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If I test a new LTSP server installation with 1 PC, should it be connected to the server through a switch or is it possible to test connecting the cable directly to the client PC?
elias_a, you can test it directly
cyberorg: Thanks - don't I even need a crossed pair cable?
I have a new installation and it does not give an address to the client - that's why I am asking.
elias_a, nopes, not since many years :)
elias_a, check logs, make sure dhcp server is setup properly
cyberorg: Will do - thanks!
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About ltsp-cluster in Karmic
If I try to install ltsp-cluster-lbaserver I got this
update-rc.d: warning: ltsp-cluster-lbserver stop runlevel arguments (0 1 6) do not match LSB Default-Stop values (1) [fail]
* Starting ltsp-cluster-lbserver...
invoke-rc.d: initscript ltsp-cluster-lbserver, action "start" failed.
So should I start testing with Hardy or Jaunty + ltsp-cluster-team's PPA
or should I wait for final Karmic?
I use KVM based server and real thin client for testing
My KVM based Karmic LTSP server works just fine
and now I like to do some first testing with ltsp-cluster on KVM
Well, I go for Jaunty + PPA, bye
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anyone using HP T5545? I wonder what nic they use, mine does a kernel panic when it loads the initrd, and i'm 2 hours trainride from the client.
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Hi All. I have a strange problem. Ltsp client boots fast and successfully when I use dlink DES-1024D switch for network. The clents boots slower and stops after the progress bar becomes white when I use HP ProCurve Switch 1700-24.
I think the problem is in eth0 auto-negotiation. How I can configure eth0 (disable auto-negotiation, sets 100Mbit full duplex)?
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i got a little question, my client is an nettop ION330 from asrock, it work nicely but i have to install the nvidia driver to get gpu acceleration, we installed firefox with flash so it would be nice to have the gpu accel. Where do i install the nvidia drivers, in the chroot or in the main system ?
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How I can enable root console on ltsp-client?
yoshi__: I think, it should be in the chroot. But I don't sure that acceleration works over network.
dkostousov: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd u
sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd
yoshi__: I should run ltsp-update-image from the chroot?
from the main system
the rest is in the chroot env
if you have an 64 bit main system and 32 bit client chroot you should add the option --arch i386 to the update command
Or you can put SCREEN_02=shell SCREEN_07=ldm in lts.conf, and switch to vt2 with alt+ctrl+f2 (no ltsp-update-image needed for that method)
I use x86_64 server and i586 clients. Will chroot works on it?
dkostousov: that in seperate lines, i.e.:
How I can enable full boot output on client? I have strange problem with new switch.
sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
and remove quiet splash from the end of the first line
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yoshi__: to use the nvidia drivers on the clients, you need to install them on the chroot
...and also put some lts.conf options to load them
alkisg: acceleration works over network???
Well first of all he's talking about localapps...
...and second, yes, some acceleration like xv does work over the network
alkisg: tx i figured it out in the mean time, now for installing the nvidea driver i have to use the mediabuntu reposistory, is it enough to put this into the main system or do i have to put that repository also in the chroot ?
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yoshi__: what ubuntu version is that?
No medibuntu repo needed
ok tx :)
How did you install the chroot? With the alternate cd?
what ltsp-update-image does?
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dkostousov: it compresses /opt/ltsp/i386 into /opt/ltsp/images/<squashfs image>
i installed the main system with alternate but not using de F4 switch, aftert the normal install i did apt-get install ltsp-server-stand...
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dkostousov: you always have to do this if you install something or change something in the chroot
hmm... I thought)
yoshi__: I don't remember if the restricted repository gets into the chroot with that method. Check if it's there, or copy your server's sources.list into the chroot.
because we build a new image that has to go to the clients
thought that client uses /opt/ltsp/i386 over nfs
dkostousov: what distro?
alkisg: i installed with sudo ltspbuildclient
so its there yes :)
OK, I think in previous versions only the main repo was put into the chroot
I use Fedora 11
dkostousov: yeah, we were talking about ubuntu and we got mixed up :)
Personally I don't know what fedora uses, it may use nfs...
it does ... slower but you dont need to update the image
How is it to configure network card params for a client?
|04:56||* alkisg wants to do a squashfs/nbd versus partition/nbd speed comparison :)|
oh, partition, i read directory :P
alkisg, i doubt you seem much speed difference, but a lot more network traffic
Urm, if I don't get reduced speed due to more network bandwidth, then no problem there
given that the unsquashing of the contents happens on read clientside ... vs transferring uncompressed data if you use a partition
Does squashfs require more memory than partition?
well, try it with 50-100 clients :P
dkostousov, nope, that will be about the same
....well, so I'll see speed differences :)
the uncompressing will use a tiny bit more CPU power on the client though
I don't think that's a problem usually ... even on ancient clients
alkisg, it might be measurable slower, but i doubt you "feel" it
For fat clients it would be nice to have the chroot in a seperate partition
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It would give us the ability to boot with the chroot, and graphically administer the system
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as i said, the speed difference wont be significant
the bandwith usage will
yeah, but if the bandwidth affects the speed with e.g. 20 clients, then it's not worth it
i doubt it will affect speed in that amount, but in big setups you will notice
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Then it will be a nice solution for school labs :)
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why can't a ritch guy not startup a developers group who are getting payed to develop ltsp :)
so we can have an opensource citrix an ts solution with more options
where is richard branson when you need him :)
hm, i don't know citrix. what is ltsp lacking in your opinion?
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I try to use usb flash drive on ltsp client. The flash is mounted properly but all non-ascii chars looks like "?".
Where I should set encoding or codepage?
Uhm that was fixed about 6-8 months ago upstream. Would it be in Fedora 11?
alkisg, fedora might not default to UTF-8 for the system locales
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which gets you in all sorts of encoding probs
not sure though
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Fedora's default locale: en_US.UTF-8
well, then it should work with the fixed ltspfs
though not sure fedora 11 has that
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% rpm -qa \*ltsp\*
Ubuntu Jaunty (where it works ok): ii ltsp-client 5.1.83-0ubuntu1~ppa1 LTSP client environment
ii ltsp-client-core 5.1.83-0ubuntu1~ppa1 LTSP client environment (core)
ii ltspfsd 0.5.12-0ubuntu1~ppa1 Fuse based remote filesystem daemon for LTSP thin clients
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where I can download last ltsp source?
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bazaar O_o... I need a last stable release.
that is in bzr
stable releases are based on bazaar tags
we dont roll tarballs because they have to be integrated with the distro packaging anyway ... so having plain tarballs is completely pointless
use mkdist to create a tarball for your distro, but make sure all corresponding packaging bits are in place as well
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bom dia meu amigos
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ryan52: are you working on ltsp cluster for Fedora?
warren might have thought I was..
he should have noticed that I'm unreliable by now..
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stgraber: how are nodes added to the tree in ltsp-cluster-control?
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shawnp0wers: How's it going?
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Is ltsp-5.1.85 latest stable release?
|12:14||* vagrantc checks|
a few minor updates in the VCS since then, but nothing major
fedorsa stuff even
vagrantc, "compatibility for common HORZSYNC/HORIZSYNC typo" lol :)
ogra: well, when people consistantly make a totally understandable typo over the years... i figured we should at least support it.
dkostousov, https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk see yourself, commits that are distro specific are usually prefixed with distro name
easier than always telling people the right value ... when the right value is a typo in and of itself.
the day when that parameter is no longer needed will be good
and ones like it
|12:18||* vagrantc proposed to correct the typo many years ago|
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johnny, tell that to people using monitors that arent DDC capable :P
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johnny, its only them we need it for
or buggy DDC
don't forget poorly maintained drivers!
or poorly made KVM switches
or, or ,or ...
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you guys and your valid usecases
what is the "typo"?
jammcq abbreviates "Horizontal" as "HORZ"
while many are inclined to use "HORIZ"
well, since time immemorial, the value for setting HorizSync option as HORZSYNC
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where I can get latest ltspfs?
as a package for a distro or as code to package?
that is upstream
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i'm getting some wierdness on a machine
it says that the target filesystem does not have /sbin/init
and drops me to a busybox shell
i have 3 other clients booting just fine, it's just this one that is having the problem
do you have only "default" dir in tftp?
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rm-rf: it most likely does not have a supported network driver in the initramfs
that would make it not be able to mount the nbd device
and therefore not be able to mount the rootfs
in the initramfs, you can test the theory by running /sbin/ifconfig
(ie in the busybox shell)
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doh, gadi left
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little question i installed firefox as local app with flash plugin did the NAT trick and changed my lts.conf everything works perfectly after that is installed the ubunty-restricted stuff and java in the chroot. But now when i run firefox as local app is see the plugins installed in firefox but firefox won't pick it up and use them, if i go to a java site it complains it has a missing plugin if i want to see a movie embedded it
complains again ... any idea ?
anything the plugin needs to function needs to be installed in the chroot
i installed everything in the chroot
how do i put more nic drivers in the initramfs?
did apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras in the chroot
and java plugin an jre in the chroot
also in the main system
and when i don't use firefox as local app that works
but as soon as i use firefox as lokal app it just works with flash but not with the rest
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looks like nearly everything is implemented except "5. Booting thin clients with as little as 32mb of system ram " and "7. Passing of VCI string from the client to the server (in initramfs)"
and i actually have submitted patches to initramfs-tools to implement the latter.
do the udhcp scripts pass VCI ?
configurable, that is
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Ryan52: would you want to be included in the uploaders for ltsp-docs?
otavio__: would you be available for an upload of ltsp-docs ? it will need NEW processing
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hi, are there any a;ternatives to setting up a LTSP client over wireless other than running thru a wireless bridge?
could I have a CD or local disk boot which sets up wifi access and then connects to the LTSP server?
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any url/link would help!
i don't have any
ok, so how do I do it?
you kinda need to know how to mess with bootloaders
you basically just need the same kernel and initramfs as is in the tftp directory
and a bootloader to loadthem.. like grub
ok, and the root fs?
i'm imagining your going to mount that right?
only thing i'm not sure how to handle is setting the wifi connection parameters
so, i guess the steps are - boot the linux kernel, initrd, and a rootfs with scripts which should setup everything else?
all we really need at that point is setup wifi (initrd should have the right drivers, and X drivers I suppose) and then ssh to the ltsp server, and nfs
so, i would be surprised if someone hasn't already tried this!
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