IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 24 December 2012   (all times are UTC)

00:15
<markit>
to have gnome fallback, do I have to create fat client with...ubuntu-desktop OR edubuntu-desktop?
00:16
hi Phantomas, do you have an idea about how Alkisg sets this stuff?
00:24
<highvoltage>
markit: either one will work. you have to set gnome fallback in lts.conf and have the gnome-session-fallback package installed in the chroot
00:24
(I think the edubuntu-desktop metapackage does actually install it by default)
00:25
<markit>
so I will have "unity" on the server and gnome-fallback in the (fat) clients?
00:25
(I use kde but have to help a friend of mine and test the installation here in my home to help him remotely... lol)
00:26
<highvoltage>
yep, the fat clients are unaffected with what you run on the server
00:31
<markit>
highvoltage: ehm, I mean, that is confusing for teachers that find in the server a different UI
00:54
sleep time, see you :)
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07:57
<markit>
hi, I've a kde chroot that works fine, then I renamed it, removed images/ and rechreated a chroot of type edubuntu. Now clients stop before ldm login with something like "BusyBox v1.1.3" ... "(inirtamfs)".
07:57
With some console I see there is a problem in mounting or accessing (I/O) something like /dev/db0
07:57
any clue about how to troubleshoot?
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09:22
<markit>
hi alkisg, I've a problem with a new edubuntu chroot
09:23
I've a kde chroot that works fine, then I renamed it, removed images/ and rechreated a chroot of type edubuntu. Now clients stop before ldm login with something like "BusyBox v1.1.3" ... "(inirtamfs)".
09:23
With some console I see there is a problem in mounting or accessing (I/O) something like /dev/db0
09:23
any clue about how to solve?
09:23
netstat -nap|grep 10809
09:23
tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:10809 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 1456/nbd-server
09:24
btw, I use your repositories, the chroot creation went smooth
09:24
I don't try to mount nfs /home, just plain default sshfs
09:30
<alkisg>
markit: did you install the stock ltsp before updating it with the greek school repositories?
09:31
markit: egrep -rv '^#|^$' /etc/nbd*
09:33
<markit>
disabling spash, I see a "setting up nbd-client... failure: insufficient information to set up nbd
09:33
and don't remember if this install started with only your repo, sigh
09:34
<alkisg>
bbl :)
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09:34
<markit>
http://pastebin.com/Qy4rMcjR
09:36
bbl too
09:38
<Hyperbyte>
Bye bye.
09:53
<gvy>
Hyperbye:
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10:55
<markit>
if alkisg comes back, tell him that I'm solved thanks to his tip... was just a matter to add greek's repositories to chroot too and dist-upgrade
10:56
btw, isn't there a way to build chroot using host (server) repos?
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11:19
<Hyperbyte>
gvy:
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11:53
<zamba>
how does fax work over SIP?
11:53
or rather.. i'll be using a adapter
11:53
an adapter*
11:53
ATA, that is.. i have ISDN in and then SIP internally
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12:48
<markit>
zamba: this is ltsp channel, not asterisk ;P
12:48
neverless, regular fax DON'T work reliable with VoIP
12:48
sure don't work if you don't use looseless codecs
12:48
so your only choice is g711
12:49
<zamba>
hehe
12:49
wrong channel, yeah :)
12:49
<markit>
but since fax is a time based "protocol", is not reliable
12:49
<zamba>
i was one off
12:49
14, not 13 :)
12:49
<markit>
don't you have channels listed by name?
12:49* markit wonders what irc client is using zamba
12:50
<markit>
in any case, we know everything about anything, or anything about everything ;P
12:50
<zamba>
i have by name, but i was a bit off here :)
12:50
brainfart
12:50
<markit>
n.p., just curiosity
12:50
<zamba>
weechat, btw
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13:51
<markit>
I've found --copy-sourceslist
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14:13
<zamba>
markit: for what?
14:13
<markit>
zamba: is related to my previous question about ltsp, not yours about VoIP ;P
14:14
<zamba>
aha :)
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16:18
<Hyperbyte>
markit, it'd be great if you documented some of these findings on the LTSPedia. ;-)
16:19
<markit>
Hyperbyte: would love, but I'm confused among your wiki and ubuntu one... I mean, don't know if some discovers are ubuntu specific (not this, but in general) and wondering which one has "priority"
16:20
I would tend to give priority to your, but I think that the other is much more used and referred
16:20
there should be one and only one (your official one, OMHO)
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16:24
<Hyperbyte>
markit, I agree.
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20:52
<alkisg>
Hi vagrant :)
20:53* alkisg is thinking about reimplementing ldm in shell, and gtkgreeter in python... :D
20:53
<vagrantc>
heh
20:54
the greeter was originally in python
20:54
<alkisg>
Why was it rewritten in C?
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20:54
<vagrantc>
speed
20:55
and it worked
20:55
i mean, it made a huge difference
20:55
memory as well, i think.
20:55
<alkisg>
...wow... I wouldn't expect the difference to be more than 0.1 sec
20:55
And the greeter memory is freed on login... so...
20:56
<vagrantc>
could've just been a poorly written greeter
20:56
<alkisg>
While now we're having problems like e.g. unclean logoffs and we have no LDM C devs around... :-/
20:57
E.g. in localapps/fat clients, /home/username/.gvfs can only be mounted on the first login, not on subsequent ones
20:58
Btw, what about the "ldm in shell" part?
20:58
That would launch faster and need less memory
20:59
And hopefully be maintainable by more devs...
21:00
<vagrantc>
i had originally proposed that, having written sdm...
21:00
it was rejected on vague security grounds
21:00
although we eventually moved more and more of LDM into shell.
21:00
i.e. rc.d and all that
21:00
<alkisg>
Security? shell can also use stdin/stdout to communicate with the greeter...
21:02* vagrantc was never able to get confirmation on what the actual security problems were
21:03
<alkisg>
Hmm... I wonder if I can get on and commit something like that, and _then_ wait for any feedback... as I doubt I can get feedback on ltsp-developers@sf before commiting stuff
21:04
<vagrantc>
indeed :(
21:07
<alkisg>
stgraber: having rewritten the plugins etc... would you object to moving ldm to shell?
21:07
(while the greeter would remain in C... unless everyone agrees that it's a good thing to move that to python as well)
21:09
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, out of curiousity. What's the greeter?
21:09
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: the graphical part, that asks for the username/password
21:09
<Hyperbyte>
Then what's ldm?
21:10
<alkisg>
while ldm.c and plugin.c etc are the backend
21:10
<Hyperbyte>
Ah. So as user, all you see of LDM is the greeter?
21:10
<alkisg>
yup
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21:11
<Hyperbyte>
Thanks for clearing that up. :)
21:11
<alkisg>
:)
21:26
<vagrantc>
alkisg: how important is that recent fix with --cleanup?
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21:27
<vagrantc>
doh.
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