IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 5 February 2016   (all times are UTC)

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06:14* alkisg sees that vagrantc is still having connectivity issues... :)
06:14
<vagrantc>
alkisg: and you have the nerve to smile about it! :P
06:14
<alkisg>
All the more reason to make ltsp more resilient to network disconnects!
06:14
<vagrantc>
heh
06:21
<vsuojanen>
that would be then very surgical thing, you need to add to ltsp package then some tape or equipment
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15:17
<mnebot>
hi
15:17
anyone speak spanish?
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19:07
<brentb>
hello everyone
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19:07
<brentb>
does anyone have time to assist me? I am new to LTSP
19:10
I have installed Ubuntu 14.04. I have also installed LTSP. My problem is with the client network booting to connect.
19:10
I have successfully connected to the LTSP server and was even able to log in, that was a big win for me.
19:11
The problem is that upon logging in, the entire top bar is blank at the top of Ubuntu.
19:11
I cannot logout, shutdown, view time/date
19:18
<alkisg_away>
brentb: are you using the greek schools ppa?
19:18alkisg_away is now known as alkisg
19:18
<alkisg>
!greek-schools-ppa
19:18
<ltsp>
greek-schools-ppa: https://launchpad.net/~ts.sch.gr/+archive/ppa/ supports LTS Ubuntu releases with newer LTSP versions, bug fixes etc
19:18
<alkisg>
Ubuntu/LTSP is broken without it
19:18
<brentb>
I am not sure what you mean by that to be honest
19:19
<alkisg>
Run this: sudo ltsp-info
19:19
And paste the result to pastebin.com
19:19
And tells us the url. This will allow us to see the ltsp version you're using.
19:21
<brentb>
ah, i need to open this chat inside the vm. wont let me past from there. brb
19:21
<alkisg>
brentb:
19:21
you can open a browser inside the vm
19:21
and paste it to pastebin from inside the vm...
19:22
then you'll get a small link, you can type that here
19:22
!pastebin
19:22
<ltsp>
pastebin: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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19:24
<brentb2>
alright, back
19:24
the content to lstp-info is at http://pastebin.com/zNdpNArF
19:25
<alkisg>
Yup, you have an old and broken ltsp
19:25
<brentb2>
aww ....
19:25
<alkisg>
So, you need to add the greek schools ppa to your sources
19:26
<brentb2>
I am familiar with and can navigate in ubuntu, but not a pro in any way.
19:26
I followed many guides to get this far
19:26
<alkisg>
Let me ask you how you plan to use ltsp
19:26
Because there's an easier way to install it
19:26
!ltsp-pnp
19:26
<ltsp>
ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
19:26
<brentb2>
I am the IT support in a company of ~50 employees
19:26
<alkisg>
...depending on your use case, that ^ might be the preferred way to install and maintain ltsp
19:27
<brentb2>
we want some computers for the shopt floor
19:27
I figured a terminal server should suffice, and I am a fan of linux
19:27
<alkisg>
Client specs, cpu/ram, and client use, e.g. web browsing, youtube, videos...
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<alkisg>
And how many clients
19:28
<brentb2>
No videos, very light browsing
19:28
they will be connecting to our erp software on another server
19:28
it is a client/server erp, so should not be resource heavy
19:29
<alkisg>
Do you have existing clients? How much ram/cpu do they have? how many are there?
19:29
<brentb2>
there are no existing clients. I will be purchasing them. but I want to do a very thin client
19:29
there will be ~10 maybe 15
19:30
right now it is proof of concept
19:30
I need to verify I can get it working before I can get anything approved
19:31
right now i am just testing with a blank vm. 1g RAM 11cpu
19:31
1cpu*
19:32
I remember reading that ltsp could even be run on client side using something as low spec as a rasberri pi
19:33
<alkisg>
The minimum specs are 128 ram, pentium II
19:33
But the user experience is lame there
19:33
It's way better *not* to use thin clients, but normal clients (always diskless in ltsp)
19:33
So you can buy a dual core "thin client" with 2 GB RAM and use it as a netbooted diskless ltsp fat client
19:34
That's the best user experience
19:34
If you do want to buy thin clients, of course you can; but note that even scrolling the erp web page won't be as smooth as with fat clients
19:35
I'd suggest that you try ltsp-pnp with a normal desktop pc as a test client,
19:35
and then, with the same client, put LTSP_FATCLIENT=False and check if you prefer it as thin or as fat
19:35
<brentb2>
That will be test 2
19:35
Once i can get it running properly on my vm
19:35
<teknkik>
fat clients are generally the way to go
19:36
<brentb2>
I will then try on a desktop booting from network
19:36
<teknkik>
if your hardware is newer than like 2000
19:36
<brentb2>
where is that LTSP_FATCLIENT located?
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19:36
<alkisg>
If you want to try both thin and fat clients, you'd better reinstall with the ltsp-pnp method
19:36
If you want to fix and test only your thin chroot, and the ppa to your server and your chroot
19:37
<brentb2>
just sudo apt-get ltsp-pnp?
19:37
<alkisg>
No, read the wiki page
19:37
<teknkik>
and w/ fat clients server side requirements are way lower
19:37
<alkisg>
!ltsp-pnp
19:37
<ltsp>
ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
19:39
<brentb2>
I will go read up on that article.
19:39
is there going to be a lot of cleanup to get rid of my current installation?
19:41
sudo apt-get --purge remove ltsp-server
19:42
I followed this guide http://blog.bobbyallen.me/2015/07/19/setup-a-ubuntu-14-04-lts-mate-terminal-server-with-ltsp/
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<alkisg>
brentb2: if you run this in your current installation:
19:47
sudo rm -rf /opt/ltsp
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sudo apt-get purge --auto-remove ltsp-server-standalone ltsp-server
19:47
...then you can continue with the ltsp-pnp wiki page
19:47* alkisg waves, later...
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19:49
<brentb2>
Thank you for the help. going to give this a shot.
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<brent_>
Hello again. I have completed the install using ltsp-pnp and was able to get connected. The bar at the top is now in tact.
21:25
This is kind of odd, but it shows the wireless connection, and shows empty. Like I do not have internet access, however I am able to browse the internet just fine
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23:14
<user__>
Is anyone here?
23:15
<vagrantc>
!ask | echo user__
23:15
<ltsp>
user__ ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least a full hour after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
23:15
<user__>
thanks - I can't stay now, but will try again later
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