IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 28 August 2012 (all times are UTC)
| 00:17 | <markit> just for record, the porblem with my bonding was... heat! With the case open, and the video board just below the 2 nics, after some time they started behave mad... at least, this is the current conclusion, lol
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| 04:37 | <qwebirc7673> anybody online? I'm having trouble with setting SCREEN_xx=rdesktop -f hostname All I get is a black screen with a white mouse pointer.
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| 04:37 | <qwebirc7673> No idea what the problem is, or really how to debug it.
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| 04:38 | <knipwim> qwebirc7673: what does the -f option do?
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| 04:38 | <qwebirc7673> full screen
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| 04:38 | I have SCREEN_02=xterm and from that xterm I can run the rdesktop command no problem.
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| 04:39 | I can ping the Terminal Server etc... but when I set SCREEN_03=rdesktop I get nothing (just the blank screen)
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| 04:47 | <dead_inside> i think there are some rdesktop config variables
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| 04:47 | one sec
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| 04:49 | leave SCREEN_03=rdesktop
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| 04:49 | set RDP_SERVER=ip.of.the.rdpserver
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| 04:50 | <dead_inside> qwebirc7673 ^^
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| 04:51 | if u need to pass the options
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| 04:51 | RDP_OPTIONS = "-f -u xxxxxxx -p xxxxxxx -k en-us"
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| 04:53 | <qwebirc7673> As best as I can tell you don't have to set RDP_OPTIONS or RDP_SERVER if you include all of it in the SCREEN_XX="xfreerdp <options> <hostname>"
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| 04:54 | I just took the screen.d/xterm script, made a copy and hacked it to work with xfreerdp and that's working just fine.
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| 04:54 | <dead_inside> lol cool, cant say i have ever actually used rdp, just found the config online
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| 04:54 | <qwebirc7673> Maybe a bug in the screen.d/xfreerdp script? Perhaps something that doesnt' work on CentOS? Not sure, but I have it working now
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| 04:55 | That said, I'm gonna try setting the RDP_ variabbles in lts.conf and seeing if that makes those scripts work.
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| 04:57 | <alkisg> qwebirc7673: what ltsp version does centos have?
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| 04:58 | <qwebirc7673> 5.2
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| 04:58 | Am I fighting a losing battle trying to run LTSP on CentOS6?
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| 04:58 | <alkisg> Yeah I think at that point there were some bugs at xfreerdp script...
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| 04:58 | <qwebirc7673> I know Ubuntu is the most typical distribution
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| 04:58 | <alkisg> Well if you've gone so far, it shouldn't matter now
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| 05:00 | <qwebirc7673> Hopefully someone will release an updated ltsp package for CentOS6 at some point
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| 05:06 | <knipwim> qwebirc7673: CentOS uses the fedora packages right?
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| 05:07 | <qwebirc7673> yip
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| 05:07 | are the Fedora packages still being maintained?
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| 05:10 | <knipwim> not at the moment I believe
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| 05:10 | but I heard warren was training a replacement for him
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| 05:11 | don't know if that includes the ltsp packages
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| 05:13 | qwebirc7673: btw, here is the most recent xfreerdp script (same as rdestkop)
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| 05:13 | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/view/head:/client/share/ltsp/screen.d/xfreerdp
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| 05:14 | <alkisg> !learn qwebirc as If you're planning to join this IRC channel via web multiple times, it might be a good idea to set some username by typing e.g. "/nick john123", so that channel members can identify you and remember your use case / previous questions etc
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| 05:14 | <ltsp> alkisg: The operation succeeded.
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| 05:15 | <dead_inside> lol
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| 05:15 | <dead_inside> he needed his own command
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| 05:15 | !ask alkisg
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| 05:15 | <ltsp> dead_inside: Error: "ask" is not a valid command.
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| 05:15 | <alkisg> It's true though, at first I got puzzled by the many qwebirc users, I thought he was the same one getting disconnected!
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| 05:15 | <dead_inside> !alkisg
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| 05:15 | <ltsp> dead_inside: alkisg: The LTSP oracle. Our beacon of hope in the world of LTSP. With the guidance of this divine emperor, we shall prevail.
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| 05:15 | <dead_inside> there we go
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| 05:15 | <alkisg> :P
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| 05:15 | <zeut> sorry 'bout that, never been much of an IRC guy...
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| 05:16 | Thanks for the link to the latest script. Gonna give that a shot in a few min.
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| 05:16 | <dead_inside> its all good zeut, just giving u a hard time :D
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| 05:17 | <zeut> no worries...
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| 05:19 | <knipwim> alkisg: btw I checked the break at 50-fstab, but it seems the initramfs is remounting rw
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| 05:19 | so my debugging will be concentrated on that
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| 05:20 | <alkisg> knipwim: and by remounting it ro at that point, did you see any improvement?
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| 05:20 | mount -o remount,ro /
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| 05:21 | <knipwim> no, it might be a good idea to do this manually in the initramfs
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| 05:21 | and see what happens
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| 05:21 | <alkisg> I think you could also try that in the 50-fstab shell, and see if it makes some init scripts behave differently...
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| 05:22 | <knipwim> smart!
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| 05:22 | <alkisg> So now basically the problem that's left is the ssh/login problem?
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| 05:22 | ...and /home/username mounting?
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| 05:22 | <knipwim> i guess, the ssh to the server
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| 05:23 | it authenticates on the server, but then logs in on the client
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| 05:23 | <alkisg> It'll boot as a fat client by default though
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| 05:23 | And also, we'll need some way to specify if we want a local /home or not
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| 05:23 | <knipwim> yes, the ltsp.server parameter really worked!
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| 05:24 | <alkisg> The current code logic is "if /home/username is on a different partition than /, it means that the sysadmin mounted it via other means, and we don't want to use a server sshfs mount"
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| 05:24 | But that logic isn't always sound
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| 05:24 | We could hide the local /home if needed in some cases...
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| 05:25 | <knipwim> where is that logic located?
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| 05:26 | in which file
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| 05:26 | <alkisg> in the login script that does the su / sudo part, let me check...
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| 05:26 | ./client/localapps/ldm-rc.d/X01-localapps
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| 05:27 | I think that we still need a way to override the defaults, but the current logic is sane, i.e.:
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| 05:27 | local boot with /home/username existing: it should be used, to save bandwidth
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| 05:28 | ...and to reuse the account data (if I'm logging in to some ltsp server from my laptop, I'd like to have my home mounted, not a new server home created for me)
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| 05:28 | local boot with /home/username missing: mount it from the server
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| 05:29 | Although there are still cases where I'd want to use the server /home/username even if a local one exists, hence the need for overriding this...
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| 05:29 | <knipwim> bbiab
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| 05:30 | <alkisg> So maybe PREFER_LOCAL_HOMEDIRS=True/False
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| 05:31 | Or, LOCAL_HOMEDIRS=one of "ALWAYS_LOCAL, PREFER_LOCAL, ALWAYS_SERVER"
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| 05:32 | And of course local homedirs only make sense for fat clients, not thins
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| 05:53 | <knipwim> alkisg: cool, i'll look at it later, my workday starts first :)
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| 05:53 | <alkisg> knipwim: sure, have a nice day
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| 05:55 | <knipwim> thx, you too
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| 06:09 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: why not put "ltsp_user[0-9]" instead of qwebirc as the user name, like we do with epoptes_user[0-9]?
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| 06:10 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: http://webchat.freenode.net/?nick=ltsp_user.&channels=ltsp&prompt=1
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| 06:11 | <vagrantc> Boo
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| 06:12 | Meh it shouldn't allow getting an irc name that's registered...
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| 07:28 | <ltspguest56> o hi
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| 07:51 | <markit> alkisg: hi, probably my bound problems were due to.... HEAT!
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| 07:51 | with the case open, the video board was "burning" the 2 nics above
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| 07:52 | since I booted with the old, sure working config, and everything was messy too
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| 07:52 | (btw, I've also update the switch firmware in the meantime, lol)
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| 07:53 | Witht the system cooled down, at least the old config was workinf fine, today (I've sleept too few hours) I'll try with the 12.04 one
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| 08:15 | <alkisg> Hehe, stupid heat problems... I'm using my laptop as a desktop pc, with an external monitor etc. And in order to have a completely silent environment, I'm putting the laptop in a ...drawer. This made my previous laptop's nvidia card overheat + burn a few years back.
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| 08:15 | Since then, I'm putting a completely frozen bottle of water in the drawer twice a day, and everything's fine!!! :D
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| 08:21 | <markit> alkisg: one hw question, one software: hw, I've moved the video card 1 slot below, the pc works, but wondered if is ok, or the "video pci-express" slot that MUST be used is the one near the cpu, the other only for SLI or whatever is called
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| 08:22 | * alkisg prefers onboard cards for the server, they don't need extra drivers and they don't overheat :) | |
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| 08:22 | <markit> the software one: I've no understanding of the sshkeys and certificate stuff. If I change the IP of the nic that faces the clients, do I have to ltsp-recreate-ssh? and what about epoptes and the certificate?
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| 08:23 | <alkisg> There are some differences in pci-e slots, some are x16, some x1 etc, but I haven't caught up with hw advances since the i386 era... if it works it should be ok
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| 08:23 | <markit> ehm, onboard card for "real" server has been a nightmare for me.. so unpower that were unable to manage the fullhd res screen of the teacher
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| 08:23 | maybe you don't have the teacher use the server :)
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| 08:23 | <alkisg> We do
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| 08:24 | <markit> oh, fujitsu server I had in a school had a miserable on board video, and no video slots :(
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| 08:24 | <alkisg> About the sshkeys: in newest ltsp versions we allow the server to change IP without having to run ltsp-update-sshkeys, I'm not sure if 12.04 contains that newer code or not (our ppa does)
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| 08:24 | About the epoptes keys: no ip checking is done
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| 08:24 | <markit> I had to put a nvidia card in a pciexpress 1x slot, really slow but much better than the "on board", in any case does not work fine. So next buy I asked for a "workstation" and not a server
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| 08:25 | <alkisg> For HD resolution, you can usually force that with xrandr
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| 08:25 | <markit> alkisg: oh, is there a way to have an updated ltsp with easy? Your ppa? Only in greek?
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| 08:25 | <alkisg> It contains the debian wheezy ltsp version
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| 08:26 | Don't update your ltsp installation with that, the newest ltsp has incompatible configuration files with the one shipped with 12.04. It's only meant for new installations.
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| 08:26 | <markit> alkisg: well, resolution and color depth, was so underpowered that you coudl not have both, and in any case was slow like hell in moving windows etc
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| 08:26 | "incompatible configuration files" urgh
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| 08:26 | <alkisg> PPAs don't have "languages", they have "packages"...
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| 08:27 | <markit> yep, I mean with only greek language support
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| 08:27 | <alkisg> It's upstream LTSP, not some special localized version of it...
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| 10:06 | <jimjimovich2> is there a way to access the variables in lts.conf in a bash script?
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| 10:06 | on the client
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| 10:09 | <knipwim> jimjimovich2: getltscfg -a
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| 10:17 | <jimjimovich2> knipwim: that's not working for me
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| 10:18 | <knipwim> are you logged in on a booted client
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| 10:18 | <jimjimovich2> yeah, as root
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| 10:18 | <knipwim> via a localapps xterm or something?
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| 10:18 | <jimjimovich2> the command prints all the variables then exports them
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| 10:18 | <knipwim> ah
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| 10:18 | <jimjimovich2> via Epoptes
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| 10:18 | but then when I echo the variable, i get a blank variable
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| 10:18 | <knipwim> that's what you asked right? a way to access the variables?
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| 10:18 | <jimjimovich2> yes
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| 10:19 | <knipwim> i don't think the command actually exports them
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| 10:19 | then you have to eval the getltscfg command
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| 10:19 | <jimjimovich2> how would one use them in a bash scrip?
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| 10:21 | never mind, i figured it out
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| 10:21 | the documentation was a bit confusing
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| 10:22 | <knipwim> eval $(getltscfg -a 2>/dev/null)
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| 10:22 | is actually used in ltsp to get the variables
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| 10:23 | if you use that in a script, you have the variables there
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| 10:23 | <jimjimovich2> thanks!
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| 10:23 | <knipwim> np
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| 10:41 | <sha_> hey, i don't get how to login to a windows-server from ldm. is this possible? at least there is a "select backend..."-box where you can select rdesktop, but how do you specify the server/rdp-session? I tried adding it to LDM_SERVER and don't have another idea
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| 10:42 | (i'm aware of additional rdp-sessions/scripts on another VTs...)
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| 10:46 | <knipwim> sha_: you specify the rdp server in your lts.conf
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| 10:46 | <Hyperbyte> sha_, SCREEN_07=rdesktop <arguments>
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| 10:46 | :)
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| 10:46 | <knipwim> for instance, SCREEN_05="rdesktop -u wim 192.168.0.20"
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| 10:47 | !rdesktop
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| 10:47 | <ltsp> knipwim: Error: "rdesktop" is not a valid command.
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| 10:48 | <knipwim> this calls for a wiki page :)
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| 10:49 | <sha_> but this would replace ldm, right?
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| 10:49 | <knipwim> not necesarily
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| 10:49 | depends on what you want
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| 10:50 | by default, the tty goes to tty7, which is configured with ldm
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| 10:50 | <sha_> i want to be able to choose within ldm between a linux- and a windows-session
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| 10:50 | <knipwim> when you set rdesktop to SCREEN_05, you can ctrl-alt-f5 to view the rdesktop screen
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| 10:50 | <sha_> yes
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| 10:51 | <knipwim> within ldm, i don't know
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| 10:51 | <sha_> but i'm really confused why there is a "select backend.."-box where you can choose rdesktop, when it's not possible to choose a rdp-session
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| 10:51 | <knipwim> Hyperbyte: ^^^ ?
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| 10:51 | sha_: it's probably possible, but i don't know it
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| 10:51 | <sha_> so what is this "select backend" used for?
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| 10:58 | <Hyperbyte> That's a very good question. :-)
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| 10:59 | <sha_> hmm :)
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| 10:59 | <Hyperbyte> Maybe one of the developers can answer that. :)
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| 11:00 | <Hyperbyte> What exactly do you want to do with rdesktop?
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| 11:00 | Do you want to let your users choose if they want to work on Windows or on Linux?
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| 11:00 | Or do you just want to make certain Windows applications available via rdesktop?
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| 11:02 | <sha_> no, just let the user choose. it'd be really nice to have that option while testing and migrating users to Linux, and also for a fallback for some time.
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| 11:03 | it would be much more elegant to let the user choose that from ldm instead of rebooting or to teach ctrl+alt+fn
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| 11:04 | especially since i disabled ctrl+alt+fn because the windows users are used to ctrl+alt+fn for their windows-app...
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| 11:04 | s/for/in/
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| 11:05 | <Hyperbyte> sha_, you could use a PXE menu I think
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| 11:05 | So during boot you can choose if you want rdesktop or ldm session
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| 11:05 | <sha_> i do that, but that still means rebooting
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| 11:05 | <Hyperbyte> But I suppose it's possible to select rdesktop backend via ldm to choose Windows session somehow
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| 11:05 | Thing is... I've never done it, and neither has knipwim from the looks of it. :)
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| 11:06 | <sha_> so yes, when it's not possible, that's the way to go... i'm just confused from the "select backend" box
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| 11:06 | <Hyperbyte> You need someone with experience with that, or a developer to tell you if it works and how.
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| 11:06 | <sha_> yeah, _if_ it's possible, it seems completely undocumented
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| 11:08 | <Hyperbyte> I'm also not convinced the menu screen script would require a reboot
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| 11:08 | See /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ltsp/screen.d/menu
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| 11:09 | It may even be the most elegant (from a user standpoint) way to do this, but also no experience with it.
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| 11:12 | <Bootless> hi i face currently the problem that our ltsp root server got unusable and i am setting up a new one but i get stucked at the point where the thinclient boots up. it says that it cannot find the image. i checked every config where a wrong path could be and found nothing. i checked the pxelinux.0 path too. i hope someone can give me a tipp. thanks
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| 11:19 | <Hyperbyte> Bootless, ls -al /opt/ltsp/images/
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| 11:19 | <Bootless> just gives the i386.img file
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| 12:31 | <Bootless> okay i found the problem. it was that i specified the path in the dhcp config and not just the filename
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| 12:31 | but now i am facing the problem that the root server choose himself as the appserver and not one of the configured ones. has anyone an idea?
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| 14:16 | <cliebow> how can i get rid of a stale nfs mount gracefully?
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| 14:43 | <Hyperbyte> cliebow, mount -f
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| 14:43 | Or rather
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| 14:43 | umount -f
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| 14:44 | <cliebow> much obliged!
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| 15:50 | <importudo> hi there
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| 15:51 | I just upgraded my lucid ubuntu to precise 12.04.1 but ltsp-build-client is anormal without giving any tip of what's happening
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| 15:52 | <alkisg> Can you paste the whole output to pastebin?
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| 15:52 | !pastebin
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| 15:52 | <ltsp> alkisg: pastebin: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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| 16:26 | <knipwim> alkisg: is ubuntu using server/configs/lts.conf ?
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| 16:26 | cause i like to use it as default for gentoo
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| 16:26 | <alkisg> knipwim: we're using it with `ltsp-config lts.conf`
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| 16:27 | I.e. manually, not as part of any postinst
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| 16:27 | We can override that too with distro specific lts.confs, if needed...
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| 16:27 | But we can also just talk about the default one, if different needs are expressed
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| 16:27 | <knipwim> the services in RM_SYSTEM_SERVICES are not generic
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| 16:28 | <alkisg> Ah yeah :(
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| 16:28 | <knipwim> so i'd like to comment them
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| 16:28 | same for RM_THIN_SYSTEM_SERVICES
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| 16:28 | else the file is fine
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| 16:28 | <alkisg> Hmmm...
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| 16:29 | <knipwim> i was also thinking of a better way to deal with these services cross distro
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| 16:29 | <alkisg> $ dpkg -L ltsp-server|grep lts.conf
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| 16:29 | /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/examples/lts.conf
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| 16:30 | <knipwim> like having a canonical services list, from which the specific distro versions can be looked up
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| 16:30 | <alkisg> So, we could make the existing lts.conf a "cross distro" one, and override it on debian/ubuntu from Debian/share/doc
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| 16:31 | <knipwim> in the meantime that would be a good one
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| 16:31 | <alkisg> I'm not sure if ltsp users would like that... let's compare services and see how different they are
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| 16:31 | <knipwim> gentoo has a Gentoo/configs btw
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| 16:32 | <alkisg> $ ls /etc/init /etc/init.d | pastebinit
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| 16:32 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1172110/
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| 16:32 | What services do you have in gentoo?
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| 16:32 | <knipwim> http://dpaste.com/792650/
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| 16:34 | a lot are the same
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| 16:36 | <alkisg> I don't have those, but of course I don't have e.g. xinetd installed etc: http://paste.debian.net/186070/
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| 16:37 | So, let's see, can we map any of those to debian/ubuntu services?
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| 16:37 | If not, there's no point in trying to do cross distro service mapping...
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| 16:39 | I think only a few, syslog etc, probably not worth the additional documentation + lookup overhead...
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| 16:40 | <knipwim> true
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| 16:40 | <brandont> Where can i find a full list of what can be done with lts.conf? man lts.conf seems incomplete
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| 16:40 | <knipwim> some are one-to-many i think
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| 16:40 | or even many-to-many
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| 16:40 | <alkisg> Yeah... fuse / mountall, no mapping there
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| 16:40 | <knipwim> brandont: what are you missing?
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| 16:41 | <thebwt> knipwim: not sure I managed to find cups_server via random googling, that made life easier
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| 16:41 | knipwim: I'm just wondering what other arcane insights I can glance from it
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| 16:41 | <knipwim> alkisg: btw, you put them in /doc because they're examples and not (yet) actual configs?
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| 16:41 | <alkisg> knipwim: so I'd vote for RM_*_SERVICES to be distro-specific... do comment out RM_*_SERVICES from the existing lts.conf, or only leave some "common" services there, and we can override it in debian/ubuntu in the next release
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| 16:41 | knipwim: no, the idea is that we don't want a config by default
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| 16:42 | So we ship examples, and when the sysadmin runs ltsp-config lts.conf, ltsp-config dnsmasq, ltsp-config dhcpd, then we copy them to actual locations
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| 16:42 | And we're presumably supporting localized configuration files even
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| 16:42 | <knipwim> yeah, i was looking at the code, the examples are put into /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/examples
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| 16:42 | <alkisg> E.g. for greece, the sch-scripts package ships its own lts.conf, in greek, but we're still using ltsp-config lts.conf to install it
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| 16:43 | <knipwim> cool
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| 16:43 | localized packages
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| 16:44 | <alkisg> thebwt: whatever's not in lts.conf, can only be found by looking at the code or mailing lists or googling, but every one you find that's not in lts.conf is worth a bug report so that we include it
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| 16:44 | <thebwt> alkisg: understood, thanks!
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| 16:44 | <alkisg> *in the man page, I meant
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| 16:44 | <thebwt> i figured
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| 16:53 | <alkisg> knipwim: do you think it's a good idea to put the documentation for the lts.conf variables inside the code itself (where each one is defined/used), and have a tiny script generate the lts.conf manpage?
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| 16:54 | Another idea is to only have a small header inside the docs, e.g. # LTSVAR: xxx, TYPE: yyy, DEFAULT: zzz
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| 16:55 | This can give us a complete variable list, but we still need to manually document them
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| 16:56 | <knipwim> document each use of a variable seems like a lot of duplicate code
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| 16:56 | for instance, SERVER gets used a lot
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| 16:56 | <alkisg> No, not each use, only once
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| 16:56 | The first time where it's used/defined
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| 16:57 | <knipwim> how do you know if it's defined or not?
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| 16:57 | <alkisg> There are a few variables that get used a lot, but I don't think we'll have problems selecting one place to document them
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| 16:57 | Most variables are used in only 1 script, though
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| 16:58 | <knipwim> it seems like a lot of work
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| 16:58 | and we have to be 100% thorough to catch them all
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| 16:59 | <alkisg> E.g. I'd document SERVER in ./client/share/ltsp/init-ltsp.d/04-server
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| 16:59 | <knipwim> or else we're just as complete as the current solution
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| 16:59 | <alkisg> True, but the good thing is that then when we introduce new variables, we'll always document them, as it doesn't need a separate push in ltsp-docs
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| 17:00 | <knipwim> ah, i got a nice one, NBD_ROOT_HOST at the start of 03-kernel-cmdline
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| 17:00 | <knipwim> isn't defined anywhere
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| 17:00 | as far as i can tell
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| 17:00 | <alkisg> We can also create a small script that greps for `set_lts_var`
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| 17:01 | Or for CAPS=
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| 17:01 | (although that's supposedly the wrong thing to set a var...)
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| 17:01 | *way
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| 17:02 | <knipwim> isnt there a bashdoc syntax or something?
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| 17:02 | <alkisg> And yet another idea is to ditch ltsp-docs and maintain the list in the wiki, along with the ltsp version/distros where each var is supported, and then extract the manpage out of the wiki page
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| 17:04 | In the future, I want to develop an lts.conf editor, so the vars list + type + default + documentation will be handy there
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| 17:04 | <knipwim> i like the code idea better, like the help2man idea you had
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| 17:04 | with that solution the ltsp-build-client man page was really distro specific
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| 17:04 | <alkisg> Or, I could maintain them in the editor, and extract the manpage out of the editor code...
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| 17:04 | Yeah help2man and scripts are very handy in those cases
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| 17:06 | <knipwim> dinner is almost ready here
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| 17:07 | we'll probably continue this discussion later :)
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| 17:07 | <alkisg> Have a nice appetite :)
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| 17:51 | <alkisg> ogra: any recommendations for an arm-based *fat* client LTSP lab?
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| 17:51 | (i.e. >= 1 Gb RAM...)
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| 17:51 | Does this sound ok? http://www.solid-run.com/products/cubox/
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| 18:00 | <ogra> alkisg, still hard to get anything with >1G
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| 18:01 | <alkisg> =1 gb is good enough, I saw some in http://raymii.org/cms/p_Small_Linux_PCs_overview ...
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| 18:01 | <alkisg> ogra_, we won't have trouble netbooting them, will we?
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| 18:02 | <ogra_> for =1G i woudl go with pandas or the mx6 sabrelite
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| 18:02 | <ogra_> and netbooting really depends
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| 18:03 | the pandas and mx6 boards surely can do it ... but it depends on the HW (do you actually have a proper NIC, usually its just USB etc )
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| 18:03 | <alkisg> We want to do a pilot program with a school lab consisting of one amd64 server and 12 arm clients...
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| 18:03 | <ogra_> ah, nice
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| 18:03 | i think wyse (or now dell) produces some actual arm thin clients
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| 18:08 | <alkisg> Oooh 2 Gb RAM, 4 max: http://www.wyse.com/products/cloud-clients/thin-clients/D50D
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| 18:09 | <ogra_> "with a dual-core AMD 1.4 GHz"
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| 18:10 | <knipwim> or the raspberry pi, but that has far less mem http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=558
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| 18:10 | <ogra_> LOL
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| 18:10 | <ogra_> you realyl dont want to run a fat client on a RPi
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| 18:11 | hell, you dont want to run *more than one app* on a RPi
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| 18:11 | <alkisg> Yeah it sounded more of thin client material
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| 18:11 | <ogra_> RPi is crappy overly expensive HW that you can use to build harddis recorders
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| 18:11 | <alkisg> That looks reasonable... though a bit expensive, like all wyse thin clients...: http://www.wyse.com/products/cloud-clients/thin-clients/T50
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| 18:12 | <ogra_> if you want something for an equivalent price but actually use it, get a beaglebone
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| 18:12 | <ogra_> alkisg, look which OS it comes with ;)
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| 18:12 | <alkisg> ;)
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| 18:14 | <markit> I've to move a dir in almost all accounts .tuxpaint/saved/ to a new location, i.e. Images/saved, any easy to do loop?
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| 18:14 | <markit> btw, I blanked /etc/passwd by mistake, thanks God a passwd- existed
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| 18:16 | <alkisg> markit: is that dir root-owned or inside the user home dir, user-owned?
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| 18:16 | And, move it or copy it?
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| 18:17 | <markit> alkisg: I'm acting as sudo, I've "migrated" the accounts and the home dir, but now I've changed the default save dir of tuxpaint, and want to move the content
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| 18:17 | from "old default position" to the new one, preserving ownership and ACL
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| 18:18 | <alkisg> So, from /home/username/.tuxpaint/saved to /home/username/Images/saved ?
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| 18:18 | <markit> mabe I should master the find and {}whatever command
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| 18:18 | exactly
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| 18:18 | for all users, dir could also not exist
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| 18:18 | (i.e. teachers maybe have none)
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| 18:20 | <alkisg> Something like this: sudo -i; cd /home; for dir in */.tuxpaint/saved; do user=${dir%/.tuxpaint/saved}; echo mv $user/.tuxpaint/saved $user/Images/saved; done
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| 18:20 | Remove the "echo" part if you see proper results
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| 18:21 | Btw it's much easier to do such stuff from autologin scripts
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| 18:22 | You don't mess with loops that way, and you even have $XDG_* variables available, in case you want to move something to Documents, and you have multilingual students, so it can be e.g. Έγγραφα for them...
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| 18:23 | * alkisg wishes english folders were used in all cases, and nautilus localized them, instead of them being localized in the file system... | |
| 18:23 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, 100% agreed
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| 18:24 | <markit> autologin to move files? never used autologin scripts so far, I'll have a look
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| 18:24 | alkisg: btw, thanks a lot for the above script
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| 18:25 | <alkisg> Erm sorry not "autologin", just "login" scripts
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| 18:25 | That check for pending sysadmin-related jobs, and if any exists, run them
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| 18:26 | <alkisg> (from inside the user session, not as root)
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| 18:27 | Adding settings and bookmarks, moving files etc can be easily done this way
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| 18:56 | <markit> I know kde has something like that that can be done in javascript (sigh) and are of 2 flavours, one done each login, the other only once and then no more
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| 20:14 | <jammcq> hey friends
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| 20:17 | * vagrantc waves to jammcq | |
| 20:17 | <alkisg> !j
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| 20:17 | <ltsp> alkisg: j: jammcq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 20:17 | <jammcq> :)
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| 20:30 | <Hyperbyte> Hey jammcq :)
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| 20:30 | <jammcq> hey Hyperbyte
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| 20:31 | <Hyperbyte> How's things? :)
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| 20:32 | <jammcq> things are good. busy as always
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| 20:32 | <Hyperbyte> Good. :) You gonna make the meeting thursday?
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| 20:33 | <jammcq> yeah, i'll be around
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| 20:33 | <Hyperbyte> Awesome. :)
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| 21:03 | <elias_a> Meeting? IRL? You gotta be joking! :D
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