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02:57
<obrienmd>
Any idea what kernel options are appropriate for named new-style nbd root on LTSP on Ubuntu Oneiric? I'm using nbdname=xyz, but need to also tell it which server to use. I've tried 'nbdroot=1.2.3.4 nbdname=xyz', but it doesn't seem to work, keeps saying connection refused... Server is on port 10809 (default).
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04:09
<alkisg>
Good morning
04:10
vagrantc: wouldn't it be possible in $ROOT/usr/sbin/policy-rc.d to detect when we're chrooted, and automatically `exit 101`, instead of having to set LTSP_HANDLE_DAEMONS=false before chroot'ing?
04:11
E.g. http://paste.ubuntu.com/702053/
04:12
<vagrantc>
alkisg: good evening :)
04:12
<alkisg>
:)
04:13
<vagrantc>
alkisg: it might be possible and a good idea, but we've got to make aboslutely sure that it doesn't accidentally trigger on a thin client, or accidentally not trigger on server ... although the latter case we get a fair amount of because people just use chroot directly
04:14
<alkisg>
I googled for a "in_chroot()" function, and that code above seemed like a good approach
04:15
<vagrantc>
if it didn't remove the LTSP_HANDLE_DAEMONS=false as a safeguard for those who do use it (or wrappers like ltsp-chroot that set it) i think it would probably be better than what we have now
04:15
<alkisg>
And we can continue using LTSP_HANDLE_DAEMONS too, if in some cases it's impossible to detect if we're in a chroot
04:15
<vagrantc>
good thinking :)
04:15
<alkisg>
^ that one
04:15
:)
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04:16
<vagrantc>
so i started using debootstrap --variant=minbase by default, and that turned up a few extra implicit dependencies
04:16
<alkisg>
Cool, I'll test it as much as I can when I have some free time, and commit it without removing LTSP_HANDLE_DAEMONS
04:16
<vagrantc>
namely, psmisc and such
04:16
alkisg: sounds great :)
04:16
<alkisg>
Ah... did you put them in the ltsp-client-core package?
04:17
<vagrantc>
not yet
04:17
but i had better eventually :)
04:17
also other things like rsyslog and who knows what else
04:18
i should just do two runs, one with minbase and one without, just installing ltsp-client-core, and see what the difference ends up being... if any are significant
04:19
but it's way simpler than the stupid outdated exclude list
04:19
and more proper anyways
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04:19
<alkisg>
Another thing I'd like to propose in BTS, is to slowly move any permanent changes done to the chroot, from ltsp-build-client to the initramfs... that would make chroots directly bootable, nd package upgrades and even chroot upgrades safer...
04:20
So, no RC_WHITELIST (you removed that in Debian already),
04:20
...and some other stuff I don't remember now. But it would require modifying more files while still in the initramfs
04:21
So either a longer bindwrite list (I don't remember the exact name), or nfs+tmpfs+aufs
04:21
How would you feel about that? (with the appropriate testing, backwards compatibility, etc etc?)
04:22
<vagrantc>
i like the idea, as long as it doesn't consume too much extra memory
04:22
would be very cool to switch to nfs+tmpfs+aufs if it's reliable.
04:23
especially if it's also backportable
04:23
<alkisg>
So I'm thinking of creating a /usr/share/ltsp/<scripts to be ran from the initramfs> directory, and to call that chrooted + with /proc, /dev etc mounted, from the initramfs
04:23
<vagrantc>
alkisg: that's how i handled bindmounts and such from the initramfs
04:24
makes it much easier to respect lts.conf values properly and such
04:24
<alkisg>
Cool. I would require a small change in other distro's initramfs's too, but I don't think it would be very troubling....
04:24
So if others agree too, I'd like to slowly start experimenting with that
04:24
<vagrantc>
allows for a more full coding environment, too ... initramfs-only code tends to be rather restricted.
04:25
a shame i can't make it to the BTS
04:25* alkisg would love to meet the old beard in person :(
04:26
<vagrantc>
heh
04:27
it would basically be 9-10 days, 6-7 of it travel... hard to finaggle the time
04:27
<alkisg>
Or an (expensive) plane :-/
04:27
We should put that in the "needs sponshoring" list in the wiki ;)
04:28* vagrantc tries to fly no more than one trip a year and only cross-continent
04:28
<alkisg>
Ah, k
04:37* vagrantc tries to figure out if it would be at all remotely possible to go
04:39
<alkisg>
grep -l chroot /var/lib/dpkg/info/*inst ==> all those use the same "chrooted()" function, so it should be rather safe to add it ourselves
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04:56
<alkisg>
I don't quite doesn't get the (english language) meaning of `LTSP_HANDLE_DAEMONS="false"`... If we say "LTSP, don't handle daemons", wouldn't that mean "don't get involved, so exit 0"?
04:58
It sounds to me like LTSP_HANDLE_DAEMONS="true" would mean "LTSP, do handle the daemons; i.e. don't allow them to run"
04:59
<vagrantc>
alkisg: think of it just HANDLE_DAEMONS, but specific to LTSP
05:00
<alkisg>
Again, HANDLE_DAEMONS sounds like PREVENT_DAEMONS_FROM_STARTING to me, so if I didn't know, I'd think I'd have to set it to "true" to work
05:02
<vagrantc>
it's not purty, it's true
05:03
<alkisg>
So, if one does set LTSP_HANDLE_DAEMONS="true", I'll assume he doesn't want us to use the "autodetect chroot()" function
05:03
And directly `exit 0` instead
05:09
<vagrantc>
well, i think i used != "false"
05:11
oh not, it's if it's "false", then don't start any daemons
05:12
<alkisg>
Yes, so: if it's false, don't start any daemons
05:12
If the user hasn't set it, use chroot autodetection
05:12
Otherwise, exit 0
05:12
So if the user has set LTSP_HANDLE_DAEMONS="true", the chroot autodetection code won't be used
05:13
And the daemons will be started even if we're in a chroot
05:13
<vagrantc>
why even have that
05:13
?
05:14
<alkisg>
No idea, but currently, with LTSP_HANDLE_DAEMONS="true" that's what happens... :)
05:14
OK I'll skip that
05:14
<vagrantc>
essentially if LTSP_HANDLE_DAEMONS is not false, do what would normallly happen
05:15
so the in-chroot detection should also just exit 101
05:16
if [ "$L_H_D" = "false" ] ; then exit 101 ; elif in_chroot ; then exit 101 ; fi
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05:18
<vagrantc>
or ... if [ "$L_H_D" = "false" ] ; then exit 101 ; fi ... #define the in_chooot() function ... if in_chroot ; then exit 101 ; fi
05:18
saves a little bit of codepath if the variable is set.
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05:30
<alkisg>
OK so just this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/702076/
05:34
<vagrantc>
so, the downside is every thinclient will make a bunch of stat calls whenever daemons are started
05:35
<alkisg>
Unless we delete that from the initramfs ;)
05:37
<vagrantc>
right!
05:38
ah, it was start-stop-daemon that i had the != "false" code in
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07:37
<Hyperbyte>
mhmm
07:38
Someone here has brought a USB harddisk formatting with NTFS into the office
07:38
It mounts properly on the thin client as a local device, but it's mounted read-only
07:38
How can I make it so it gets mounted read-write?
07:42
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: if you manually try to mount it rw, does it work?
07:43
Ah, or when you say read-only, you mean that only root has write permissions for the ntfs partition?
07:44
What's the line for that mount in cat /proc/mounts ?
08:11
<Hyperbyte>
What I mean is that none of the files/directories there have +w attribute set
08:11
And when writing I get the error "read/only filesystem"
08:12
One moment for mount options and manual mounting. Be back soon.
08:14
Hrm... it seems to already be mounted rw
08:15
Maybe it said read/only directory, not filesystem (I'm doubting myself now)
08:15
But mount options are
08:15
ltspfs on /media/inge/usbdisk-sda1 type fuse.ltspfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,user=inge)
08:16
But all file modes are 400 and directory 500. No write attributes set anywhere. Same happens when mounting locally on the client.
08:22
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: that's the default for ntfs, to mount it for the current user only
08:22
But since it's the root that mounts it, then the user doesn't have access
08:22
With ltspfs this shouldn't be a problem, as it runs as root, afaik
08:23
<Hyperbyte>
So NTFS default is to mount it read-only?
08:24
<alkisg>
No
08:24
<Hyperbyte>
Because all owner/group bits are correct, those are set to the user that needs it, and their primary group
08:24
<alkisg>
Ah, you said 400, not 700... hmmm...
08:24
<Hyperbyte>
Yes...
08:24
There's no 'w' attribute anywhere on the filesystem
08:25
<alkisg>
And the same happens if you try to mount it manually as rw?
08:25
<Hyperbyte>
It is mounted as rw already
08:25
At least there is 'rw' in the mount options
08:26
When I manually mount it on the client, same thing. 'rw' in mount options, but all files and directories have read-only permissions
08:27
<alkisg>
What ntfs package do you have installed?
08:27
dpkg -l '*ntfs*' | grep ^ii
08:27
Is it ntfs-3g ?
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08:28
<Hyperbyte>
Client or server?
08:28
ntfs-3g
08:29
<alkisg>
Client
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08:30
<Hyperbyte>
No packages found matching *ntfs*
08:30
<alkisg>
Ah then that's why
08:30
You need to install ntfs-3g for write support
08:32
<Hyperbyte>
Just install ntfs-3g, that's it? No further configuration?
08:34
<alkisg>
Yes, I believe so. And of course run ltps-update-image
08:35
<Hyperbyte>
Of course!
08:55
That worked. :)
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09:24
<txor>
Hi people! I have a problem with LTSP 5 on openSUSE 11.4 with an HP Thin Client, Gnome icons are not renderet well, the transparency layer appears black or white. Any hints or any ideas on how to debug it? Thanks!!
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09:54
<txor>
Hi people! Sorry for posting twice but I have a problem with LTSP 5 on openSUSE 11.4 with an HP Thin Client, Gnome icons are not rendered well, the transparency layer appears black or white. Any hints or any ideas on how to debug it? Thanks!!
09:56
<Hyperbyte>
The message has been received. :P
09:56
<txor>
Hehe, sorry.
09:56
<Hyperbyte>
You're gonna need to exercise some extreme patience for this one I think.
09:56
I know Gadi is the community-titled expert on things display related.
09:57
<txor>
Yes It's onlt that I left the webchat and when I return I wanna see my message, plz don't be angry.
09:57
<Hyperbyte>
You should try him if you can't get an answer from someone else. Also, it might help to make a screenshot. :)
09:57
No, I'm not angry at all. =)
09:57
Also, you can read channel logs at http://irclogs.ltsp.org/
09:58
<txor>
Where or how I can debug gnome problems? It's possible to connect an X client to the LTSP sever without booting nothing? Only X client from other system? That might help me
09:59
Hyperbyte: I go to the logs to copy my message, correct the rendered word, add the "Sorry for posting twice" and let my message appear on the top of my IRC client :P
10:00
<Hyperbyte>
Hahaha
10:00
txor, LTSP uses remote X
10:01
It's probably some problem with the kernel module for your GPU in combination with remote X
10:01
You could try
10:01
!disable-compiz
10:01
<ltsp>
Hyperbyte: disable-compiz: To disable compiz for all users, run: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
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10:01
<Hyperbyte>
Disables special effects on the desktop
10:01
I'm just not knowledged enough in these things to -really- say what the problem is. =)
10:02
<txor>
Hyperbyte: Compiz is uninstalled, I use metacity. I was trting with lts.conf options about configuring xorg.conf but sometimes I can't change the xorg.conf
10:03
Hyperbyte: I agree with you about It's a GPU driver + X11 config problem, and maybe some Gnome lib version
10:04
But... I have no idea on how to attack the problem. Mayb I have to ask Gnome devels to see which parts are rendering the icons... Do you want to see an screenshot?
10:10
<Hyperbyte>
Screenshot might be interesting, sure.
10:10
But like I said, I'm not really the person to help you with this.
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<andygraybeal>
greetings :)
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11:20
<andygraybeal>
i wonder if there is a way to have an LTSP session de-tached, then re-attached; like screen or x2go
11:20
de-tached is not a word :)
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11:47
<alkisg>
You can use x2go or nx or screen with ltsp
11:47
But I don't think anyone has integrated an xproxy etc right into ldm, no
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<mgariepy>
good morning everyone
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12:54
<jason_>
I never thought ppc on ltsp would be this much of a bust. :/
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13:07
<Hyperbyte>
jason_, explain.
13:07
<jason_>
ppc hates me
13:07
I grabbed a zipped chroot from a fedora host and put it in /opt/ltsp
13:08
<Hyperbyte>
Zipped?
13:08
<jason_>
updated the kernels, ssh keys, etc
13:08
compressed
13:08
tar.gz2
13:08
<Hyperbyte>
gzipped, okay
13:08
I thought you meant literally 'zipped', because I doubt that'd work.
13:08
<jason_>
sorry, windows terminology sometimes crosses over
13:08
<Hyperbyte>
Hehe
13:08
<jason_>
I work with all platforms throughout the day. :/
13:08
I changed the pxe config to what I saw on the ubuntu crossarch page.
13:08
but the ibook I'm using just sits here and loops and eventually boots to osx
13:09
<Hyperbyte>
I'm confused.
13:09
Show me the Ubuntu crossarch page?
13:09
<jason_>
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPCrossArchSetup
13:10
<Hyperbyte>
Okay
13:10
Now you say, it sits there looping
13:10
When does it stop exactly?
13:10
<jason_>
yes
13:10
<Hyperbyte>
Does it even -try- a network boot, or does it just not network boot at all?
13:10
<jason_>
It sits there for a rather long time, flashing with the network icon.
13:10
It appears as if it's trying.
13:11
yesterday I saw a DHCP lease show up in the leases config.
13:11
So it looked like it grabbed an IP
13:11
<Hyperbyte>
There are two stepts.
13:11
<jason_>
I've just got it hooked up with a cat5 cable, directly
13:11
<Hyperbyte>
*steps
13:11
1. Obtaining network address
13:11
2. Downloading TFTP image
13:11
I want the exact error before it loops
13:12
If it fails at step 1, your DHCP server isn't handing out leases
13:12
<jason_>
macs don't show the details like PCs do as they boot
13:12
all I see is a flashing icon
13:12
<Hyperbyte>
Oh
13:12
<jason_>
I don't see the pxe config load
13:13
however, I did get a lease
13:13
<Hyperbyte>
That's handy.
13:13
<jason_>
no kidding
13:13
<andygraybeal>
greetings Hyperbyte :)
13:13
<Hyperbyte>
Hey Andy!
13:13
<jason_>
it's just a crappy situation to be in
13:13
<m4xx>
i'm trying to setup a pxe boot menu so i can choose between desktop mode and kiosk mode. I've followed along with: http://www.serenux.com/2010/05/howto-setup-your-own-pxe-boot-server-using-ubuntu-server/ but i end up with the error: "could not find kernel image: ubuntu-installer/i386/boot-screens/vesamenu.c32"
13:13
<Hyperbyte>
How long does it loop for?
13:13
Does it loop quickly, or does it sit for a few minutes?
13:13
<jason_>
because these old macs. yes. they're pretty bad. but they turn on and they're functional. so it's hard to just throw them out if we CAN utilize them as clients...
13:13
<m4xx>
it does exist in my tftp directory and is readable
13:15
<jason_>
its a steady flash of the network icon, indicating it's trying. It stays there for about 3 full minutes.
13:15
then OSX just takes over.
13:15
it reminds me of issues I had in the past where the image wouldn't come down, yet I got an IP
13:17
I know that PPC and Linux is turning into more of a joke every day but if I can get them running it'd be pretty awesome...
13:17
however documentation (and even confirmation that anybody out there has a full blown working setup) seems few and far between
13:17
if at all
13:18
<alkisg>
How many of them do you have?
13:18
<Hyperbyte>
jason_, I think you can probably learn more by doing a tcpdump. You can see on the server side if it gets a lease, and what exactly it requests from the TFTP server.
13:19
<jason_>
Hyperbyte: how's that work? run tcpdump in terminal and netbook the mac?
13:19
boot*
13:19
<Hyperbyte>
tcpdump --help
13:19
You'll probably want something like tcpdump -i <iface>
13:20
But, this'll generate a constant stream of data if you're connecting to the server via network
13:20
<jason_>
by the way... I AM getting a lease
13:20
<Hyperbyte>
You can only do this if the server isn't generating other network traffic.
13:20
<jason_>
I can see that in the dhcp3.leases file
13:20
<Hyperbyte>
You have a Fedora server, correct?
13:20
<jason_>
ubuntu
13:21
<Hyperbyte>
Okay. Check /var/log/syslog for tftp messages.
13:21
Or better yet
13:21
tail -f /var/log/syslog
13:21
And boot the Mac, see if anything appears
13:21
(-f follows the file updates)
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13:22
<jason_>
dhcp discover, offer, request, dhcpack, dhcpinform all ran
13:22
lease via .21 offered
13:22
laptop is flashing a network icon now
13:23
<Hyperbyte>
Hrm
13:23
<jason_>
every once in a while dhcpinform and dhcpack runs
13:23
<Hyperbyte>
Okay
13:23
Show your dhcpd.conf
13:23
<jason_>
you want a pastebin ?
13:24
<Hyperbyte>
Yes please?
13:24
<jason_>
k. I just wasn't sure if that's what you were asking :P
13:24
let me swap this on the main network quick...
13:25
<m4xx>
whoops
13:26
i miss-read i put the ubuntu-installer directory in pxelinux.cfg instead of my root directory
13:27
<jason_>
ultra slow internet today...
13:29
http://pastebin.com/5Yra7m0N
13:30
I tried two different ways. I had copied my config file directly from the ubuntu crossarch site and I also just replaced all instances of i386 with ppc
13:30
both did nothing
13:32
<Hyperbyte>
Right. Before you said you got a copy of a Fedora chroot, right?
13:32
<jason_>
https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/wiki/PPCClientHOWTO
13:33
<Hyperbyte>
Right. But I'm a bit confused.
13:33
You're using Ubuntu as server, correct?
13:33
And you're gonna do this with a Fedora chroot?
13:33
<jason_>
yes
13:33
I was told the chroot is the same regardless
13:33
<Hyperbyte>
Who told you that?
13:33
<jason_>
I read it somewhere. a mailing list perhaps?
13:34
that the chroot was rather agnostic to the platform
13:34
that's why I didn't give it too much thought with fedora hosting this
13:34
<Hyperbyte>
Probably right... mmm...
13:34
Fedora and Ubuntu implementation of LTSP is quite different (NFS vs NBD) but that's all done outside the chroot I think.
13:35
<jason_>
I'm going to swap my dhcp over to what I found on the ubuntu site. I see that dhcp config has a yaboot entry required for mac.
13:35
but I did this yesterday and it failed, however, I also did that from the actual powerpc "server" I was testing
13:35
now I'm on an intel server
13:35
doubt it'll make any difference...
13:35
<Hyperbyte>
Are you trying this with NFS or NBD?
13:36
<jason_>
uh. how do I tell? It's just a vanilla edubuntu install
13:36
<Hyperbyte>
Okay.
13:36
Then you're mixing up Fedora and Ubuntu instructions and failing there.
13:36
<jason_>
sigh :(
13:36
<Hyperbyte>
I can help you.
13:36
But... two conditions.
13:36
1. I need to finish some of my own work first.
13:37
2. I want root@yourserver
13:37
<jason_>
hahah
13:37
well
13:37
@ 1, of course
13:37
<Hyperbyte>
Or screen sharing or whatever.
13:37
<jason_>
@ 2, I'm not sure I can do that on this network...
13:37
worth a shot I suppose
13:37
<m4xx>
ls
13:37
oops
13:37
<Hyperbyte>
Well, 2, that's your prerogative. :) I just wanna poke around the filesystem, look at the config, etc... without continually asking for pastebin.
13:38
<jason_>
it's not a matter of whether or not I want to
13:38
it's a vailla server. I have no quarrel with that.
13:38
I'm just not sure the outside is opened up that far
13:38
because we don't fully control this network
13:38
we pipe through a college before we go external
13:38
from what I've seen so far it's pretty locked down, which is my only concern
13:38
<Hyperbyte>
You can do reverse connections, but MY network isn't set up for that.
13:38
What timezone are you in?
13:38
<jason_>
eastern
13:39
<Hyperbyte>
Right, America.
13:39
Or not?
13:39
<jason_>
yep
13:39
yep
13:39
<Hyperbyte>
Yeah.
13:39
<jason_>
east coast USA
13:39
where are you at??
13:39
<Hyperbyte>
Netherlands, Europe.
13:39
<jason_>
I see. quite a hike from here :P
13:39
<Hyperbyte>
=)
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13:41
<Hyperbyte>
http://www.howtoforge.com/reverse-ssh-tunneling
13:41
You can SSH to me, and then I can SSH to you, via your outgoing SSH connection. :)
13:41
<jason_>
now?
13:41
<Hyperbyte>
Well, ehm
13:41
<jason_>
we'll talk later :P
13:41
I understand
13:41
I'm here all day anyway
13:41
<Hyperbyte>
Probably later, yeah.
13:41
Well, what time is it now?
13:41
<jason_>
940 AM
13:42
<Hyperbyte>
Because I have one hour and a half of work left here
13:42
<jason_>
I'm out from 12-1 and back here again until 430
13:42
this is all assuming something doesn't blow up elsewhere
13:42
which so far hasn't happened
13:42
<Hyperbyte>
And drive to second (evening) job... then afterwards a meeting for my 3rd volunteer job.
13:42
And then I'm at home to do some personal administration.
13:42
And then I might have some time.
13:42
=)
13:42
<jason_>
busy busy!
13:42
well hey if there's any documentation you know of that could help me crack it instead of using up your time feel free.
13:43
After all, I have to take care of this, I may as well learn it!
13:43
<Hyperbyte>
We can share screens, so you can look what I do.
13:43
I can call you even if you want me to explain what I'm doing. :P
13:43
<jason_>
good deal
13:43
you the man!
13:43
<Hyperbyte>
But not now.
13:43
Moment.
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<m4xx>
for the life of me i can't get my kiosk chroot to auto login
14:08
i've tried setting SCREEN_07 = kiosk , LDM_AUTOLOGIN = True, and LDM_USERNAME = ltspkiosk
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<alkisg>
There's no LDM in the kiosk setup
14:11
There's no login manager either
14:11
So... there's no autologin concept either
14:14
<m4xx>
it boots to a login screen
14:15
<alkisg>
Then it's not a correct setup
14:15
Did you put the missing file?
14:16
(kiosksession)
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<m4xx>
yes i believe so
14:16
one sec
14:16
in ./usr/share/ltsp/ correct?
14:17
<alkisg>
!kiosk
14:17
<ltsp>
alkisg: I do not know about 'kiosk', but I do know about these similar topics: 'kiosk-lucid'
14:17
<alkisg>
!kiosk-lucid
14:17
<ltsp>
alkisg: kiosk-lucid: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/572974
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14:38
<stgraber>
ogra_: so do you have your flights booked for BTS+UDS?
14:38
<ogra_>
stgraber, nope
14:39
<stgraber>
ok :)
14:39
<m4xx>
alkisg: still no go =[
14:39
<ogra_>
but given i have working images and not much to do but stare at bugs, i should probably do it now :)
14:39
<stgraber>
ogra_: I guess that'd be a good idea ;)
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<m4xx>
i already had the file, i also killed my chroot, re-created it and added the files
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<alkisg>
m4xx: search the irc logs for kiosksession, I think the problems with kiosk that lucid has have been mentioned about 10 times
14:42
It's not only the kiosksession file, you also need to apply a patch if I remember well
14:43
Unfortunately no devs actually use the kiosk plugin, so it's not actively maintained
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<m4xx>
i see your convo with _UsUrPeR_, looks like he had gotten it working with out having to patch and taking the steps you had suggested from the bug report.
15:01
<alkisg>
m4xx: if you read all the conversation, you'll see that he needed both the kiosksession file and the xargs workaround
15:02
<m4xx>
i've done both
15:03
<alkisg>
!SCREEN_02
15:03
<ltsp>
alkisg: SCREEN_02: to get a root shell on an Ubuntu thin client: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ClientTroubleshooting#Using%20a%20shell%20SCREEN
15:03
<m4xx>
did that and i get a blank screen
15:03
no prompt
15:03
<alkisg>
Errm...
15:03
<m4xx>
i've just set a root password
15:03
and updated the image
15:03
about to just login on screen 1
15:04
<alkisg>
OK, that's good too. Run a `ps aux > /tmp/out; scp /tmp/out user@server` and pastebin the output of ps
15:04
!pastebin
15:04
<ltsp>
alkisg: pastebin: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
15:04
<m4xx>
one sec
15:07
scp didn't want to work, had to sftp =\
15:07* _UsUrPeR_ has been summoned!
15:07
<_UsUrPeR_>
what's up guys? :)
15:07
<alkisg>
Another one with kiosk problems - your turn :D :
15:07
<_UsUrPeR_>
okay
15:07
<alkisg>
(hi!)
15:07
<_UsUrPeR_>
I have a question for you after, alkis
15:08
<m4xx>
http://pastebin.com/UE9qMnxF
15:08
<alkisg>
Sure
15:08* _UsUrPeR_ reads above
15:09
<alkisg>
m4xx: from the same root shell, try: getltscfg -a
15:09
And check that SCREEN_07 is indeed kiosk
15:09
Because now you're just using ldm
15:09
<_UsUrPeR_>
m4xx: I think I have a lts.conf for you
15:10
<m4xx>
one sec i'll paste mine
15:10
<_UsUrPeR_>
this is something I set up to run in X, straight-up. no gnome
15:10
it may not specifically apply
15:11
<m4xx>
http://pastebin.com/x2Jt50bR
15:13
<alkisg>
m4xx: and does `getltscfg -a` have the same values too?
15:13
<m4xx>
sorry phone
15:13
one sec
15:14
<alkisg>
It seems to me that your lts.conf isn't being read
15:15
<m4xx>
you are correct sir
15:16
<alkisg>
Is that in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf ?
15:17
<_UsUrPeR_>
interesting
15:17
here's a sample config that may/may not work for you http://pastebin.com/y1ADAUCp
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<m4xx>
finally
15:22
=]
15:22
not sure what the hell did it, but it works =]
15:23
thank you very much
15:24
<_UsUrPeR_>
no problem
15:24
check the kiosk_exe command
15:24
alkisg: ok, so here's the deal
15:24
now that we have fixed m4xx's problem...
15:25
I am running iceWM. It turns out that when you shut off/close/log out of a session in icewm, it does not clear user processes. They just sit there.
15:25
I am trying to find something on the server side that will execute upon login so I can kill the user's old session/processes
15:26
right now, I am attempting to test a theory using /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc. The exact line I have added is "killall -u $USER"
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it doesn't seem to take effect like I would have expected
15:27
NOW, I am making changes to the startx script
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though I am not sure if icewm is called with startx :/
15:28
called/started, that is
15:28
<m4xx>
last question, when you get a chance. i've set up a pxe boot menu to choose between kiosk and desktop mode. is there any way i could define the screen variable with that menu too? or could i use it to select which lts.conf to use?
15:29
<_UsUrPeR_>
m4xx: I have never actually used a pxe boot menu before, so I am not sure about that one
15:30
<alkisg>
!xexit | echo _UsUrPeR_:
15:30
<ltsp>
_UsUrPeR_: xexit: Instead of gnome-watchdog one can use xexit, which is a similar (but better!) tool written by an LTSP developer: http://www.opinsys.fi/en/killing-user-processes-with-xexit-on-ltsp-servers
15:31
<_UsUrPeR_>
alkisg: :O
15:34
<alkisg>
m4xx: you can pass a kernel parameter and then create a script in $ROOT/usr/share/ltsp/ltsp_config.d that greps /proc/cmdline for it, and sets SCREEN_07 appropriately
15:34
!ltsp_config.d
15:34
<ltsp>
alkisg: Error: "ltsp_config.d" is not a valid command.
15:36
<alkisg>
!learn ltsp_config.d as You can create /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ltsp/ltsp_config.d/ and put scripts in it that dynamically set lts.conf variables. Those scripts are sourced by LTSP, not executed.
15:36
<ltsp>
alkisg: The operation succeeded.
15:36
<_UsUrPeR_>
alkisg: how do you remember these !commands? :)
15:36
<alkisg>
!kiosk
15:36
<ltsp>
alkisg: I do not know about 'kiosk', but I do know about these similar topics: 'kiosk-lucid'
15:37
<alkisg>
There's no need to remember them all ;)
15:37
They're even searchable
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<m4xx>
alkisg awesome
15:42
ltsp_config.d doesn't exist, do i simply create it?
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<m4xx>
n/m simple case of tias ;[
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<m4xx>
alkisg: i'm sorry for needing to be spoon fed. I'de create any random file in ltsp_config.d and the contents of that file should be something like: "export SCREEN_07=gdm"
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correct?
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<alkisg>
In pxelinux.cfg: "append initrd... kiosk"
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In ltsp_config.d/autokiosk:
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grep -q kiosk /proc/cmdline && export SCREEN_07=kiosk
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And just leave SCREEN_07 empty in lts.conf
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<_UsUrPeR_>
ooooooook
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a question about program versions and the apt repositories: let's say that I want to download a specific, non-current version of a program once available on apt
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<obrienmd>
alkisg: regarding your advice yesterday to use 'nbdroot=server:1.2.3.4 NBD_ROOT_NAME=devname' or 'nbdroot=server:1.2.3.4 nbdname=devname', neither worked... I ended up giving up and using the old device-per-port method in nbd-server config, and traditional nbdroot=1.2.3.4:10809 in pxelinux.cfg
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<_UsUrPeR_>
where would I go to do that?
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<alkisg>
obrienmd: nbdroot=server:port, not server:ip. But ok if you got it working... ;)
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_UsUrPeR_: if it's still available in the archives, it's: sudo apt-get install program=version
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<_UsUrPeR_>
alkisg: ok, let's say... it's not
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just for instance
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<obrienmd>
alkisg: yeah, I was trying to setup using server IP and device name only on oneiric, just going over standard port 10809
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'new sty;e' :)
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<alkisg>
_UsUrPeR_: Well then you need to manually download it from the net and install it with gdebi or dpkg -i
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obrienmd: Yes I remember, but above you wrote: nbdroot=server:1.2.3.4, which wouldn't work in any case
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While nbdroot=server:10809 NBD_ROOT_NAME=opt... might work
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Not sure if the new initramfs exposes variables with capitals from the command line, though
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<obrienmd>
ah I see, will take a shot at that
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thanks again
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unfortunately I can only test this in about a 15m window each night :)
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<veloutin>
15 meters is quite a large window
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<abeehc>
lol
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<m4xx>
i feel quite helpess today =[ How would I install a firefox plugin in a chroot? I've tried installing the plugin, then copying the .mozilla directory to /opt/ltsp/kiosk/usr/local/share/ltspkiosk/home and re-building the image but that didn't seem to make any effect.
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<vagrantc>
m4xx: you're using localapps or fatclients?
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with thin-clients, you would just install on the server.
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<m4xx>
it's a kiosk chroot, i think it's localapps
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<vagrantc>
ah, yes.
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mozilla products weren't really designed with multi-user systems in mind... *sigh*
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<abeehc>
frown
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<vagrantc>
so copyying the .mozilla doesn't tend to work so well ... it isn't a plugin available via apt-get?
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<m4xx>
no
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not that i saw
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r-kiosk
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<vagrantc>
it's generally not too difficult to package a plugin... if you're at all familiar with packaging.
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<abeehc>
for thunderbird localapps extensions i put the extension folder in usr/lib/thunderbird/extensions
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of chroot, or server for that matter
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i imagine similar thing applies for ff but the folder can be slightly different; you should find the language extension in whatever folder though
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<alkisg>
m4xx: in lucid there's the "prism" package that offers similar functionality
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<m4xx>
awesome i'll check it out
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