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Channel log from 9 August 2013   (all times are UTC)

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02:11
<_UsUrPeR_>
good... evening all?
02:18
<jammcq>
hey _UsUrPeR_
02:27
<_UsUrPeR_>
jammcq: how's it going?
02:27
<jammcq>
going pretty well
02:27
<_UsUrPeR_>
good to hear
02:27
<jammcq>
what's new?
02:28
<_UsUrPeR_>
I have come here for technical expertise. Per the norm. Have you ever used hylafax? :)
02:28
<jammcq>
sure
02:28* _UsUrPeR_ does a double-take at the screen
02:28
<jammcq>
I've been using it for years and years
02:28
<_UsUrPeR_>
well shucks, brother
02:28
#hylafax is dead
02:28
<jammcq>
heh
02:29
<_UsUrPeR_>
I figured I'd plumb the depths of old-timerness on irc
02:29
ok, so let me lay this out for you then:
02:29
I am helping someone replace a dead server
02:29
it was horriffic, and the motherboard died. This was from an old Xeon PII server with, like, 8 COM ports on it
02:30
<jammcq>
wow
02:30
<_UsUrPeR_>
I am exadurating.
02:30
but he was running 3 COM port modems off it
02:30
it died, and the new server has only one COM port
02:30
<jammcq>
it's alright. one of the servers I have running hylafax is a pentium-pro machine with 8 ports
02:30
heh
02:30
<_UsUrPeR_>
yeah. Pray it doesn't die :)
02:30
<jammcq>
hylafax runs with USB modems :)
02:30
<_UsUrPeR_>
so I am trying to get hylafax up and running on a new system
02:31
precisely
02:31
<jammcq>
i'm doing that for my server
02:31
<_UsUrPeR_>
I got a USB > COM adapter
02:31
<jammcq>
ok
02:31
<_UsUrPeR_>
and the modem detects! Easy as pie
02:31
so I ran faxaddmodem
02:31
<jammcq>
ah yeah, that fun stuff
02:32
<_UsUrPeR_>
pointed it to /dev/ttyUSB1 and it saw the modem, and saw that it was good to 33600
02:32
which is fine for faxing
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02:33
<_UsUrPeR_>
so I have a config.ttyUSB1 in /etc/hylafax, and it copied it over to /var/spool/hylafax/config after restarting the service
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02:33
<_UsUrPeR_>
however, when I run faxstat, I only see the single COM port modem in there at /dev/ttyS0
02:33
not the one in /dev/ttyUSB1
02:33
<jammcq>
what distro?
02:34
<_UsUrPeR_>
and I have added it to inittab
02:34
this is...
02:34
ubuntu 8.04
02:34
the reason I am adding this second modem is to be used for outbound faxes only
02:34
but I assume it needs to be seen by hylafax in faxstat prior to being able to be used by faxq
02:35
<jammcq>
ok, first of all, my USB modem is on ttyACM0
02:35
not sure if that makes any difference
02:35
<_UsUrPeR_>
huh. weird
02:35
<jammcq>
and my configs live in /var/spool/hylafax/etc
02:36
'config' is a text file
02:36
not a dir on my system
02:36
<_UsUrPeR_>
ok
02:36
<jammcq>
my server is Ubuntu 10.04
02:36
<_UsUrPeR_>
for the record, I show no ttyACM* in /dev/
02:36
<jammcq>
could be a change in udev or something
02:36
<_UsUrPeR_>
and dmesg earlier showed it assigned the USB plugins to /dev/ttyUSB*
02:37
possible, yeah
02:37
<jammcq>
mine is a real USB modem, no serial-usb adapters
02:37
<_UsUrPeR_>
just want to clear up potential issues as we move along
02:37
oh, ok
02:37
<jammcq>
sure
02:37
<_UsUrPeR_>
this modem is an honest-to-god $200 fax modem
02:37
<jammcq>
so... do you have a /var/spool/hylafax/etc directory?
02:37
mine was $100 which still seems rediculous for a modem
02:38
<_UsUrPeR_>
I do have /var/spool/hylafax/etc/ I was mistaken by the "config" dir
02:38
it copies all conf files over from /etc/hylafax/ to /var/spool/hylafax/etc when I restart the service
02:38
<jammcq>
ok
02:39
in your init script, what line did you add? something like: faxmodem ttyUSB0
02:39
<_UsUrPeR_>
Line is as follows:
02:40
t1:23:respawn:/usr/sbin/faxgetty ttyUSB1
02:40
<jammcq>
oooh
02:40
you trying to do incoming or outgoing?
02:40
or both?
02:40
<_UsUrPeR_>
the previous line was as follows: t0:23:respawn:/usr/sbin/faxgetty ttyS0
02:40
It's my intention to have it operating as outgoing only
02:41
however, since no one has the phone number assigned to the second line, I figured faxq would figure it out
02:41
<jammcq>
for outgoing, you don't need faxgetty
02:41
<_UsUrPeR_>
copy that
02:41
<jammcq>
that's just for incoming, so it'll answer the call
02:41
<_UsUrPeR_>
I'll remove this from inittab
02:41
still, I am concerned that it doesn't show up in faxstat
02:42
<jammcq>
are you at the machine now?
02:42
<_UsUrPeR_>
when I ran faxaddmodem, it even detected the proper modem model and everything
02:42
I am not at the machine, unfortunately
02:42
<jammcq>
no access to it?
02:42
<_UsUrPeR_>
it's actually about 45 minutes away
02:43
and locked in someone's business
02:43
so... no
02:43
<jammcq>
ah
02:43
<_UsUrPeR_>
why do you ask?
02:43
<jammcq>
ok, so... faxaddmodem sets up the configuration
02:43
<_UsUrPeR_>
mmhmm
02:43
<jammcq>
then 'faxmodem ttyUSB1' adds it to the pool
02:43
<_UsUrPeR_>
oh?
02:43
<jammcq>
sounds like faxq doesn't know the modem is available
02:43
<_UsUrPeR_>
should I run that? I was unaware
02:43
<jammcq>
yeah, I think so
02:44
try: man faxmodem
02:44
it tells alot about what it does
02:44
<_UsUrPeR_>
running faxmodem ttyUSB1 threw an error about shared libraries
02:44
<jammcq>
hmmm, that doesn't sound good
02:44
how did hylafax get installed?
02:44
<_UsUrPeR_>
faxq is running right now
02:44
so I probably need to shut that down first
02:45
<jammcq>
no, faxq is the fax daemon
02:45
you need that running
02:45
<_UsUrPeR_>
ok, so that you know: I have one modem running and receiving faxes on ttyS0
02:45
it _is_ running
02:45
I just need to add the second modem :)
02:45
the error is as follows:
02:46
faxmodem: error while loading shared libraries: libfaxutil.so: cannot open shared object file: no such directory
02:46
<jammcq>
how did you install hylafax?
02:46
<_UsUrPeR_>
ok that does sound kind of bad actually
02:46
I did not install hylafax
02:46
it was like this when I got here :/
02:46
<jammcq>
how did it get installed?
02:46
ah
02:46
you are cleaning up someone elses mess
02:47
try: locate libfaxutil.so
02:47
<_UsUrPeR_>
indeed I am
02:47
<jammcq>
could just be a path issue
02:47
<_UsUrPeR_>
yeah, it shows up
02:47
<jammcq>
what's the path?
02:47
<_UsUrPeR_>
/usr/lib/hylafax/libfaxutil.so
02:48
<jammcq>
try:
02:48
sudo /sbin/ldconfig /usr/lib/hylafax
02:48
and then try the faxmodem cmd again
02:48
<_UsUrPeR_>
same error
02:48
<jammcq>
odd
02:49
where is the faxmodem command, probably /usr/sbin
02:50
<_UsUrPeR_>
whereis faxmodem shows /usr/sbin and /usr/local/sbin
02:50
<jammcq>
do: type faxmodem
02:50
'type' will tell us which one it'll use
02:50
<_UsUrPeR_>
"faxmodem is hashed (/usr/local/sbin/faxmodem)
02:50
"
02:51
<jammcq>
ok, do: sudo ldd /usr/local/sbin/faxmodem
02:51
<_UsUrPeR_>
libfaxutil.so => not found
02:51
<jammcq>
try: sudo ldd /usr/sbin/faxmodem
02:51
<_UsUrPeR_>
everything else is in there
02:52
that shows it
02:52
perhaps a simlink would do the trick
02:52
<jammcq>
so try running: /usr/sbin/faxmodem ttyUSB1
02:52
<_UsUrPeR_>
took it - no issues
02:52
<jammcq>
now try faxstat
02:52
<_UsUrPeR_>
still showing a single modem
02:53
<jammcq>
hmm
02:53
<_UsUrPeR_>
I believe hylafax needs to be restarted though?
02:53
or is that not the case
02:53
<jammcq>
shouldn't need to
02:53
but it sounds like you have 2 copies of hylafax installed
02:53
<_UsUrPeR_>
yeah, that changed nothing
02:55
stranger still, this is running all it's stuff from /usr/local/sbin/
02:55
<jammcq>
try: echo $PATH
02:55
<_UsUrPeR_>
which faxq shows same /usr/local/sbin dir and ldd shows it's missing libraries
02:56
I see /usr/local/sbin before /usr/sbin
02:56
<jammcq>
that's why it's running from there
02:56
<_UsUrPeR_>
they are both in there though
02:56
<jammcq>
sounds like someone installed the hylafax packages
02:56
and then built hylafax from source
02:57
and set the path to run the one they built
02:57
<_UsUrPeR_>
seems odd that someone went through the trouble of running this all from /usr/local/sbin/ after it was already installed
02:58
stranger still is that it works at all
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<jammcq>
what's in your /etc/ld.so.conf file?
02:59
<_UsUrPeR_>
hmm. for the record, hylafax in /etc/init.d/hylafax has directly called /usr/sbin/faxgetty
02:59
which is probably why it's running
02:59
<jammcq>
yeah
02:59
<_UsUrPeR_>
include /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*.conf
03:00
<jammcq>
hmm, waht's in the /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*.conf files?
03:00
<_UsUrPeR_>
in ld.so.conf.d there is libc.conf and x86_64-linux-gnu.conf
03:00
libc.conf shows /usr/local/lib, /lib, /lib32/
03:01
<jammcq>
ans where was libfaxutil.so found?
03:01
<_UsUrPeR_>
x86_64-linux-gnu.conf shows /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu, /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu
03:01
/usr/lib/hylafax/libfaxutil.so
03:02
oh... can I move/ln -s that directory do /usr/local/lib/ ? :)
03:02
<jammcq>
that's probably the one that was installed by the packages
03:02
is this a 32-bit or 64-bit system?
03:02
<_UsUrPeR_>
64-bit
03:03
I'll admit: I would have bet on 32-bit
03:03
uname -a says otherwise
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03:06
<jammcq>
so which faxq is running?
03:06
he one in /usr/local ?
03:07
<_UsUrPeR_>
according to ps aux |grep faxq it shows /usr/sbin/faxq
03:07
which is the correct faxq
03:08
<jammcq>
I dunno
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<jammcq>
it sounds like the stuff in /usr/local isn't complete
03:08
which faxstat did you run?
03:08
<_UsUrPeR_>
I would tend to agree
03:09
which faxstat shows /usr/bin/faxstat
03:09
though there is no /usr/local/bin/faxstat...
03:09
<jammcq>
hmm
03:10
<_UsUrPeR_>
I am tempted to pull the /usr/local/sbin/ from $PATH
03:10
<jammcq>
yeah
03:10
<_UsUrPeR_>
that's the only stuff in /usr/local/sbin/
03:10
there's some stuff in /usr/local/lib, but it's all simlinked
03:12
hmm. ~/.bash_profile shows nothing interesting
03:13
where is $PATH set if it's not in a bash profile?
03:13
<jammcq>
umm, maybe /etc/profile, or /etc/profile.d
03:14
<_UsUrPeR_>
yuck. nothing useful in /etc/profile and /etc/profile.d/ is empty
03:16
/etc/bash.bashrc shows one export
03:16
but that's not the one I am looking for
03:17
oh there it is...
03:17
in...
03:17
crontab?
03:18
no export though
03:18
<jammcq>
that's just for cron jobs
03:18
<_UsUrPeR_>
yeah
03:19
<jammcq>
look in /etc/login.defs
03:20
<_UsUrPeR_>
there we go!
03:20
ENV_SUPATH
03:20
If I slip that to the end of the string, will it remain in paths without interfering?
03:21
<jammcq>
yeah
03:21
<_UsUrPeR_>
ok done
03:21
hmm. I guess I need to log out
03:21
not the case :P
03:23
do I need to re-export that?
03:23
there we go
03:23
done 8)
03:24
I am going to re-add this modem now with the proper program running
03:26
faxstat still shows only one modem after adding
03:26
<jammcq>
hmm
03:26
<_UsUrPeR_>
though doesn't faxstat only show modems that are added in inittab?
03:26
I had thought that was for faxgetty only
03:27
<jammcq>
try restarting faxq and hfaxd
03:27
no
03:27
faxstat shows modems that hfaxd knows about
03:27
and faxgetting is one of the programs that tells it, but that's for incoming
03:27
faxmodem is the way to tell it for outgoing
03:28
<_UsUrPeR_>
interesting. service hylafax stop killed faxq
03:28
however faxgetty still exists
03:28
<jammcq>
s/hfaxd/faxq/
03:28
yeah, cuz faxgetty is run via inittab
03:28
faxq is a daemon
03:28
<_UsUrPeR_>
how do I kill faxgetty cleanly? Just kill it?
03:29
<jammcq>
yep, but it will restart immediately
03:29
you can ignore faxgetty
03:29
it just accepts incoming calls and figures out that it's a modem, and then spawns something else, like recvfax I think
03:30
<_UsUrPeR_>
still showing opnly one modem >_<
03:30
also faxgetty did not restart
03:31
<jammcq>
I think it will, when init figures out that it's gone
03:32
<_UsUrPeR_>
ok, no biggie
03:32
<jammcq>
reading the faxgetty manpage, it looks like it can be used for outgoing too, but that's just now how i've done it
03:33
<_UsUrPeR_>
it's 11:30 so no doctors are going to be faxing in patient records anyway
03:33
<jammcq>
and.... it's getting late
03:33
<_UsUrPeR_>
agreed
03:33
I don't remember for you signing up for this :)
03:33
<jammcq>
heh
03:33
<_UsUrPeR_>
if you want to stop, I'm cool with that.
03:33
I do appreciate your time
03:33
<jammcq>
yeah, i've gotta get my beauty rest
03:34
<_UsUrPeR_>
well in that case, we'll call it a night.
03:34
<jammcq>
anyway good luck
03:34
<_UsUrPeR_>
yessir. Same to you.
03:34
<jammcq>
i should be around tomorrow if you have any questions
03:35
<_UsUrPeR_>
I just may, but I am going to take a shot at a few more things first
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12:03* gvy stares at jammcq and recalls hylafax times
12:10
<Hyperbyte>
Faxing is sooooooo 1998.
12:10
<jammcq>
heh
12:20
<ogra_>
not if you fax QR codes :)
12:21
<jammcq>
hmmm, I wonder if that works
12:21
<ogra_>
sure, why wouldnt it
12:21
<jammcq>
fax resolution can be pretty bad
12:21
<ogra_>
you can scale the code to any size you like
12:21
<jammcq>
but... it's probably good enough
12:22
ogra_: did you buy your plane ticket yet?
12:22
<ogra_>
nope, not yet
12:23
<jammcq>
hope you do, lots of the regulars are already confirmed
12:23
gadi is coming
12:23
ragnar says he's 80% sure he's coming
12:23
<ogra_>
i will, no worries
12:23
just didnt manage the paperwork yet
12:23
<jammcq>
cool
12:23
<ogra_>
if the right 80% come i'm fine with that
12:23
<jammcq>
heh
12:28
<stgraber>
jammcq: I still need to figure out how to get down there but that's probably just a matter of convincing mgariepy to go, that or I'll figure something out with highvoltage (or just fly to NYC or Boston).
12:28
<jammcq>
stgraber: where is highvoltage?
12:28
<stgraber>
jammcq: South Africa
12:29
<jammcq>
so... is he coming?
12:29
<stgraber>
he said he'd
12:29
<jammcq>
oh wow
12:29
I figured since he was so far, he'd not be able to make it
12:29
it'd be great to have him back
12:30
but really, it'd be great to convince mgariepy
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12:36
<ogra_>
what about eric ?
12:36
<jammcq>
i've reached out, but not heard back yet. I'll try calling him today
12:36
<ogra_>
cool
12:37
<jammcq>
and of course, it wouldn't be BTS without Scotty
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12:38
<ogra_>
yeah, thats a given
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12:54
<highvoltage>
hey jammcq
12:55
my biggest obsticle is that I'm likely to be moving into my place in the beginning of Nov, which might get in the way. otherwise it's nice that I have a 10 year US visa now so that takes care of that :)
12:56
<jammcq>
highvoltage: well... I just assumed that since you were so far away, you wouldn't be able. I guess I shouldn't assume things.
12:56
and 10-yr visa's are great. I used to get a 90-day for brazil until I finally convinced them that I was coming every year. they finally gave me a 5-yr
12:57
<highvoltage>
jammcq: nice. brazil is also cool because I don't need a visa to go there. we should have an ltsp related event there one day.
12:58* highvoltage is somewhat saddened for his continued lack of ltsp contributions and that's likely to last for at least another six months or so
12:58
<jammcq>
sure, their FISL conference is excellent. i'm hoping to go next year, but next year seems to be getting pretty busy already
13:05
<alkisg>
highvoltage: what's the deal with gnome-session-flashback? Is it something we'll see in the default edubuntu installation of 14.04?
13:06* alkisg has spend some time searching which would be the best way to go, lxde-qt, xfce etc, until he saw highvoltage's name as the flashback maintainer... :)
13:07
<alkisg>
About LTSP 6, Phantomas did some researching and it's quite easy to setup samba as a PDC in order to authenticate both LTSP and windows clients against it... (instead of libpam_sshauth)
13:07
I don't know if we should implement that with the current samba 3 branches or if we should wait until samba 4 is working in ubuntu, though
13:08
It would be nice if we had LTSP 6 for Ubuntu 14.04 and Debian Jessy...
13:08
<jammcq>
Samba-4 is sorta like Perl-6
13:08
<ogra_>
probably ask slangasek about an eta for samba4
13:08
<jammcq>
they were both announced more than 10 years ago
13:08
<ogra_>
to make a proper judgement :)
13:09
<alkisg>
Hehe.... it's supposed to be in beta currently, but it only works from upstream, the ubuntu package isn't yet ready
13:09
<ogra_>
like duke nukem forever ... and it made it in the end :)
13:09
<alkisg>
Ty ogra_, I'll ask him on the first chance
13:09
<jammcq>
I wouldn't count on LTSP-6 for 14.04
13:09
<alkisg>
I know, it would require at least a month of hard work (e.g. 8 hours per day), and noone seems to have that much time currently...
13:10
We'll probably do the Samba/no LDM stuff next summer, and upload it to a PPA for 14.04
13:11
But the most important question there, is "which DE to use"...
13:11
<jammcq>
i'm really liking that idea of having a hackfest in Portland at Debconf time
13:11
<alkisg>
+1000 :)
13:11
sbalneav was working on mate-desktop, but I think debian refused to ship that
13:11
<jammcq>
he's still very involved in Mate
13:19
<highvoltage>
hey alkisg!
13:20
alkisg: yeah the idea is to have one last release that can be supported for debian 8 and ubuntu 14.04
13:21
alkisg: we're working through some trouble just getting it to build at the moment, but I think a few more hours on it (seems down to a few build-dependencies that needs some updates for new versions) and it should be good.
13:21
alkisg: that's one of my higher-than-ltsp priorities at the moment. edubuntu is still a lot higher than that and needs some sore attention.
13:22
(so that's that in a nutshell)
13:22
alkisg: +1 on LTSP6 for 14.04, I think by then it will be a necessity
13:23
jammcq: next debconf is also something I really really want to get to as well
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18:50
<imox>
hello how can I change theme from the local apps?
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19:10
<||cw>
install a theme manager as a localapp?
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