IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 16 March 2007   (all times are UTC)

00:11
<gonzaloaf_laptop>
vagrantc, what version of bzr do you use?
00:11
<vagrantc>
0.11-1.1 ... what's in debian etch
00:12
<gonzaloaf_laptop>
vagrantc, ok same as me
00:12
:p
00:57
vagrantc, are you there?
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00:59
<gonzaloaf_laptop>
about the last part of the http://wiki.debian.org/LTSPDevelopment , the example is well done?
00:59
<vagrantc>
gonzaloaf_laptop: i don't know. i use bzr slightly differently
01:00
<gonzaloaf_laptop>
vagrantc, can you tell me how?
01:00
<vagrantc>
gonzaloaf_laptop: well ... i typically have a directory ... say ~/bzr/ltsp
01:01
gonzaloaf_laptop: bzr init-repo --trees ~/bzr/ltsp
01:01
cd ~/bzr/ltsp
01:01
<gonzaloaf_laptop>
then?
01:01
<vagrantc>
bzr get http://bzr.debian.org/bzr/pkg-ltsp/main pkg-ltsp-main
01:02
bzr get pkg-ltsp-main my-own-branch
01:02
or
01:02
bzr get pkg-ltsp-main some-feature-branch
01:02
and then start playing around with the code in those branches
01:03
i think the example uses the checkout feature, wich means you can't commit unless it commits to the remote repository too ...
01:03
i was meaning to revamp the ltsp pages on the debian wiki
01:06
<gonzaloaf_laptop>
well "bzr branch" is the same of "bzr get", its just an alias right?
01:06
<vagrantc>
yes
01:07
branch == get == clone
01:07
co == checkout != get
01:08
<gonzaloaf_laptop>
ci = checkin =commit
01:08
ci == checkin == commit
01:08
:p
01:08
<vagrantc>
gonzaloaf_laptop: were you using a different nick earlier?
01:09
<gonzaloaf_laptop>
vagrantc, yep... g333k, I told it just when I connect today
01:09
vagrantc, why?
01:09
<vagrantc>
ah, yes.
01:10
gonzaloaf_laptop: because i was wondering if you were the same person, or a new person showing interest :)
01:10
<gonzaloaf_laptop>
vagrantc, yep... I am the same
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01:11
<Jenna>
hey all
01:11
<gonzaloaf_laptop>
vagrantc, its my first time involving in a big project, so I have to get the pre know-how before, using a rvs and understand the way the project moves
01:12
<Jenna>
Anyone with info on how to lockdown gnome panels in the thin clients ?
01:12
<gonzaloaf_laptop>
vagrantc, its difficult for me to attend the university, work and ltsp, but I'll try my best
01:13
<vagrantc>
gonzaloaf_laptop: well, glad you're hoping to make some time for it :)
01:14
<gonzaloaf_laptop>
Jenna, have you tried pessulus
01:14
?
01:14
<Jenna>
yup . luck
01:14
no luck i.e.
01:14
not even with gconf-editor
01:14
<gonzaloaf_laptop>
Jenna, why not?
01:14
<Jenna>
dont know. btw am I install it in the right place.
01:15
I just " yum install pessulus" on the server.
01:15
I was just wondering in I need to yum intall in on /opt/ltsp-4.2/i386/ ?
01:15
what do u reckon ?
01:15
<vagrantc>
most certainly not
01:16
<gonzaloaf_laptop>
Jenna, you have to install it on the server
01:16
Jenna, you have to create a profile
01:16
<vagrantc>
though if the fedora folks ever get around to implementing ltsp5, you might start using yum in the ltsp chroots :)
01:16
<Jenna>
yeah I installed it on the server
01:16
gonzaloaf_laptop, ; profile ? how ? what profile ?
01:17
<gonzaloaf_laptop>
Jenna, I got It! I tried sabayon before and it was wonderful, can you try it?
01:17
<Jenna>
vagrantc, : yeah . I think it will take some time b4 that happens.
01:18
<vagrantc>
Jenna: more than time, it will just take a couple people who really want to see it happen, i suspect.
01:18
<Jenna>
gonzaloaf_laptop, : are u telling me to abondon my production server of k12ltsp & swithover to sabayon
01:18
?
01:18
<gonzaloaf_laptop>
Jenna, ltsp 4/5? centos/fedora?
01:19
<Jenna>
yeah. I have heard guys at FC7 are trying to integrate it ltsp5 into it
01:19
anyway I right now I have this apparently miniscule issue of locking the panels
01:19
<vagrantc>
all we see are rumours, no code.
01:19
<Jenna>
gonzaloaf_laptop, : what profiles are u talking about ? how do I create them
01:21
gonzaloaf_laptop, : by profile u mean , a user group ?
01:21
<gonzaloaf_laptop>
Jenna, threre is an utility for debian/ubuntu sabayon==system administration tool to manage GNOME desktop settings, Sabayon provides a sane way to edit GConf defaults and GConf mandatory keys: the same way you edit your desktop.Sabayon launches profiles in an Xnest window. Any changes you make in the Xnest window are saved back to the profile file, which can then be applied to user's accounts.
01:22
Jenna, so with it you create a profile and assign to all your clients, so the will see the same desktop profile, with/without you have changed
01:22
Jenna, yum search sabayon
01:23
<Jenna>
hmm. btw I though sabayon was/is a distro ?
01:23
<gonzaloaf_laptop>
Jenna, I just realize that :$
01:23
Jenna, but is also an app
01:24
Jenna, do you have a debian around there?
01:25
<Jenna>
hmm. not really
01:25
Im using rpm based distros mostly at work
01:25
<gonzaloaf_laptop>
Jenna, does #yum search sabayon, gives you any result?
01:26
<Jenna>
only debian looka like Dreamlinux here on my home
01:26
yeah. got fews results.
01:26
sabayon.1386 and sabayon-admin.i386
01:26
which one should I yum
01:27
<gonzaloaf_laptop>
the first one I think, can you paste the description of each one?
01:28
<Jenna>
sabayon: Sabayon is a tool to help sysadmins and user change and maintain the
01:28
default behaviour of the GNOME desktop.
01:28
<gonzaloaf_laptop>
Jenna, you got it
01:28
<Jenna>
sabayon-admin: Graphical tools for Sabayon profile management
01:28
The sabayon-admin package contains the graphical tools which a
01:28
sysadmin should use to manage Sabayon profiles.
01:29
<gonzaloaf_laptop>
Jenna, install both then... I think you will need both of them
01:29
play around and tell us the results
01:29
<Jenna>
okay. sure.
01:29
btw thanx gonzy
01:29
<gonzaloaf_laptop>
Jenna, np
01:31
vagrantc, you recommend me to start patching some bugs right?
01:31
<vagrantc>
gonzaloaf_laptop: sure
01:31
<Jenna>
would u be around for a while, tonight ?
01:31
<gonzaloaf_laptop>
Jenna, yep maybe 1 more hour
01:31
<vagrantc>
gonzaloaf_laptop: though, mind you, right now we're in freeze, and significant code changes are likely to be unacceptible
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01:32
<vagrantc>
gonzaloaf_laptop: but hopefully we can soon start working on lenny
01:32
<gonzaloaf_laptop>
vagrantc, where are they?
01:32
<vagrantc>
gonzaloaf_laptop: where are what?
01:32
<gonzaloaf_laptop>
vagrantc, the bugs list
01:32
<vagrantc>
gonzaloaf_laptop: there's a link to it on the LTSPDevelopment page
01:33
gonzaloaf_laptop: or http://bugs.debian.org/src:ltsp
01:33
<gonzaloaf_laptop>
vagrantc, what is lenny?
01:33
<vagrantc>
gonzaloaf_laptop: the release of debian after etch
01:35
gonzaloaf_laptop: sadly, we might not be able to get any non release-critical bugs fixed in ltsp right now
01:35
<gonzaloaf_laptop>
vagrantc, Ohh I didnt know, so we have to focus on patch as much bugs as we can to make ltsp pkg be included on etch?
01:36
<vagrantc>
gonzaloaf_laptop: no, it's currently included in etch, and no release-critical bugs have shown themselves yet that would get it removed.
01:36
gonzaloaf_laptop: but there are some important bugs we may not be able to get fixed
01:37
<gonzaloaf_laptop>
vagrantc, ohh
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<envite>
Hello all from Spain
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05:19
<envite>
ouch :(
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07:37
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
g'morning
07:37
ogra: hi r u there?
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07:45
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
hey at edubuntu how can i loggin in the client?.. i make a client user and ltsp-client try to loggin but reboot the X again
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07:59
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
alguien activo por ahi?
07:59
somebody active there?
08:01
<envite>
activo, dime
08:03
<IRCzito>
:D
08:04
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
envite: tengo el edubuntu acabado de instalar
08:04
pero no me entra el user
08:04
hace pa entrar pero me saca de nuevo al login
08:04
pnse que q tenia el user logueado
08:04
y cree otro
08:04
y sigue igual
08:04
como hago pa q entre el cliente
08:07
envite: ?
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08:12
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
ogra: in edubuntu why if i try login like a user created in the server gdm try to logging and reboot again to login screen?
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08:13
<envite>
sh3mh4mf0r4sh: I remember that happening to me
08:13
but now i dont remember which the problem was
08:15
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
thats strange
08:15
can't access :)
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08:29
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
cliebow: can u help with edubuntu?
08:31
<cliebow>
prob not..but ill listen 8~)
08:32
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
why if i try login like a user created in the server gdm try to logging and reboot again to login screen?
08:33
<Gadi>
sh3mh4mf0r4sh: as far as i know it could be one of 3 things: 1. The user account has a prob (try logging in on server) 2. you need to run ltsp-update-sshkeys 3. you dont have a desktop (like gnome) installed on the server or /etc/X11/Xsession is not executable
08:33
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
Gadi: i guess then left me use update sshkeys
08:33
<cliebow>
i was going to say that too..
08:33
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
Gadi: i make installed server and run a client
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
just that
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08:34
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
ok ltsp-update-sshkeys ranned
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09:25
<ogra>
Gadi, 2) isa only needed if any IP data changed since you built the chroot ...
09:26
ltsp-update-sshkeys is run by ltsp-build-client *and* every time an interface comes up
09:26
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
ok
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09:26
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
now edubuntu works with sound and logged ok
09:26
now have to test the devices
09:26
<Gadi>
sh3mh4mf0r4sh: what did you need to do to fix it?
09:27
<ogra>
if you have installed an edubuntu on a two NIC machine all will be configured right ... only if the HW doesnt fit this scheme manual work is needed
09:27
<dmorar>
hi, im having a bad day with ltsp sound, i found a guide on the wiki but it seems its a little old (and fuzzy??) , can anyone give me a guideline?
09:27
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
don't know... i test
09:27
<Gadi>
dmorar: LTSP 4.2 or 5?
09:27
<dmorar>
Gadi: 4.2
09:27
<Gadi>
Gnome or KDE?
09:27
or other?
09:28
<dmorar>
Gadi: KDE
09:28
<Gadi>
ok, what seems to be the problem?
09:28
<dmorar>
Gadi: lol
09:28
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
ogra: where is the uhmm
09:28
i insert a cd in the client
09:28
client not mount
09:28
:|
09:29
floopy either
09:29
<Gadi>
dmorar: do you get an error when the client boots about not detecting the sound card?
09:30
<dmorar>
Gadi: i can't find the arts tab in kde, i wrote this line in the tls.conf SOUND_DAEMON = esd (and in boot time it says i have a mistake in the sound module ) , and i dont know if i have to use nasd or esd or alsa---
09:30
<Gadi>
well, alsa is not a choice
09:30
only nas and esd
09:30
<dmorar>
ok, which one is better?
09:30
<Gadi>
we'll start with esd, though KDE folks sometime have an easier time with nas
09:30
<dmorar>
ok
09:31
<ogra>
sh3mh4mf0r4sh, is that the user you created during install or a new one
09:31
<dmorar>
Gadi: i'm running slackware if this is relevant 4 u, :)
09:31
<Gadi>
bleh, slackware
09:31
<dmorar>
gadi: lol
09:31
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
ogra: new
09:31
<Gadi>
what is this attraction to slackware?
09:31
anyhow...
09:31
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
flash recognize but not show either
09:31
<ogra>
sh3mh4mf0r4sh, try with the other user ...
09:31
<dmorar>
Gadi: its so easy... (everything but sound)
09:31
<Gadi>
sounds like its not autodetecting the module for your soundcard
09:32
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
ogra: how other? make 1 again?
09:32
<Gadi>
do you know what soundcard you have?
09:32
in the client
09:32
<dmorar>
ok, so what should i do... this might be an intel
09:32
<ogra>
sh3mh4mf0r4sh, no the one you created during install
09:32
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
ok
09:32
<ogra>
sh3mh4mf0r4sh, for new users see the screenshot at the bottom of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnableLTSP5LocalDevices
09:33
<cliebow>
dmorar, run lspci and see what bus soundcard is on
09:33
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
ok i read it now
09:33
<cliebow>
then lspci -n to get pci id on that bus
09:33
<Gadi>
dmorar: sorry - multitasking
09:33
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
wehll my user when i created during install can't mount floppy
09:33
<Gadi>
anyhow, ...
09:33
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
cdrom either
09:33
said: no media found .. and the floppy.. can't mount /dev
09:33
just that
09:34
<dmorar>
cliebow, is there a way to get a shel (if i commented the line in lts.conf ?)
09:34
<Gadi>
dmorar: I would suggest grabbing this package and installing it: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#esd_ALSA_sound_on_LTSP_4_2
09:34
<dmorar>
ok, lemme see
09:34
<Gadi>
this will allow you to specify ALSA sound card modules rather than OSS ones for the client to use
09:35
Then, if it continues to fail to autodetect, you can add a line like: SMODULE_01 = "snd-intel8x0"
09:36
which is prolly the driver you need for an intel sound card
09:36
<ogra>
sh3mh4mf0r4sh, thats a stock edubuntu ? you didnt install anything, or fiddle around anywhere before testing ?
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09:36
<dmorar>
ok, Gadi, lemme c
09:37
Gadi: anyway i can change to another client and try it
09:37
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
ogra: wait
09:37
i check your screenshot of check marcks
09:37
i test again
09:37
<ogra>
sh3mh4mf0r4sh, and where do you see therse error messages ?
09:37
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
I installed your link passme yesterday ..just installed and test this
09:37
ogra: in the syslog
09:37
<ogra>
ah, ok
09:38
you need to log out the user if you changed the setting for him
09:38
it will only take affect on next login
09:38
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
hehe
09:38
now floppy show the icon
09:38
and the files inside
09:38
:D
09:38
<ogra>
good
09:38
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
is a cool pint
09:38
<ogra>
thats how it should be :)
09:38
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
left me the cdrom and memorys sticks
09:39
<ogra>
well, if floppy works the others should work as well :)
09:39
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
cdrom can't mount :(
09:39
<Gadi>
ogra: did any of the printer automagic stuff make it into feisty?
09:39
<ogra>
Gadi, there was no spec for it ...
09:39
<Gadi>
ah
09:39
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
ogra: now yes
09:39
<Gadi>
huh
09:40
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
have to eject and inject again
09:40
sorry :)
09:40* Gadi has fuzzy memory
09:40
<ogra>
only jetpipe made it in as lp_server replacement ...
09:40
and jetpipe cant do serial
09:40
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
now the devices of the milleniem of my problems with my navigation room with memorys deletes :S
09:40
<dmorar>
Gadi: ok, now i'd installed this package, should i reboot the client?
09:40
<Gadi>
dmorar: yes
09:40
<dmorar>
Gadi: Ok, then i'll be back :P
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
ogra: cool
09:41
all fine
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09:41
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
in this case show this memory.. have to found other to se if not stay at cache
09:41
wait
09:41
<ogra>
great :)=
09:41
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
oh btw
09:41
the clients
09:42
i mean
09:42
the users
09:42
Gadi: ayudame ahi. como se traduce "acostumbrados" en ingles
09:42
<Gadi>
are used to
09:42
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
thaxs
09:42
<Gadi>
(or accustomed to)
09:43
lo mismo que en espanol
09:43
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
ogra: the users in the clients are accustomed to windows.. to select the memory to unplugged and later disconnect
09:43
now
09:43
the right clic not said
09:43
umount
09:43
<ogra>
right
09:43
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
just they can unplugged and no happend nothign?
09:43
<ogra>
you can just unplug
09:43
yeah
09:43
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
cool
09:43
the problem is
09:44
<Gadi>
just make sure the light on the memstick is not blinking
09:44
;)
09:44
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
they think to that was unproperlly to devices
09:44
Gadi: course jejeje
09:44
<Gadi>
it is in general
09:44
<ogra>
the code syncs the data and unmounts automatically if there was no data transfer for two seconds ... the user wont see that
09:44
<Gadi>
ltspfs tries to be user-proof ;)
09:44
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
cooll
09:44
ok..
09:44
<ogra>
so you can always just unplug without fearing dataloss
09:44
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
test other floppy and other flash and go away to install the new server
09:45
ah.. other things i'm suffred with 4.2
09:45
now i test with the laptop
09:45
and works cool
09:45
when i logged my 15 clients
09:45
pass same like 4.2
09:45
desktop showme the 15 floppys(N)
09:45
and have to set mandatory in the gnome-conf?
09:45
to not show devices?
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09:45
<dmorar>
Hi!
09:45
<ogra>
the desktop is patched
09:46
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
cool
09:46
:D
09:46
ok
09:46
<ogra>
it will only show you devices you have access to
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<MrChicken>
Hello
09:46
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
perfect
09:46
<MrChicken>
Hola sh3mh4mf0r4sh
09:46
<ogra>
so none of the others floppies should appear
09:46
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
MrChicken: que vola
09:46
<MrChicken>
ahi vamos
09:46
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
ogra: u c! :)
09:46
<MrChicken>
solo me falta habilitar sonido
09:46
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
ogra: NOW i have a success story ;)
09:46
jajajaja
09:46* ogra hopes thats true for floppies as well, i didnt write or test the floppy stuff ;)
09:46
<dmorar>
Gadi: Ok, i saw a lot of alsa messages but can't say if they concluded with success or with fail, when i do lsmod i can see some oss modules, and lspci shows the intel sound card...
09:47
<Gadi>
dmorar: from a shell on the client u mean?
09:47
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
this will be explotion here at cuba.. never plave here is implemented this
09:47
brb
09:47
<MrChicken>
Hello... I'm trying to set up local sound... I've read the wiki but cant find where it tells how tod o that
09:47
<dmorar>
Gadi: yes
09:47
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
to install a new server
09:47
<Gadi>
dmorar: excellent
09:47
ur half-way there
09:47
<MrChicken>
can anybody direct me to the right place please?
09:47
:$
09:48
<dmorar>
Gadi: ok... :) , what should come next?
09:48
<Gadi>
dmorar: now, you just need to tell arts to use esd as its backend
09:48
<dmorar>
Gadi: ok, now... how do i do that?
09:48
<Gadi>
thats usually in the KDE control panel
09:48
(if it doesnt crash :P )
09:48
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
ogra: later i ask u some question..to when i talk in the conference or my cuban wiki page about ltsp the users can read it can understetd the philosophy of this .. about how work .. why things happend.. etc etc
09:49
some technics questions. ;)
09:49
<dmorar>
Gadi ok, i go control panel - sound -sound system (i have the spanish edition, so maybe some names will be different) , but no arts tab
09:49
<ogra>
ok
09:49
<Gadi>
dmorar: is there something about sound system?
09:49
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
BRB
09:49
<Gadi>
like a pulldown?
09:50
<dmorar>
yes
09:50
in hardware tab
09:50
<Gadi>
ok, choose: Enlightened Sound Daemon
09:50
<dmorar>
ok
09:50
<ogra>
*shudder*
09:51
thast so last century :P
09:51
<Gadi>
ogra: more like last month
09:51
:)
09:51
<ogra>
heh
09:51
<dmorar>
"error connecting to server, will continue to use null" -> or something like that
09:51
<Gadi>
dmorar: ok
09:51
<ogra>
pulseaudio is the future !
09:51
<Gadi>
you may need to logout/in
09:51
or some such
09:51
<dmorar>
Ok
09:51
<Gadi>
or kill off artsd on the server
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09:52
<Gadi>
and log in
09:52
ogra: did you see a big bump in video performance with pulse?
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09:52
<dmorar>
Gadi: same thing
09:52
<ogra>
Gadi, not really
09:52
but then i never use video on morew than one client
09:53
<Gadi>
ogra: even on one client
09:53
you should
09:53
<dmorar>
Gadi: i dont think i have esd running on the server, or something like that?
09:53
<ogra>
it was neither slower nor faster on that
09:53
<Gadi>
dmorar: make sure you have packages for esound on the server
09:53
<ogra>
i mean, it was never problematic, not even with esd here
09:53
<Gadi>
ogra: that may be due to the ssh proxying
09:53
then, you never thoroughly tested ;)
09:54
<ogra>
movies run fluid without probs
09:54
<dmorar>
Gadi: ok, how i do that?, (i mean name of the packages)
09:54
<ogra>
in fullscreen ...
09:54
DVDs played from the servers DVD as well
09:54
<Gadi>
dmorar: I dont know anything about slackware :(
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09:54
<Gadi>
ogra: great to hear
09:54
that should not have been true with esd
09:55
not without video skip
09:55
<ogra>
no probs ...
09:55
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
ogra:
09:55
<Gadi>
its a fundamental deficiency in esd
09:55
<ogra>
but then as i said, i never have had more than one client running with video
09:55
<MrChicken>
ogra ... I havent been able to get the sound working
09:55
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
i'm seeing the dhcp.conf and is very different by default like other versions
09:55
<MrChicken>
I went to autodetect soundcards and I get "no sound cards"
09:55
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
where server said to dhcp send the kernel to client by PXE?
09:55
<dmorar>
dmorar 8236 0.8 2.3 120312 49176 ? Sl 09:48 0:01 /opt/kde/bin/artsd -F 7 -S 1024 -a esd -n -s 60 -m artsmessage -c drkonqi -l 3 -f
09:56
will this suffice?
09:56
<ogra>
sh3mh4mf0r4sh, /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf is a very slimmed done one
09:56
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
ah
09:56
<ogra>
and the one we use
09:56
<Gadi>
dmorar: I think that looks ok
09:56
<ogra>
MrChicken, on ubuntu ltsp ?
09:56
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
yes i c that
09:56
<Gadi>
dmorar: can you do: which esdplay
09:56
<ogra>
you shouldnt need to run any detection tool
09:57
<MrChicken>
ogra ... FC4 ltsp
09:57
running Gnome
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09:58
<ogra>
MrChicken, sorry, no clue about fedora here, wiki-ltsp.org is your best bet i guess
09:59
<Gadi>
bbiab
09:59
<MrChicken>
I guess it cant be that different from ubuntu
09:59
<ogra>
MrChicken, usually setting SOUND=Y in lts.conf and exporting the right ESPEAKER variables should even work on fedora
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10:00
<ogra>
MrChicken, fedora doesnt have ltsp5 at all
10:00
the ltsp5 implementation totally relies on autodetection mechanisms from the distro ...
10:00
its complertely different
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10:02
<ogra>
even though you are right for the netwoprk transport part of esd, thats identical since its the identical soundserver
10:02
<cliebow>
!wiki
10:02
<ltspbot>
cliebow: "wiki" is the LTSP wiki. You can find it at http://wiki.ltsp.org
10:02
<vagrantc>
!sound
10:02
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "sound" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Sound
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10:03
<dmorar>
hi
10:03
Gadi: i noticed i dont have /dev/dsp
10:04
<Gadi>
as well you shouldn't - you are no longer using OSS
10:06
<ogra>
vagrantc, hey, how was your talk ?
10:06* MrChicken is using ltsp 4.3
10:06
<MrChicken>
4.2
10:07* MrChicken is using ltsp 4.2
10:07
<MrChicken>
sorry
10:07
<dmorar>
Gadi: ok, but i still got the same "can't connect to the server " error
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10:08
<vagrantc>
ogra: went really good. :)
10:08
ogra: we actually did an edgy ltsp install. heh. :)
10:09
<ogra>
cool
10:09
vagrantc, do you have linked your instructions for localdev support on the ltsp wiki somewhere ?
10:10
<Gadi>
dmorar: as a test, open a terminal window on the desktop and type: echo $ESPEAKER
10:10
<ogra>
we had several people tyring out the debian tarball ...
10:10
<Gadi>
if it returns nothing: echo $DISPLAY
10:10
<ogra>
asking how to get localdev running
10:10
<Gadi>
and: export ESPEAKER=<IP>:16001
10:10
then: esdplay <some sound file>
10:11
and see if you get sound
10:11
<dmorar>
Gadi: ip is the serv or the client?
10:11
<Gadi>
client
10:13
<vagrantc>
ogra: you know, i don't think i've linked those in ...
10:13
<ogra>
we should have a documentatzion or something somewhere ...
10:13
<vagrantc>
yeah, the debian tarball for etch probably doesn't include ltspfs
10:13
<ogra>
i kno
10:13
w
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10:13
<ogra>
so lets catch that by docs :)
10:14
<vagrantc>
i started a series of wiki pages at http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP
10:14
<ogra>
its a critical feature nearly everyone wants :)
10:14
<vagrantc>
i know, i know.
10:14
<ogra>
i bet the ubuntu doc would work as well though ... (if you kept the stuff in the initscript and ldm )
10:15
<vagrantc>
yeah, everything is ready to go, you just have to install the ltspfs* packages in the appropriate places
10:15
<uuuuuuuu>
hi, i'm getting "segment does not fit in memory" error while loading kernel from ubuntu tarball
10:15
<vagrantc>
i'm hoping to get an upload this weekend that fixes a couple bugs and adds some more documentation.
10:15
<ogra>
vagrantc, ok, then i can point people to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnableLTSP5LocalDevices as well
10:16
<dmorar>
Audio File Library: '/opt/kde/share/apps/klettres/nl/alpha/a-9.ogg': unrecognized audio file format [error 0]
10:16
<uuuuuuuu>
vmlinuz-2.6.17-10-386 from ubuntu_6.10_i386/boot which is in ltsp_ubuntu_6.10_i386-2.tar.bz2
10:16
<Gadi>
dmorar: try a regular wav file
10:16
<dmorar>
wav?
10:16
<Gadi>
as opposed to an ogg
10:17
<ogra>
uuuuuuuu, did you run tghe appropriate scripts to copy the kernel to the tftp dir ?
10:17
<Gadi>
sounds like you do not have support for oggs
10:17
<dmorar>
ok, i get no sound
10:17
<Gadi>
hmm...
10:18
<ogra>
Gadi, btw, did you see th enew features in ubuntu, like the automatic codec loading of libgimmecodec ?
10:18
<Gadi>
perhaps its best if you follow the KDE+NAS directions instead (I think KDE folks have more luck with that)
10:18
its on:
10:18
!sound
10:18
<ltspbot>
Gadi: "sound" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Sound
10:18
<Gadi>
ogra: seriously?
10:18
<ogra>
yes
10:19
<Gadi>
neat
10:19
<ogra>
yup
10:19
totem just pops up a window, if youi click ok it will install the needed drivers ...
10:19
<Gadi>
thats a long time coming
10:19
excellent
10:20
now, if someone could come up with an email alternative to evolution that doesnt suck, you'd be set ;)
10:20
<ogra>
well, additionally the binary driver situation got a lot better as well ...
10:20
evolution==integration ...
10:20
integration==tons of features ...
10:20
<Gadi>
evolution==sucking much
10:20
<ogra>
tons of features==sucks easier
10:21
<Gadi>
it lacks basic features
10:21
<ogra>
use sylpheed :)
10:21
<Gadi>
which is part of why it sucks
10:21
<ogra>
mutt for gnome :P
10:21
<Gadi>
sylpheed lacks integration
10:21
;)
10:21* Gadi thinks the evo devs have never used email
10:21
<ogra>
LOL
10:22
evo is great with pop3 ...
10:22
unbeaten
10:22
<uuuuuuuu>
ogra, now with nbi.img it goes
10:22
<Gadi>
not at all
10:22
<ogra>
uuuuuuuu, are you using etherboot ?
10:22
<Gadi>
it lacks the ability to delete emails from the server
10:22
a basic function
10:22
<ogra>
huh ?
10:22
<Gadi>
imho
10:22
<ogra>
i have had that here for years ...
10:22
<uuuuuuuu>
i think so
10:22
<Gadi>
say you want to leave emails on your server
10:23
and pop down a copy
10:23
but you want to have it so that if you delete a local email, it deletes from the server
10:23
<ogra>
uuuuuuuu, well, then nbi.img is what you want, right ... would you mind pointing that out in one sentence oin the tarball wikipage ? i think its not mentioned there
10:23
<Gadi>
so your server doesnt max out
10:23
<ogra>
right, thats how i udes evo
10:23
*used
10:23
<Gadi>
doesnt work
10:23
<ogra>
until i switched my server to ipmaps
10:23
*impas
10:24
ergh
10:24
IMAPS
10:24
<Gadi>
it just keeps all emails on server
10:24
<uuuuuuuu>
ogra, i'm not registered...
10:25
<Gadi>
I wont even talk about its poor use of memory
10:25
<ogra>
register :)
10:25
Gadi, right, mem wise its not great, but show3 me something better
10:25
<Gadi>
using about as much virtual memory as mailbox size
10:26
evo is the perfect storm of a broken email environment ;)
10:27
<ogra>
i donmt think its worse or5 better than outlook
10:27
and i dont suspect it to improve much over outlook, novell maintains it :P
10:28* vagrantc wonders why stratus needed the '-o', 'StrictHostKeyChecking no' bit added to ldm
10:28
<ogra>
if you want a fast and reliable mailer use mutt ....
10:28
<Gadi>
i think outlook express has more features :P
10:28
and doesnt crash as much
10:28
due to bad memory mgmt
10:28
give mutt to an end user
10:28
c'mon
10:28
<ogra>
vagrantc, he didnt run ltsp-update-sshkeys i think
10:29
<Gadi>
thats the problem - the developers obviously dont use the program
10:29
<vagrantc>
ogra: yes, but we've got the if-up.d code, too.
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10:29
<ogra>
but adding '-o', 'StrictHostKeyChecking no' wil drop us down one scurity level ... i wont include it by default
10:29
<vagrantc>
ogra: yes, i don't really want it either ...
10:29
<ogra>
a switch is possible though
10:29
<Gadi>
ooh
10:29
I second the motion for that switch
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10:30
<ogra>
but even that would be called --run-insecure-if-you-know-whatya-doin
10:30
<Gadi>
in addition to specifying a different app srvr
10:30
:)
10:30
<vagrantc>
ogra: i say let users configure ssh_opts via lts.conf
10:30
<uuuuuuuu>
ogra: done
10:30
<ogra>
neither will be a default feature, but patches accepted ;)
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
ogra: look this
10:30
Mar 16 11:18:57 192.168.0.249 kernel: [17181548.472000] sda: unknown partition table
10:30
<uuuuuuuu>
blackout, UPS beeping... bye
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10:30
<Gadi>
hey, if ur already making the switch... ;)
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10:30
<ogra>
sh3mh4mf0r4sh, your kernel cant read the partitions
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10:31
<ogra>
Gadi, i'm not making such switches
10:31
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
this an other memory stick
10:31
<Gadi>
:)
10:31
<ogra>
not if there isnt something thats really convincing me
10:31
<vagrantc>
i'll work on a patch for tweaking ssh_opts ... should be easy.
10:31
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
then?
10:31
<ogra>
vagrantc, feisty has SSH_OVERRIDE_PORT already
10:32* Gadi sets up recorded loop message to play while ogra sleeps
10:32
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
continued will half memorys works and other half not works
10:32
<vagrantc>
ogra: just the PORT ?
10:32
<ogra>
vagrantc, i had a bug about it
10:32
someone with a huge setup wanted to run multiple ssh servers
10:32
on different ports
10:32
<vagrantc>
sure.
10:33
i would think an SSH_EXTRA_OPTS or something that just appends to existing ssh_opts should be more flexible.
10:33
<ogra>
sure, feel free to :)
10:33
<vagrantc>
and SSH_OPTS to override the default
10:33
or ... LDM_*OPTS
10:34
<ogra>
nah
10:34
lets keep that for ldm options :)
10:34
<vagrantc>
it's trivial to write, in either case.
10:34
heh.
10:34
<Gadi>
vagrantc: I dare you to make an SSH_OVERRIDE_SERVER
10:34
;)
10:34
I just dare you
10:34
<vagrantc>
Gadi: doing ... ?
10:34
<Gadi>
Overriding the ssh server to use
10:34
<ogra>
i plan to spec out a new ldm or at least an improved one in sevilla on the next conf
10:35
<vagrantc>
Gadi: i thought we already did that ...
10:35
<Gadi>
you did?
10:35
<ogra>
not that i know of
10:35
<vagrantc>
hrm.
10:35
i definitely pushed for it at some point.
10:36
but it's apparently not there.
10:36
<ogra>
i'm still pondering zeroconf integration for that instead of config options
10:36
i havent it in my tree either
10:36* Gadi prefers specified vs zeroconf
10:36
<ogra>
i know you had a feature tree for it, you showed it to me once
10:36
<vagrantc>
i think a one-line patch would add something like LDM_SERVER
10:37
oh, i had a user@SERVER feature
10:37
<ogra>
yeah
10:37
the one i didnt like
10:37
<vagrantc>
so you could specify any server in the login window
10:37* Gadi prefers not allowing the user to choose a server themselves
10:38
<Gadi>
or not require it to be a user decision
10:38
<MrChicken>
Hello
10:38
<vagrantc>
Gadi: you and all your pesky preferences
10:38
<Gadi>
well, talk about security
10:38
part of security is control
10:38
:)
10:38
<vagrantc>
well, you have control over the allowed servers by way of ssh keys
10:38
it won't connect to any server it doesn't know about
10:38
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
ogra: uff some a littles memorys in particular
10:39
i test Other again and this works fine
10:39
Mar 16 11:25:30 192.168.0.249 kernel: [17181942.084000] sda: sda1
10:39
<Gadi>
can you do that on a workstation basis?
10:39
<ogra>
sh3mh4mf0r4sh, the partition table of the other one is broken
10:39
<vagrantc>
Gadi: not without a lot of hacking, no.
10:39
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
but
10:39
in the ubuntu works fine
10:39
and windows works fine
10:39
<Gadi>
vagrantc: thats why it is preferrable to specify imho
10:39
<vagrantc>
Gadi: but adding LDM_SERVER is a one-liner
10:39
<MrChicken>
I'm getting a strange error... cmmpci module is not working
10:39
at least not loading
10:39
<Gadi>
or at least be able to
10:40
<MrChicken>
when trying to load the sound driver
10:40
can anybody help me out?
10:41
<vagrantc>
Gadi: self.server = get_config ('LDM_SERVER') or get_config('SERVER')
10:41
<ogra>
vagrantc, oh, btw, do you have any fix for the MODULE_xx handling i could pull into feisty ?
10:41
<vagrantc>
ogra: to support options?
10:41
<ogra>
yes
10:41
<vagrantc>
ogra: not yet , but i was thinking about it the other day
10:41
<ogra>
optinss seem to be the only usecase for that variable
10:42
i wouldnt know why else you should load modules manually on ubuntu
10:42
<Gadi>
vagrantc: as always, you are my hero :)
10:42
<joebaker>
Perl Locale, Language Errors when doing chroot into ltsp5 ubuntu Edgy. Any ideas?
10:42* ogra imagines vagrantc in superman suit
10:42
<ogra>
joebaker, ignore
10:42
<vagrantc>
Gadi: i haven't tested it, but i *think* it won't break anything.
10:42
<joebaker>
thanks
10:43
<ogra>
and they are not errors, they are warnings :)
10:43
feisty fixes that
10:43
<Gadi>
vagrantc: certainly not with the StrictHostKeyChecking no option ;)
10:43
<ogra>
right, you will need that
10:43* vagrantc notes that debian has been free of such Locale warnings for months
10:43
<ogra>
which gets us well ... to the point where you could also use xdmcp :P
10:43
<vagrantc>
Gadi: you can also add additional ssh keys to support
10:44
<ogra>
vagrantc, yes, but debian hgas a completely different language handling
10:44
<vagrantc>
without stricthostkeychecking ... the security of ldm is... weak.
10:44
<ogra>
yeah
10:45
vagrantc, i also set the keymaps now ... for X and in console-setup
10:45
so things like XKBLayout isnt needed anymore ... only if you really want to differ from the server
10:45
<Gadi>
ogra: strict host key checking blocks man-in-the-middle only - if you really were worried about security, you wouldnt have patched ssh to have a no encryption option :P
10:45
<ogra>
Gadi, we didnt
10:45
<vagrantc>
ogra: nice
10:46
<ogra>
Gadi, and if we do the option will be called ItsYourOwnFaultThatHackersCanGetIn or something
10:46
<joebaker>
LOCALDEV support. We use LDAP authentication. I suppose I need to put the PAM configurations for LDAP into the MueKow envoronment for localdev to work. I suspect it's the group membership for fuse
10:46
<Gadi>
lol
10:46
<joebaker>
that's the problem.
10:46
<ogra>
iÄ'll probably even make it two or three times as long ,.,...
10:47
it should be a PITA to switch off security so people thing twice
10:47* vagrantc loves the idea of an ItsYourOwnFaultThatHackersCanGetIn option
10:47
<ogra>
joebaker, yes, you need fuse ...
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10:49
<joebaker>
I havn't followed everything in the current SSH discussion, but maybe you could start another SSH daemon which is configured just for the subnet and runs on a different port. I wish OpenSSH could be configured to tunnel traffic without encryption. It's tunneling facillities are great, and I love using public key encryption for authentication, but it really should offer the cypher "none" as a workable option.
10:49
IMHO.
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10:56
<dmorar>
Gadi: i'm tottally lost with this..
10:56
<ogra>
joebaker, thats what i just implemented in feisty ...
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10:56
<ogra>
but these guys want more
10:57
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
what probram run over edubuntu to burn CDs
10:57
?
10:57
program*
10:57
<ogra>
just put in an empty CD ;)
10:57
<Gadi>
ogra: so you *do* set the cypher to none?
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10:57
<ogra>
itz will pop up
10:57
Gadi, nope
10:58
Gadi, but i offer a non stanbdard port
10:58
optionally
10:58
<Gadi>
ah
10:58
<dmorar>
Gadi, in boot time i see an error msg, saying it could'nt find an open port
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<ogra>
cipher=none is something colinb watson doesnt like ... and if he can *smoehow* forget or oversee it he will do so
10:59
<Gadi>
dmorar: for NAS?
10:59
<dmorar>
yes
10:59
<Gadi>
thats odd
10:59
<dmorar>
ps
10:59
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
well .. shoot cd/dvd creator but not know how used :S
11:00
<ogra>
its a long ongoing fight between us :) he knopws he has to add it at some point since he agreed (with gnashing teeth)
11:00
<dmorar>
root 9797 3188 0 10:26 tty1 00:00:00 nasd
11:00
<Gadi>
oh, well thats good
11:00
so, at least its running
11:00
<dmorar>
yes
11:00
<ogra>
sh3mh4mf0r4sh, there is a button in the taskbar ... drop your files in the window and click it it should be self explaining
11:00
<Gadi>
try changing the sound system to : Network Audio
11:01
<ogra>
note also that we dont support burning on clients yet
11:01
<dmorar>
Gadi: i dont see that option in the harware tab
11:02
<Gadi>
dmorar: hmm... http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Sound#aRts
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
wow so easy :D
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<dmorar>
Gadi: sorry, had to shutdown this client, so i dont see any networking audio on the hadrware tab
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<dmorar>
jmoraing.suroot.com [192.168.1.1] 16001 (?) : Connection refused
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<uuuuuuuu>
ok, now i've got ubuntu chroot booting
11:12
but
11:13
when the X session login appears (kdm) the keyboard stops working
11:14
i can quickly change with alt+f2 before this and get shell
11:14
<ogra>
i think thats a longstanding bug in kdm ... (not a KDE user here so i'm not 100% sure)
11:14
try gdm
11:14
or even the default (ldm)
11:15
ldm is better anyway, neither sound nor localdev are implemnented for xdmcp connections
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<uuuuuuuu>
kdm was already working with ltsp 4.2 and from X -query and from previous settings
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<ogra>
well thats what i heard ...
11:15
i dont use or test gdm or kdm during ltsp development
11:16
since we dont focus on insecure xdmcp connections
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<uuuuuuuu>
i see
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<ogra>
thats why ldm was written first place :)
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<dmorar>
ogra, could you help me to get sound working in slack pleae...
11:18
uhh ok
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<bgomes>
dmorar: yesterday my friend IRCZito make ltsp-5 on slack, what is the version u use in your ltsp?
11:20
<dmorar>
ltsp 4.2 in slackware 11
11:20
is there a ltsp 5 version for slack?
11:20
<bgomes>
dmorar: but he use debian image for terminal
11:21
<dmorar>
oic...
11:21
<bgomes>
dmorar: there are one problem on script of sound with ltsp4 of slack
11:22
dmorar: I have ltsp on my pc, with slack em ltsp-4.2, Will check what was a problem... wait few minutes pleas
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<dmorar>
bgomes: ok
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bgomes: which server did u use?, (esd or nasd) ?
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<bgomes>
dmorar: esd (it is default)
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<dmorar>
bgomes, ok
11:27
bgomes, i need to reboot to get esd on the client, please wait a second... ok?
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<vagrantc>
dmorar: there's no native ltsp 5 implementation for slackware, but you could grab a tarball:
11:28
!tarball
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "tarball" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5TarballInstructions
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<dmorar>
hi
11:29
again...
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bgomes: ok, now im here...
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<vagrantc>
dmorar: there's no native ltsp 5 implementation for slackware, but you could grab a tarball:
11:31
!tarball
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "tarball" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5TarballInstructions
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<bgomes>
dmorar: wait
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<dmorar>
ok
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<bgomes>
dmorar: line 71 of /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.sound
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<bgomes>
/bin/esd -nobeeps -tcp -port 16001 -public -as 1 &
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<dmorar>
ok, i see it
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<bgomes>
dmorar: u chage this line?
11:37
<dmorar>
this line is fine
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<bgomes>
dmorar: do u have a /dev/dsp on terminal ?
11:38
<dmorar>
no i dont...
11:39
<bgomes>
dmorar: whait is your sound card? ( lspci )
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<dmorar>
Gadi told me this doesn't matter cause i was using alsa modules (from wiki)
11:39
when i do lspci, i see an intel ac'97 ich4
11:40
do u need the chipset?
11:40
82801DB ICH4 AC '97 CODEC
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<bgomes>
dmorar: do u know what is the modelo "oss" of your sound card?
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<dmorar>
oss ?, no i dont, but i could get in using a live cd and then check it out, but i think this will give me an alsa module, ain't it?
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<bgomes>
dmorar: ltsp-4.2 by default use oss drive
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<dmorar>
i installed the alsa package
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<bgomes>
dmorar: I never instaled ltsp with alsa packages
11:52
dmorar: I think better u use oss packages, search for correct module for your sound card
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<dmorar>
where should i look?
11:52
<Gadi>
dmorar: sorry - im being torn away on something else
11:53
but your driver is fine
11:53
on your thin client
11:53
you are only stuck at gettint the applications to talk to the thin client's daemon
11:53
er, getting
11:53
ill be back a bit later ...
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<joebaker>
ogra: I'm installing Ubuntu Feisty Alpha 5 (Alternate install text mode) LTSP option - on a small test box with 64 megs of ram. Just to see it.
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<dmorar>
Gadi: np, i've been away too, anyway i'll be back in a while... thanks
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<ogra>
joebaker, please log bugs if you find any ... i susally only test edubuntu isos ...
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<cberl1>
Hi folks! Anyone done a hybrid ltsp-openmosix cluster?
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<bgomes>
dmorar: your sound is working?
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<bgomes>
IRCzito: hi
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<sbalneav>
hello!!
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<jammcq>
Scotty SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
13:29
<sbalneav>
hey!
13:29
<jammcq>
hmm, too many 'S's, it wraps funny
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<sbalneav>
Have to go figure out where they've got the doco.
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<joebaker>
ogra: Bugs would get reported at Launchpad on project ltsp? How is that lp_server going to get fixed?
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<plamengr>
Hi, sbalneav! Sorry for the bothering... How can I specify a Floppy as a Local Dev in LTSP5? The server is on Debian sid?
13:47
the CD and the USB work well as a LocalDev
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<sbalneav>
Well, I'm not sure on Debian, hmmm, lets see
13:50
What does your /etc/udev/rules.d/88-ltsp.rules file look like?
13:50
in your ltsp chroot?
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<plamengr>
# /etc/udev/rules.d/88-ltsp.rules
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ACTION=="add", KERNEL=="fd[0-9]", RUN+="add_fstab_entry %k auto"
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ACTION=="add", SUBSYSTEM=="block", RUN+="add_fstab_entry %k"
13:51
ACTION=="remove", SUBSYSTEM=="block", RUN+="remove_fstab_entry %k"
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<sbalneav>
Hmm
13:57
That should pick it up
13:58
Unless the kernel isn't recognizing it as fd[0-9].
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<sbalneav>
it isn't coming up as fd0a or something goofy like that, is it?
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<plamengr>
no, it's /dev/fd0
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<sbalneav>
On the client, if you do a console login on alt-f1, does it show up in /etc/fstab?
14:00
you'll need to set a root password to login
14:00
somehting like:
14:00
chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd root
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<plamengr>
it cathes USB, but not the Floppy
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ltsp:~# cat /etc/fstab
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/dev/root / unionfs defaults 0 0
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tmpfs /tmp tmpfs defaults,nosuid,nodev 0 0
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/dev/sda1 /var/run/drives/usbdisk-sda1 vfat defaults 0 0
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<bogor>
what is the minimum RAM requirement for a ltsp server serving 15 thin clients
14:10
they most use OO.org
14:10
they also use firefox a lot
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There is very little doc. in ltsp site
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<plamengr>
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/ServerSizing
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<bogor>
thanks plamengr
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<sbalneav>
Hm
14:15
do you have a /dev/fd0?
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<bogor>
no its disabled in all clients, cdrom also disabled(physically)
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<plamengr>
yes
14:16
ltsp:~# cd /dev/fd
14:16
fd/ fd0
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<bogor>
Any more good documentation links (Plz)
14:18
on setting up the ltsp server
14:18
which is the best distro?
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<plamengr>
look at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WebHome
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<IRCzito>
sbalneav: yesterday with aid of the Jim I placed ltsp5 to function in the Slackware11 using root-tree (ltsp_debian_etch_i386-1.tar.bz2). Not yet I made tests with the local devices, but looking at the colloquy above, I connected in house to look to the archive 88-ltsp.rules and evidenced that it does not exist.
14:38
sbalneav: Exists some script for creates it?
14:38
<sbalneav>
No, it should be there.
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<IRCzito>
I go try use another root-tree
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<IRCzito>
like ltsp_ubuntu_6.10_i386-2.tar.bz2
14:40
tanks
14:41
<bgomes>
IRCzito: why u dont make one root tree?
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<IRCzito>
bgomes: because you not confirmed the place and the date :D
14:47
bgomes: tomorrow??
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<dmorar>
im back
15:00
Gadi r u there?
15:01
IRCzito, bgomez told me you have a ltsp running on slackware system, would you help me to get sound running on clients?
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<IRCzito>
dmorar: ltsp5?
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<dmorar>
IRCzito: no, 4.2
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<IRCzito>
dmorar: ok
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<dmorar>
IRCzito: thanks
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<IRCzito>
you have SOUND = Y in your lts.conf?
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<dmorar>
yes i do...
15:10
i also downloaded the alsa package and now i can see my sound card if i do lspci
15:10
the problem is with esd on the server side (i guess)
15:10
when i try to run sound it says that can't connecto to the server
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<IRCzito>
humm
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<dmorar>
have you done this on slack?
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<IRCzito>
Yes, but I am not on the server now
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<dmorar>
mmm
15:15
ok
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<IRCzito>
I remember that a time I had that to edit the archive /opt/ltsp-4.2/i386/etc/rc.sound
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open this file
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<dmorar>
yeah, done that... the 1 & line?
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<dmorar>
/bin/esd -nobeeps -tcp -port 16001 -public -as 1 & -> this line?
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<IRCzito>
yeah
15:17
/bin/esd -nobeeps -tcp -port 16001 -public -as 1 &
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<dmorar>
ok...
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<IRCzito>
I do not remember right what I made, I am looking at bash_history to see if I can help
15:22
I add . /etc/ltsp-sound.sh on the end of /etc/profile
15:23
you made this?
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<dmorar>
i have /etc/profile.d/ltsp-sound.sh , i think i might have a mistake on this shell tough
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DOMAIN=`dnsdomainname`
15:24
MYNAME=`echo $DISPLAY | cut -d: -f1 | sed s/\\\.${DOMAIN}//`
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<dmorar>
what value should have DOMAIN?
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<IRCzito>
I'm on slow connection :(
15:27
DOMAIN=`dnsdomainname`
15:27
MYNAME=`echo $DISPLAY | cut -d: -f1 | sed s/\\\.${DOMAIN}//`
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<dmorar>
is `dnsdomainname` right?
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<IRCzito>
I did not need changes it to function the sound
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<dmorar>
ok
15:31
ok...
15:31
where i should look next?
15:31
maybe esd is not running, do you had to compile something on kernel, i dont know if i need to compile arts?
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<IRCzito>
I remember that I used some command to make the test in the terminal
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<IRCzito>
i don't know, the bgomes compile the kernel of this machine, i go see this under make menuconfig :D
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<IRCzito>
dmorar: you have any terminal which "SCREEN_0? = shell"?
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<dmorar>
yes
15:45
i do
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<IRCzito>
what it happens if to try: /bin/esdplay /etc/silent.wav on this shell
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<dmorar>
on screen_02?
15:46
<IRCzito>
yes on shell of the terminal
15:47
<dmorar>
cannot fin card '0'
15:47
so its something with the module?
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<IRCzito>
I do not know, what's the card?
15:49
<dmorar>
intel ich4 ac '97
15:50
82801db
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<IRCzito>
SMODULE_01= (module) tells which driver to use (if it's not auto-detected)
15:50
on lts.conf
15:50
<dmorar>
ok, how do i know which dirver to use?
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<IRCzito>
I don't know, i go find on google :D
15:51
<dmorar>
ok, lemme see
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<mistik1>
just enable a shell on your terminal and load different drivers
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<dmorar>
should i use " "
15:55
mistik1: using modprobe?
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<IRCzito>
dmorar: this is the card: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio ??
15:56
<dmorar>
yes
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<IRCzito>
dmorar: try add SMODULE_01 = snd_intel8x0, and reboot the terminal
15:58
<dmorar>
ok i loaded the driver using modprobe and snd-intel8x0, now when i do /bin/esdplay /etc/silent.wav i hear nothing...
15:58
and no message
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<IRCzito>
I think its work now
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<dmorar>
how can i check?
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<IRCzito>
try configure xmms to play music which esd server
16:04
or copy some file .wav to /opt/ltsp-4.2/ and try play it which '/bin/esdplay file.wav' on the shell of ther terminal
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<dmorar>
if i try to setup kde control center it states: cannot connect with the server...
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<IRCzito>
hummmm, i don't use kde... try it with xmms first just to see if it will work
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<dmorar>
nothing happens with esdplay
16:13
i don't have mms
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xmms
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<IRCzito>
dmorar: I have go home now
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<dmorar>
ok, thanks IRCzito...
16:14
:(
16:14
<IRCzito>
dmorar: I go back :D
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<dmorar>
:)
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<IRCzito>
wait
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<dmorar>
ok, thanks
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<dmorar>
Hi
16:21
IRCzito?
16:24
OK, XMMS HAS SOUND!!
16:24
but kde doesn't
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<dmorar>
hello, can anyone help me?, i can play files in xmms, but arts can't start esd
16:28
sound server fatal error: write failure
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<bgomes>
dmorar: He goes to home at this time
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<dmorar>
ohh ic
16:29
ok
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<bgomes>
dmorar: u sound is working in terminal (local)
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<Cpoc>
Hello
17:29
brb
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<monteslu>
any ever have ltspinfo hang upon starting a new konsole tab?
18:04
<cliebow__>
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<MrChicken>
Hello
18:22
I'm trying to get audio working on my system
18:22
<mathesis>
hi MrChicken
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<MrChicken>
when I boot I get the luscd loaded message
18:23
but inside X I cant get the sound to work :(
18:23
can anybody help me out please?
18:34
Anybody?
18:34
sorry wasnt lusc it was lbuscd
18:34
I see the drivers beeing loaded
18:34
I just cant get X to give me sound
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(At all)
18:38
Hellooooo?
18:38
<bgomes>
MrChicken: HELLO
18:38
MrChicken: w is u problem?
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<MrChicken>
bgomes cant get sound working under X
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<IRCzito_home>
somebody is using ltsp5 with local devices here? It wanted to take off doubts
18:51
MrChicken: the sound it's ok under shell of the clients?? Ex: SCREEN_0? = shell ???
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<MrChicken>
IRCzito ... Dunno, I know the sound module loads
18:52
cuz I see it detects it
18:52
how can I test command line sound?
18:57
lo?
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<IRCzito_home>
MrChicken: /bin/esdplay /etc/silent.wav
19:00
under shell of the terminal
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<MrChicken>
well it gives me no errors
19:01
no sound bt no error
19:03
IRCzito... there is this guy SH4[something] thats running ltsp5 with localdev... he's here usually in the moring
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say 7 - 8 hours ago
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<bgomes>
MrChicken: do u have a /dev/dsp on terminal?
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<MrChicken>
no
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<bgomes>
MrChicken: the sound module automatic load, or u force to load on lts.conf ?
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<MrChicken>
auto
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<IRCzito_home>
/bin/esdplay /etc/silent.wav no errors?? I think thats all ok
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<MrChicken>
I just say SOUND = Y and SOUND_DAEMON = ess
19:08
esd sorry
19:08
esd
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<bgomes>
IRCzito_home: but he dont have /dev/dsp, who is possible?
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<IRCzito_home>
copy other file .wav to /opt/lts-4.2 then try /bin/esdplay /etc/file.wav
19:09
<bgomes>
MrChicken: what is your ltsp version?
19:10
MrChicken: and your linux dist ?
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<IRCzito_home>
maybe he have /dev/snd/dsp
19:11
<bgomes>
IRCzito_home: ele disse que não tem
19:12
<IRCzito_home>
bgomes: vou tomar um banho :D
19:12
<bgomes>
IRCzito_home: como tá o processo dos dispositivos locais ?
19:12
<IRCzito_home>
bgomes: no console do terminal funcionam :D
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<bgomes>
(21:01:59) bgomes: MrChicken: do u have a /dev/dsp on terminal?
19:12
(21:03:35) MrChicken: no
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IRCzito_home: vc tem fuse, todas aquelas coisas?
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<bgomes>
IRCzito_home: tb aquele script q tem q colocar no x para redirecionar as chamadas para o servidor
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<IRCzito_home>
tem fuse sim
19:16
acabei de instalar
19:17
Vou ali tomar um banho
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:D
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<IRCzito_home>
jammcq: Can you help me? I try use cdrom, flopy and removable devices under ltsp5, the devices appear in /etc/fstab of th terminal, but not in the X
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<IRCzito_home>
bgomes: I can use devices under ltsp5 which comand line: ltspfs ws008.ltsp:/tmp/drives $HOME/foo :D it's work :D
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<IRCzito_home>
how can I umont device in ltspfs??
21:13
somebody?
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<vagrantc>
eject it?
21:15
might also be able to use fusermount -u
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<IRCzito_home>
vagrantc: thanks :D
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<bgomes>
IRCzito_home: u are here?
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<IRCzito_home>
yes
21:32
I can use de removable devices when I mount in the gnome-terminal :D
21:32
<bgomes>
IRCzito_home: How is the ltsp local device?
21:33
IRCzito_home: but dont auto mount?
21:35
<IRCzito_home>
cdrom... flopy and my Kingston :D
21:35
yeah ... don't automont and don't show icon for devices
21:36
for test, I make dir and moutn device on this dir
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<vagrantc>
do the devices show up in /media/USER/* ?
21:36
what distro?
21:37
<IRCzito_home>
vagrantc: Slackware11 + ubuntu_6.10_i386 root-tree
21:37
<vagrantc>
have you build the ltspfs packages for slackware?
21:37
<IRCzito_home>
yeah
21:38
<vagrantc>
from which sources?
21:38
<IRCzito_home>
i can mount the device wich ltspfs ws008.ltsp:/tmp/drives $HOME/foo
21:38
yes from the sources
21:39
<vagrantc>
from which sources?
21:40
<bgomes>
IRCzito_home: I am reading about http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LocalMedia for help u
21:47
<IRCzito_home>
bgomes: maybe I need lbus look this http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspFSAutomount
21:49
<bgomes>
IRCzito_home: did u need use fuse on ltsp-5?
21:50
<IRCzito_home>
vagrantc: you know if necessary of lbus_event_handler.sh in ltsp5?
21:50* vagrantc refuses to help until questions are answered
21:51
<bgomes>
IRCzito_home: this is very old "LtspFSAutomount"
21:51
<IRCzito_home>
hummm
21:52
<bgomes>
IRCzito_home: I think dont is necessary
21:52
<vagrantc>
IRCzito_home: from which sources did you compile ltspfs?
21:52
<IRCzito_home>
yes
21:53
<bgomes>
IRCzito_home: do u insert in gdm all script post login?
21:55
<IRCzito_home>
vagrantc: from cvs: cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.ltsp.org:/usr/local/cvsroot checkout ltspfs
21:55
<vagrantc>
IRCzito_home: you should probably grab the ltspfs sources from ubuntu if you're using an ubuntu ltsp5
21:56
<IRCzito_home>
bgomes: I do not make changes on gdm post login
21:56
but the ltsp5 do not use gdm
21:56
<bgomes>
IRCzito_home: why not?
21:58
<IRCzito_home>
sorry
21:58
Im confused, not use XDMCP
21:58
<bgomes>
IRCzito_home: does the ltspfs working in ltsp-5 with samba?
21:58
<vagrantc>
bgomes: not at all.
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<vagrantc>
ltspfs is fuse based
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<vagrantc>
and the ubuntu/debian code currently only works with LDM for a display manager
21:59
<bgomes>
IRCzito_home: what is this in wiki "konqueror smb://`echo $DISPLAY | cut -f 1 -d ':'`/drives/floppy" ?
21:59
vagrantc:
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<vagrantc>
bgomes: that's for older versions of ltsp
22:00
<bgomes>
vagrantc: the wiki need reorganize :D
22:01
<vagrantc>
there are some growing pains while we transition to ltsp5
22:01
also, there is probably some redundant documentation on the wiki, only some of which gets updated.
22:01
i think with ltsp5, each distro will probably need to maintain it's own wiki pages.
22:02
<IRCzito_home>
to fix this I can make bash under profile of the user to mount devices under terminal, but i think already exists some script to do this
22:02
<bgomes>
av
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<IRCzito_home>
I want know which
22:03
<vagrantc>
IRCzito_home: you should build ltspfs from the same sources that ltspfsd in the chroot are built from.
22:03
<bgomes>
vagrantc: there are many diff of ltsp5 and olders version
22:03
<vagrantc>
bgomes: yes. it is a different concept.
22:04
bgomes: it is the transition from "LTSP as another linux distribution" to "LTSP is a specification of features to be implemented within existing linux distributions"
22:05
<IRCzito_home>
but I think this is not a problem, because I can mount manually
22:06
<vagrantc>
IRCzito_home: but if you built it from the proper sources, it would happen automatically.
22:06
IRCzito_home: but if you would rather mount it manually, go ahead.
22:06
<IRCzito_home>
bgomes: look http://www.ubuntulinux.se/node/1496
22:07
<bgomes>
where are the ltsp5 front page on the wiki?
22:09
<vagrantc>
!ltsp5
22:09
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "ltsp5" is ltsp5 is The next version of LTSP, and the future of Thin Client computing on GNU/Linux. http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5
22:11
<bgomes>
this is it?
22:11
<vagrantc>
no, that's just one page.
22:11
there's also
22:11
!tarball
22:11
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "tarball" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5TarballInstructions
22:11
<vagrantc>
!integration
22:11
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "integration" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/IntegratingLtsp
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<vagrantc>
there's only two existing implementations, as far as i know- ubuntu and debian
22:12
both of which are quite similar.
22:14
<bgomes>
I am reading all
22:18
<IRCzito_home>
bgomes: look https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnableLTSP5LocalDevices I need enable the users to have access local devices
22:18
but where
22:19
<vagrantc>
IRCzito_home: give them permission to read and write to /dev/fuse
22:20
IRCzito_home: on debian/ubunut, this is done by creating a group "fuse" and making /dev/fuse group fuse, with read-write permissions
22:20
<IRCzito_home>
vagrantc: thanks
22:20
<bgomes>
IRCzito_home: very good this pages
22:23
IRCzito_home: does change permissiom solve the problem?
22:26
<IRCzito_home>
wath permissiom?
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<bgomes>
IRCzito_home: change permission from drive folder on server
22:30
IRCzito_home: when u mount form console, what user u do it?
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<vagrantc>
IRCzito_home: ls -l /dev/fuse
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<MrChicken>
Hello
22:32
has anybody ever tried to boot ltsp from a VPN (IE OpenVPN)?
22:33
<IRCzito_home>
vagrantc: on the server or on the shell of the terminal?
22:33
terry@dragon:~$ ls -l /dev/fuse
22:33
crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 10, 229 2007-03-16 20:20 /dev/fuse
22:33
vagrantc: this is on the server
22:34
this not exist on the terminal
22:34
<vagrantc>
yes.
22:35
so, you shouldn't have to add any users, as all users have read-write access to /dev/fuse
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<IRCzito_home>
bgomes: I go sleep tomorrow I continue
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<bgomes>
IRCzito_home: ok
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