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Channel log from 28 July 2007   (all times are UTC)

00:02
<iMav>
has this project been on anyone's radar? http://www.aquaconnect.net/
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<krinns>
hi all
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<krinns>
am using ubuntu on ltsp4.2 some times users sessions hangs nothing works
01:04
then i logoff that users and move his home dir and relogin user home dir created automatically and all works
01:05
why this happens and whats the cure instead i recreate home dir
01:05
any idea
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08:57
<sbalneav>
Morning all
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08:59
<syamajala>
does anyone know how to fix this problem
08:59
http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/servers/43503-diskless-client-problem.html
08:59
i found that 93 means protocol not supported
09:00
my kernel has support for nfs server v3 and v4 in it
09:01
<sbalneav>
What version of ltsp are you running?
09:02
syamajala: What version of LTSP are you running? And on what distro?
09:03
<syamajala>
um its not really ltsp its more like a custom diskless setup
09:03
and its on archlinux as well
09:03
that post was one i made in 2005 when i originally setup my diskless systems and someone in here helped me fix the problem
09:04
my system was running a 2.6.14 kernel but i wanted to upgrade to 2.6.22 and that was when i started getting the same error message
09:04
i don't remember how it was fixed the first time, but i remember someone in here told me how to fix it
09:04
<sbalneav>
What does your dhcpd.conf look like?
09:05
Paste it to the pastebot
09:05
!pastebot
09:05
<ltspbot`>
sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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09:05
<syamajala>
hmm
09:06
it appears that my system is not up right now
09:06
or ssh isn't working
09:06
arg! i wish i had posted the solution when i originally fixed it
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09:14
<syamajala>
the thing that is weird is that i didn't change any of my config files between the kernel upgrade
09:14
i just built the new kernel and booted it
09:15
on the server
09:15
then i tried rebooting one of the clients and stuff stopped working
09:24
<sbalneav>
Switch back to the old kernel then, until you figure it out.
09:24
You probably haven't got nfs compiled in right.
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10:39
<Q-FUNK>
lindi- :)
10:40
<lindi->
Q-FUNK: evening
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10:41
<lindi->
just trying to figure out how i should do voip with SIP. my local computer is too slow to compress the audio
10:43
<Q-FUNK>
lindi-: ekiga?
10:43
or what apps are involved?
10:43
hiya vagrant!
10:44
<lindi->
Q-FUNK: well, in general i don't know how i could run the voip program on a fast computer and then just move the audio to my old VNC terminal
10:44
esd works well for playback but i haven't found anything similar for recording
10:44
<Q-FUNK>
lindi-: pulseaudio is used for that
10:45
<lindi->
that wants linux 2.6 and alsa?
10:45
<Q-FUNK>
novell has published a tutorial for setting up LTSP remote audio on ubuntu variants. the edgy version of the tutorial should work for etch too.
10:45
<lindi->
hmm
10:45* vagrantc waves
10:45
<lindi->
Q-FUNK: remember some search terms?
10:46
<Q-FUNK>
lindi-: I might have the link on my website, even
10:46
somewhere among my debian and ubuntu links
10:47
<lindi->
Q-FUNK: found it
10:47
i guess i need to upgrade to linux 2.6 on the VNC terminal first
10:47
<Q-FUNK>
2.4 alsa modules exist as separate packages
10:48
<lindi->
yep but pulseaudio is not in sarge
10:48
and etch does not boot with linux 2.4
10:48
<Q-FUNK>
ah, yes, etch at least. definitely.
10:51
<lindi->
Q-FUNK: btw, have you tested how to make initrd work with diskless machines?
10:51
<Q-FUNK>
yup
10:51
<lindi->
afaik it should "just work" now in etch
10:51
<Q-FUNK>
it does
10:51
<lindi->
i'm sceptical :)
10:51
<Q-FUNK>
you can drop by and have a look at my test lab.
10:52
I've got various hardware, all booting from LTSP
10:52
Etch
10:52
<lindi->
i mean, i have full backups, i have nothing to lose. i could just upgrade to etch and install etch's kernel and then copy the image to tftp server
10:52
maybe just in case i'll also build a non-initrd kernel
11:01
Q-FUNK: well, that ubuntu howto starts by talking about skype :(
11:02
<Q-FUNK>
lindi-: never mind that. it has a lot of items about getting remote audio to work in general
11:03
skype is just considered as the holy grail of corporate thin client VoIP that needs to be taken care of
11:03
<lindi->
Q-FUNK: do you know if that "LTSP server" part of the diagram needs kernel support?
11:03
i mean, alsa kernel support
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<Q-FUNK>
it uses alsa at the client end, channeled via pulseaudio
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<lindi->
yeah so the "ALSA" part there refers to the userland alsa libraries only
11:05
<Q-FUNK>
asound
11:05
lindi-: the general idea is to have the lines they show in asound.conf and to install the firefox wrapper on the client
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then, pretty much everything that needs to goes thru pulseaudio, after that
11:06
<lindi->
yeah, alsa userland libraries parse asound.conf afaik
11:07
<Q-FUNK>
lindi-: if you wanna test this, just drop by. I've got a nice bottle of tunisian red and lentil soup ready as well. besides, you can check out the thincan and linutop at the same time :)
11:08
<lindi->
thanks, i'll wait till i hit problems first :)
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11:46
<savetheWorld>
Hi folks. Is the LTSP 4.2 release still in wide use? Would that be the best thing to use for a Centos (RHEL clone) system sicne LTSP5 hasn't been integrated with RH yet?
11:47
<sbalneav>
savetheWorld: Lots of people are still using it, but it's support level is dropping.
11:47
No new bugs and/or development is being done on it.
11:49
<savetheWorld>
sbalneav: I see. makes sense.
11:49
<sbalneav>
We've been poking people in the Redhat/Fedora community to get busy and work on a port, but....
11:50
so far, no one's putting in any serious effort.
11:50
<savetheWorld>
ja - they dont see the need/benefit. (They will when Ubuntu/debian start passing them in Business installs... :-) )
11:50
<sbalneav>
Which is why, IMHO, Debian and Ubuntu are eating everyone's lunch these days
11:51
<Q-FUNK>
especially ubuntu
11:51
<savetheWorld>
I can work on getting it working on Centus, but the Centos team wont integrate it into their source tree, because that would break their source level compatibility with RHEL.
11:52
<Q-FUNK>
savetheWorld: seems that your best bet is to become the LTSP maintainer for the whole fyodora/RHEL universe
11:52
<savetheWorld>
I haven't seen a recent break down of Enterprise level unit sales for any of those vendors.
11:52
Q-FUNK: And yet my goal is to install just one thin client... :-)
11:53
<Q-FUNK>
in that case, I'd say go for debian/etch or ubuntu/edgy
11:54
<savetheWorld>
Q-FUNK: I'm already stuck with Centos. :-( But I appreciate the advice. Maybe on the next server... :-)
11:55
<Q-FUNK>
as Geddy Lee said about music composition software: you pick the right application and buy the computer on which it runs.
11:55
<savetheWorld>
CentOS has been doing a great job of riding RH's technical credibility coattails, but at a much lower cost. This makes it an easy sell to managers...
11:55
<Q-FUNK>
for LTSP, it pretty much means debian or ubuntu. mostly ubuntu, due to debian's slow release cycles.
11:56
<savetheWorld>
Q-FUNK: adding the thin client to our installation is very much an afterthought and isn't an essential. So my best option for the moment will probably be LTSP-4.2
11:58
Until RedHat makes an official decision to add LTSP to its product line it seems pretty unlikely that it will appear in that "family" of related products.
11:59
<sbalneav>
There's currently work being done on SuSE, and gentoo ports
11:59
<Q-FUNK>
suse might be usable on RH
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12:01
<savetheWorld>
My understanding is that trhe integration for any distro has 2 main parts - #1 - officially adding the LTSP packages to the distro's Package management system, and #2 - adapting the LTSP install script that matches the specific requirements of that distro. (oversimplifying here)
12:02
s/that mathches/to match/
12:02
<sbalneav>
Yep.
12:02
We've developed a build system than distros should be able to plug into.
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<savetheWorld>
LBE?
12:03
or is that old now?
12:03
<sbalneav>
Old
12:03
LTSP5 uses the distro's packages to build the choot.
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Just about all distros have tools to allow you to bootstrap the distro inside of a chroot.
12:04
There are a few LTSP specific pieces, like the screen scripts, LDM, and ltspfs server that are needed.
12:04
<savetheWorld>
is there a main script that drives that process?
12:05
<sbalneav>
Yep
12:05
ltsp-build-client.
12:05
<savetheWorld>
is thatt on the wiki?
12:06
<sbalneav>
No, we're developing on launchpad.
12:07
There's some ltsp5 info on the wiki, but it's pretty light at the moment, as we're spending just about all our time developing ltsp5, and haven't taken enough of a break to document a lot.
12:08
<savetheWorld>
um - heh Whats launchpad?
12:10
ah, I see.
12:10
<sbalneav>
https://launchpad.net
12:11
<savetheWorld>
ja, gogoled it. (GIMBFF)
12:12
"Google Is My Best Fav Friend" :-)
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<lindi->
Q-FUNK: i just remembered that my diskless setup relied on a kernel on a floppy ;) i now migrated this system to use etherboot. then i accidentally compiled the linux 2.6.18 on an etch system and got dependency system on instalation, oh well :) i'll just wait for recompilation now
13:31
(just a status report, no major problems found yet)
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<Q-FUNK>
lindi-: ok
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<Comete>
hi
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anyone who could help me with a resolution problem on clients with LTSP 5
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?
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i use X_MODE_0 = 800x600 by default but the resolution is stay too high like 1200x...
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<deadon1130>
I just have a quick question for the group---I am looking to intergrate LTSP into our environment, and currently all of our clinical workstations are full MS OS's. Is it possible to use LTSP to replace the full OS and do a "shell OS" in the environment and connecting directly to an Windows RDP session and have a swipe badge and pin for authentation?
20:52
<rjune>
dunno about the auth part, but the rdp part's been done for sure
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<deadon1130>
how many concurrent sessions can you have on one server, or is like creating a citrix farm
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<sahil__>
deadon1130: i have run 36 users concurrently on a dual dual core system with 4 gigs and part of me thinks that is overkill
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hope that gives you some idea
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