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Channel log from 27 April 2011   (all times are UTC)

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<ki>
can we detect usb in kiosk mode
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<muppis>
jetpipe doesn't start after image rebuild.
01:49
<ki>
can we detect usb in kiosk mode
01:51
<muppis>
ki, looked here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev
01:58
<ki>
hey i have done this...but it is not getting detecting
01:59
<alkisg>
ki/viks, please don't do private pings, ask in the channel instead
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02:02
<ki>
viks?
02:04
when m doing lsmod | grep fuse ....it is showing noting
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<muppis>
jetpipe doesn't start after image rebuild. lts.conf is same as it used to be. Missing something?
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<robehend11>
would it make more sense to go with a RAID 10 array or an Intel SSD for my root drive? I'm currently getting I/O issues on my Raid5, so looking to fix it.
05:20
home drives are mounted via NFS, so those arent a concern
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<dgroos>
ping alkisg
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05:33
<blueonyx>
hi, where do i create new users for my thin clients? in the chroot? i can login with a user from the server, but not long after the thin client freezes :/
05:36
<robehend11>
Make the users on the server, not the chroot.
05:36
<dgroos>
blueonyx: Don't know about the freezes, but I do know that I'm not able to create users while sitting at the client, I can't authenticate there. I use NX to go to the server and make them there.
05:38
<blueonyx>
but an admin user should be created in the chroot (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/CreateChrootAdminAcct) ?
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<robehend11>
blueonyx: the user created in that wiki page is for administration purposes, nothing more. For your average user, go ahead and make them on the server like normal, either through the GUI or via CLI
05:40
<alkisg>
dgroos: pong?
05:41
dgroos: there's a policykit setting that will allow you to create users even if you run "users-admin" from a thin client
05:42
<dgroos>
alkisg: I wanted to let you know... Thanks so much for your help yesterday. I did indeed find the problem in the cabling...
05:43
A student had plugged an ethernet cable back into a drop, effectively taking the cabling from the server to a switch to another switch back to the first switch.
05:43
patojos!
05:44
<robehend11>
dgroos: Don't you love students and their "creative" actions?
05:44
<dgroos>
I don't want to think how long it would have taken me to troubleshoot that one if you hadn't eliminated all other issues. :)
05:45
robehend11: Ah yes!
05:46
<alkisg>
dgroos: vbox is very handy in those cases, it eliminates other possible causes :)
05:47
<dgroos>
I'll be ready for it next time!
05:47
<alkisg>
You're welcome, and good luck with your students
05:47
<dgroos>
:) I think I know who it was...
05:47
<alkisg>
(my students know better than to do such stuff, I scare them enough when the year begins :))
05:48
<robehend11>
I recently took all of the mice away, and booted them into the terminal, as they were destroying mice. Haven't had a problem since
05:50
<dgroos>
I had to do a similar thing though not quite so drastic a couple months ago because there was someone castrating the mice.
05:50
And yes, haven't had problems since.
05:51
<muppis>
Any idea why jetpipe doesn't start? Worked fine before rebuilding client image.
05:52
lts.conf is untouch.
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<dgroos>
have a good day...
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<Roasted_>
hey fellas
07:12
<blueonyx>
how to debug freezing thin clients? the five red dots get shown, but then nothing happens, terminalserver and network is idling :/
07:12
<Roasted_>
how long do they sit at 5 red dots?
07:12
indefinitely?
07:13
<blueonyx>
didnt test it that long, but now like 2min at least
07:13
<Roasted_>
I'm just curious if you'd let it run for significantly longer, just to see what happens.
07:14
every now and then I get 1 that hangs for longer than the others
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<blueonyx>
yea sometimes i get to login and it hangs afterwards :/
07:14
<robehend11>
blueonyx: what version? 10.04, 10.10?
07:14
<Roasted_>
how far is the server from the client
07:15
physically
07:15
tried other cat5's, etc?
07:15
<blueonyx>
robehend11: 10.04
07:15
<robehend11>
blueonyx: did you apply the nbd_proxy fix?
07:15
<blueonyx>
dont think so
07:15
<robehend11>
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/589034
07:15
<blueonyx>
kthx will try
07:15
<robehend11>
in the comments, alkisg gives instructions to fix. Worked on all of my units, multiple installs
07:15
<Roasted_>
is that a 10.04 bug?
07:16
or does 10.10 exhibit it as well?
07:16
<robehend11>
10.10 as well, but 11.04 is getting the new Upstream repo, which fixes it, I believe
07:16
<Roasted_>
I see.
07:16
Wonder why I n ever ran into it.
07:16
I have 3 installs with 10.10
07:17
<robehend11>
its a hit or miss thing. Sometimes, you'll get it 9/10 times, other times, you'll go weeks without it. Disabling NBD proxy doesnt do anything, as if I remember right, it only really affects ltsp_cluster
07:17
<blueonyx>
why do i always run into stuff like this? -.-
07:17
<robehend11>
blueonyx: because learning is fun!
07:17
<Roasted_>
hm
07:17
good tip to know
07:18
and the symptom is the clients just simply never booting and hanging at the splash screen?
07:18
<blueonyx>
xD
07:18
<robehend11>
yes. Your dots will fill up, but nothing happens
07:18
if you turn off the splash, it appears the nbd_proxy is hanging. So, we turn it off.
07:19
<Roasted_>
that can be done via F12 right
07:19
on the fly
07:19
<robehend11>
not sure, to be honest. Never tried.
07:19
Ever since Alkisg showed me this, I've just been applying it. Its worked great now for 9 months +
07:21
<Roasted_>
I noticed if you hit F12 on regular ubuntu machines it switches the splash screen to be terminal
07:21
so you can see the processes shutting down
07:21
I've done it once or twice when my shutdown speed on my laptop took longer than expected
07:21
just to see what was going on
07:21
<alkisg>
Esc does that too, afaik
07:22
<Roasted_>
I just jumped the gun one time to hit the boot menu of a dell box which was F12 and I realized (wasn't watching the screen) it wasn't shut down yet, but was alternating with each key stroke from purple/ubuntu to black terminal.
07:22
<alkisg>
Btw nbd-proxy is now disabled upstream (at least until it's fixed), so the steps to disable it are simpler, one just has to download a recent version of ltsp_nbd
07:23
<robehend11>
alkisg: thats rolled into 11.04, correct?
07:23
<alkisg>
I think so, I haven't tried 11.04 yet
07:23
<Roasted_>
installing 11.04 edubuntu as we speak actually...
07:23
<robehend11>
i *think* i saw it in the packages. I just realized 11.04 comes out tommorrow, so figured I should try to play with it
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<alkisg>
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/changes ==> it's the revision 1803
07:24
I believe 11.04 has a newer ltsp version than that
07:24
<robehend11>
works for me.
07:25
<blueonyx>
thanks robehend11 seems to work now :))
07:26
<robehend11>
blueonyx: no prob.
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<blueonyx>
the thing: i can mount usbsticks/cdrom as user just fine, but not the local harddrive? do you have a link for this too?
07:32
<alkisg>
In lts.conf, put LOCALDEV_DENY_INTERNAL_DISKS=False
07:32
By default it's True for security
07:32
<blueonyx>
ah nice
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07:36
<Roasted_>
anybody know offhand... does the chroot need both italc keys or just the public one?
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<blueonyx>
alkisg: LOCALDEV_DENY_INTERNAL_DISKS=False seems not to change anything :/
07:49
ah im using the wrong file xD
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<blueonyx>
but /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf doesnt seem to work either :/
08:01
<alkisg>
blueonyx: that allows ltspfsd to show your internal drives, isn't that what you want?
08:02
<blueonyx>
alkisg: i see them already, but only root is allowed to mount them, i either want them to mount on boot or let a user do that
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<alkisg>
blueonyx: as root on the client, what do you get if you run this?
08:05
getltscfg -a
08:07
<blueonyx>
alkisg: i get my lts.conf and corresponding exports
08:07
<alkisg>
And yet the local disks were not automatically mounted on boot? Weird
08:08
<blueonyx>
no
08:08
how about the LOCAL_APPS_EXTRAMOUNTS variable?
08:09
<alkisg>
No that's for extra server mounts
08:09
Not local disks
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08:09
<blueonyx>
okay
08:10
<alkisg>
What's the output of `fdisk -l` ?
08:10
<blueonyx>
everything i would expect
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08:10
<alkisg>
Can we see it?
08:10
Pastebin etc?
08:11
<blueonyx>
alkisg: http://pastebin.com/KmMCV2at
08:12
<alkisg>
And `mount` doesn't show anything mounted, right?
08:12
(ltspfs related)
08:13
<blueonyx>
alkisg: only my usbstick
08:15
also the partition i'm interested in is an lvm one :>
08:16
but there is also a simple /boot partition
08:16
and i can mount it as root
08:17
<alkisg>
Well at least sdb3 should be automounted
08:17
<blueonyx>
yep
08:18
<alkisg>
Here's some old info about debugging localdevs, not all of it applies though: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev
08:19
<Roasted_>
Dumb question - if I want to get into LTSP Clustering, where do I start? I'm googling for a few guides but I figured you guys would know which is the best out there. There's quite a few.
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<blueonyx>
lsmod | grep fuse doesnt show anything, but the packages are installed and /dev/fuse exists :/
08:22
<alkisg>
Don't worry about fuse, that part has changed in recent ubuntu versions
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<blueonyx>
there is also no more /var/run/ltspfs_fstab?
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<blueonyx>
hm timeserver also does not to be set. am i really writing the right lts.conf? O.o
08:35
<Roasted_>
what do you mean it doesnt need to be set?
08:35
I have mine set
08:35
*shrug*
08:36
<blueonyx>
Roasted_: timeserver set?
08:36
<Roasted_>
I have timeserver and timezone in mine
08:36
<blueonyx>
me to, but it doesnt get applied, i still have my wrong bios time :/
08:37
<Roasted_>
hahahahaha
08:37
I wonder if you're having the same issue I had
08:37
<blueonyx>
oh ip address
08:37
<Roasted_>
yeah
08:37
TIMESERVER=1.2.3.4
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<blueonyx>
also shutdown does just freeze the thinclient O.o
08:39
<Roasted_>
what shutdown
08:39
the shutdown option in lts?
08:39
<blueonyx>
no in gnome at the top right
08:39
<Roasted_>
oh, really?
08:40
<blueonyx>
ah with ip the timeserver works :)
08:40
gtg thanks for everything :))
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<shawnp0wers>
I have a (probably) simple question: How do I specify in my dhcpd.conf file which LTSP image a client retrieves from the server?
09:26
is it the option root-path that determines that?
09:26
(I actually thought "option root-path" was deprecated, so maybe not)
09:27
For example, if I have /opt/ltsp/i386 /opt/ltsp/kiosk  I'm not sure how to tell the client which image to load (obviously from /opt/ltsp/images)
09:29
<abeehc>
i don't use root-path
09:29
<shawnp0wers>
abeehc: Niether do I, but I'm uncertain how to differentiate between multiple NBD images via dhcpd.conf
09:30
<abeehc>
i get away with just the two entries; next-server SERVERIP; filename "/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0";
09:30
from there the only way to tell clients to pickup different images is to create a group and add specific clients via mac?
09:31
<shawnp0wers>
right, but how do I tell it to use a different image? :)
09:31
change the filename?
09:31
<abeehc>
so i do have that for my testing server and client; a group under the first pool with different filename and next server settings, that includes my test client via mac "hardware ethernet x.xx.x."
09:31
<shawnp0wers>
is there a separate pxelinux.0 file for each image created?
09:31* shawnp0wers wanders off to look
09:31
<abeehc>
there's a seperate one for each arch i guess
09:32
the dhcp thing is based on the root of tftp so in my case /var/lib/tftpboot
09:32
in there you'd expect ltsp/kiosk/pxelinux.0 if you were to change the filename
09:34
i haven't finished my first coffee though so yeah
09:34
<shawnp0wers>
abeehc: Thanks, I didn't realize it would create a separate tftp folder for each image I create.
09:34
(recreating a kiosk install now to test)
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<abeehc>
bleh I can't get my lts.conf to apply still
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<hughessd>
Has anyone has success running Office 2007 through Crossover in an LTSP environment? It works, basically, but is unbearably slow.
13:20
<abeehc>
followed these instructions https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients on 10.04 ... my lts.conf http://pastebin.com/Zy14nm12 getltscfg -a on a boooted client is empty
13:21
<hughessd>
oops, office 2003, not 2007
13:22
<Mava>
abeehc: where is the lts.conf file located you are editting +
13:23
<abeehc>
it's /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
13:23
<Mava>
k, then its right one
13:24
<abeehc>
at one point I had fat-i386 and i386 in that ltsp folder and was running into this issue so i blew them away and started form scratch; now only i386 all across the board
13:25
<Gadi>
abeehc: check your tftp server's config
13:25
<Mava>
mm, good point also
13:25
<Gadi>
perhaps it got changed to /srv/tftp on you
13:25
<abeehc>
it did
13:25
thanks very much
13:27
<Mava>
nice that it was solved in a such easy way =)
13:28
btw, any ideas when the ubuntu 11 will be out +
13:29
<highvoltage>
tomorrow
13:30
<Mava>
tomorrow?
13:30
that soon o.0
13:30
<highvoltage>
well, depending on your timezone. if you're in australia, then today
13:31
<Mava>
hehe
13:31
but it's just about to come.. nice thing must admit... just earlier today i was wondering that when will tha be
13:32
<abeehc>
unity sorta scares me
13:41
<robehend11>
I've used unity, am happy with it. But not without good video card support. the 2d unity wasnt fun
13:42
<abeehc>
I found the same when playing with netbook a while back; 2d had a number of bugs that really made it unusable for the purpose i want
13:42
i'm just afraid of change, haha
13:42
<robehend11>
well, depends on how far back you go though. its alot better on the RC than then original release.
13:43
<highvoltage>
indeed. if you're going to rate unity, you should really do so on the latest versions
13:43
<abeehc>
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/netbook-launcher-efl/+bug/572234 i imagine this is goin nowhere and has no relevance anymore
13:44
<robehend11>
i haven't had a problem with unity on the most recent release candidate. running it on my laptop, actually
13:49
<alkisg>
What are the advantages of Unity?
13:49
<robehend11>
Easier for first timers to use
13:49
<abeehc>
i think, to some extent, it's touch ready
13:50
<alkisg>
So for us old timers without touch screen... :-/
13:50
<abeehc>
hehe it also has the shared title bar like osx
13:50
<robehend11>
it also uses limited screen sizes very well
13:50
ha, the shared bar is one thing i dont like about it. but i've never liked it, even on osx
13:51
<abeehc>
i look forward to giving it a shot
13:51
i'm hoping to use my mouse a lot less
13:51
we should all aspire to using our mice a lot less;0-
13:51
<robehend11>
thats what Gnome-Do is for haha
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<alkisg>
In Linux (as opposed to many other OSes), and because of good package developers, everything is well organized in the menus. I can easily tell the students to "go to applications > graphics > gimp". The equivalent on Android or on Windows is much much worse. I hope Unity doesn't break that menu organization.
13:55
<robehend11>
It does, and it doesnt, sadly
13:55
its more of a throwback to the old AOL idea of keywords. Now, when you click the "ubuntu" icon, you get a pop up with a search window
13:55
type in the keyword, say "Gimp", and it'll search your apps, pull up gimp, and let you click on it
13:56
I also think there is an "applications" button, which lets you go scroll. But I just use the search bar alot
13:57
<abeehc>
i'm pretty sure that functionality is tied to desktop.org specs? pretty sure unity will adhere in any case
13:57
spec might be a strong word..
13:57
<robehend11>
question is, will Canonical follow them, or forge their own way, like they have with Unity?
13:58
<abeehc>
my impression is they are following xdg and most of that stuff we are accustomed to already
13:59
<robehend11>
i'm excited to see what comes out of it all. I wasn't a fan of Gnome3, so Unity is good to have as an alternative before I looked more at lxde, kde, xfce, etc
14:02
<alkisg>
The good thing is that it's not introduced in an LTS version, so /me can happily stay in his 10.04 until unity matures... :)
14:03
<robehend11>
agreed
14:03
I only use LTS's on my production boxes, so i've got a few years to worry
14:03
<alkisg>
I'll put natty on some of my kids PCs to hear their thoughts though
14:03
<robehend11>
I'm gonna keep Natty on my Netbook, I think. The interface just uses the screen very well
14:04
<vagrantc>
natty can read thoughts? creepy.
14:04
<andygraybeal>
omg omg omg omg abeehc ! i got it to work with your guidance! thank you.... i didn't have my dhcpd config'ed correctly.
14:04
<robehend11>
I can actually browse with Chromium and not have to fullscreen all the time
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<abeehc>
i cant' recall what trouble you were running into but that's good to hear andygraybeal
14:06
robehend11: similiarly I do intent do try on my laptop... that remains a 1024x768 experience haha
14:07
<andygraybeal>
understandable, i am trying to do libvirt/kvm ltsp host and client for test environment. i couldn't get my clients to boot properly.
14:07
bridging was fine, tftpd was fine... routing line in dhcpd was wrong!
14:07
<abeehc>
oh yeah libvirt is my lover
14:07
i cheat on esxi all day long
14:07
<andygraybeal>
nice
14:12
<alkisg>
(/me just netbooted natty) - well, at least alt+ctrl+t still invokes a terminal, I don't care about the rest of the GUI :P
14:20
Hey, not bad, much better than I feared
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<andygraybeal>
hah, this is awesome, so my virtual client boots, but it boots to a terminal prompt... did i not install a desktop?
14:34
does installing ltsp-standalone-server also install gnome-desktop ?
14:34
<alkisg>
I don't think so
14:34
E.g. you might have a separate application server, or you might want kde
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<andygraybeal>
aah okay
14:37
so that's probaly why i don't have a desktop
14:37
that makes sense alkisg
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<andygraybeal>
i'm so excited! i got ltsp testing environment!
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<andygraybeal>
i can't wait to test ltsp with a lighter weigth desktop than gnome :)
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