 2x2 swapped lines
18:08
Wouter is using <<= thinking of little endian, while netorder is big endian
18:08
<vagrantc>
that just looks like code.
18:09
<alkisg>
...it's a poor man's patch, not a debdiff :P
18:09
<vagrantc>
don't see any diff at all
18:09
<alkisg>
Yeah
18:09
I thought Wouter would understand it
18:09
<vagrantc>
so it's a code copy, not a patch?
18:09
<alkisg>
Right
18:10
It basically involves swapping 2 lines with their next one
18:10
<vagrantc>
not understanding the underlying code, i don't understand how to patch it :(
18:10
<alkisg>
OK give me a minute
18:11
<stgraber>
hehe, endianness is always fun ;)
18:11
<vagrantc>
alkisg: and submit it to the launchpad bug
18:13
<alkisg>
vagrantc: done
18:14
<vagrantc>
alkisg: it works if authfile is specified in the /etc/nbd-server/config
18:14
<alkisg>
vagrantc: nbd version?
18:15
Also, it should default to /etc/nbd-server/allow, it currently doesn't
18:15
<vagrantc>
alkisg: oh wait, no, it just says "Can't open authorization file (null) (Bad address)/"
18:15
<alkisg>
Yup
18:15
<vagrantc>
and then proceeds to work
18:15
<alkisg>
It tries to fopen(NULL, ...)
18:16
But we don't care about that particular bug in LTSP
18:16
<vagrantc>
should still be reported
18:16
<alkisg>
Since I put code to use /etc/ltsp/nbd-server.allow. But yup, that's why I reported it.
18:18
<vagrantc>
ok, bug report in progress
18:18
oh, i should confirm your patch actually fixes it.
18:20
<alkisg>
!alkisg-todo
18:20
<ltsp_>
alkisg: alkisg-todo: (#1) ltsp-update-image.symlinks, or (#2) review RM_*_SERVICES lists, or (#3) put LDM_PRINTER_LIST example in lts.conf, or (#4) package a newer version of ltsp-docs in the Greek schools PPA
18:20
<alkisg>
!learn alkisg-todo as upload fixed nbd-server package in the PPA
18:20
<ltsp_>
alkisg: The operation succeeded.
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18:22
<alkisg>
stgraber: should I be asking for SRUs for such things instead of uploading to a PPA?
18:23
<stgraber>
alkisg: that's clearly a bug, so SRU would be fine, I'm happy to sponsor the sru
18:24
<vagrantc>
alkisg: so your patch only addresses the ltsp issue, or both issues?
18:24
<alkisg>
Cool, will do when wouter commits the fix
18:24
vagrantc: only the ltsp issue
18:25
Beer time... :)
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18:26
<muppis>
Second beer already going.. :D
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19:00
<muppis>
Awesome. I changed a switch during boot and it survived. :D
19:05
<vagrantc>
!vagrant-todo
19:05
<ltsp_>
vagrantc: vagrant-todo: (#1) pxelinux configuration, or (#2) pxemenus, or (#3) ltsp-tool.conf.d, or (#4) kiosk plugin autocreate users, or (#5) ltsp-server: Recommend: ltsp-docs, or (#6) follow-up on nbd-server.allow bug report on Debian
19:06
<vagrantc>
!forget vagrant-todo 6
19:06
<ltsp_>
vagrantc: The operation succeeded.
19:06
<vagrantc>
!forget vagrant-todo 5
19:06
<ltsp_>
vagrantc: The operation succeeded.
19:08
<muppis>
Hmm.. alt-tab doesn't work in fat.
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19:27
<vagrantc>
knipwim: what's your typical user creation tool called? adduser? useradd? you have both? know how the syntax compares to debian?
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22:33
<vagrantc>
!vagrant-todo
22:33
<ltsp_>
vagrantc: vagrant-todo: (#1) pxelinux configuration, or (#2) pxemenus, or (#3) ltsp-tool.conf.d, or (#4) kiosk plugin autocreate users
22:33
<vagrantc>
!forget vagrant-todo 4
22:33
<ltsp_>
vagrantc: The operation succeeded.
22:34
<alkisg>
kiosk done?! Or merely forgotten? :)
22:34
<vagrantc>
just pushed
22:34
"works for me"
22:34
<rhorstkoetter>
alkisg: I had the very same question in mind ;)
22:35
<alkisg>
Cool, I'll test on Ubuntu in a couple of days
22:35
<vagrantc>
yeah, the syntax for todo handling is a little messy.
22:35
alkisg: basically, it just creates the user at runtime, the ltsp-build-client plugins only install packages.
22:36
well, the ubuntu one still does some configuration - i didn't know how to handle that generically.
22:36
hopefully it isn't too distro-specific.
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22:37
<alkisg>
Sounds good :)
22:37* vagrantc ponders trying to use wwm for the WM
22:38
<alkisg>
It's even preinstalled so it would be a good choice if it works
22:38
<vagrantc>
exactly.
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22:45
<vagrantc>
well, wwm works, although it puts a black border around the edges.
22:46
<alkisg>
http://packages.debian.org/devilspie2
22:46
<vagrantc>
oh, fun.
22:46
<alkisg>
The old one is unmaintained they say... http://www.gusnan.se/devilspie2/
22:47
https://live.gnome.org/DevilsPie: Note that Devil's Pie isn't really maintained - you may be more interested in the successor project Devil's Pie 2.
22:47
<vagrantc>
oh, the funs.
22:48
<alkisg>
Do we only need that to maximize the firefox window? Or is it there for the popup windows as well?
22:48* vagrantc cargo-culted that
22:50
<vagrantc>
ah, KIOSK_WM isn't passed because of the call to su
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23:32
<alkisg>
Meh xfreerdp runs fine from an xterm launched via SCREEN_07=xterm, and it segfaults when ran via an xterm launched at the top of xinitrc
23:33
Go figure
23:33
Hmm maybe it chokes on $HOME being unset
23:34
Yup
23:37
<vagrantc>
ouch.
23:38
alkisg: pushing the X-Debian-Depends: nfs-kernel-server change.
23:38
<alkisg>
Ty!
23:39
vagrantc: reccomend
23:40
<vagrantc>
alkisg: did both recommends and depends as appropriate
23:40
<alkisg>
vagrantc: no I meant you have a typo in the bzr commit message
23:40
But nm
23:40
<vagrantc>
doh.
23:40
leave it to a greek to correct my english :)
23:41
<alkisg>
Hehe
23:46
https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/+recipe/ltsp-docs-trunk-daily => Successful build
23:50* vagrantc pushes some documentation for x-vendor-substvars