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Channel log from 16 August 2010   (all times are UTC)

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<gnunux>
hi
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<nenn3>
Hello, how would i go about running a script at login on a ubuntu LTSP terminal server?
02:29
/etc/gdm/PostLogin doesnt seem to be executed, is that due to LTSP ?
02:31
<Ryan52>
yeah, LTSP doesn't use gdm.
02:32
you can put a script in /usr/share/ldm/rc.d/
02:32
in the chroot.
02:32
however, it will run on the client, not the server.
02:33
so you would have to use ssh to the server in the script to run something there.
02:33
you can see the other scripts as examples.
02:33
<johnny>
aha Ryan52 , how are you?
02:33
<Ryan52>
johnny: good. you?
02:34
<johnny>
alright, getting better
02:37
<nenn3>
Is there no way to run scripts serverside on logon?
02:38
<johnny>
nenn3, there is , he just told you how
02:39
Ryan52, still trying to come back to portland
02:39
i almost have enough points on the amtrak frequent rider program to get there
02:40
<Ryan52>
johnny: nice.
02:41
<johnny>
i haven't been able to justify the $400ish normal summer price to go there without it
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<biomorph>
Hi all.....
05:03
I'm trying to set up client logging to the server. I'm not sure what i need to do on the server to enable remote logging. This is Lucid, and there is no syslog.conf. I've googled extensively, but no hits. Any pointers?
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<isojussi>
i have a strange problem. I have 2 identical HP pc, other one boots fine but other keeps flashing screen
05:19
how i can remove splash screen, remove quitet and splash from var/lib/tftboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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<biomorph>
isojussi: What distro is this running?
05:24
<isojussi>
ubuntu 10.04
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<biomorph>
Yes - well in that case I believe that is the file you need to change...... /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
05:28
<isojussi>
last line in that file is append ro initrd=initrd.img nbdport=2000 nomodeset
05:29
<biomorph>
OK -well mine is "append ro initrd=initrd.img quiet splash nbdport=2000"
05:29
so you should be getting information on the client screen when booting.
05:32
<henrikj>
do i need to rebuild my image after adding scripts to ldm/rc.d/ ?
05:36
<biomorph>
Since it is in the chroot environment yes you will have to.
05:37
<henrikj>
thanks!
05:48
<isojussi>
found reason! in /etc/default/tftpd-hpa TFTP_DIRECTORY="/var/lib/tftpboot" was /srv/tftp
05:49
then it ingnored that default file somehow
05:50
I mean before I changed that
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<isojussi>
other problem, I have a machine when it boots I get this error Starting ltsp client [Done] Invalid card number
06:41
i disabled onboard audio, but no change
06:47
it has worked before with 9.10
06:47
but now with 10.04 it stopped
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<alkisg-web>
isojussi: so the client boots fine and the problem is that you don't have audio on it?
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<isojussi>
no, it boots but get stuck in that error. no login screen etc...
08:12
<alkisg-web>
isojussi: then that message is probably unrelated - it's just amixer complaining that it can't find card c0
08:13
isojussi: try putting XSERVER=vesa in your lts.conf. What graphics card on the client?
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08:34
<bengoa>
hello.. Anybody knows how to disable 'reduced blanking support' on LTSP xorg.conf?
08:38
<isojussi>
It works now, rebuilded chroot again and added nomodeset /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/default.cfg/default
08:38
those two most likely have nvidia chipsets
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<alkisg>
bengoa: "reduced blanking support" ==> do you mean "X_BLANKING" in lts.conf?
09:24
<bengoa>
alkisg, no, are different things, unfortunately. :-(
09:24
<alkisg>
What do you mean?
09:24
I.e. how would you solved your problem if you didn't use ltsp?
09:25
<bengoa>
I'm not sure about it yet. But looks like a problem with DVI monitors
09:25
I'm using a 42" LCD TV
09:25
and i'm trying to get 1920x1080 resolution
09:26
but when the startx runs, I got this error
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<bengoa>
1920x1080 (monitor doesn't support reduced blanking)
09:27
<alkisg>
And so you can go up to e.g. 1600x1200 but you can't reach 1920?
09:28
<bengoa>
1600x1200 not works, because is another aspect rate
09:28
A got 1280x720 with no problem
09:28
<alkisg>
What's the biggest mode supported?
09:28
<bengoa>
ops, I got..
09:29
<alkisg>
And your monitor says it supports 1920x1080?
09:29
<bengoa>
the monitor is 1920x1080
09:29
yes, on windows it works.
09:29
But it shames a lot :)
09:29
shames me ..
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<alkisg>
And I suppose "xrandr" on the client doesn't list 1920x1080, right?
09:30
<bengoa>
right
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<alkisg>
OK. If you set a quite big X_HORZSYNC and X_VERTREFRESH values in lts.conf you'll override the values gotten from EDID.
09:30
This will "unlock" all modes in xrandr, so you can test if 1920x1080 works
09:30
!lts.conf
09:30
<grantk>
Mornin all, anyone have any idea why I would be getting cannot connect to nbd server errors on a few terminals and not the rest? I have been battling some mean power outages the last few days because of storms, but I wanted to check if there was any other ideas other than power surges
09:30
<ltspbot>
alkisg: "lts.conf" :: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
09:31
<bengoa>
Yes. I got this error early. And than I changed this values
09:31
X_HORZSYNC = 30-75
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X_VERTREFRESH = 50-75
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<alkisg>
Those are really low, you need much higher values to get 1920
09:31
<bengoa>
but after the changes I become to get this new error (about reduced blanking)
09:31
how much more?
09:32
<alkisg>
I'm not sure. Try X_HORZSYNC=30-200, X_VERTREFRESH=50-75 and force XRANDR_MODE_0=1920x1080
09:33
grantk: is that consistent? I.e. those terms never boot?
09:33
<grantk>
no, worked Friday
09:34
<alkisg>
No idea then
09:34
<grantk>
Cool, me neither
09:36
<bengoa>
alkisg, let me try
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<bengoa>
alkisg, same error
09:43
(II) CHROME(0): Not using default mode "1920x1080" (monitor doesn't support reduced blanking)
09:43
:(
09:48
grantk, Reduced blanking has been created to save bandwidth on panel displays, where the sync and blanking may be reduced as there's no beam that has to be repositioned. What this means is that you can display the same resolution at the same frequency while using much less bandwidth and thus a lower dotclock.
09:48
seems to be something that exists :)
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<Blinny>
alkisg: Any ideas about other programs I could test the keepalive functionality with?
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<alkisg>
bengoa: maybe it's a problem with openchrome (lame drivers), does it work with XSERVER=vesa?
10:36
<bengoa>
in 1280x768 it works
10:36
in 1920 I don't test
10:36
let me check :)
10:38
<alkisg>
Blinny: try the following:
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sudo sysctl -w net.ipv4.tcp_keepalive_time=60
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sudo sysctl -w net.ipv4.tcp_keepalive_probes=3
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sudo sysctl -w net.ipv4.tcp_keepalive_intvl=1
10:38
sudo tcpdump -i lo -vv 'port 22'
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and from another terminal: ssh user@localhost
10:39
Leave it there, don't do anything. In a minute you should be seeing keepalive packets:
10:39
18:37:58.628786 IP6 (hlim 64, next-header TCP (6) payload length: 32) localhost.43417 > localhost.ssh: Flags [.], cksum 0x0c9f (correct), seq 2583, ack 2528, win 610, options [nop,nop,TS val 1173533 ecr 1163543], length 0
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18:37:58.628809 IP6 (hlim 64, next-header TCP (6) payload length: 32) localhost.ssh > localhost.43417: Flags [.], cksum 0x0c49 (correct), seq 2528, ack 2584, win 685, options [nop,nop,TS val 1173533 ecr 1163553], length 0
10:39
Then use sysctl again to restore the settings to the previous values.
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<bengoa>
alkisg, YEAH!
10:42
with vesa driver works :-D
10:42
<alkisg>
bengoa: then it's just another problem with the @#(*&(@#*$ openchrome drivers
10:43
Check their manual page, maybe you'll find some workaround there
10:43
(btw, openchrome complete ignores X_HORZSYNC and X_VERTREFRESH)
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<bengoa>
dammit :(
10:44
alkisg, Thanks a lot buddy. I'll take a look at openchrome manual
10:44
<alkisg>
e.g. Option "VBEModes" "True"
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<Blinny>
alkisg: http://pastebin.com/haBh616n
10:54
Just got two more packets
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<Blinny>
Let me see if I can grab the entire conversation
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<Blinny>
http://pastebin.com/i6LH7bvw
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That first block is the connection - the 2nd is after about a minute, then the 3rd I assume is awhile after the 2nd.
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<Blinny>
alkisg: That says to me that keepalive is working OK for SSH on lo, no?
11:24
<alkisg>
Blinny: yes, now try the same with port=2000. Leave the sysctl settings to 1 minute, boot a client and leave it waiting at ldm. Don't turn off the client.
11:25
sudo tcpdump -i eth1 -vv 'port 2000 or port 9572'
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(but do make certain that eth1 is the correct interface... you'll know if there's a lot of traffic when the client boots and it reads the nbd disk)
11:27
<Blinny>
OK trying now.
11:27
Yah plenty of traffic. I'm booting the same client I've been testing so far.
11:28
OK. 25333 packets to ldm
11:28
In another minute I should have 25337 or some such
11:30
Nope. Nothing after 12:28:03
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<alkisg>
OK, so inetd or tcpd or such is not sending keepalive packets
11:30
It's probably an error in hosts.allow, but I don't know why
11:31
<Blinny>
So. I'm guessing I should file with tcpd, and include hosts.allow, inetd.conf a description, the results of the SSH test, and this tcpdump capture file
11:32
<alkisg>
Yes, and also the hosts.allow attributes (ls -l)
11:32
<Blinny>
Dig.
11:32
Thank you for all your hand-holding through this. I appreciate it greatly.
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<alkisg>
When do you, notify the ltsp ML - maybe someone has an idea
11:32
np
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<Blinny>
Will do. Cheers.
11:33
Is this tcp-wrappers package?
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<alkisg>
$ dpkg -S /usr/sbin/tcpd
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tcpd: /usr/sbin/tcpd
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<Blinny>
Hrm.
11:34
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tcp-wrappers/+bug/341150
11:34
That might already explain the problem.
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<alkisg>
Try with my own hosts.allow: http://pastebin.com/xVmgE3yf
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<Blinny>
Well wait. Nevermind. I don't have any comments appended at the end of lines.
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<Blinny>
Trying the tcpdump with your hosts.allow
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<Blinny>
Well, a subset of it - took out comments and blocks that weren't mine
11:40
I get no keepalive packets with your hosts.allow
11:40
Yours is formatted differently than mine though
11:42
I'm sending my results to the ML just to make sure they're recorded somewhere.
11:44
Waitaminute
11:45
http://pastebin.com/XqTNFR1v
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<Blinny>
Let's try this again.
11:45
alkisg: Could that have been someone else on my /24 network?
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<alkisg>
Blinny: wireshark has a tcp analysis where you can specify there that you only want to see keep-alive packets
11:50
I don't know how to do the same with tcpdump
11:51
The keepalive packets have a length of zero, but with the headers it's usually 52
11:51
I don't see the length in your pastebin so I don't know if they're keepalive packets or not
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<Blinny>
I see them in wireshark when using your hosts.allow
11:54
I don't see them when using my hosts.allow
11:55
So some change in the allowable format of hosts.allow that has caused this!
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<Blinny>
Alright. Here we go again./
12:06
Yah.
12:07
So, next question - if I remove comments from my hosts.allow, do I get keep-alive requests
12:11
No.
12:11
I wonder if it's the 'ALL' that is breaking this
12:12
Or maybe the netmasks.
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<AndyGraybeal>
how do i set my users 'screen idle' to not lock the screen without having to log in as them and do it manually.. there's got to be another way to do it.
12:21
<alkisg>
There's a gconf setting for this, you can set the default for all users with gconftool-2
12:22
bbl
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<Blinny>
Cheers
12:25
<dgroos1>
I've been wondering the all-user set up of gconf also, thanks alkisg and AndyGraybeal :)
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<alkisg>
AndyGraybeal, dgroos1: for example, to make it mandatory:
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sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --set /apps/gnome-screensaver/lock_enabled --type boolean "false"
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(use "defaults" to make it default but not mandatory)
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<AndyGraybeal>
is there a way to have user automatically logout after 15 minutes of inactivity?
12:49
alkisg: does that globally change all users?
12:50
i mean the current ones that already use the system?
12:50
<Blinny>
alkisg: The keepalive problem exists when using 'ALL' for a daemon/process name in hosts.allow
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<AndyGraybeal>
alkisg: that appears to have exit
13:02
er crap
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<alkisg>
AndyGraybeal: you can change the screensaver to a logout program
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Blinny: so it works if you specify nbd-server instead of "ALL"? OK, that does sound like a bug... :)
13:23
Ah OK I saw the ML, nice catch.
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<Blinny>
I rebooted this client in testing enough times that I've almost filled my tmp drive again (;
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<dgroos1>
alkisg: thanks for the code--I'll add it to the BasicSetup page.
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<bengoa>
alkisg, Will you go to the BTS-2010?
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<cellofellow>
Hello.
13:49
While I know it's not thin clients, I was wondering if someone here could give me some help in setting up Ubuntu to boot some diskless net-booted fat-clients? It's all the same till the point when the client opens an X-over-SSH session anyway, right?
13:49
<AndyGraybeal>
alkisg: ahh.. specify screensaver to a logout program
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<vagrantc>
cellofellow: there are options to do that with LTSP
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<cellofellow>
vagrantc: oh, cool! Where's the documentation?
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<vagrantc>
!docs
13:51
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "docs" :: For the most current documentation, see https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_LtspDocumentationUpstream
13:51
<vagrantc>
don't know how much that addresses fat client support
13:52
ubuntu actually has a commandline option you can use when building the LTSP chroot
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<alkisg>
bengoa: I hope so, but I don't know 100% yet :-/
13:52
!fatclients
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<ltspbot>
alkisg: "fatclients" :: You may find some info about the Ubuntu/LTSP implementation of fat clients at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
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<cellofellow>
vagrantc: hm, OK I'll look for that.
13:52
<alkisg>
cellofellow: ^^^
13:52
<cellofellow>
alkisg: thanks
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<bengoa>
I hope you can. If you can, see you there :0
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<alkisg>
vagrantc: (language question :)) doesn't LTSP_HANDLE_DAEMONS=false mean that "LTSP *won't* handle the daemons, so they'll run normally"? With my insufficient english knowledge, I would expect that we used LTSP_HANDLE_DAEMONS=true instead...
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<vagrantc>
alkisg: well, i was thinking of it in terms of HANDLE_DAEMONS, and simply prepending LTSP for context
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<alkisg>
Ah, I didn't know such a variable was already used somewhere
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<vagrantc>
i didn't either, but didn't want to risk it
14:08
either way you do it, it could look backwards. just depends on the perspective
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<alkisg>
Maybe LTSP_ALLOW_DAEMONS=false would be more clear?
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(anyway my problem is that I just can't get myself to remember if "false" or "true" is the correct value and I have to look at the source code each time :))
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<vagrantc>
how often do you need to use it?
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<alkisg>
As soon as ubuntu properly packages ltsp-chroot, I hope I can stop using it completely
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(now ltsp-chroot isn't on /usr/sbin/ like in debian... :-/)
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<vagrantc>
still?
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<alkisg>
stgraber: could you take care of this when you have some free time? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/589833
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<AndyGraybeal>
alkisg: that command you gave me, the gconftool-2 one, it greys out the 'screensaver' option but leaves the 'lock screen' option still open.
14:17
err.. wait a second.. i logged in as 'andy' and they are both gray now.
14:17
interesting.
14:17
do i need to run that command as the user i want it to effect?
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<alkisg>
AndyGraybeal: post your /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory/%gconf-tree.xml and /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/%gconf-tree.xml to pastebin
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<AndyGraybeal>
k
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<alkisg>
mandatory == that policy is enforced to all users. A logoff/logon is required for the currently logged on users, though
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default = it's the default setting for users that didn't select some other setting
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<AndyGraybeal>
okay thank you, interesting
14:19
i've never been into this stuff before.
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<AndyGraybeal>
alkisg: here it is: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/cLBAEhFE
14:27
it looks like there is nothing in my defaults. the things that are in my mandatory are both from your suggestions.
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<alkisg>
OK, all looks good
14:27
And your problem is that both are grayed out, and you only want the lock screen grayed out?
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<AndyGraybeal>
well, both grayed out would be perfect.. also to disable any selection of a screen saver would be good. i guess i need to find a 'logout' program and set the screensaver to it; have th scren saver on; and make it so they can't change that.
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<alkisg>
gnome-session-save --logout would do. Or the dbus-send equivelant
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<AndyGraybeal>
ah nice
14:32
i like the gnome-session-save --logout
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<alkisg>
dbus-send --session --dest=org.gnome.SessionManager --type=method_call --print-reply --reply-timeout=2000 /org/gnome/SessionManager org.gnome.SessionManager.Logout uint32:1
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<AndyGraybeal>
woah, nice :)
14:32
<alkisg>
This also has options to show the user the logout dialog or not
14:32
<AndyGraybeal>
ah that is nice
14:32
<alkisg>
(the uint32 parameter)
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<AndyGraybeal>
is there a graphical tool i can look at these gconftool settings?
14:33
so i can just browse it - cause i would also like them not to mess around with the '15 minute' time out setting
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<alkisg>
http://people.gnome.org/~mccann/gnome-session/docs/gnome-session.html#org.gnome.SessionManager.Logout
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You can use gconf-editor for this
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<AndyGraybeal>
ah nice
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<scrut>
hello all toghether iam new to ltsp and get some problems to set it up on gentoo. when i'm runnung ltsp-build-client it fails with "cp: ommitting directory /opt/ltsp/x86/usr/share/zoneinfo/". does anybody know this problem?
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<johnny>
that should be cp -r..
14:42
i wonder why it's not
14:42
<scrut>
i searched the scripts but didn't find anything, i guess -r option is missing
14:42
<johnny>
nobody else has mentioned that problem
14:42
knipwim, have you seen it?
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i'm the one who coded most of that, but i don't actually have a gentoo devel box anymre
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<scrut>
ok, any hind where i can fix it up...
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<scrut>
ah ;) and my english... maybe it gets better
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so johnny, any solution or should i install unbuntu ;) and copy ltsp ?
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<johnny>
no.. you can't copy it
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best to just start a new chroot
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if you want something that will always stay working, i recommend ubuntu
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the gentoo support is for somebody who doesn't mind getting dirty
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i don't know where to look really, wait on knipwim
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see if he's seen it before
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<scrut>
i tried another way too, building the chroot enviroment manually but on boottime ltsp said "you are not in an ltsp chroot". what does it mean ? remember i'm new to it ;)
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<johnny>
don't do it
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if you don't want to learn, you should probably use ubuntu ltsp
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ubuntu's ltsp is great.. i use it
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even though i made the gentoo support
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<johnny>
someone here almost got the gentoo thing working yesterday and didn't mention that cp -r issue
15:03
oh.. hmm..
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what was the command line to ltsp-build-client you gave?
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i don't think it should be copying the directory, only the active file
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which is why it errored out
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<scrut>
lol ;) ok but it's my first try and i don't give up
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<johnny>
scrut, ?
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i think you passed the wrong command line option
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<scrut>
one moment...
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<johnny>
or havee a bad config file (if you created one)
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<scrut>
ok, i tried without all just ltsp-build-client and with some options in the conf file
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<johnny>
who told you about theconf file?
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<scrut>
the tutorial
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<johnny>
also.. btw.. the real problem is that all the docs i've seen suck.. nobody asked for my input in writing them
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and i'm the one who wrote the thing
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<scrut>
i used google :(
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to find some information
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<johnny>
yeah.. you probably found terrible docs
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<scrut>
and getting more and more confused
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<johnny>
i would write docs.. if i had an install to document. but i'd rather somebody else do it :)
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i'm looking for somebody who actually wants to write them an wants to take care of ltsp on gentoo
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i just don't have time, as i don't really use gentoo anymore on the desktop
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only on my linode
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<scrut>
time today? that's difficult ;)
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ok, you suggest to create a ltsp-build-client.conf, but is it possible to set the timezone in there?
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<johnny>
no.. i suggest you don't use one
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or just that the one you have is wront
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wrong
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if you have timezone set in there.. remove it
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<scrut>
johnny thanks alot, i try to get some steps furhter and come back tomorrow
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