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Channel log from 27 June 2008   (all times are UTC)

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01:48
<epoxy|w3rk>
i cant seem to get Firefox to load up locallly.. any suggestions or links?
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06:08
<ogra>
Q-FUNK, can you remind me what was the actul reason for dropping the symlink ? you didnt give any explanation in your reply
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06:12
<Q-FUNK>
ogra: it was discussed in a number of other bugs. it confuses X because 2 drivers claim the same chipsets.
06:12
the real driver and the one found via the symbolic link.
06:13
everyone's insistence on keeping the symbolic link is what has been messing this update pretty bad.
06:13
it was also discussed live on IRC, with bryce, slangasek and yourself being present.
06:14
by now, it reall ought to be understood.
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<Q-FUNK>
bryce's idea of "keeping it for LTSP" is exactly the opposite of what's needed.
06:16
keeping the symbolic link is a graranteed way to ensure that nothing will be fixed!
06:19
<ogra>
can you comment on the actual SRU bug or put a pointer in to the bug that has this info ?
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06:24
<Q-FUNK>
done
06:24
and I really hope thagt people will listen, now. I'm getting really tired of repeating the same explanations all over again and of seeing people ignore parts of it and introduce more breakages as a result.
06:24
<ogra>
thanx ...
06:25
well, you didnt give any explanation
06:25
<Q-FUNK>
this issue has been discussed over several bugs and abundantly documented in changelogs.
06:25
<ogra>
"NO! Deploying without removing the symbolic link is exactly what we want
06:25
to avoid. The symbolic link MUST GO." is not a really helpful coment without any pointer to the reasons ...
06:26
<Q-FUNK>
it was previously discussed.
06:26
I'm not gonna repeat myself.
06:26
<ogra>
right, but for the SRU only this bug counts
06:26
<Q-FUNK>
and the changelogs explain why too.
06:26
<ogra>
because thats the one that will show up in the changelog so users will look at it for detailed info
06:27
<Q-FUNK>
right, becuase the SRU was botched the first time, as a result of people not listening to what I said.
06:28
I'm entirely in favor of documenting issues and fixes, but this whole hair splitting involved in producing an SRU is really getting on my nerves.
06:28
especially the part about people somehow deciding that it's ok to drop part of the fix, without even understanding what the issue was.
06:30
droping part of the fix is the best way to end up fixing nothing. it has to stop.
06:30
<ogra>
well, then there is a communication problem here with either the explanation not being understandable fully or people being dense in nderstanding it
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<Q-FUNK>
people jumping from one bug to the next and not understanding why 3 packages must be changed to fix it is the real issue.
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06:31
<ogra>
i think we have a bit of both involved ... and the personal probs between you and steve dont really help either ....
06:31
<Q-FUNK>
well, stve was quite reasonable the other night, actually
06:31
<ogra>
yeah, he was
06:32
<Q-FUNK>
but with so many bugs to keep track of, nobody has the time to fully digest the solution onless the fix is a 2-line diff
06:32
<ogra>
but he doesnt understand X ... bryce understands X and actually understood your changes well, but doesnt take Xorg -configure into account indeed
06:32
<johnny>
ogra, i'm going to finally get a chance to test your fixes tomorrow night
06:32
any good updates on that from others?
06:32
<ogra>
which is iirc the reason for droppinf the link
06:32
johnny, ltsp is through, we'Re only fighting for the geode X stuff atm
06:33
<Q-FUNK>
bryce understands it well, but didn't have enough time to sit down and analyze my proposed fix until now.
06:33
<johnny>
well i heard others had problems with floppies not disappearing, even after the fixes
06:34
<Q-FUNK>
the whole idea of SRU is nice, but only as long as people have the time to triage bugs and analyze the proposed fix. if there's too many bugs to triage or if the solution is too coomplex to grasp with something as simple as a 2-line diff, it gets skipped.
06:34
<ogra>
well, the solution boils down to a 50 line change now that bryce went over it
06:35
(including the changelog entriy)
06:35
<Q-FUNK>
spread over 3 source packages, which is what made it too complex to analyze within a short 2 minute reading of the issue.
06:35
<ogra>
so i dont think we'll run into probs with that
06:35
<Q-FUNK>
what got installed into proposed last night looks good to me
06:36
<ogra>
apart from the symlink ?
06:36
<Q-FUNK>
except for that incorrect nsc version for the Conflicts in geode
06:36
and the symlink, which really has to go
06:38
actually, the symbolic link is not there
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06:38
<ogra>
??
06:41* ogra goes looking at the changelog
06:41
<ogra>
* xserver-xorg-video-geode.links:
06:41
+ Removed the transitional symbolic links for amd_drv.so
06:41
well, thats exactly what its supposed to do, no ?
06:42
-amd is an empty package anyway, and the chips should be catched by the pci ids now
06:42
so its all fine, no ?
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<Q-FUNK>
yes, it should be good
06:45
<ogra>
phew, ok
06:45
<Q-FUNK>
in the bug, he was talking about re-introducing the link
06:46
which is a big no-no
06:46
<ogra>
but not in the changelog ... luckily
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08:10
<epoxy|w3rk>
i'm trying to run some local apps (especially Firefox!) and can't seem to wrap my head around it yet. I have read a few guides that require NIS+.. do i really need it?
08:11
since i have local users on the box?
08:11
<ogra>
there is no working localapps implementaion for ltsp5 yet
08:11
so you have to come up with something yourself
08:12
or wait two monts :) we're planning to attach that during the hackfest next month
08:12
*attack
08:12
<epoxy|w3rk>
ah.. how can i find out what version i have? the deb package is .99 .. but that is their scheming
08:13
hehe, well good :) can't wait
08:13
<ogra>
.99 is really ancient ... i'D propose to use the backports (assuming you use debian there which the version indicates)
08:13
<epoxy|w3rk>
that was via backports
08:13
<ogra>
oh
08:13
that should be something with 5.0.xxx
08:15
<epoxy|w3rk>
/exec -o dpkg -l|grep ltsp
08:15
ii ltsp-server 0.99debian11+etch1 Basic LTSP server environment
08:15
ii ltsp-server-standalone 0.99debian11+etch1 Complete LTSP server environment
08:15
<ogra>
i bumped the version in ubuntu to 5.x shortly after the etch release, debian pulled that in very quickly so i would expect all backports to be a 5.x version
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08:15
<ogra>
apt-cache madison ltsp-server
08:16
should tell you the archive it comes from
08:16
<epoxy|w3rk>
http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=ltsp&searchon=names&suite=stable&section=all
08:16* ogra cant imagine vagrant still used the .99 versions for backports
08:17
<epoxy|w3rk>
apt-cache madison ltsp-server == blank? juust run in the the shell?
08:17
<ogra>
yes
08:17
it should list the urls of the archives ur system knows ltsp-server from
08:18
with the used one at the top
08:18
(so backport should be listed first)
08:18
<epoxy|w3rk>
http://pastebin.com/m3ebf0923 no output
08:19
<ogra>
weird
08:19
did you follow the debian docs ?
08:19
!debian
08:19
<epoxy|w3rk>
yeah..it doesnt seem to be workin gon any package :)
08:19
<ltspbot>
ogra: "debian" is is a GNU/Linux based operating system that makes an excellent LTSP server. You can find it at http://www.debian.org. for information about LTSP on debian see http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP
08:19
<ogra>
the latter link especially
08:19
<epoxy|w3rk>
yes..i have it working pretty well.
08:20
<ogra>
well, then i have no idea ... i only do ubuntu and would actually expect debian to follow our versioning if they import the package from us
08:20
<epoxy|w3rk>
all i have is a blank fluxbox desktop at the moment.. i boot, get off the default boot screen with GUI, login as a user i created via chroot, startx
08:20
<ogra>
so best might be to wait for vagrantc and ask him what the actual version is your backport derives from
08:21
<epoxy|w3rk>
what a PITA hehe
08:21
<ogra>
well ...
08:22
you are doing non standard stuff there ... thats always problematic
08:22
we ususally dont have users in the client env (even root is locked) and usually all session stuff runs on the server
08:22
only through ldm
08:24
<epoxy|w3rk>
ah.. i'm trying to find more documentation, but what i find isn't verbose about these things
08:24
<ogra>
http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/edubuntu/handbook/C/ might currently be the best resource for ltsp5
08:24
but doesnt go much under the hood
08:24
<epoxy|w3rk>
pretty green ATM... only have about 6 hours exp last night
08:25
so.. it is SUPPOSED to only run X remotely? Can i still access all my devices on the client box? i need to have access to a few parallel and serial devices
08:26
on a per client basis
08:26
<ogra>
wel, on boot the client pulls its root squashfs via nbd, does a unionfs mount of that and starts up ldm ... ldm acts like a graphical ssh client and does something similar to: ssh -X user@server /etc/X11/Xsession
08:26
oh, forget about the nbd/squashfs part, i think debian still uses nfs there
08:27
but beyond that its similar
08:27
<epoxy|w3rk>
hm. i have /usr/opt *(ro,no_root_squash,async,no_subtree_check)
08:27
in /etc/exports ? and i have seen ndb in init
08:27
hmm.
08:27
<ogra>
debian only uses the nbd swap pieces
08:28
but not root on nbd/squashfs
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<epoxy|w3rk>
well shit
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<ogra>
vagrant is your best ressource here, just wait until he's around
08:34
<epoxy|w3rk>
i'm just confused about hoiw everything is SUPPOSED to work. all the guides i was reading last night said chroot and create users blah blah blah
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<epoxy|w3rk>
to a chrooted, created users, and added apps as usual. all seemed to be fine until i try to fun firefox
08:34
s/fun/run
08:35
<ogra>
no, desktop sessions are supposed to run on the server
08:35
for localapps ymmv
08:36
<epoxy|w3rk>
and that is the GUI that pops up at boot, correct? that is on the server?
08:36
or is it on the server -after- auth?
08:36
<ogra>
you will somehow need to know the credentials of the user in your chroot, you ned some way to execute the app remotely from the desktop session and indeed you need the users homedir and connection to all the running backend apps
08:37
after auth
08:37
<epoxy|w3rk>
ah.. that is why i started doing stuff as the user.. i couldn't figure out how to auth there and couldn't find any documentation for the life of me
08:37
<ogra>
i.e. running firefox with the gnome-support packages (not sure debian has that) would require a connection to the gconf daemon running in the users session on the server
08:38
well, we will likely have a mechanism in ldm that just pulls that nfo from the server during login
08:39
then dynamically mount the homedir via sshfs
08:39
<epoxy|w3rk>
for now.. would NIS+ be the route to take to add users?
08:39
(so i can login via the GUI that pops up)
08:39
<ogra>
you would need a nis client inside the chroot nd a nis server on the server
08:40
<epoxy|w3rk>
k
08:40
<ogra>
but thats only one small piece of the puzzle
08:40
<epoxy|w3rk>
ah.
08:40
<ogra>
and willdefinately be different from what we'll implement
08:40* epoxy|w3rk sighs
08:41
<epoxy|w3rk>
this is near perfect for what we need
08:41
if it would work
08:41
<ogra>
well, NIS is dead since years and has massive security issues ... i doubt that what you *need* :)
08:42
<epoxy|w3rk>
haha.. i'm talking about ltsp though
08:42
<ogra>
??
08:42
<epoxy|w3rk>
ltsp is what i need
08:42
<ogra>
ah
08:44
<epoxy|w3rk>
we have a central database server with X amount of work stations that only need to run X (had it running Fluxbox) and firefox with some plugins. the browser just runs an app on a local server andinterfaces with a database server
08:44
<ogra>
so a kiosk setup
08:44
<epoxy|w3rk>
the workstations are the net boot... but the workstations also have a few parallel and serial devices that are connected per workstation
08:45
pretty much
08:45
<ogra>
ubuntu has that as option
08:45
<epoxy|w3rk>
that is 1/3 of the equation at least :)
08:45
<ogra>
if you use --kiosk with ltsp-build-client it will install firefox in the chroot and runn that fullscreen with autologin
08:46
i dont think debian has ever pulled that code though ... (and it would require some changes since they dont have all the packages available we use in there)
08:48
<epoxy|w3rk>
hm. maybe that is the route i need to go. we are using an old knoppix image via ltsp just fine. runs KDE and everything. not sure of the setup or how it works though
08:48* ogra neither
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08:49
<epoxy|w3rk>
the kiosk idea would be great.. another part of the equation is another setup where users have their own login with a respective home dir. we want to use these for the peple that work there and record data. give them a desktop with email, web browser, open office, and that's it
08:50
Ubuntu would be better suited for this as well?
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09:01
<ogra>
as good as debian i think
09:02
you need to cut down the desktop, apply locing so users dont do tasks they are not allowed to etc ... thats the same on both
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<epoxy|w3rk>
hm, alrighty. i guess i just need tofigure out how to get users created and logged on.. and run some apps
09:10
<chrisjrob>
ogra, sorry to butt in, saw the posting about etch-backports which is indeed version 0.99 - but http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto recommends "deb http://pkg-ltsp.alioth.debian.org/debian etch-ltsp-backports main" which is version 5.1.3-1.
09:11
<ogra>
right, thats why i was wondering
09:12* epoxy|w3rk installs
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09:16
<epoxy|w3rk>
dpkg -l|grep ltsp-server
09:16
ii ltsp-server 5.1.3-1~40.etch.0 basic LTSP server environment
09:16
ii ltsp-server-standalone 5.1.3-1~40.etch.0 complete LTSP server environment
09:16
much better
09:16
i skipped over that last night
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10:37
<epoxy|w3rk>
ah.. ltsp 5 is much different then the .99 i was using on debian :)
10:37
just got it up.. no X or anything though
10:37* epoxy|w3rk reads
10:39
<epoxy|w3rk>
and i run update image, but i did not install the image in /opt/ltsp/i386 ... how can i get it to look somewhere else? man page doesnt tell
10:39
lyle:/home/lyle/Desktop# ltsp-update-image
10:39
Error: chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 doesn't exist.
10:39
would it be save to sym link it?
10:43
<alkisg>
epoxy|w3rk, did you do ltsp-build-client first?
10:44
<epoxy|w3rk>
yes
10:44
did the backports install off of http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto
10:45
i put the files in /usr/opt
10:46
<alkisg>
So I guess you'll have to do ltsp-update-image --base /usr/opt
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<epoxy|w3rk>
i tried that
10:47
lyle:/etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d# ltsp-update-image --base /usr/opt/
10:47
chroot: cannot change root directory to /opt/ltsp/i386: No such file or directory
10:48
<alkisg>
Well, where did ltsp-build-client put the i386 directory?
10:48
<epoxy|w3rk>
is it hardcoded in ?
10:48
i put it in /usr/opt
10:48
<vagrantc>
there was some hard-coding in ltsp-update-image
10:49
that ogra recently fixed
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<epoxy|w3rk>
ltsp-build-client --extra-mirror "http://pkg-ltsp.alioth.debian.org/debian etch-ltsp-backports main" \ --apt-key /etc/apt/trusted.gpg --base /usr/opt
10:49
<ogra>
vagrantc, http://wiki.debian.org/EmdebianWorkSessionExtremadura2008 do you have plans to go there ?
10:50
<alkisg>
epoxy|w3rk, a quick hack would be to edit ltsp-update-image and hardcode your new base...
10:50
<vagrantc>
ogra: no plans, really. are there meetings other than emdebian?
10:50
<ogra>
doesnt look like
10:51
<epoxy|w3rk>
ah ok.. i thought it was a binary. i'll try that
10:51* vagrantc felt very, very well taken care of on the last trip to extremadura
10:51
<ogra>
but since there is this big deban project i bet there will be some of the ltsp users as well
10:51
<vagrantc>
ogra: extremadura is ROCKING with the LTSP
10:51
<epoxy|w3rk>
ahhh... it's --basedir
10:52
shouldn't it be --base to stay constistant? :)
10:52
<alkisg>
See below, at least in ubuntu hardy it's -b or --base
10:52
Just the usage is wrong
10:54
<epoxy|w3rk>
ah i see now.. weird. ether way it wont take the argument for some reason. i'll throw it in the script
10:54
<alkisg>
I think you have to provide /usr/opt/ltsp as a parameter, not just /usr/opt
10:55
<vagrantc>
we need to do some commandline option consistancy stuff
10:56
getting some common code to handle things like "where's the LTSP chroot(s)"
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<epoxy|w3rk>
alkisg, hard coding it didnt spit any errors.
10:59
<alkisg>
I guess it's ok then...
10:59
<ogra>
vagrantc, cool
11:00
vagrantc, did they ever get the self knitted localdev stuff running ?
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11:00
<vagrantc>
ogra: possibly.
11:00
ogra: but not sure.
11:00
ogra: ask itais the next time they're around
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11:01
<ogra>
well, if we're good he can have something after the hackfest ;)
11:01
<vagrantc>
indeed.
11:01
<ogra>
i booked my flight btw, but havent heard back from the travel agent yet
11:01
i'll be in boston before
11:06
<Gadi>
should we start working on an agenda for hackfest?
11:07
<ogra>
localapps
11:07
<Gadi>
ok....
11:07
<ogra>
good food ...
11:07
<Gadi>
:)
11:07
<ogra>
beer
11:07
or wine
11:07
fun
11:07
<vagrantc>
sounds pretty good.
11:07
<Gadi>
I think ldm should be on the list
11:08
<vagrantc>
i'm thinking we should also be exploring code cleanup as a major topic ...
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<ogra>
i hope to have the session handling odne before the hackfest ... and i guess warren plans to have the keyboard stuff done
11:08
<vagrantc>
i.e. consistant commandline options across ltsp-* commands
11:08
<cliebow>
ragnar's Scotch??
11:08
<Gadi>
DEFINITELY rangar's scotch
11:08
<ogra>
Gadi, what else would you want from ldm
11:08
<Gadi>
:D
11:08
<ogra>
!!!!
11:08
<ltspbot>
ogra: Error: "!!!" is not a valid command.
11:08
<cliebow>
glad i stayed out of that ;-]
11:08
<ogra>
rangar's scotch !!!!
11:09
<cliebow>
heheh
11:09
<ogra>
yummy
11:09
vagrantc, there shouldnt be much left though
11:09
<cliebow>
a little Highland Park from Orkney...but they send most of that to Taiwan
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11:09
<Gadi>
I think we should go over ldm from an architectural point of view again, compare it with features from other dms that are useful, make it easier to integrate simple dialogs for feedback and such
11:10
<vagrantc>
i should really include ltsp-chroot in my next upload to debian.
11:10
Gadi: sounds good.
11:10
<ogra>
Gadi, .dmrc would probably be a good poit
11:10
*point
11:10* Gadi nods
11:10
<ogra>
gdm just got it again in the new reelase ... kdm has it forever ...
11:10* cliebow ogra must be on teeny keyboard again
11:11
<ogra>
nope
11:11
<cliebow>
that is my excuse
11:11
<ogra>
new laptop :)
11:11
<Gadi>
I often feel like when I log into ldm, I don't know what to expect... and when it fails, I don't easily know why
11:11
:)
11:11
<ogra>
(is mine)
11:11
so better error messages ?
11:11
<Gadi>
better dialogs
11:11
to enable better feedback
11:12
<ogra>
do you know a usability expert we could invite ? ;)
11:12
<vagrantc>
like a little mascot that pops up and confirms your every action!
11:12
<ogra>
yay
11:12
a small NIC with hands and feet :)
11:13
<vagrantc>
we need a mascot discussion at the hackfest ... sounds like ogra already has a proposal.
11:13
<ogra>
lol
11:14
<Gadi>
heh
11:14
I think we can pull ideas from other dms and from things like NX's login
11:14
for example, NX has a details button that displays the log
11:14
we could easily do the same with ldm.log
11:15
instead of "log into the console...."
11:15
:)
11:15
<ogra>
there is that usability tester that just got jobless today
11:15
http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft/archives/141821.asp
11:15
but he has not much linux experience
11:16
<Gadi>
ogra: don't you have ldm users that complain?
11:16
:)
11:16
I think we have a whole community of ldm usability testers
11:16
:D
11:16
<ogra>
not really, i have a bunch of whshlist bugs i could dump in
11:17
<Gadi>
well, I think NX login is a good model - as they, in effect, do what ldm does
11:17
presumably, they had usability testing
11:18* ogra wants their compression algo....
11:18* ogra doesnt care about their usability :P
11:18
<alkisg>
newbie user opinion: 2-3 customizeable menu items in ldm would be very handy... either log view, rdesktop or whatever the local admin wants...
11:18* Gadi rolls eyes at the cool reminder that he is amongst developers
11:18
<ogra>
imagine if anyone every manages to copy their compression on standard ssh
11:19* ogra is joking indeed, lets have a deep look at all DMs
11:19
<Gadi>
their compression is X compression not packet compression
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11:20
<ogra>
well we have compression libs on both sides of the system ... just need to route the stream through ...
11:21
<Gadi>
do they still rely on their own x server?
11:21
<ogra>
worse, xlibs
11:21
<Gadi>
ah
11:28
<epoxy|w3rk>
ogra, very awesome project BTW... very good job
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<epoxy|w3rk>
.. reguardless of my lack of "getting it" :)
11:29
<laga>
what? laid?
11:29
scnr ;)
11:32* epoxy|w3rk hopes he can help out somewhere down the line
11:33
<ogra>
for sure !
11:33
:)
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11:35
<epoxy|w3rk>
bleh 4 cups of coffee make one feel like poo
11:35
in a jittery euphoric sort of way
11:35
<laga>
that's why i don't consume caffeine anymore at all :)
11:36* ogra usually has 4 pots of coffee over a day
11:36
<ogra>
(or more)
11:36
and i only get tired :/
11:37
<epoxy|w3rk>
that's like my boss! he turns the pot off when its done and drinks it all day. he fills the filter completely up and drinks it dark with nothing in it
11:37
<ogra>
yeah sugar and milk are for sissies
11:37
<laga>
ogra: switch to decaf, then go for espresso
11:37
<ogra>
laga, i do espresso ...
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11:38
<laga>
heh
11:38
<ogra>
in a big bodum pot ...
11:38
<laga>
i've found that sports are great for waking me up
11:38
<epoxy|w3rk>
watching them or doing thjem
11:38
<ogra>
uh ... moving in the morning ....
11:38
<laga>
ogra: yeah, right. that's not good.
11:38
epoxy|w3rk: doing. ;)
11:39
<ogra>
which reminds me on my handmower ... about time again ...
11:39* ogra goes to mow the lawn
11:39
<ogra>
to have some movement ...
11:40
<epoxy|w3rk>
ogra, didn't you say you were going to be iun boston? are you on the east coast?
11:40
<ogra>
i'm in germany
11:40
<epoxy|w3rk>
haha
11:40
<ogra>
but have a canonical dev sprint in boston from 13th to 19th ...
11:41
and then the hackfest in portland from 24th to 28th
11:41
<epoxy|w3rk>
no HOPE / DEFCON? :)
11:41
<cliebow>
next month?
11:41
<ogra>
yep
11:41
<cliebow>
tell mark s he needs another meal at islesford dock..
11:42* ogra is happy he got around going to shanghai from 1st to 10th ...
11:42
<cliebow>
i know his significant other was there a couple years ago..islesford that is
11:43
<ogra>
cliebow, mark will be in london, we started doing sprints by tasks now, the company gets to big to do it in one place and i'm on the mobile track
11:43
<cliebow>
i see
11:43
whsat is your task these days?
11:43
<ogra>
(which likely means i'll be in boston more often in the future)
11:44
beyond my usual distro work, edubuntu and ltsp its now netbooks
11:44
edubuntu turned pretty much into an applist over the last two releases (since its only an addon CD now) so i dont have much work with it anymore
11:45
ltsp is maintained inside ubuntu now and can theoretically be maintained by the distro team (not that anybody would though, still my task :) )
11:46
so i'm drifting a bit into the mobile and netbook corner
11:52
<cliebow>
i see..must be kind of unnerving..
11:53
<ogra>
they have the cooler gadgets :)
11:56
and i'm actually happy to do new stuff from time to time, so its not that bad
11:56
<cliebow>
yeah..
12:05
<chrisjrob>
i guess this gets asked regularly - but is the debian etch ldm white background bug (if it is a bug) likely to be fixed?
12:05
<vagrantc>
chrisjrob: nope
12:06
<chrisjrob>
thanks vagrantc - at least i know!
12:06
<vagrantc>
chrisjrob: unless someone comes up with a patch, or figures out what's actually broken
12:06
chrisjrob: you're away of http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto ?
12:06
chrisjrob: i keep the known issues updated there.
12:06
<chrisjrob>
yes, saw that - hoped there might hav ebeen some m,ovement since!
12:07
I'll keep an eye on that page. - thanks.
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<vagrantc>
chrisjrob: i probably won't do any more backporting of ltsp stuff until lenny hits freeze. more important to get the future working than the past, at this point. :)
12:09
<chrisjrob>
vagrantc, i can't disagree - and other than ldm - it's beautiful.
12:09
<vagrantc>
chrisjrob: glad you like it. lenny will be even better :)
12:10
<chrisjrob>
vagrantc: now you're just tempting me...!
12:10
<vagrantc>
chrisjrob: you can even set the background image properly! :)
12:21
ogra: so, are you basically going with ltsp 5.1.10 for intrepid, or is there still room for a new version?
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<vagrantc>
ogra: i'll probably just use your tarball for my next upload.
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12:42
<ogra>
vagrantc, ??
12:42
vagrantc, intrepid is only 2 months old yet
12:43
<vagrantc>
ogra: i don't really understand the ubuntu freeze cycle...
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<vagrantc>
ogra: at any rate, it'd be nice if we could try and release lenny and intrepid with the same ltsp upstream version :)
12:47
<ogra>
for sure i'll go with whats there by feature freeze which is in several months
12:47
until then i dont really care for versions ... i just bumped it because my merge included non ubuntu changes
12:48
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseSchedule
12:48
by feature freeze new upstream versions need exceptions
12:49
until then i can do what i want
12:50
thats end of august
12:50
do you have any freeze dates for lenny ?
12:51
<vagrantc>
ah, you just passed the debianimportfreeze
12:51
last i heard, freeze mid-july
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<ogra>
hmm, if that slips as usual we could get on the same page :)
12:54
<vagrantc>
i actually would like to it be after the hackfest, of course, just in case we come up with irresistably good stuff.
13:02
<ogra>
indeed, i guess you can get freeze exceptions as well, no ?
13:03
<vagrantc>
sure, but nice to not have to deal with the hassle
13:04
<ogra>
yeah, same here, even though my release team uses to trust me and for ltsp the process is a lot easier than other packages
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13:32
<epoxy|w3rk>
bleh.. well that was AWESOME! dont ever rewrite you server's initrd with the one intended for a lstp one! for some reason the server can't mount itself via nfs when it boots :D
13:32
(typed it in the wrong terminal at some point i guess)
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13:37
<ogra>
heh
13:37
there is usually a .bak version of the initramfs in /boot
13:37
just edit the grub menu on boot and append .bak t the initramfs mane
13:38
<epoxy|w3rk>
yeah that's what saved my ass
13:38
<ogra>
*name
13:38
<epoxy|w3rk>
i booted with debian rescue and mounted /boot
13:38
but bleh..scared the hell out of me
13:38
<ogra>
you could have done it directly from grub
13:38
no rescue needed :)
13:38
<epoxy|w3rk>
i didnt know there was a backup.. i was expecting to figure out the long way around things lkol
13:38
<ogra>
(but indeed you have to know that in advance :) )
13:38* epoxy|w3rk makes a sticky
13:39
<epoxy|w3rk>
i shouldn't be such a terminal whore in the first place i guess
13:39
<cliebow>
ogra: any complaints of hardy locking up initializing x in hardy?didnt see much in bugs
13:40
<ogra>
apart from the geode issues i havent seen any yet
13:40
and that should be fixed so far
13:40
<cliebow>
epoxy|w3rk, apropriate phrase..terminal wh*re
13:41
server side..
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<epoxy|w3rk>
hm.. in order for me to login at the prompt that pops up, i should be able to login to a tty and ssh to a user on my server, correct?
13:49
(from a client)
13:51
<ogra>
theoretically, yes
13:52
<epoxy|w3rk>
hm.. i can do that, it just takes about a minute. i login to the GUI with a user's credentials that i have on the server (regular shell acount) and it leaves the "logging in" status box toa black desktop with a mouse
13:52
it might be going.. not sure. been about 4 minutes
13:52
aw.. nm. it just knocked my back to a term
13:53
<ogra>
check ~/.xsession-errors of that user on the server to find out why the server cant start a desktop
13:55
<epoxy|w3rk>
tailing now.. logging in but nothing so far
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<epoxy|w3rk>
boo.. nothing
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<ogra>
but you have any kind of desktop installed, right ?
14:04
something that registers in Xsession
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<epoxy|w3rk>
ogra, hm.. do i have a desktop installed on the server?
14:08
<ogra>
indeed
14:08
<epoxy|w3rk>
yes.. i'm on it right now :)
14:08
<ogra>
the session runs on the server
14:09
ldm starts it after logging the user in with ssh
14:09
<epoxy|w3rk>
hm.. well i have gnome (metacity) on here now.
14:10
<ogra>
then you should have anything in the users ~/.xsession-errors
14:10
<dyn>
anyone using LDM_DIRECTX=True and LTSP 5 hardy?
14:10
<epoxy|w3rk>
ogra, yeah, weird. let me create a user and try that
14:10
<johnny>
i have/had that set..
14:11
<ogra>
dyn, anything wrong with it ?
14:11
<epoxy|w3rk>
whoa.. it worked.
14:11
i guess it was because i was already logged into x with that use?
14:11
*user?
14:11
<johnny>
yes
14:11
<ogra>
likely
14:12
<dyn>
ogra: yeah.. seems to kinda.. not work. heh
14:12
Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 keyxrdb: Resource temporarily unavailable
14:12
xrdb: Can't open display 'localhost:12.0'
14:12
shouldn't it be trying to open ipaddr:$DISPLAY
14:12
<ogra>
intresting, i havent seen that one yet
14:13
depends ...
14:13
<dyn>
yeah, gutsy worked just fine
14:13
<ogra>
the ssh tunel is still used for a good amount of stuff even with LDM_DIRECTX
14:13
<dyn>
yeah
14:14
<ogra>
but xrdb shouldnt be among them indeed
14:14
<dyn>
X0d_of_N0d and I are looking into it
14:14
<ogra>
you say gutsy worked fine, is that an upgrade ?
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<ogra>
and if so, did you rebuild the client environment for it (you should) with the new ltsp-build-client ?
14:17
<dyn>
ogra: it was an upgrade
14:17
yes, we did rebuild it
14:17
<ogra>
hmm, then it should work fine
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14:17
<dyn>
exactly heh
14:17
<ogra>
which it does here
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14:18
<ogra>
and for many other people ...
14:18
<dyn>
ok
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<ogra>
can you actually log in ?
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<X0d_of_N0d>
with ldm_directx off you can log in, with it on, you can't
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<X0d_of_N0d>
in the user's .xsession-errors you get Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 keyxrdb: Resource temporarily unavailable
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<X0d_of_N0d>
xrdb: Can't open display 'localhost:12.0'
14:22
but the display shouldn't be localhost, it should be the client's ip
14:22
<ogra>
right
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<ogra>
well, partially right as i said above
14:23
<X0d_of_N0d>
oh yeah, sorry... I should have read the back log
14:24
<ogra>
can you set SCREEN_02=shell and SCREEN_07=ldm in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf and check /var/log/ldm.log on tty2 ?
14:24
after a failed login attempt
14:24
<X0d_of_N0d>
yeah, screen1 is already a shell
14:24
so we've been looking at the ldm.log
14:25
<ogra>
never use screen_01
14:25
thats claimed by upstart, things go wonky if you steal that
14:25
<X0d_of_N0d>
we didn't set it
14:26
<ogra>
??
14:26
<X0d_of_N0d>
yeah, it's not set anywhere
14:26
we don't have any screens defined
14:26
<ogra>
but you set a rootpw to log in ?
14:26
<X0d_of_N0d>
nowhere in the lts.conf
14:26
yeah
14:26
<ogra>
ah, k
14:27
well, then just check the file :)
14:27
<X0d_of_N0d>
yeah, got it....
14:27
hold up
14:27
<ogra>
the xauth script should drop some info in there during login
14:27
<X0d_of_N0d>
should....
14:27
<ogra>
well, it does for the majority of people :)
14:28
i havent seen that issue yet
14:28
<X0d_of_N0d>
Executing rc files.
14:28
Beginning X session.
14:28
X session ended.
14:28
Executing rc files.
14:28
Killing X server.
14:28
Ending ssh session.
14:28
I mean, that's where the info should be, right?
14:28
<ogra>
no xauth cookie handshake stuff or so ?
14:28
<X0d_of_N0d>
I'm building a new client from scratch, one more time to verify...
14:28
well...
14:28
ssh_chat: got it! Sending pw
14:28
expect saw:
14:28
Warning: No xauth data; using fake authentication data for X11 forwarding.
14:28
LTSPROCKS
14:29
that's the only other place xauth is really ever mentioned
14:29
<ogra>
well, thats from the first ssh connection ... thats fine with directx
14:30
the second one that actualy starts the X session comes after that and there is something not going right
14:30
<X0d_of_N0d>
Killing X server.
14:30
Ending ssh session.
14:30
expect saw: $ Warning: No xauth data; using fake authentication data for X11 forwarding.
14:30
<ogra>
just to make sure you are in the right client env: lsb_release -a
14:30
returns hardy i hpe
14:30
*hope
14:30
<X0d_of_N0d>
hum...
14:31
Distributor ID: Ubuntu
14:31
Description: Ubuntu 8.04
14:31
Release: 8.04
14:31
Codename: hardy
14:31
<ogra>
ok
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<X0d_of_N0d>
I'm looking at a few things...
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<X0d_of_N0d>
we've had some problems with things installing correctly if locales aren't set right...
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14:32
<ogra>
perl noise ...
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<X0d_of_N0d>
like Postgres won't generate a database and stuff...
14:32
mostly perl noise, but not all
14:32
I assume it's just noise here
14:32
<ogra>
oh, right, postgres needs the locale for creating a proper cert
14:32
<X0d_of_N0d>
but it never hurts to verify your assumptions
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<ogra>
(postgres will also choke on LANG=C btw)
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14:33
<X0d_of_N0d>
irritating
14:33
<ogra>
well, its a bit picky :)
14:34
<X0d_of_N0d>
yeah
14:34
<ogra>
but who installs postgres in an environment without locale set :)
14:34
<X0d_of_N0d>
I was doing it in a vserver, so locales kind of get a little strange
14:34
<ogra>
well, even ubuntu server sets a locale during install
14:35
<X0d_of_N0d>
does debootstrap?
14:35
<ogra>
(i think even the kvm tools do while bootstrapping)
14:35
no
14:35
debootstrap doesnt configure anything
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<X0d_of_N0d>
so when creating a vserver you use debootstrap to build the initial system... gotta remember all the rest
14:36
<ogra>
you need to set up the loopback device, hostname, TZ and locale manually at least
14:36
<X0d_of_N0d>
yeah
14:37
<ogra>
i *think* it works withut fstab ... not sure though
14:37
<X0d_of_N0d>
I learned that eventually
14:37
well with a vserver you can just hop in and start working on it...
14:38
<ogra>
right
14:38
<X0d_of_N0d>
anyway.....totally off subject
14:38
<ogra>
heh
14:39
locales shouldnt have any influence on hardys ldm anyway
14:39
<X0d_of_N0d>
So I read about localdev not working with ldm_directx, that's been fixed, right?
14:39
<ogra>
right
14:39
<X0d_of_N0d>
right
14:39
<ogra>
make sure to have hardy-updates enabled,it had a bunch of fixes for 8.04.1
14:40
<X0d_of_N0d>
I always like to verify everything though, because as soon as I KNOW there's NO WAY *ANYONE* would EVER do something some way.... that's exactly the way it's done
14:40
<ogra>
(should be on by default anyway though)
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<ogra>
it doesnt really look like ldm is picking up the LDM_DIRECTX, what else do you have in your lts.conf ?
14:44
can you paste it to the pastebot ?
14:45
<X0d_of_N0d>
X_COLOR_DEPTH=16
14:45
<ogra>
!pastebot
14:45
<ltspbot>
ogra: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
14:45
<X0d_of_N0d>
yeah
14:48
<ltsppbot>
"X0d_of_N0d" pasted "lts.conf" (21 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/2
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<ogra>
is the first bracket of default really missing or is that a paste error ?
14:49
<X0d_of_N0d>
just a paste error
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<X0d_of_N0d>
it's fine
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14:50
<X0d_of_N0d>
ogra: you gonna be around for a while?
14:50
<ogra>
XDM_SERVER isnt used ... is SERVER different from the bootserver ? else drop it ...
14:51
well, its 10pm here and its friday ....
14:51
<X0d_of_N0d>
ahhh, yeah
14:51
<ogra>
and i'm working since 12h ...
14:51
so probably not really much
14:52
<X0d_of_N0d>
xfs_server should go off server, right?
14:52
<ogra>
X_COLOR_DEPTH=16 is a default in hardy, you can drop it
14:52
<X0d_of_N0d>
they're all set to the same thing
14:52
<ogra>
i wouldnt use it
14:52
<X0d_of_N0d>
ok
14:52
<ogra>
its just a waste of bandwith, no app will actually make much use of it ... most use fontconfig server side
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14:53
<ogra>
its helpful for *real* x apps like xfig
14:53
<X0d_of_N0d>
areally?
14:53
<ogra>
well gnome firefox etc will default to use fontconfig
14:53
<X0d_of_N0d>
what about systems that aren't thin clients? We want to keep all our fonts in sync across the network
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<X0d_of_N0d>
alright, I'm gonna read op on that
14:57
<ogra>
grep XFS_SERVER /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ltsp/configure-x.sh
14:57
:)
14:57
<X0d_of_N0d>
we actually have to disable that script or it breaks one of our apps
14:58
<ogra>
well, but there is nothing in your lts.conf that should prevent directx from being handed over
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<ogra>
can you try with a lts.conf that only has the XSERVER and LDM_DIRECTX setting ?
14:58
<X0d_of_N0d>
yeah, I tried to comment anything out that might possibly conflict
14:59
sure
14:59
<ogra>
LOCAL_STORAGE and LOCAL_DEVICE_nn are ltsp 4.x options, not used anymore
14:59
<X0d_of_N0d>
I'm still rebuilding the client, it didn't finish building earlier.....
14:59
<ogra>
same for HOTPLUG
15:00
and SOUND defaults t true no point in setting it either
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<X0d_of_N0d>
the lts.conf says: lts_parameters.txt
15:00
err: see lts_parameters.txt for valid values
15:00
<ogra>
right
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<X0d_of_N0d>
but I can't seem to really find that file
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<ogra>
its in the doc path of ltsp-client-core in the chroot
15:01
you are not the first to complain :) i just moved it to the server docs this week ...
15:01
in intrepid
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<X0d_of_N0d>
ahh
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<ogra>
locate should have found it though
15:02
<X0d_of_N0d>
wtf....
15:02
hum
15:02
error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally
15:03
<ogra>
oh ?
15:03
at which step ?
15:03
<X0d_of_N0d>
aI: Base system installed successfully.
15:03
right before it starts apt
15:03
<ogra>
weird
15:03
<X0d_of_N0d>
no...
15:03
right before it chroots
15:03
<ogra>
got enough diskspace ?
15:04
and your network up and running
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<X0d_of_N0d>
tons
15:04
yeah
15:05* ogra wonders whats going on there
15:05
<X0d_of_N0d>
yeah, it was just working
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<ogra>
dpkg -l ltsp-server ?
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<X0d_of_N0d>
Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
15:09
| Status=Not/Installed/Config-f/Unpacked/Failed-cfg/Half-inst/t-aWait/T-pend
15:09
|/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
15:09
||/ Name Version Description
15:09
+++-===============================================-===============================================-==============================================================================================================
15:09
ii ltsp-server 5.0.40~bzr20080212-0ubuntu7 Basic LTSP server environment
15:09
<ogra>
yeah, thats the latest
15:09
<X0d_of_N0d>
shouldn't aptitude show give that info?
15:10
<ogra>
no idea, i never use aptitude
15:10
<X0d_of_N0d>
I guess not all...hum
15:10
<ogra>
:)
15:10
<X0d_of_N0d>
heh
15:11
I'm not really an ubuntu/debian guy myself, I just use it at work... but aptitude seems like a useful tool
15:11
<vagrantc>
X0d_of_N0d: meet the pastebot:
15:11
!pastebot
15:11
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
15:11
<X0d_of_N0d>
well... at work and on all the people's boxes I support at home
15:11
vagrantc: yeah, sorry about that
15:11
<ogra>
yeah, people seem to like it :) i think i used it twice in my life yet
15:12
<vagrantc>
i've tried aptitude, but most of the features i liked in aptitude are now present in apt itself...
15:12
i used aptitude religiously for 1-2 years
15:12
and then got frustrated with it
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<X0d_of_N0d>
what made you frustrated?
15:13
<vagrantc>
i don't even remember, really.
15:13
it doesn't really give me anything i want that i don't have with recent versions of apt
15:14
<ogra>
it gives you a game to play while installing stuff ... apt cant ...
15:14
;)
15:14
<X0d_of_N0d>
I just don't like having to use apt-cache to search and apt-get to install
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<vagrantc>
the one feature i miss is the ability to selectively hold/upgrade/select packages on the fly
15:15
pfft.
15:15
<ogra>
heh
15:15
<X0d_of_N0d>
then again on gentoo I use eix to search and emerge to install...
15:15
so big deal really, huh...
15:17
I need to play with apt more I guess
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<mighty-d>
Hi
15:18
ogra, ping
15:19
<X0d_of_N0d>
ogra: check this out...
15:20
I set my locales to "POSIX", broken... set them back and it's fine... I thought POSIX==C=="leave me alone, I don't care about localization"
15:21
<johnny>
X0d_of_N0d, did you wanna test gentoo at some point? :)
15:21
<X0d_of_N0d>
test?
15:21
I'm using it right now
15:21
<johnny>
yeah.. gentoo ltsp5
15:21
<ogra>
well, as i said before, on ubuntu i somewhat rely on the fact that your locale is set :)
15:22
<X0d_of_N0d>
have for a couple years
15:22* X0d_of_N0d sighs
15:22
<X0d_of_N0d>
johnny: probably will at some point, I did some gentoo ltsp stuff way back when 5 wasn't really out
15:23
johnny: gentoo is just a pain in the ass in the server room
15:23
<johnny>
things are at least better with portage 2.2
15:23
<X0d_of_N0d>
lots of really cool stuff about it, but it's way too hard to maintain
15:23
<johnny>
it won't remove old libs :)
15:23
so you don't have to run revdep-rebuild
15:23
<X0d_of_N0d>
ogra: oh well... it's building now so....
15:24
johnny: yeah, but unless you have a good cluster going there's just too much time involved in upgrading and what-not
15:24
johnny: if you keep on top of it it'll work really well, but the moment you let that slip it becomes a nightmare
15:25
<johnny>
binary packages are about to become much easier to manage luckily
15:25
<X0d_of_N0d>
johnny: we were using it in our server room for a while, but we got behind on the updates and there you go
15:25
johnny: yeah?
15:25
<johnny>
yeah.. big ticket going to be closed soon, it's a gsoc project
15:26
take a look at the portage 2.2 release notes
15:26
<X0d_of_N0d>
You know, I was starting to look at arch for a bit
15:26
<johnny>
i read about arch, didn't find anything compelling
15:26
<X0d_of_N0d>
my desktops will always be gentoo, but my laptop.....
15:26
hum, I'll look at that
15:26
<mighty-d>
ogra, i followed your advice and went with hardy, but clients are too slow
15:26
<johnny>
it's in ~arch now
15:27
<X0d_of_N0d>
a friend of mine used arch, basically a lot of the coolness of gentoo but with bin packages
15:27
whatever...
15:27
I figure it's always good to try new things...
15:28
I tried slackware, stayed with it.. then tried gentoo, stayed with it...
15:28
tried debian... great for work, but I don't really like it for myself
15:31
ogra: you work for canonical, right?
15:31
<ogra>
yep
15:31
mighty-d, what HW was that again ?
15:32
<X0d_of_N0d>
you use ubuntu at home?
15:32
<ogra>
i work from home, so yes :)
15:32
<X0d_of_N0d>
work from home... yeah, I wish I could get my boss to ok that more than 2 or 3 times a year
15:33
ogra: you code and do tech support?
15:34
<ogra>
i do the support here for fun ...
15:34
not my job
15:35
neither is ltsp anymore (officially) ... i was paid to work fulltime on ltsp for the first two years of ltsp5 existence though
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<X0d_of_N0d>
I've got a couple of friends on ubuntu, so I got plenty of fun outside irc
15:36
<ogra>
now i'm just pad for maintaining it and do the upstream work and support on my own ...
15:36
*paid
15:36
<X0d_of_N0d>
that's cool
15:37
it seems like maybe there should be more official free support for schools to impliment this...
15:37
<ogra>
well, i have enough other stuff to do :) as i mentioned its my 12th work hour for today ... and i will likely work tommorw as well
15:37
<X0d_of_N0d>
you know, pull a mac more-or-less... get in the schools and hope it filters out
15:37
<epoxy|w3rk>
hmm..how can i change the defaul session?
15:37
<ogra>
and probably sunday etc
15:37
<X0d_of_N0d>
yeah
15:37
<ogra>
epoxy|w3rk, update-alternatives --config x-session-manager
15:39
<X0d_of_N0d>
ogra: yeah, you guys are stacked with bugs and stuff, huh?
15:39
<ogra>
that as well
15:39
but i work for canonical ... we also have customers ... :)
15:40
<epoxy|w3rk>
ogra, LDM_SESSION= in lts.conf work too ?
15:40
<ogra>
should, yes
15:40
<X0d_of_N0d>
hum....
15:42
ok, so fresh ltsp-build-client, only two things in the config are LDM_DIRECTX=true and XSERVER=intel
15:42
now it's just ignoring LDM_DIRECTX entirely
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<ogra>
you set it in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf right ?
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<X0d_of_N0d>
yes
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<X0d_of_N0d>
it should be in the root of your tftp dir, right?
15:47
hum...
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<ogra>
exactly in the location i gave above
15:47
(for a default setup at least)
15:48
<X0d_of_N0d>
ok
15:48
it should be in the same place as your pxelinux.0, right?
15:48
<mighty-d>
hi, im trying to set kubuntu hardy heiron to serve ltsp, so far some clients boot but very slow, and other clients wont start x
15:49
<epoxy|w3rk>
i threw [default] LDM_SESSION="/usr/bin/startfluxbox" in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf .. is this not a correct method?
15:51
<ogra>
epoxy|w3rk, should work if you built your chroot with the etch backports packages, the old ones dont support lts.conf via tftp
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<X0d_of_N0d>
ogra: ok, it's fixed
15:54
<ogra>
login works ?
15:54
<X0d_of_N0d>
everything works
15:54
<ogra>
\o/
15:54
<X0d_of_N0d>
we have an unusual configuration...
15:54
<ogra>
yeah looks like
15:55
<X0d_of_N0d>
we like using our tftp server for lots of stuff, so instead of using the ubuntu tftp setup we used our own...
15:55
<ogra>
good to see that it also works in uncommon setups :) so we didnt fail completely
15:55
<X0d_of_N0d>
to make everything work the same I symlinked to the lts.conf in ltsp/i386
15:55
yeah
15:55
should have been a hard link
15:55
<ogra>
yeah
15:55
<X0d_of_N0d>
well, thanx for the help
15:55
<ogra>
tftp cant do symlinks
15:56
welcome, glad it works now
15:56
<warren>
it can't?
15:56
symlinks within the tree are fine though
15:56
<ogra>
but not across trees :)
15:56
<warren>
right
15:57
<X0d_of_N0d>
that's really strange... it worked under gutsy...
15:57
I wonder how that worked
15:57
whatever...
15:57
<ogra>
yeah
15:58
<X0d_of_N0d>
I'm gonna go get some brewing supplies now...
15:58
I've got beer to make this weekend
15:58
<ogra>
mmmm, good idea
15:58
<X0d_of_N0d>
bwahahah
15:58
thanx again
15:58
later
15:58
<ogra>
ciao
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<mighty-d>
ok, its working!
16:51
it was a bad cable
16:51
i wanted to know if there is sound support to send audio on a microphone via the clients to the server
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<Martin25>
i All :)
23:21
hi :P
23:23
first, sorry for my english, im from argentina, we were implemented a ltsp 4 server with 9 clients at school, whit not too many problems, thin clients Pentium 2 166 MMX with 8, 16 32 and 64 mb of RAM
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<Martin25>
but now we trying ltsp 5, with a 500 mhz client, 32 mb of ram, and when LDM starts, its becomes very slowly, take a lot of time to give us the login prompt, however, with 64 mb everything run nice...
23:25
have ltsp 5 high requirements that ltsp 4? is the new ldm manager heavier?
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<Chikubu>
i can not get the ltsp-manager to start in ubunut, ive read on some bug reports that it maybe linked to the ltsp-client-setup not being ran. i do not have the ltsp client installed, when i try to install from repository it lists as broken. i thought since this pc will be the server i did not need the client, the ltsp-manger error is [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/opt/ltsp/'....if i create a folder .../opt/ltsp i get a new error TypeError: object of
23:41
maybe i dont need the stand alone? i have a dhcp server i think can support a boot
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