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Channel log from 21 March 2012   (all times are UTC)

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06:39
<alkisg>
mgariepy: did you test 030-artwork? There seems to be an old typo in there...
06:39
for cdd in ed x k; do
06:40
chroot $ROOT apt-get $APT_GET_OPTS install ldm-${ccd}ubuntu-theme
06:40
The loop variable is cdd, yet ccd is used instead
06:40
So it's always installing the ubuntu theme, since ccd is empty
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08:20
<mcfloppy>
hello
08:21
my first client is running... many thanks to alkisg and vagrantc...
08:21
;)
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09:25
<mcfloppy>
when i use fat-clients, so the root is the client image root? must i install kde in the chroot or how it works?
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09:33
<dobber>
you must install it in chroot, yes
09:34
<mcfloppy>
ok... so i need much more space for the image?
09:34
i am glad i have lvm ;)
09:36
<dobber>
yes it will be bigger
09:36
my image is 1.5gb
09:37
<mcfloppy>
okay...
09:37
i have now space for 6GB
09:38
<dobber>
i mean, chroot is 4.5 gb, but when i create the squashfs image - it is 1.5gb
09:38
<mcfloppy>
oh okay... i think i boot the chroot...
09:38
i have no squashfs
09:38
(i think so)
09:39
<dobber>
ltsp-update-image creates it for you
09:39
<alkisg>
mcfloppy: ubuntu or debian?
09:39
<mcfloppy>
debian
09:39
<alkisg>
If you run ltsp-update-image, it'll switch you to nbd
09:39
<mcfloppy>
oh alkisg is online ;)
09:39
[09:21:23] <mcfloppy> my first client is running... many thanks to alkisg and vagrantc...
09:39
<alkisg>
So don't do it if you don't want to switch to nbd
09:40
:)
09:40
NBD is more than 5 times faster than NFS, but it requires running ltsp-update-image on each chroot change
09:40
Ubuntu defaults to NBD, while Debian to NFS
09:41
<mcfloppy>
okay... so i can try and testing till its perfect and then i can run ltsp-update-image?
09:41
<alkisg>
Yup
09:42
<mcfloppy>
where are the user information, logins and data stored? on the host os or on the client image?
09:42
<alkisg>
Server /home
09:42
And server /etc/passwd etc
09:42
<mcfloppy>
okay.. so i can use fat and thin clients in the same environment?
09:43
great... i love it ;)
09:43
<alkisg>
Sure, you only need to do LTSP_FATCLIENT=False in lts.conf
09:43
A fat chroot can serve both fat and thin clients, you don't need a second one
09:43
<dobber>
i have a dual boot with fat and thin clients
09:43
but i'm gonna ditch the fat client this week. too much random problems
09:44
<alkisg>
There's even code to automatically boot low-ram clients as thin, without setting anything in lts.conf
09:44
dobber: what problems?
09:44
<dobber>
thunderbird random crashes, skype random crashes
09:44
and all of them are too hard and too random to debug
09:44
<mcfloppy>
alkisg: okay.. but at this time i need no thin client boot... i have only fat client hardware (atom 1.6 + 1g ram)
09:44
<alkisg>
dobber: Are you using sshfs or nfs?
09:45
<dobber>
sshfs
09:45
alkisg: that's what i think is the main problem, but i'm not sure how to debug it
09:45
<alkisg>
Maybe they have problems with sshfs, we're using nfs here, didn't have any problems with any apps at all
09:45
<dobber>
the ssh tunel
09:45
<alkisg>
dobber: just try with nfs, if it crashes there too then it's not an ltsp problem
09:46
<dobber>
alkisg: the funny thing is that i have 10 clients and only 3-4 clients have problems and all of them are different ;(
09:46
<mcfloppy>
alkisg: comes the sshfs with the change to squashfs? or can i do update-image without any fear?
09:47
<alkisg>
dobber: then I'd suggest that you try a local installation (usb disk if no local disk present) and verify that it's a generic linux/thunderbird/skype problem with that hardware, not an ltsp-specific one :)
09:47
<dobber>
i'll give it a try with nfs
09:47
<alkisg>
For graphics drivers, sometimes nomodeset (disabling kms) helps
09:47
In other times, newer kernel versions help too
09:47
But in most cases the problems aren't ltsp specific
09:48
mcfloppy: you're already using sshfs for /home
09:48
That's the default for debian too
09:48
<mcfloppy>
oh okay... ;)
09:49
so should i change it? at the moment this is a test system... the old server supports still the users
09:49
<alkisg>
mcfloppy: read the ubuntu fatclients page to learn if/why you might want to switch to nfs home
09:49
!fatclients
09:49
<ltsp>
alkisg: fatclients: You may find some info about the Ubuntu/LTSP implementation of fat clients at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
09:50
<mcfloppy>
thank you
09:51
i have another question: is there a way to store the users desktop like a normal desktop in hibernate/standby mode and login to another client and see everything like it was on the other station?
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09:53
<dobber>
alkisg: is there a doc that describes switching from sshfs to nfs ?
09:53
<alkisg>
dobber: the fatclients page above
09:53
mcfloppy: not with plain ltsp, see x2go
09:54
dobber: but if thunderbird crashes on only some of your machines, then it's not a filesystem problem
09:54
It's either a module problem (bad graphics drivers etc), or a networking problem
09:54
<dobber>
probably the first
09:54
<alkisg>
Yup
09:54
So try a kernel update, or disabling kms, etc
09:55
<dobber>
i know this, but the co-workers are getting pissed and they are switching back to thin clients setup
09:55
witch works perfectly
09:55
<elias_a>
This might a bit offtopic but thise makes certain that Linux desktop is not dead. Quite the contrary: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/android-and-linux-re-merge-into-one-operating-system/10625
09:56
<alkisg>
dobber: sure, if you have no problems with thin clients then there's no reason to switch to fat. People want fat for multimedia apps, e.g. full screen youtube or skype, if you don't want those then there's no reason to go fat
09:57
<dobber>
alkisg: the main reason to switch was that the thin setup is 3 years old
09:57
so i created the oneiric fat client
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09:57
<mcfloppy>
hmm okay... i have now installed kdebase in the chroot.. but when i boot a fat client the screen blinks 3 times after login in LDM and then ldm is shown again
09:57
<dobber>
i'm starting to think of reinstalling my server now
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10:32
<Bauwe>
hi people ... (first time here) ... I'm looking for some advise on buying a server ... I have a options with a raid solution but wonder if it's needed
10:36
<dobber>
it's much better with raid
10:36
it's not "needed"
10:37
<Bauwe>
hi dobber...thought so...options here are a raid 5 server....or a u1 with just two hd's
10:38
<dobber>
well every setup is uniq in terms of requirements
10:38
you can go with raid1 with the two disks too
10:38
<Bauwe>
concern is....is raid easy to setup...?...u1 looks better (it's also about to impress a classroom) u1 is slightly more modern...but 2 hd's
10:39
<dobber>
i consider raid setup an easy task for junior system administrator
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10:41
<Hyperbyte>
Bauwe, you could always configure two harddisks with software RAID.
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10:43
<Deaconf19>
anyone up
10:44
<Bauwe>
yes...raid 5 with hotswappable hd's would be cool....u1 looks slim and modern....but class needs to know about "server" in general (and be amazed with ltsp)
10:44
<Deaconf19>
I have 3 questions
10:44
easy
10:45
how many clients can LTSP handle?
10:46
<alkisg>
Thin? Fat? Server cpu? Network speed? etc etc
10:46
From 1 to 10.000
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10:46
<Deaconf19>
10,000 is max?
10:47
<dobber>
alkisg: when booting I get "Running /scripts/nfs-premount... done : Permission denied"
10:47
<alkisg>
Well you could also go to 100.000 but if you don't state your server network etc specs it won't help :)
10:47
<dobber>
or smth like that
10:47
then after a few tries i get to a busybox prompt with no such scripts in /scripts/
10:47
<Deaconf19>
I have an ESX cluster 10 servers each server has 256GB RAM and 16 logical CPU
10:48
network is 10GB
10:48
<alkisg>
Deaconf19: and also your expected client usage, it's another thing if you want kiosks and another if you want to have full screen flash video in thin clients
10:48
<Deaconf19>
perfect thanks
10:48
<alkisg>
A kiosk e.g. needs 1 mbps of network bandwidth, while an HD video playing on a thin client more than 1 Gbps
10:49
<Deaconf19>
Ok perfect thanks for the answer
10:49
<alkisg>
So to answer your question, more info is needed
10:49
<Deaconf19>
I just needed a general answer
10:49
<alkisg>
There's no general answer
10:49
<Deaconf19>
as long as it is more than 10
10:49
<alkisg>
With 100 mbps network you can't even serve 1 HD video to a single client
10:49
<dobber>
i have 10 with just one tiny server, compared to your setup
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10:50
<Deaconf19>
Cool
10:50
<dobber>
and i have no hd video :)
10:50
<Deaconf19>
2nd question, During the PXE process how do I hide the pxe messages with a splash image?
10:50
<sep>
Deaconf19, ltsp istelf have no limit (afaik), the limit will be the network, the amount of ram on a server, the amount of cpu on a server (or number of servers) if you shard your network and servers i think you can grow as far as your money can take you :)
10:51
<alkisg>
dobber: ubuntu? which version?
10:51
<Deaconf19>
sep thanks my network is all new from hardware to backbone
10:51
<dobber>
alkisg: server is lucid, fat client is oneiric
10:51
<sep>
Deaconf19, pxemessages are from the pxe bios of the machine? so that would be machine spesific
10:52
<Deaconf19>
sep, correct
10:52
it shows loading /i386/pxelinux/
10:52
when I add the vesamenu.c32 it does not show this
10:52
<sep>
Deaconf19, unless the bios of the machine have a splash screen you can not hide those with ltsp
10:53
<Deaconf19>
sep, thanks
10:53
<alkisg>
dobber: there's no ltsp script in nfs-premount... is that permission denied message fatal? or the client boots after that?
10:53
<Deaconf19>
3rd question how do i change the thin client image boot screen image form Ubuntu to a custom picutre?
10:54
<dobber>
it is looping on it over and over
10:54
<alkisg>
Deaconf19: about hiding the menus, ask in #syslinux
10:54
<Deaconf19>
ok thanks
10:54
<alkisg>
You can either use vesa menu or add some "quiet" option to pxelinux.cfg/default
10:54
Deaconf19: about the plymouth boot screen, ask in #ubuntu (or just google it)
10:55
None of those questions are ltsp-specific
10:55
<Deaconf19>
oh ok I thought they were,
10:55
<dobber>
alkisg: i missed a configuration line from the docs, my bad
10:55
<Deaconf19>
I am familiar with PXE in Altiris and it handles all that information
10:55
thanks for the help
10:55
<alkisg>
dobber: eh, I don't suppose you switched to nfs for booting, did you?
10:56
<dobber>
i'm trying now and fixing problems
10:56
<alkisg>
Why?
10:56
<dobber>
not for booting
10:56
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPWithoutNFS -> Reverting to NFS if you want to
10:56
this configuration
10:56
<alkisg>
That's for booting
10:56
<dobber>
ouch
10:56
<alkisg>
Don't do that, you'll mess up your system
10:57
<dobber>
ok i'm reverting
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11:04
<dobber>
so i don't get it. what do i need to change ?
11:05
<alkisg>
See the nfs_home paragraph in the fatclients page
11:05
!fatclients
11:05
<ltsp>
alkisg: fatclients: You may find some info about the Ubuntu/LTSP implementation of fat clients at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
11:05
<alkisg>
bbl
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11:05
<Bauwe>
Hyperbyte: and @dobber ... ok if there is choice between this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_AHTOMmtFM and a more modern u1 with just 2 hd's (and slighly more expensive) what would be the vote?
11:06
<dobber>
are there any specs ?
11:06
this is just a chassis
11:07
<sep>
Bauwe, you can get 1u machines with atleast 4 harddrives tho
11:11
<Bauwe>
dobber: It's more like an example i have found on youtube...the thing is I'm on the secondhand market...not even sure if such machine is old scrap
11:12
sep: option 2 is a u1 with 2 hd's (and a tight budget:)
11:12
<dobber>
then - take whatever
11:12
if your choice is only on how it looks it does not matter much
11:13
<Bauwe>
dobber: hahhaha...thats why i came here
11:13
<dobber>
well ok then, describe your specific use of the servers
11:13
then describe the specs of the servers
11:13
so we can choose
11:14
<Bauwe>
imagine student playing with an old pentium4 as server...(and some thinclient from a recycle store)....they want ltsp and also try out stuff like internetcafe's
11:14
...
11:15
at least it needs to be a better server....it needs to impress ....and there must be some success on using it...
11:16
so a rackserver....on a table with a switch would do...it needs to be fun and not only make noise
11:18
the hotswap stuff is fun...but focus needs to be on ltsp
11:19
<dobber>
get the bigger server then
11:19
more tweaks means more show
11:20
<Bauwe>
yeah...more "duplo"
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12:03
<mcfloppy>
hmm my fat clients doesnt boot any more... after i installed kdebase in the image, they hang on: "Starting Hardware abstraction layer: hald"
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13:01
<mgariepy>
alkisg, thanks for fixing the ldm-theme ;)
13:02
<alkisg>
mgariepy: it needs more fixing, to take into account FAT_CLIENT_DESKTOPS
13:02
I'll do it later on
13:02
:)
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13:28
<Bauwe>
dobber: specs of option one (the big box) : PROLIANT DL380 G3 2X XEON 3.2 GHZ, 4GB 4X36GB
14:21
ok I'm off...thanks for the chats people!
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14:49
<veloutin>
alkisg: what are you playing with?
14:49
<alkisg>
veloutin: www.epoptes.org, currently implementing the remote assistance dialog without zenity
14:50
And, in the case someone needs to run it from a local shell on a thin client, it should just spawn socat instead of showing a gtk ui
14:51
Something like: import os; os.execl('/bin/sh', 'sh', '-c', """socat tcp:localhost:25547 SYSTEM:"sleep 1; screen -xRR ra$$",pty,stderr & screen -S ra$$""") ==> otherwise show the full gtk ui
14:51
!socat
14:51
<ltsp>
alkisg: socat: One way to share a console with a remote person is: [local pc] forward port 5500, run: socat tcp-listen:5500,keepalive=1 stdio,raw,echo=0 [remote pc] socat tcp:server:5500 SYSTEM:"{ sleep 1; xterm -e screen -xRR ra$$; } & exec screen -S ra$$",pty,stderr
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15:14
<bieb>
how do I reset a user's profile in ltsp? firefox will not open for her.. then second time she tries to open it, it tells her it is already running.
15:14
<Hyperbyte>
It's probably still running
15:14
ps aux | grep firefox | grep <username>
15:14
Oh, sorry - I misread
15:14
You mean it freezes during startup
15:14
<bieb>
I did a skill on her processes
15:15
<Hyperbyte>
Firefox settings are stored in ~/.mozilla/firefox/
15:15
<bieb>
it gives the timer like it is opening.. then just goes away.. never opens FF
15:17
should I just remove profiles.ini in %user%/.mozilla/firefox?
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<bieb>
Hyperbyte: just remove the profiles.ini and have her re-launch?
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<Hyperbyte>
bieb, I have no idea -why- Firefox is crashing on startup
15:26
I'm just saying, it's somewhere in /home/<user>/.mozilla/firefox/
15:26
<bieb>
Hyperbyte: and it is only for her
15:26
<Hyperbyte>
If she doesn't mind her bookmarks, Firefox settings, stored passwords, etc, disappearing, you could remove the entire ~/.mozilla/firefox/ dir and relaunch Firefox, then it's clean slate.
15:26
Else dig in and find the cause.
15:27
<bieb>
ok
15:27
thanks
15:27
<alkisg>
bieb: it's not LTSP related, so you could also ask in #ubuntu or wherever else you want. But is it crashing on startup, or only on the second try?
15:28
<bieb>
startup
15:28
<alkisg>
What do you see if you run it from a console?
15:28
Any error messages there?
15:28
<bieb>
I will try to lauch from command line see if that gives an error
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<bieb>
alkisg: she had to go to class.. so she will stop by after so I can check the issue...
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<bieb>
alkisg: have you seen any writeups on using ubuntu 11.xx as LTSP? I will probably be rebuilding my server this summer due to some hardware changes.. I have looked at 11.10 on the desktop and man it looks so different than 10.04
15:38
<alkisg>
bieb: in the summer you should be installing 12.04, not 11.x
15:39
What do you mean "writeups"?
15:39
If you don't like unity or gnome-shell, there's gnome-fallback which looks like 10.04
15:39
<bieb>
alkisg: writeups as in pros cons... things to watchout for.. etc
15:39
<alkisg>
No, I haven't
15:40
I'm using 12.04 for 3 months now though
15:40
I failed to get used to unity or gnome-shell, so I'm using gnome-fallback
15:40
<bieb>
yeah.. I am not sure I like unity
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15:41
<alkisg>
I'm pretty sure I don't; not only I find it counter-intuitive and counter-productive, but it also has major performance and stability issues
15:41
<bieb>
are there many changes in the how-to install from v10.04?
15:41
<alkisg>
Thin or fat clients?
15:41
<bieb>
thin
15:42
<alkisg>
No, it should be mostly the same
15:42
<bieb>
cool
15:42
<highvoltage>
I tried gnome-shell again this morning and with the extensions from the extensions website it's very good. to the point where I'll probably use it instead of gnome-fallback from now on.
15:42
(the window list plugin is probably the most useful already)
15:42
<alkisg>
Gnome-shell is ok, performance-wise, but it too has lots of stability issues in my intel graphics card :(
15:43
I just hope when most of them are fixed, they'll be backported to 12.04
15:44
highvoltage: any news on the lubuntu ldm theme? Will it make it for precise?
15:44
I think that the code I submitted this morning will automatically install it, if one uses a lubuntu server...
15:44
(if it's available, of course)
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<highvoltage>
alkisg: I'll check it in a few mins
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<alkisg>
ty
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<LuizAngioletti>
Hello andygraybeal
17:14
I've got sad news today...
17:14
I'm moving away from LTSP. =/
17:15
I didn't want to... but I do have to. =/
17:24
<rthomson>
LuizAngioletti: care to share the story?
17:25
<LuizAngioletti>
rthomson: nothign LTSP related. I'm changing jobs
17:25
the folks around here are going to continue using LTSP. But they don't know English enough to be around here, talking to you guys. =)
17:26
<rthomson>
Ah, ok.
17:27
I was expecting some kind of technical story for why you had to move infrastructure off LTSP and onto something else.
17:27
<LuizAngioletti>
rthomson: =)
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18:52
<alkisg>
!seen vagrantc
18:52
<ltsp>
alkisg: vagrantc was last seen in #ltsp 22 hours, 59 minutes, and 39 seconds ago: <vagrantc> although maybe .d dirs could be assembled at build time rather than runtime.
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19:05
<Llama_be>
what could be the difference between a virtual machine booting from network, or a physical machine?
19:05
<alkisg>
What's the observed difference?
19:06
<Llama_be>
virtual boots perfectly
19:06
physical errors: your real /dev is missing files required to boot (console and null).
19:06
<alkisg>
...while the physical one does what?
19:06
Ah
19:07
<Llama_be>
i'll take a picture for the whole screen :)
19:07
<alkisg>
Race conditions come to mind...
19:08
<Llama_be>
I also see Booting (initramfs).mount: mounting /dev on /newroot/dev failed: No such file or directory
19:11
and it's not just one physical machine
19:11
i've tried three, all have the same issue
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<Llama_be>
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-EGNZKuV2bCY/T2ooMFGoHoI/AAAAAAAABrI/fiMFSLMoYss/s903/IMG_20120321_200718.jpg
19:14
<alkisg>
Llama_be: the udhcpc message is the important one
19:14
You're missing network modules
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<Llama_be>
I thought with genkernel I'd have no trouble with things like network modules :(
19:21
ok, yes, changing the adaptor type in my virtual machine does enable me to reproduce it virtually :)
19:22
now it's only a matter of finding a solution :-p
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19:29
<muppis>
Llama_be, propably gentoo is using same modules in kernel than Ubuntu, and there were lot of problems with cards using tg3 module. I've read that most of them is caused by using incorrect MTU which causes connection interrupt in some cases.
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19:30
<muppis>
No experience by my self, though.
19:31
<Llama_be>
muppis: I think I have found that only the e1000 card module is loaded on boot
19:31
so it might be a different problem altogether ;)
19:31
<muppis>
:D
19:31
At your screenshot I can barely see line: Scanning for tg3...libphy, tg3 loaded.
19:33
<knipwim>
Llama_be: i think the default genkernel modules are defined here: /usr/share/genkernel/defaults/modules_load
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<Llama_be>
knipwim: MODULES_NET="e1000 tg3"
19:36
<knipwim>
i think those are the ones loaded into the initramfs
19:36
<Llama_be>
shouldn't there be a lot more there?
19:36
<knipwim>
but don't pin me down on that one
19:36
it's been a long time since i used genkernel for non default stuff
19:36
<Llama_be>
I mean, if we're going to boot from network, it should include more network cards there, no? :)
19:37
<knipwim>
you mean for the ltsp install?
19:37
<Llama_be>
i'm tryng to find which module I'd need on the client I want, to see if I can get it to work :)
19:38
yes, in the kernel and initrd for the thin client
19:38
<knipwim>
you can boot the thin client with a live cd or something
19:38
and do an lspci to see which card you have
19:39
<muppis>
And which module it uses.
19:39
<Llama_be>
I have an lsmod for the system now, still can't figure out which one is the network module :)
19:39
it's an nvidia MCP61 network card
19:39
<muppis>
Llama_be, put in pastebin.
19:40
shpchp
19:40
My server has same nic and uses that module for it.
19:40
<alkisg>
lspci -nn -k | grep -A 2 Ethernet
19:41
<muppis>
Sorry.. That was pci bridge.
19:42
<Llama_be>
alkisg: thanks for the command, didn't know those params
19:42
it's foredeth apparently
19:43
<muppis>
forcedeth (missed c)
19:43
<Llama_be>
yes, indeed ;)
19:44
but knipwim, if I put it in /usr/share/genkernel/defaults/modules_load, then I'd have to rebuild with genkernel I believe?
19:44
because the module IS built
19:46
<knipwim>
i tought the file is to make sure the module ends up in the initramfs
19:46
but perhaps it's not needed
19:46
<Llama_be>
I've started an genkernel all in the chroot anyway
19:46
will take a while probably though :(
19:47
<knipwim>
you edited the modules_load?
19:47
<Llama_be>
or not, failing quite fast
19:47
<alkisg>
If your initrd is in cpio format, just uncompress it and check if the modules are there
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<Llama_be>
alkisg: nope, it's not in initrd
19:49
the genkernel all command fails, something to do with compiling for i686 while the server is on x86_64
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<knipwim>
you're chrooted now?
19:55
<Llama_be>
yes
19:56
<knipwim>
you could try to exit
19:57
and do a manual linux32 chroot
19:57
the installer also prepends chroot with linux32
19:58
<Llama_be>
is that simply prepending my chroot command with linux32/
19:59
<knipwim>
just linux32, no slash
19:59
it's a command
20:00
<Llama_be>
sorry, the slash was meant to be a question mark
20:00
genkernel running again
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<Llama_be>
knipwim: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=177580#c14
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20:24
<knipwim>
nice :)
20:24
i already made a note in my todo list
20:25
<Llama_be>
my genkernel just finished, rebooting now...
20:25
not working
20:25
<knipwim>
you used the default genkernel?
20:25
or one with the modules_load edited
20:26
<Llama_be>
i modified modules_load, then ran genkernel all
20:27
<knipwim>
you copied the generated initramfs and kernel? (just checking)
20:27
<Llama_be>
ltsp-update-kernels does that for me, right?
20:28
<knipwim>
it should
20:28
but i never use it
20:28
so i can't confirm
20:28
<Llama_be>
time in /var/lib/tftpboot seems correct, so should be :)
20:28
<knipwim>
check the timestamps of the files in your tftproot
20:28
:)
20:29
<Llama_be>
and the module is not in the initrd
20:29
<knipwim>
than i don't know :(
20:29
but i'm sure someone in #gentoo will know
20:30
<Llama_be>
ofcourse, there's also /usr/share/genkernel/arch/x86/modules_load
20:30
probably should change it there
20:39
<alkisg>
stgraber, highvoltage: ...somehow I managed to move the "preferences" button in ldm by dragging it with the mouse... but I can't reproduce it... I wonder if wwm has some keysyms for that, that we need to disable
20:40
<highvoltage>
alkisg: hold in the alt button while dragging it
20:40
alkisg: you can do the same with the username/password dialog
20:41
<alkisg>
I wonder how I did it with my vbox client, the alt key is catched by the host system :-/
20:45
<stgraber>
highvoltage: that shouldn't work with current ldm
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20:45
<stgraber>
(as in, the one from up to date 12.04)
20:45
as all the keyboard handling code has been dropped
20:46
<highvoltage>
stgraber: when was that uploaded? I could do it with a fresh ltsp installation that I think mgariepy installed yesterday
20:47
<stgraber>
highvoltage: last week, you need ldm 2.2.7-1
20:47
though maybe the alt key comes from something else than the shortcuts ;)
20:48
<alkisg>
stgraber: I've reproduced it with 2:2.2.7-1
20:48
But probably not with the alt key but somehow else
20:48
<highvoltage>
stgraber: that's what's installed
20:49
(I was telling mgariepy yesterday that I was glad to see it because it's the last 'fun' ldm feature that still exists :p)
20:50
<alkisg>
An lts.conf option to bring back all the fun would be nice :P
20:52
<highvoltage>
yeah especially for the root terminal one
20:52
(I wish I knew about that one before)
20:52
<stgraber>
highvoltage: based on the code, you shouldn't even need alt
20:52
<muppis>
That was actually quite useful.
20:53
The root terminal.
20:53
<highvoltage>
stgraber: on the thin client though, it only works when I press either alt button
20:54
<stgraber>
highvoltage: fixed, 1421
20:54
the fact that you need alt is probably a gtk thing, the code doesn't check for a key press, that's why I didn't see it in last week's cleanup
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20:58
<Llama_be>
knipwim: adding the module to /usr/share/genkernel/arch/x86/modules_load and running genkernel all did the trick
21:00
but it seems to me that that file can be swapped out for something completely different. I mean, it is trying to load a lot of modules for raid and other disk access, which we shouldn't need, and could do with all common network card modules instead
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21:10
<Llama_be>
the scsi modules directory is 2.7M unpacked in the initrd. the complete drivers/net/ethernet directory is 3.8M. So if most other stuff is thrown out, initrd size would stay roughly the same, but would work a lot better for ltsp :)
21:12
<alkisg>
Epoptes 0.5.0 is published in https://launchpad.net/~epoptes/+archive/proposed, testers welcome :)
21:20
<knipwim>
Llama_be: a template modules_load would do the trick
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21:20
<knipwim>
added with any net modules from the initramfs
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21:20
<Llama_be>
and now ofcourse you are looking at me to provide one? :-p
21:23
<knipwim>
i'm thinking only the # Hardware (Pluggable) stuff and MODULES_FS="nfs"
21:24
we could write that in the quickstart profile
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21:25
<Llama_be>
and ofcourse all network card modules ;)
21:25
<knipwim>
all of them?
21:25
just the ones that are in the kernel right?
21:26
<Llama_be>
all that are compiled, yes?
21:26
<knipwim>
yes
21:27
<Llama_be>
trying to see if I can create a quick list of them all
21:28
will then recompile again, seeing if everything still works
21:28
and send you the file I used
21:29
<knipwim>
kk
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21:29
<knipwim>
i probably don't have a lot of time to look at it
21:29
but i'll try
21:30
btw, my initramfs has no network modules
21:32
<Llama_be>
how do you mount remote fs then?
21:32
<knipwim>
it just works :)
21:32
i do have the drivers in the kernel
21:33
<Llama_be>
ah yes, that also works ofcourse :)
21:33
if you compile it as a monolithic kernel, you don't need the modules
21:34
but as genkernel builds it as modules by default, we might not want to change too much about that
21:35
would also be bad form to compile all different network drivers into the kernel, for every feasable ltsp client
21:35
I'm running the genkernel rebuild now, it will again take a while, but I'm also going afk for about an hour
21:36
<knipwim>
then i'm in bed already :)
21:36
talk to you tomorrow then
21:37
<Llama_be>
i'll say my results here anyway, then if you have the time, you could read the logs ;)
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<Llama_be>
knipwim: http://pastebin.com/rUq8nQqG
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that file worked for me
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