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Channel log from 26 April 2010   (all times are UTC)

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<gnunux>
hi
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<alkisg>
Good morning
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<vmlintu>
morning
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<CrypTom>
Hi all, I've just updated my ltps-server from ubuntu 9.04 to 10.04. Now, my client tells me: "PXE-T02: Forbidden directory" and "PXE-E3C: TFTP Error: Access Violation"
02:49
I've seen the file /etc/default/tftpd-hpa with strange values, what do I need to put there?
02:49
<Appiah>
what does the paths looks like?
02:52
<CrypTom>
TFTP_DIRECTORY="/srv/tftp"
02:52
I changed it to /var/lib/tftpboot with no luck
02:52
<Appiah>
hmm
02:52
shouldnt it be to opt/i386 something
02:53
<CrypTom>
ok
02:53
you mean /opt/ltsp/i386
02:54
<Appiah>
ye try that
02:54
sorry have no access to my ltspinstalls atm
02:54
<CrypTom>
hmm, no change
02:55
what values do I need to put for TFTP_USERNAME TFTP_OPTIONS and TFTP_ADDRESSS?
02:55
<Appiah>
filename "/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0";
02:55
option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386";
02:55
umm
02:55
na that cant be right
02:56
<CrypTom>
that are the DHCP Options
02:56
<Appiah>
:)
02:56
yes but the DHCP should send out the tftp options
02:57
<alkisg>
CrypTom: http://pastebin.com/wHbU0r7Q
02:58
<CrypTom>
it does, of course
02:58
ok, I changed the settings, restarted tftpd-hpa
02:59
and it works!
02:59
thanks
02:59
<alkisg>
np
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<CrypTom>
hmm, when I login to kde, I just get a black background, no bars, no windows, no menus nothing, just black and a mouse pointer arrow
03:16
the login-sound however is played
03:19
<johnny>
alkisg, i'm about to get some atom terminals i think
03:19
@125usd
03:19
altho they come with no ram
03:19
so.. it's about 145 each
03:20
<alkisg>
Nice... I'd get netbooks with $ 200 though :P
03:20
<johnny>
that won't work with something that's not supposed to be mobile
03:20
or be so small
03:20
err small screen*
03:21
<alkisg>
Sure, different needs... :)
03:21* alkisg is having pulseaudio problems, it's making all processes hang...
03:21
<johnny>
/me is heading to bed now
03:21
<alkisg>
G'night
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<erikyyy>
hello. i am completely puzzled. ltsp boots, then e100: eth0: e100_watchdog: link up, 100 MBps, full-duplex. next line: IP-Config: no response after 180 secs - giving up. ... can't open /tmp/net-eth0.conf. kernel-panit - not syncing: attempted to kjill init!
04:00
if i reset several times sometime it just works.
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<alkisg>
erikyyy: distro/version?
04:06
<erikyyy>
debian lenny updated. ltsp chroot also updated.
04:08
am currently adding debug code to initramfs scripts to show point of failure
04:08
<alkisg>
erikyyy: are you seeing the dhcp request in your server logs?
04:08
You can just put break=mount in pxelinux.cfg/default and run ipconfig manually, you don't need to modify the initramfs code
04:08
<erikyyy>
it hangs in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/nfs --> # loop unteil nfsmount succeeds
04:09
ah ok moment
04:10
ok i now did break=mount anf have a shell. how can i debug?
04:11
i ran ipconfig and it works. hm
04:12
<alkisg>
So if you press ctrl+d it continues?
04:13
<erikyyy>
wait. sometimes "ipconfig eth0" crashes
04:13
so ipconfig is my problem.
04:15
<alkisg>
ubuntu has switched to udhcp
04:15
afaik debian has all the udhcp hooks in place
04:15
So if you install udhcp in the chroot, and update your initramfs, it'll be used instead of ipconfig
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<alkisg>
(to check, see if you have an init-premount/udhcp script in the initramfs)
04:20
<erikyyy>
i don't have
04:20
shall i try and install udhcp?
04:21
i installed udhcpc and still don't have dhcp files in iitramfs scipts dir
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<alkisg>
Maybe the scripts are in sid or in backports
04:23
Ask vagrantc when he joins the channel later on
04:23
In the meantime, try putting IPAPPEND 3 as the last line of pxelinux.cfg/default
04:23
<erikyyy>
can i somehow assign static ip with PXE instead of using DHCP ?
04:23
<alkisg>
yes, but ipappend 3 is better, try it first.
04:24
<erikyyy>
what is ipappend 3 ?
04:24
<alkisg>
(12:23:33 μμ) alkisg: In the meantime, try putting IPAPPEND 3 as the last line of pxelinux.cfg/default
04:24
it means to reuse the IP it got in the pxe stage
04:24
<erikyyy>
ok
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<alkisg>
*if* you have problems with ipappend, here's a page I wrote on how to assign static ips: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/StaticIPsWithDHCP
04:26
gotta go, bbl
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<erikyyy>
it appended static ips automatically
04:27
but still it does DHCP
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even though i see autogenerated kernel parameters at boot time
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<alkisg>
? it shouldn't do dhcp with ipappend 3
04:28
Anyway gotta go, good luck
04:28
<erikyyy>
ah i should dtop ip=dhcp kernel option probabyl
04:30
thanks!
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<erikyyy>
how can i set hostname to something else than "ltsp" if i cannot use dhcp?
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<nicolas>
hello je suis nouveau sur ltsp j ai un probleme de configuation de clavier souris quelqu un oeut il m aider?
05:42
hi im a newbie on ltsp trying to deploy it , i m stuck on the devices conf : i loos both keyboard and mouse as soon as the ldm or rdesktop screen appears
05:42
has anyone seen that?
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<alkisg>
erikyyy: about the hostname, read the wiki page I pointed you
05:56
nicolas: try to run ltsp-update-kernels
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<Caterpillar>
lol bulletxt
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<bulletxt>
Caterpillar:
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<Caterpillar>
gg
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<nicolas>
alkisg : it doesn t work , i wonder wether it s not the xdmcp server , is there a way to check it s working?
06:18
my server is an ubuntu with gdm runing
06:18
<alkisg>
? ubuntu doesn't use xdmcp
06:18
...nor gdm, it uses ldm
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<nicolas>
sorry i m probably lost i thought there was some kind on connection that ldm was initating an ssh connection
06:35
what should i check to understand the problem in my case?
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<knipwim>
the folks at launchpad just posted this topic in their channel
07:05
"Code browsing is producing Internal Server Errors -- investigating"
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<jonkke>
hello
07:31
any LDAP gurus around?
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<sep>
jonkke, you should simply try to ask your question,
07:36
<jonkke>
i'm working on it :)
07:36
i'm trying to set up my LDAP with this quide: http://www.opinsys.fi/setting-up-openldap-on-ubuntu-10-04-alpha2
07:37
and get error like here: http://ltsp.pastebin.com/N20H0BZ4
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i'm really not familiar with ldap and any help would be appreciated
07:40
<sep>
i'v never used the olcdatabase, are you sure your openldap is recent enough version to deal with that. afaik it's a pretty new feature
07:41
<jonkke>
OpenLDAP: slapd 2.4.21 (Apr 15 2010 08:03:32)
07:41
<sep>
also if you just want it working, you would try running a debian-edu mainserver it have ldap set up out of the box. and i am sure you can conncet a ubuntu ltsp server to it if the ltsp in debian-edu does not work for you
07:42
<jonkke>
debian edu sounds great
07:42
maybe i should try that
07:43
because for some reason i just can't understand anything about ldap...
07:43
<sep>
edu does not have kerberos out of the box yet tho.
07:44
saw it in the url you pasted
07:44
<alkisg>
sbalneav had written some very easy instructions on how to setup ldap
07:44
He put them on the edubuntu site I think...
07:45
<jonkke>
i had it set up few years ago, but so many things have changed
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<jonkke>
and because i can't get oclAccess to work, that is why i have "invalid credentials" when i try to add group??
07:54
or is there something else messed up too?
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<alkisg>
!compiz
07:58
<ltspbot`>
alkisg: "compiz" :: if compiz is giving you problems, one way to disable it for all users is: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
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<alkisg>
!learn button_layout as To revert the Ubuntu button position and ordering to their old values, run: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /apps/metacity/general/button_layout ":minimize,maximize,close"
08:03
<ltspbot`>
alkisg: The operation succeeded.
08:03
<alkisg>
!button_layout
08:03
<ltspbot`>
alkisg: "button_layout" :: To revert the Ubuntu button position and ordering to their old values, run: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /apps/metacity/general/button_layout :minimize,maximize,close
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<vmlintu>
jonkke: have you done any changes to the setup in the blog?
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<vmlintu>
jonkke: could you put in pastebin also the other ldif files and commands you used?
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<komunista>
hello all
08:42* vagrantc waves
08:45
<sbalneav>
Morning all
08:45
jonkke: Trouble with LDAP?
08:45
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: hi! :)
08:46
<sbalneav>
vagrantc: Morning!!
08:46
jonkke: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Edubuntu/WikiSite/SimpleLDAPSetup
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<alkisg>
I'm reading in /etc/default/nfs-common that "# Do you want to start the statd daemon? It is not needed for NFSv4." Yet my fat clients have problems if statd isn't running. So, what exactly should I be doing to "use NFSv4"?
09:07
<vagrantc>
a lot of reading.
09:07
:)
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<alkisg>
vagrantc: heh, so if I just put something in /etc/exports and install nfs-kernel-server, I'm using nfs3?
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<vagrantc>
alkisg: almost certainly.
09:08
<alkisg>
Thanks, then I should be looking at why statd stopped starting by default in recent Lucid...
09:08* alkisg blames upstart once more
09:08
<alkisg>
vagrantc: any significant downsides if I use "defaults,nolock" in fstab?
09:09
<vagrantc>
ah, maybe i make too many assumptions about nfsv3 staying the default :)
09:09
alkisg: only if you need write access.
09:09
<alkisg>
It's for fat client's /home
09:09
<vagrantc>
ah.
09:09
<alkisg>
So yeah, write access is needed, but locks? Not so much...
09:10
<vagrantc>
as long as you'll *never* have two files being written to simultaneously...
09:10
<alkisg>
(if I read the man pages correctly, it should only affect multiple logons from the same user in different machines)
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<vagrantc>
nothing to prove the point like trial and error :)
09:11
<alkisg>
Hmm I wonder how it would behave with the read-write shared folders that some people are using under /home...
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<Ga{{aa>
i'v installed ltsp serv dhcp3 openssh - boot procces and image up well on client PC, but autorisation gives nothing. How to add User to Thin manager or edit list of users foe ltsp clients?
09:19
<vagrantc>
!release
09:19
<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: "release" :: please mention the linux distro and release you're using :)
09:19
<vagrantc>
Ga{{aa: ^^
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<Ga{{aa>
ubuntu Carmic
09:20
server 64 bit
09:20
last updates
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<ogra_cmpc>
check /var/log/auth.log and ~/.xsession-erros for that user on the server
09:21
*-errors
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<Ga{{aa>
ok thanks
10:01
<ogra_cmpc>
Ga{{aa, if auth.log shows the login went fine it can only be an issue with the desktop session of the user on the server
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<Ga{{aa>
auth.log shows no auths i think i have mistaken while doing install server/ mount events report errors when booting client
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<sbalneav>
Ga{{aa: Do you get a login prompt when you boot the thin client?
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<epaphus>
hello all. I have a thin client with 1GB RAM. Running firefox as a local app... *somehow* it consumed all of the RAM with 25tabs opened. "free" in the thin client reports its swapping ..
10:45
Where is it swapping to? the Hard Disk on the server? How to work this out?
10:45
<alkisg>
epaphus: that might be compcache
10:45
==> compressed ram stored in the client ram
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<alkisg>
If you didn't declare NBD_SWAP=yes, then there's no swapping on the server.
10:46
If the clients have local disks, it'd be best to create a local swap partition.
10:46
<epaphus>
alkisg, well free says its swapping 3megabytes.
10:46
either that or put more RAM?
10:47
because firefox is running very slow
10:47
<alkisg>
1 gb ram should be plenty for firefox
10:47
If you got a lot of flash players open, check the client cpu usage
10:47
<epaphus>
yeah :(
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<sbalneav>
epaphus: With 25 tabs? Heh, not surprising, if there's a lot of images.
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<epaphus>
Weird.. a standalone ubuntu install with 100tabs opened occupes 1GB only. sbalneav
10:48
<sbalneav>
Tabs isn't the problem.
10:49
it's content on the tabs.
10:49
<epaphus>
ok
10:49
<sbalneav>
But the more tabs you've got open, the higher chance you've got content on the tabs that's eating a lot of text.
10:49
ram, sorry,
10:50
If you've got 100 tabs open, but all they contain is text, and NOTHING else, it's not going to use up very much.
10:51
<epaphus>
okey .. i will uninstall java first see if it gets better.
10:51
<sbalneav>
But if you've got 1 tab open that has 50 jpeg images, each 1 meg big (as a jpeg), that's going to occupy a HUGE amount of ram, since the X server doesn't store images in compressed formats.
10:52
<epaphus>
ah ok..
10:53
<sbalneav>
epaphus: using xrestop can give you a clue as to how much ram your X server's using.
10:54
Here's a quick snapshot of my current X server running on my box here:
10:54
res-base Wins GCs Fnts Pxms Misc Pxm mem Other Total PID Identifier
10:54
2200000 56 2 1 26 1027 9778K 26K 9804K ? compiz
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0200000 0 1 0 1 0 5120K 24B 5120K ? <unknown>
10:54
2600000 273 67 1 46 97 2075K 11K 2086K 1913 gtk-window-decorator
10:54
1c00000 9 40 1 17 47 1710K 3K 1713K 1880 x-nautilus-desktop
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<sbalneav>
At the top? Guess what's sucking up a nice 10 megs of X server ram? MY FAVORITE PROGRAM OF ALL TIME!!!111one :)
10:56
running xrestop on the thin client, then opening pages should allow you to see what pages are sucking up what ram.
10:56* vagrantc learns a new tool
10:57
<sbalneav>
where was the funny compiz thing we did?
10:57
ummm
10:57
<ogra_cmpc>
!compiz
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<ltspbot`>
ogra_cmpc: "compiz" :: if compiz is giving you problems, one way to disable it for all users is: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
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<sbalneav>
!disable-compiz-the-sbalneav-way
10:58
<ltspbot`>
sbalneav: "disable-compiz-the-sbalneav-way" :: apt-get purge compiz && remove-from-upstream-repo compiz && target-icbm-on-upstream-hosting-service compiz
10:59
<ogra_cmpc>
heh
11:00
<sbalneav>
http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=pycups.git;a=commit;h=1532168b2d67f83237573dd2f29ccfa4432bd8cf
11:00
My patches made it upstream! Woohoo
11:00
<ogra_cmpc>
finally
11:01
<sbalneav>
Well, not my cups patches. :(
11:01
<ogra_cmpc>
only took you ... what ... a year ?
11:01
oh
11:01
<sbalneav>
this is to work around broken cups :(
11:01
I'm going to rewrite the pstops filter in python .
11:01
<ogra_cmpc>
ah,, bad
11:01
<sbalneav>
Tim Wuagh from RH seemed to be slightly more amenable to patches.
11:02
so I'll write it in python.
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<epaphus>
sbalneav, does firefox as a localapp use more ram IN LTSP, then one in a standalone? or same?
11:06
<knipwim>
johnny: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~wimmuskee/ltsp/ltsp-gentoo-dev/revision/4
11:06
it seems to be working now
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<sbalneav>
epaphus: Should use the same.
11:11
The only issue is: on the server, you've usually got a nice, big, fat, juicy swap partition available for you to use.
11:11
Some people who have spare hard drives drop one in the thin client, and JUST configure it for swap.
11:11
<epaphus>
iam a believer that swap should never never be used :)
11:12
<sbalneav>
I agree.
11:12
<epaphus>
i prefer adding more ram
11:12
<sbalneav>
but then you need enough ram.
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<johnny>
knipwim, and that can log to the server?
11:18
<knipwim>
yup
11:19
you do need to catch all udp traffic though instead of tcp
11:20
i was wondering however
11:20
why the configure_syslog script in the ltsp-client-setup conf.d isn't used
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<knipwim>
but the configure_syslog in ltsp-init-common
11:23
sorry, all the scripts in client/initscripts/Gentoo/ltsp-client-setup.initd aren't used if an equivalant script also exists in ltsp-init-common
11:23
<vagrantc>
functions?
11:23
<knipwim>
id, scripts = functions
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<vagrantc>
knipwim: we've rewritten a lot of the scripts that i think gentoo had based it's init scripts on... moved most of it into ltsp-init-common
11:25
<knipwim>
functions which are included by . /usr/share/ltsp/ltsp-init-common are overwritten?
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<vagrantc>
hopefully it's mostly useful enough
11:25
knipwim: depends on if they're defined before or after that's sourced
11:25
<knipwim>
after
11:26
ehm, no
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<vagrantc>
whatever is the last to be defined "stays"
11:29
knipwim: looks like you have a function that sources ltsp-init-common ... so it depends on when that function gets called weather other things get overridden... or are functions defined inside of a function their own scope?
11:31
<johnny>
knipwim, rsyslog seems to be the new "standard" logger
11:31
<vagrantc>
nope... functions defined inside of a function go global.
11:31
<johnny>
i think i'd like to go with that
11:31
<vagrantc>
fedora uses rsyslog, debian uses rsyslog... i suspect ubuntu switched as well
11:32
<johnny>
pretty sure they did
11:33
<knipwim>
gentoo has rsyslog!
11:34
<stgraber>
yep, ubuntu uses rsyslog
11:35
<johnny>
vagrantc, the init.d file was based on both debian's and fedora's init file
11:35
i stole logic from both, but the overall structure came from debian
11:36
i stole warren's auto hostname creation and tftp
11:36
<alkisg>
stgraber, did you see the whole udhcp mess? The new sid udhcpc package is based on busybox, and it supports a -C switch to not send a clientid at all.. I hope we can do an SRU when that is ready.
11:36
<johnny>
for lts.conf, since we can't get it in the initramfs
11:36
<vagrantc>
johnny: that's what i thought
11:36
<johnny>
/me cries
11:37
they lost my keyboard shortcut for marking all messages read in evo
11:37
anybody on lucid (or any gnome 2.30x) can verify that mark all messages as read is gone in evo?
11:38
<alkisg>
johnny: what?
11:38
<stgraber>
alkisg: SRU means "same version", is it the case ?
11:38
<vagrantc>
it made the UI too complicated, and people should read more anyways.
11:38
<alkisg>
stgraber: no. Dah
11:39
johnny: I can select a bunch of messages and select "mark as read", is that what you mean?
11:39
<johnny>
alkisg, there was a keyboard shortcut
11:39
<stgraber>
johnny: ctrl-+ seems to work (appears as "Mark all as read" in the message menu)
11:39
<johnny>
hmm..
11:39
lemme try.. althoi don't see the shortcut there
11:39
it used to be ctrl /
11:39
<stgraber>
ctrl+/ sorry
11:39
I never use it ;)
11:40
<alkisg>
stgraber: can we at least put an "if" in the ltsp code, to not send a client id based on some criteria? (e.g. if the newer udhcp is manually installed)... because now it's pretty broken for everything other than dhcp3-server
11:40
<johnny>
ah, you see that shortcut ?
11:40
<alkisg>
stgraber: I had to go back to not using udhcp at all :-/
11:40
<johnny>
maybe it's fixed in the next evo release? there was a bug where that option didn't work at all
11:41
<stgraber>
alkisg: we probably can have that option added as a sru but I think it's more useful to have it upstream as a lot of people seem to go with using my PPA anyway ...
11:41
alkisg: then I can probably just have the new udhcp in my PPA too and that'll do the trick
11:41
<alkisg>
Right, that's a good plan
11:42
OK, as soon as the new package lands on ubuntu, we'll check how we can do that if
11:42
<knipwim>
vagrantc: check on the scope, i need to call the Gentoo functions before i source the ltsp-init-common
11:42
<stgraber>
alkisg: assuming it's in unstable, that sync should happen in two weeks or so
11:42
<vagrantc>
knipwim: yes.
11:43
<alkisg>
stgraber: it is. Ah, very nice, so I'll have it in Lucid for greek schools.
11:43
(they all use my ppa)
11:50
<johnny>
knipwim, the goal is to use almost none gentoo functions
11:50
<knipwim>
i know :)
11:50
<johnny>
if there's a function that you need to supplement another function, rename it
11:50
if it does any kind of shimming or whatnot
11:50
<knipwim>
that's a good one
11:51
because some functions don't work before the ltsp-init-common source
11:51
<johnny>
it's not like bash has any objects/classes :)
11:51
<knipwim>
because lts.conf is not there yet
11:51
<johnny>
knipwim, don't forgot that we can also fix things in ltsp-init-common if they are somewhat generic
11:52
you do have to talk to other developers before doing that tho
11:52
not just me
11:52
<knipwim>
i won't forget
11:52
and i will
11:52
<johnny>
/me is thinking about orderingg some msi wind barebones book sized computers
11:53
anybody else has any decent terms that clock in at around $150 USD?
11:53
<knipwim>
johnny: you'll be pleased to know there's a gentoo user regularly posting bugs at gentoo on ltsp
11:53
<johnny>
/me burned himself :(
11:53
i touched the side of a very hotpan.. and it's the part that is right on the edge of my laptop..
11:54
so weird.. it's right at the spot where the edge of the laptop is , if i'm typing
11:54
knipwim, that's goood
11:55
it seems like a gsoc student will finish dracut for gsoc
11:55
so.. we can drop this genkernel initrd stuff for real
11:55
<knipwim>
that's good
11:55
<johnny>
/me isn't sure how that's a summe project tho.. i hope the kid has more to do
11:55
seems like it should take a week maybe?
11:55
probably less
11:56
just depending on how much they already know about it i guess
11:56
how linux boots and all
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<Gadi>
stgraber: I noticed that the lucid package is missing /usr/share/ltsp/kioskSession in the client package (used in the kiosk screen script) - could you make sure to add it?
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<johnny>
does kiosk mode still work in lucid?
12:24
anybody tested it recently?
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<Gadi>
johnny: it will be broken without that script
12:28
and it works differently than in the past
12:28* Gadi needs to add some docs
12:28
<thunsucker>
Gadi: we talked a while back about audio issues where when my clients use the rdesktop screen script, they randomly loose audio with or without using pulse
12:28
Gadi: you suggested it was a driver issue but that was as far as we got
12:28
<Gadi>
still having the issues, I suppose?
12:28
<thunsucker>
Gadi: yes
12:29
<Gadi>
can you get the output of lspci -vnn for those machines?
12:29
<thunsucker>
sure just a second
12:31
gadi: will you remind me the command to send that to the server?
12:31
<Gadi>
you want to run "lspci -vnn" on the client
12:31
<thunsucker>
Gadi: yes i know and i have
12:32
<Gadi>
ah
12:32
<thunsucker>
Gadi: you want to see it or are you looking for a specific section
12:32
<Gadi>
well look at the audio section
12:32
and copy the firest line
12:32
*first
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<thunsucker>
well if i can stay connected
12:44
gadi: http://pastebin.org/181621
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<Gadi>
thunsucker: what version of alsa is on the client?
12:49
<thunsucker>
Gadi: not sure
12:50
<Gadi>
dpkg -l alsa-utils
12:50
(on the client)
12:51
<thunsucker>
version 1.0.20-2ubuntu6
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<denisesball>
hey guys trying to enable xdmcp on an ltsp server on ubuntu 10.04 which had worked last week, but trying it on another server im just getting black screen when trying to connect
12:53
<Gadi>
thunsucker: try going thru some of these steps on the client: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshootingProcedure
12:53
<thunsucker>
gadi: k
12:54
<Gadi>
thunsucker: you may simply need to upgrade alsa in the chroot
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<Gadi>
denisesball: is that other server on a different subnet?
12:55
<denisesball>
nope, its on the same switch as my computer im connecting from
12:55
i had to rebuild it, and following the same process as before i'm not able to connect where i was before
12:55
<Gadi>
have you restarted gdm?
12:55
<denisesball>
just copying /usr/share/doc/gdm/examples/custom.conf /etc/gdm/ and adding Enable=true
12:55
yeah restarted gdm, restarted the whole server
12:56
i think i was actually talking to you about it last week Gadi, before we started trying your ldm script
12:56
<Gadi>
denisesball: is you server listening on port 177?
12:57
<denisesball>
PORT STATE SERVICE
12:57
177/tcp closed xdmcp
12:57
guess not
12:57
<Gadi>
177/udp
12:58
( sudo netstat -anp|grep :177 )
12:59
<denisesball>
yeah still nothing
12:59
oops, yeah it is
12:59
sorry
12:59
termserver2:~$ sudo netstat -anp|grep :177
12:59
udp6 0 0 :::177 :::* 812/gdm-binary
12:59
<Gadi>
cool
12:59
any firewalls up?
12:59
(sudo iptables -L)
13:00
<denisesball>
nothing different from last week...lemme take a look
13:00
yeah nothing from that
13:00
<Gadi>
sudo iptables -t nat -L
13:00
<denisesball>
nothing, just a fresh ltsp install
13:00
just finished installing
13:01
<Gadi>
hmm... should be good to go then - unless the switch is blocking something
13:01
<thunsucker>
gadi: on the alsa upgrade it wants me to do, should I do that on the chroot and sever, or just the chroot?
13:01
<denisesball>
im literally connected to the same switch
13:02
<Gadi>
thunsucker: ultimately, you will want to just upgrade alsa in the chroot
13:02
<denisesball>
does it matter that it's udp6?
13:02
shouldnt it just be udp?
13:03
<Gadi>
no - that's fine
13:03
<thunsucker>
Gadi: ty I will get started
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<Gadi>
thunsucker: you may want to run that script in step 3 on the client first, to see if you have mismatched libs or something
13:06
<denisesball>
Gadi: i'm using tsclient with xdmcp as the option, anything wrong with that?
13:06
dont know what else could be going on here
13:08
<Gadi>
denisesball: still have Xnest handy?
13:08
<denisesball>
yep
13:08
<Gadi>
denisesball: run: Xnest :2 -query <ip>
13:09
where <ip> = ip of the xdmcp server
13:09
<denisesball>
Fatal server error:
13:09
XDMCP fatal error: Session declined Maximum number of open sessions from your host reached
13:09
hm
13:09
<Gadi>
there a go - you may need to adjust that parameter in your custom.conf
13:10
denisesball: under [xdmcp] add: MaxSessions=100
13:10
and restart gdm
13:10
<denisesball>
ok i added DisplaysPerHost=2 and now i get just the black window again
13:11
i added your option too
13:11
$ sudo Xnest :2 -query 10.30.40.137
13:11
[dix] Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic, removing from list!
13:11
[config/dbus] couldn't take over org.x.config: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied (Connection ":1.15561" is not allowed to own the service "org.x.config.display2" due to security policies in the configuration file)
13:11
(EE) config/hal: NewInputDeviceRequest failed (2)
13:11
thats what i get
13:11
with the black window
13:11
could this be related to any of those option you had me add last week?
13:12
<Gadi>
nope
13:12
we didnt touch gdm
13:12
on the server, check the syslog
13:12
see if gdm is saying anything
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<denisesball>
/var/log/gdm# cat ::ffff:10.30.40.197:2-slave.log
13:16
XIO: fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server "::ffff:10.30.40.197:2.0"
13:16
after 13 requests (7 known processed) with 0 events remaining
13:16
that mean anything to you?
13:17
thats my IP
13:17
im connecting FROM
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<Gadi>
does *your* machine have a firewall?
13:18
<denisesball>
nope
13:18
same machine i was using last week
13:18
for the exact same purpose
13:19
just a layer2 switch in between, cant be any port blocking
13:20
<Gadi>
denisesball: that is weird, tho -looks like an ipv6 address munged with an ipv4 address
13:20
er DISPLAY
13:21
<denisesball>
yeah thats why i thought that udp6 looked weird
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<denisesball>
Gadi: just tried it from a coworker's PC and it worked!
13:23
wtf
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<denisesball>
gotta be something we did with xnest last week
13:25
<Gadi>
hmm...
13:25
I don't recall doing much of anything other than installing it
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<denisesball>
2010-04-20.txt:Apr 20 16:36:19 <Gadi> try: xhost +
13:26
that?
13:26
<Gadi>
but, that would last on your side only for the session
13:26
have you logged out/in since then?
13:26
<denisesball>
2010-04-20.txt:Apr 20 16:33:24 <Gadi> in a terminal, type: xhost +localhost
13:26
we also did that
13:26
no i havent logged out
13:26
<Gadi>
ah
13:27
so, maybe
13:27
but if you log out/in that should cure it
13:27
<denisesball>
i never log out
13:27
<Gadi>
hehe
13:27
<denisesball>
let me try real quick
13:27
brb
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<denisesball>
well, no help Gadi. i even logged in as a different user and no help
13:33
<Gadi>
what was the log for the coworker's PC that worked?
13:33
<denisesball>
wonder if a reboot is worth a shot
13:34
u wann aknow what the log said or what the filename is?
13:34
<Gadi>
prolly just the filename
13:34
<denisesball>
::ffff:10.30.40.130:1-greeter.log
13:34
same, really
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<denisesball>
hes on a newer version of ubuntu, thats about it
13:35
i'm on 9.04, hes on 9.10
13:35
<Gadi>
I wonder what makes him greeter and you slave
13:35
<denisesball>
he has a slave file too
13:36
::ffff:10.30.40.130:1-slave.log
13:36
we both have both
13:36
<Gadi>
ah
13:36
<denisesball>
his version of xnest is newer too
13:36
but this just worked last week, im confused
13:37
<Gadi>
can you run tsclient from command line and see if it spews errors?
13:37
<denisesball>
Xlib: extension "RANDR" missing on display ":0.0".
13:37
thats it
13:37
i'm gonna try a reboot, maybe /tmp is wacky
13:38
<Gadi>
and it still only gets you a black screen?
13:38
<denisesball>
yep
13:38
<Gadi>
okey dokey
13:38
<denisesball>
brb
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<denisesball>
still just black after reboot, strange strange strange
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<denisesball>
Gadi: you still around? quick question on the chroot
14:29
<Gadi>
shoot
14:29
<denisesball>
is it still necessary to update the chroot separately? i notice if i install something it immediately affects the chroot
14:29
<Gadi>
only if you install into the chroot
14:30
ie, if you: chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install foo
14:30
then, you need to ltsp-update-image
14:30
<cliebow>
Gadi:got time for a quick ldap ?
14:30
<denisesball>
ok, so if i install things system-wide. it immediately affects the chroot and is updated with the system?
14:31
<Gadi>
denisesball: normally, your users run apps on the server, so when you install on the server, they are there
14:31
if your users are running "local apps", then they are running apps that you install in the chroot itself
14:31
in which case you need to update the chroot
14:31
cliebow: for u, always
14:31
:)
14:32
<denisesball>
ah ok, so installing things directly in the chroot will cause them to run on their local machines as opposed to the server?
14:32
<Gadi>
if you enable LOCAL_APPS_MENU
14:32
<cliebow>
should there be a listing of groups a person belongs to in their account?
14:33
<Gadi>
or run: ltsp-localapps <command>
14:33
<denisesball>
i'll have to read more about that i suppose
14:34
but as far as out of the box, everything runs on the server correct? is there any reason to update the chroot?
14:34
<Gadi>
correct
14:34
no reason to update chroot
14:35
<johnny>
/me is aquiring new thin client machines!
14:35
3 msi winds
14:35
<denisesball>
Gadi: ok cool
14:37
<cliebow>
Gadi:just wondering whether my database is incomplete..should ther be a uniqueMember attibute with in a persons account to define which groups they belong to?
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<Gadi>
cliebow: If your groups are in ldap, then they should have a list of their members
14:38
I believe
14:38
<_UsUrPeR_>
gadi: what file is responsible for automatically changing X_VIRTUAL when there are two monitors plugged into a thin client?
14:38
<cliebow>
i thought as much..this fireqwall appliance is not picking up groups so wondered whter i screwed something uplike eight years ago]
14:38
<Gadi>
at most the user may need a primary group
14:39
<cliebow>
very good..couldnt find anything to compare to..and im getting awful rusty
14:39
<Gadi>
_UsUrPeR_: its in scren-session.d
14:39
<_UsUrPeR_>
Gadi: thx much
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<cliebow>
Thanks Gadi!! you rock as always!
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<knipwim>
guys, in ltsp-init-common, can i append (>>) the *.* @${SYSLOG_HOST:-$SERVER} to the syslog_conf file?
14:47
instead of >
14:48
gentoo's rsyslog cannot deal with 2 config files
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<johnny>
knipwim, if other's can.. ours should too
14:49
perhaps missing a patch? or what?
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<johnny>
knipwim, make sure you compare our initd to debian's to see if things have changed in that aspect?
14:50
<knipwim>
our initd still works with syslog-ng
14:51
with some changes here and there i can get all of them to work
14:51
with rsyslog requiring the most
14:52
but, rsyslog is still v3 on gentoo while v4 is out
14:53
ah v5 even
14:54
i'm opting for the sysklogd option, until rsyslog matures on gentoo
14:54
making the setup more dependent on ltsp-init-common functions
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<johnny>
knipwim, we need remote logging
15:00
to match feature for feature
15:03
<knipwim>
yes, i was referring to the
15:03
18:50 < johnny> knipwim, the goal is to use almost none gentoo functions
15:04
i was planning to use the configure_syslog function from ltsp-init-common
15:05
like in the commit proposal
15:08
implementing rsyslog instead of sysklogd requires some changes in the ltsp-init-common file
15:08
some more than the commit
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<knipwim>
like these 2 options: http://pastebin.com/mnuzZqTr
15:18
err, http://pastebin.com/M4YcE8ET
15:20
i've tested all provided options, they work
15:20
and currently no remote syslogging works on gentoo
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<markginter24>
I have a small LTSP setup and recently ran into problems with printing. When my students print from openoffice the printout is supertiny, when they print form Firefox - it's fine. Any thoughts?
16:12
anyone seen something similar to this?
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<markginter24>
anyone?
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<markginter24>
any thoughts on a printing problem in LTSP?
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<Gadi>
markginter24: this is not really an ltsp problem. some googling of "openoffice print tiny" offers several suggestions
16:28
are these excel spreadsheets they are printing?
16:29
<markginter24>
nope. regular writer documents and potato guy stuff
16:29
potato guy being a different program, of course...
16:31
when it prints - it prints the whole document - but in a one inch square in the upper left hand corner of the page -- doesn't sound like the google results...
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<Gadi>
"When I open spreadsheets sent to me that were created in Excel, if I go to do a print preview the text is VERY tiny and is up in the upper left corner of the page. It fits in a block about 1" x 1". Prints that small too. Reinstalled with same results."
16:32
first link
16:33
er, second
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<markginter24>
oh
16:33
hmm
16:34
<Gadi>
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=781454
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<Gadi>
markginter24: make sure /etc/papersize is set correctly
16:35
<markginter24>
Gadi - the curious thing is that it only does this from the workstations. When I print from the server it's fine. That's why I didn't figure it was an openoffice issue...
16:35
<Gadi>
are you using letter size?
16:36
<markginter24>
well - I'm not sure. It's a clean edubuntu installation - so unless they change the /etc/papersize option then it should be letter. The machine is at school - I, on the other hand, am at home :)
16:36
would there be an option held in the users /home/.config folder that could influence this?
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<kusznir>
All of the sudden today my thin clients, when they reboot, they just dump on a console, no X. No images, or anything, were changed...what causes this? (DNS appears to be working fine, no dns changes, etc.)
17:36
<johnny>
there must have been a change..
17:37
whether it's your dhcp server.. or what
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<kusznir>
Well, no changes were made...something must have changed on its own...I'm the only one with admin login, and this all broke while I wasn't even here :(
17:37
The problem I'm running into is figuring out what is broke so I know what to fix....
17:38
<johnny>
external dhcp server?
17:38
<kusznir>
I can do dns lookups (forward and reverse) on my ltsp server. The dhcp server is working, as the thin clients are booting.
17:38
Yes, pfsense dhcp server. two settings: next-server and filename.
17:38
And they're working as the thin clients are pxebooting successfully (I even get the graphical ubuntu boot splash). It just appears that ldm is not starting.
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<johnny>
read the log t hen?
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/var/log/ldm.log
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<kusznir>
On the thin client? I can't seem to log in.
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<johnny>
you need to either enable SCREEN_02=shell
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or set a root password and rebuild the image
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<kusznir>
ok.
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<johnny>
SCREEN_02=shell is probably the easiest
17:42
in lts.conf
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<kusznir>
I think I've tried that in the past, and I just get a text login prompt on screen 2 when I do that.
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<johnny>
well.. do the other thing..
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<kusznir>
Hmm...there is no /var/log/ldm.log (or anything ldm). I tried just typing "ldm" at the root prompt, and got an assersion error string equal to null.
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<johnny>
ldm vt7 :0
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or ldm :0 vt7
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if neither of those work.. then i don't know
17:53
bug in ldm.. not sure
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<kusznir>
Just went back out there, and ldm was running.
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don't know....
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<kusznir>
Ok, I restaretd, and ldm failed again. I startted ldm with the command you gave, and it quit again. ldm log had an error about user resolution.
18:03
I didn't think the thin clients had any concept of user resolution...(my thin client server is using winbind)
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<abeehc>
kusznir: in some cases i've had to dump the ad cache
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using likewise though; but symptoms for auto-login clients were similar to what you are describing
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<kusznir>
well, I do have two thin client servers here, and one of them (ubuntu 9.10) is currently unusable due to winbind problems (t seems to crash about once a week, and so far I haven't gotten any assistance from the devs). This is my ubuntu 9.04 server, which my thin clients boot from. logins to this system are working fine, wbinfo -u, getent passwd both work fine on the system.
18:12
I restarted winbindd for good measure, and I'll see what that does.
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<kusznir>
Ok, its working again. I guess its time to ask yet again of the #samba fokes...this is getting really, REALLY old.....
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<Bytes>
hello
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i need help please
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