IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 15 July 2018   (all times are UTC)

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09:48
<alkisg>
# On Debian-based systems, don't ifdown the interfaces on shutdown
09:48
Hey all, is that correct, or should it be "In Debian-"... ?
09:50
<fiesh>
I'd go for on
09:50
but I would think both are acceptable
09:50
there is even a discussion about the trickiness of this, haha: https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/261236/in-a-system-vs-on-a-system
09:52
<alkisg>
Ty fiesh, committing it with "on" :)
09:53
<fiesh>
my wife, Canadian and no technical expertise, prefers in though ;-)
09:53
hehe yw
09:54
<alkisg>
Haha, hopefully she won't be reading the LTSP changelog :D
09:55
<fiesh>
haha
10:14
<alkisg>
bcg: server/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Redhat/009-mock-chroot has a shebang, and it makes lintian complain as it's sourced by ltsp-build-client and not executed, I'm going to remote the shebang, ok?
10:14
*remove
10:32
<bcg>
yes, remove.
10:41
<alkisg>
ty, done
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17:51* alkisg_web waves to vagrantc
17:51
<alkisg_web>
vagrantc: I did some upstream and some packaging changes; I had tested them in the past but not recently; I'll test again within the next days
17:52
Hopefully I didn't break anything, but if I did, I'll fix it :)
18:21
(will read logs)
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18:36
<vagrantc>
alkisg: cool
18:36
<alkisg>
back :)
18:36
Well, at least the ppa build seems ok
18:37
I removed most of the ubuntu diff, as it was things for ltsp-cluster or for upstart or things that didn't work anyway...
18:38
So now hopefully it's `apt install ltsp-server-standalone` for classic ltsp, and `apt install ltsp-server-standalone ltsp-client` for ltsp-pnp
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18:52
<alkisg>
highvoltage: where is the upstream for ldm-ubuntu-themes? E.g. ttf-ubuntu-font-family is a transitional package...
18:52
so that dependency should be updated
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19:18
<alkisg>
vagrantc: for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/1781774 I have this prepared: HOST_TO_USERNAME="pc/guest"
19:18
That translates to: if hostname contains "pc", e.g. pc01, then sed that to e.g. guest01. If not, *unset* autologin.
19:18
Is it a reasonable approach, naming etc?
19:19
(this is to prevent endless autologin attempts on unknown clients, without messing your "all ltspXXX users exist for this subnet" use case)
19:21
"then sed that to e.g. guest01" => eh, there I meant: set LDM_USERNAME=guest01
19:24
Heh, thin clients with 256 RAM don't boot in Ubuntu 18.04, at least without optimizations, due to very big initramfs
19:28
At LDM they only need 100 MB though :/
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19:43
<vagrantc>
thin clients have to put on some weight :)
19:44
alkisg: HOST_TO_USERNAME seems like a reasonable feature ... only problem is weather the separator is valid
19:44
<alkisg>
vagrantc: I put it to sed as it is, in case someone wants to do something more fancy with regexes
19:44
<vagrantc>
alkisg: i'm often surprised by what some systems allow as usernames
19:44
<alkisg>
What else could we use?
19:45
<vagrantc>
alkisg: ah, it's passed directly to sed?
19:45
<alkisg>
Ah, then they could escape it of course
19:45
(the backslash)
19:45
yeah
19:45
<vagrantc>
alkisg: depends on the sed call, then :)
19:46
but in theory that sounds like a reasonable way to handle it
19:46
<alkisg>
E.g. HOST_TO_USERNAME="host\/name/user"
19:46
I.e. they'd escape their slash in the hostname part
19:46
(although maybe it needs two backslashes there due to lts.conf parsing, but that's another story)
19:47
AFAIK hostnames with slashes aren't valid thouhg
19:47
Like in the internet, it would be www.goo/gle.com :D
19:47
<vagrantc>
that's the only concern, and if it works for what i would hope to be the majority of use-cases, bugs can be filed to fix the rest when they come up :)
19:48
<alkisg>
Ah well ok they might need it for the usernames, not the hostnames, but same escape should work
19:49
HOST_TO_USERNAME="hostname/domain\/username"
19:50
For nbd-checkupdate, I just put a small delay and backgrounded it, it should be rather solid that way. Let's not remove it until ltsp6 in case someone actually uses it
19:53* vagrantc would be happy to remove nbd-checkupdate
19:55
<alkisg>
Great, I'll do that then :D
19:58
<vagrantc>
alkisg: fottsia has been busy with the bug tracker :)
19:58
<alkisg>
The team has started working this week, finally!
19:59
<vagrantc>
which team?
20:00
<alkisg>
The greek schools support team. Or, a small part of it at least
20:00
E.g. I got left out; I'll start in September :(
20:00
#(*&$#( bureaucrats :D
20:01
<vagrantc>
oh
20:02
<alkisg>
Ouch, `udevadm settle` takes 60 secs, cause slow boots...
20:04
*causing
20:06
<vagrantc>
alkisg: or possibly add your delay and disable nbd-checkupdate by default...
20:06
<alkisg>
vagrantc: since cryptsetup is causing issues temporarily on debian, maybe instead of defaulting to ENCRYPTED_SWAP=False, we could (also?) remove it from X-Debian-Depends? It's making the initramfs larger...
20:07* vagrantc sighs
20:07
<vagrantc>
guess so
20:07
<alkisg>
Nice
20:07
Heh. I think those weird udev delays are caused by Ubuntu's snapd loop devices...
20:08
<vagrantc>
unencrypted swap seems like such a terrible idea ...
20:08
well, unencrypted network swap
20:08
<alkisg>
I'm really going to suggest to our users to purge snapd right after the installation :D
20:08
Indeed
20:08
<vagrantc>
but i haven't had the time to fix it properly
20:09
<alkisg>
I also removed a "test -w /" patch, it should be fixed since 2011..
20:09
<vagrantc>
heh
20:11
<alkisg>
Ouououch it's ltspfs trying to export snapd loop devices
20:11
<vagrantc>
waaah.
20:12
i know how much you love ltspfs :)
20:12
<alkisg>
I really wonder how people say they tried 18.04 and it "worked fine for them" :D
20:12
Hahaha
20:12
ltspfs + snapd, my favorite mix
20:13
<vagrantc>
no snapd on my installs, at least :)
20:13
<alkisg>
A gsoc project will add greek characters to cantarell, the debian/gnome default font
20:13
One less reason keeping us to ubuntu... and a lot more reasons to switch away nowadays...
20:21
ltspfsmounter says `if not get_var('SSH_CONNECTION'): conn = "127.0.0.1"`. I've no idea why it would assume there's an ssh connection to localhost there... no wonder it hangs waiting
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20:30
<alkisg>
Yey, boot time from 150 secs down to 13 :D
20:34
Meh I'm checking for systemd when init-ltsp is running.
20:35* alkisg <== noob
20:35
<vagrantc>
heh
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20:38* alkisg waves for now, continuing tomorrow with a big cup of coffee...
20:39
<quinox>
let me know when LTSP is ready to be used on 18.04
20:39
<alkisg>
quinox: sure, will do
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