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Channel log from 28 September 2016   (all times are UTC)

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05:16
<alkisg>
!ltsp-bug
05:16
<ltsp`>
ltsp-bug: To file a bug report for upstream LTSP, go to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp
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05:45
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg
05:45
Hi!
05:51
<alkisg>
Hey Hyperbyte
05:52
Hyperbyte: wrt stability, since the greek schools support team doesn't have funding currently (hoping it will in a few months), we're still using ubuntu 12.04 here
05:54
The bugs in *ubuntu* (not in ltsp) in 14.04 and 16.04 were too many to be deployed in schools. We solved many dozens of such bugs, but we don't consider it production ready yet.
05:57
<Hyperbyte>
Hrm....
05:57
So you're saying, don't use 16.04?
05:58
<alkisg>
I'm using 16.04 daily, but I've only deployed it to 5-10 schools, and many of them asked me to roll it back to 12.04
05:58
If I was to select between 16.04 and 14.04, I would select 16.04
05:58
<Hyperbyte>
Why have they asked you to roll back?
05:59
<alkisg>
Because of the bugs I've mentioned
05:59
<Hyperbyte>
I assume it's bugs with the specific software you're using and certain libraries, etc?
05:59
<alkisg>
Gotta go, bbl!
05:59
General ubuntu bugs
05:59
Not with specific software
05:59
<Hyperbyte>
Hm, okay
05:59
<alkisg>
systemd, sshfs, ...
05:59
<Hyperbyte>
Ok, thanks
05:59
We'll speak later, also about your issue with the LTSP site
05:59
<muppis_>
Morning. Was there any trick between fat and thin clients log in? Using 14.04... >)
06:00
Haven't used fats for a while and now build one. Drops back to ldm.
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06:28
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: I fixed the issue with the site ;)
06:28
muppis: no tricks that I know of
06:32
<muppis>
alkisg, then there's something wrong in set up. :(
06:32
<alkisg>
Probably...
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10:07
<xekhz>
good fay
10:07
day
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10:13
<alkisg>
good bay. hay. lay. may. pay. ray. say. way.
10:13
...I think english men covered most of the possible words with 3 letters... :D
10:14
<highvolt1ge>
aye
11:05
<xekhz>
how can i get thinclient to automount USB=
11:05
?
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13:16
<etino>
Hi,
13:16
I've installed an LTSP server with ubuntu 12.04 on virtualbox environment.
13:18
The "virtual" thinclient start regulary, but when I log in, I get the message error "Failed to load session "ubuntu""
13:19
On the server syslog I get an error about x-session-manager (unable to find default provider 'metacity' and more)
13:21
There is here someone who can help me to give some info about this issue?
13:21
Thank in advance :-)
13:30
<alkisg>
etino: are you using ltsp-pnp?
13:31
!ltsp-pnp
13:31
<ltsp>
ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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13:35
<etino>
Hi @alkisg, no. I'm new on LTSP project and I've used ltsp-server-standalone package
13:36
<alkisg>
etino: 12.04 is quite old and has known issues, you should at least be using the greek schools ppa from that guide
13:36
!greek-schools-ppa
13:36
<ltsp>
greek-schools-ppa: https://launchpad.net/~ts.sch.gr/+archive/ppa/ supports LTS Ubuntu releases with newer LTSP versions, bug fixes etc
13:36
<alkisg>
E.g. compositing desktop like ubuntu did not work on 12.04 without the ppa
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13:36
<alkisg>
In general, new users should start with the ltsp-pnp guide *unless* it doesn't fit their needs
13:38
<etino>
@alkisg great info. Which version of ubuntu is recommended?
13:39
<alkisg>
etino: well... normally 16.04, while 12.04 is only for super stability, it's not maintained by ubuntu anymore except for some server parts only
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13:42
<alkisg>
etino, how many clients and what client specs, cpu/ram?
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13:42
<etino_>
@alkisg well, I've also an 16.04 yet installed with ltsp-server-standalone, I'will try to convert it
13:42
<alkisg>
If the clients are already booting with the non-pnp installation, keep it
13:43
<etino_>
For now is a test. I would install an LTSP network for 4/5 client inside a warehouse farm....
13:43
I don't have phisical client at the moment, I' working on virtual environment (virtualbox)
13:44
<alkisg>
Are you going to do desktop or server-related work on the clients?
13:44
<etino_>
I would create a thin client network with tn5250 client emulation terminal
13:45
<alkisg>
So the end users will only have a terminal emulation?
13:45
<etino_>
Yes
13:45
<alkisg>
OK then you don't need ltsp-pnp, it targets desktop users more
13:45
<etino_>
eventually a browser for intranet network...
13:46
but it could be not necessary... (browser)
13:46
Which kind of installation do you suggest in this case?
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14:58
<etino_>
@alkisg I've solved the issue. On the server there's not installed the package gnome-core. With an apt-get install gnome-core the issue has been resolved. However thank you for your support.
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19:26
<alkisg>
etino_, ubuntu unity doesn't use gnome-core
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20:08
<Chap_>
How do I add text to the ldm greeter page (beyond editing bg.png in the theme)?
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20:12* vagrantc forgets if that's possible
20:14
<Chap_>
I see some source hacks. Trying for a typical 'Use of this system means you accept the 50-page EULA'
20:14
<vagrantc>
it seems infeasible to cram a 50-page EULA into it
20:15
Chap_: you could drop an accept/cancel popup in /etc/X11/Xsession.d
20:16* Chap_ wonders if that play nicely with screensaver
20:16
<vagrantc>
you can put it in before the session manager kicks in
20:16
well, rather, it won't allow the screensaver to kick in
20:17
<Chap_>
Dig it. So before 55gnome-session_gnomerc
20:18
<vagrantc>
put it where it works :)
20:18
<Chap_>
heh
20:18
perhaps editing bg.png is the best method - I'm not looking to add another clickstep, just a 'Remember you signed something already' reminder
20:19
<vagrantc>
ah.
20:21
<Chap_>
And: vagrantc ogra_ jammcq2 stgraber it's wonderful to come into #ltsp ... 8? 10? years after my first login, and see the same friendly helpful folks. Thank you each (and everyone I don't recognize) for all you do.
20:26
<vagrantc>
Chap_: thanks!
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20:26
<vagrantc>
things have been a little slow the last few years
20:26
<Chap__>
Oh alkisg forgot you too
20:27
Yeah, but there are plenty of folks in the wild using the results of your efforts.
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20:28
<vagrantc>
good to know
20:28
if you care to, add yourself to the worldmap:
20:28
!worldmap | echo Chap__
20:28
<ltsp>
Chap__ worldmap: If you're using LTSP, please let the world know and share your story at http://www.ltsp.org/stories/ Your can add a nice pin to our world map at your location, plus your setup will count towards the global LTSP usage statistics.
20:31
<Chap__>
http://www.ltsp.org/stories/viewstory/?story_id=346&secret=af9e26 18 Mar 2013
20:31
Running LTSP since: 2004
20:35
<vagrantc>
Chap__: thanks for sharing!
20:36
<razielle_tzu>
i'll add my computer club when i finally get around to converting to ltsp-pnp from the standard/chroot version
20:47
<Chap__>
Cheers
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23:36
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, I got 16.04 working fine. :-)
23:38
Well actually sometimes clients don't boot properly, without much error messages, but it seems to kinda get stuck during or after mounting nbd... no errors on the server side. I think it's either a memory issue or network issue. Sessions work fine though, so I've decided they don't shutdown the clients for now.