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Channel log from 23 June 2008   (all times are UTC)

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<Pascal_1>
Bonjour
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<happywithltsp>
hi everyone
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My current setup is <Internet> -- <router> -- <eth1 LTSP server eth0> -- <switch> -- <clients>
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My clients are all i386, so I did a ltsp-build-client --arch=i386
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I confirmed that my LTSP serve has connection to the Internet
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However, my LTSP clients do not connect to the LTSP server
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How do I check whether my LTSP server's DHCP is connected or now
04:29
or in other words, how do I check whether my DHCP is correctly setup?
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<masus>
hi all, have problem with my mouse scrolling. is it a problem of ltsp or do i have a look at xfce.Thanks.
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<comete>
hi
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<comete>
i use Edubuntu 8.04 as my ltsp server and it is up to date but i've still this bug which display several floppy icons on each thinclient desktop, any idea to remove them ?
08:08
ogra, hi :)
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<Nuba1>
comete: its a known bug... it seems to be fixed for some people and not for others... I'm one of the people who its not working for
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<comete>
Nubae, arggg bad luck
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<Nubae>
indeed
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<masus>
hi all, have problem with my mouse scrolling. is it a problem of ltsp or do i have a look at xfce.Thanks.
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<johnny>
Nubae, were you able to clear out your /tmp directory manually and then see if the problem was fixed?
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<Nubae>
no I didn't try that, I left the setup in someone else's hands as I'm working with olpc now
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but I shall suggest it to them
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<comete>
johnny, oh good idea i will try this, but i thought that /tmp was deleted at each reboot...
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<johnny>
hmm.. maybe i missed that
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i use ubuntu rarely
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i had it on my laptop, but no more
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but i do use ubuntu for my ltsp server
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don't know all the details of that side of things
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<ogra>
Nubae, few people ?
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there is actually only one person yet for whom its not fixed commenting on the bug
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<Nubae>
yeah I've seen others talk about it not working
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<ogra>
strange
08:51
techincally there is no reason why it shouldnt work apart from having the wrong packages updated or something
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<Nubae>
unfortunately I can't check up on the system I was admining, but I know they're still getting multiple floppies and cdroms, as well as usb sticks showing up on everyones desks
08:52
<ogra>
glib cant display contents users dont have access to and ltspfs makes sure created mountpoints are owned by the user and not accessible by anyone else
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<Nubae>
and I've got hardy-proposed in both client chroot and server updated
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<ogra>
th eonly thing i could imagine would be devices plugged in to the server which are handled completely different
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<Nubae>
no
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<ogra>
no need for the client side here
08:53
<Nubae>
its devices plugged into the thin clients
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<ogra>
its al server only, glib and ltspfs on the server need to be the ones from hardy-updates
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<Nubae>
ok, I'll try manually to reconfigure glib and ltspfs
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maybe that will help
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<ogra>
nah
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its in the binary
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there is nothing to configure
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<Nubae>
ok
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<ogra>
check the mountpoints in /media for the permissions
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<comete>
i get this problem only with floppies
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<ogra>
/media/$USER needs to be 750 and owned by the user
08:56
can you check that ?
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<ogra>
(750 translates to drwxr-x--- )
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<Nubae>
rthits owned by root.users
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instead of the actual username
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<ogra>
users ?
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thats surely wrong
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<Nubae>
yeah users is their group
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<ogra>
the group needs to be the user
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<Nubae>
hmmm
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but all the users in my system are in primary group users
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could that be it?
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i need it that way for filtering via iptables
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<ogra>
ouch, well, that could be
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<comete>
me too
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<ogra>
users should be an additiona group here
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<Nubae>
aha.. something in common comete
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:-)
09:00
ok... so that means writing a script that makes groups from user names
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<ogra>
and the primary group should be the users own group
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no
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<Nubae>
and putting them all in that as primary group?
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<ogra>
adduser adds a group for every user by default at user creation
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<Nubae>
yeah I know that, but the users are already created
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<ogra>
(users-damin, the gui uses adduer as backend)
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<Nubae>
and I deleted those
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<ogra>
*admin
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<Nubae>
I don't have the user names as groups anymore
09:01
I deleted those
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<ogra>
well
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<Nubae>
or better said, used a different way to create users
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<ogra>
what shall i say :)
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<Nubae>
didn't know that it had to be username.username for permissions
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doesn't say that anywhere
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<ogra>
well, its a system default
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<Nubae>
till now username.group worked fine
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<ogra>
i didnt expect someone to edit /etc/group
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<Nubae>
heh
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well, since I've been messing with ldap and fat clients
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I did exactly that
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ok, I'll write a little script... should be pretty quick
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<ogra>
create one test user first
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to prove its that
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<ogra>
(not, he will see all the other mounts still, but others shouldnt see his)
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*note
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<johnny>
i still need to figure out how to make my desktop users stuff not show up on the thin client..
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<Nubae>
all media points are still owned by root.users though
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not by user.users
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<ogra>
it must be root.$GROUP
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<Nubae>
ok, cool
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<ogra>
root is right here
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lbmount, the suid binary that acrually creates the dir is root
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so root owns it
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thats the reason why we need to use the group
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<Nubae>
logical... anyway, changed my sysadmin main group to sysadmin
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and now the media is owned by root.sysadmin
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but still shows up on everyone's desktop
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<ogra>
the one from the user sysadmin ?
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<Nubae>
do i have to restart the server?
09:09
yes
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<ogra>
user sysadmin needs to be logged in and plug in a device
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you shouldnt need to
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the device sysadmin plugs in shouldnt show up on others desktops
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sysadmin will still see the devices of the others until you fixed their groups as well though
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<Nubae>
ok thanks
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<ogra>
(the bug title is: should not list mounts that the user doesn't have permission to use .... if your users indeed have that permission, the devices will show up)
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so better not break the distro default :)
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<Nubae>
ill have to find a workaround for my iptable filter then
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right now it looks at primary group and decides whether to send to dansguardian or squid
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<ogra>
make it look for a specific named group then :)
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<likuidkewl>
Ok this is going to sound a little "out there" but we are running a small LTSP setup on the same server as our bind9, mysql, apache, etc. and have some odd errors that are popping up. The main issue is named crashing and completely locking up forcing a HARD reboot, but we have also seen ssh have similar behavior. In the troubleshooting process this usually happens about every 2-3 days. One thing to note is that we have users who don't like to l
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<ogra>
Nubae, "id -G $USER |grep $GROUPID" should get you what you want
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<stgraber>
likuidkewl: your message has been cut at "don't like to"
09:28
likuidkewl: I'd suspect a "logout" to go after that :)
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<likuidkewl>
who don't like to log out and are wondering if anyone else is seeing such behavior. We are akin to believe it is not a LTSP issue but more of a Ubuntu issue, another note is that this didn't happen on FC6 w/4.2 with the same setup. I did a hard reboot on Friday and ensured that all users were logged out Friday afternoon and the service didn't crash all weekend. Anyone have some
09:29
stgraber: thanks
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<ogra>
if ssh shows similar behavior its not an ltsp issue but deeper down
09:30
try asking in #ubuntu-server for these other issues :)
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<stgraber>
that sounds like either a memory problem (those unkilled process eating all your memory) or a kernel issue
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<likuidkewl>
Ogra - Thanks just thought I would throw this out here and see :)
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<ogra>
also did you monitor the servers resources ? ram/CPU/diskspace
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to make sure its not an error with the HW or HW setup
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<likuidkewl>
yes and at the time nothing looked too over the top
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but the named service was spiking and causing 5 of the CPU load to be read by using TOP
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<ogra>
sounds really like a bind issue then
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<likuidkewl>
but as stated it is only when we have users still logged in and idle.
09:33
It has been fine allweekend
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but I ask aroud the other channel
09:33
thanks
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<ogra>
well, users shouldnt have any affect on named
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<likuidkewl>
Right
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<ogra>
apart from probably running apps that hammer it
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but even then it shouldnt hard lock
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<likuidkewl>
This also happened before the switch to x64 Ubuntu
09:34* ogra has really seen havily loaded DNS machines in his life
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<likuidkewl>
as we thought it was the 32bit memory addressing issues
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<ogra>
well, thats easily changed by just installing the -server kernel flavour, it had the 64G support enabled
09:34
*has
09:35
but you would still see your RAM being maxed out in htop or so i guess
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<likuidkewl>
Right, but we went all out and tried a full reinstall
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on a spare box
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<ogra>
so if you say there was nothing suspicious
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<monteslu>
doh!
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hate sending something to a large list and then realizing it has a typo after the fact
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especially one that teachers read :)
09:57* ogra didnt notice the typo ... but then i'm no teacher :)
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<monteslu>
well, I rephrased my rant about Adobe
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but left it "Adobe's"
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<Nubae>
monteslu: I'd advice against 64 bit
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there's no advantage
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only headaches
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<monteslu>
Nubae, cool. Thanks.
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I really only need the extra ram
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hopefully the virtualization overhead doesn't slow things down
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<cottima>
Hello, does ltsp5 feature "http boot" from gPXE/etherboot ? (Note: It has been a year since I have touched LTSP or its docs. Sorry, just want to know.)
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<supreme__>
hi, im trying to use scanner from an user, but only root can do it, I've working in /etc/udev but nothing happen...
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<Bert_2>
Hi, I'm trying to set up LTSP 5.0.40 (from the ubuntu repository), I have ltsp-server, ltsp-standalone, ltspfs, ldm, thin-client-manager-*, ssh, nfs, dhcp3, tftpd-hpa and ndb-server, I'm in a network where all computers (server and clients) are connected to one router who also does DHCP stuff, why can't I boot using PXE ?
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<ogra>
cottima, it doesnt, but patches would be gratefully accepted to add it :)
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!ubuntu
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<ltspbot>
ogra: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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<ogra>
Bert_2, ^^^^ did you follow that guide ?
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<Bert_2>
ogra: no cause I thaught there wasn't a new guide yet, #ubuntu pointed me to deprecated edubuntu manuals so I thought there weren't any new docs so I just tried something, thank you for the guide ogra, I guess that I'll fix most of my probs
10:23
ogra: am I right and did I install lots of unneeded packages ?
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<ogra>
well, yes, looks like
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<ogra>
ltsp-server-standalone will give you everything you need ... if you have an external dhcp server you can set up for netboot, only use ltsp-server
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<Bert_2>
ogra: okey, /me install like 20 packages...
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<ogra>
next time come here or to #edubuntu first :) saves some cleanup time :)
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<Bert_2>
ogra: #edubuntu is dead for as far as I know, most people there don't know anything about LTSP
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<ogra>
well, i'm in there and i wote most of ltsp ... you probably tried at times where i wasnt around or busy, sorry if you didnt get answers there
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<monteslu>
naw, there's some sharp people there
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<ogra>
s/wote/wrote/
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<Bert_2>
ogra: well, no problem, I'm very happy you help people around
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<ogra>
monteslu, well, i'm more and more busy with non ltsp stuff myself
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<monteslu>
same here :(
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unfortuneatly i only volunteer at my kids school when I have time
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<ogra>
and it seems my time for ltsp ill still be cut down more in the future
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<monteslu>
that's too bad
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<ogra>
in favor of more classmate PC work
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<monteslu>
ltsp still needs to get reliable local apps
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<ogra>
well, ts bad for ltsp but good for the kids getting classmates with edubuntu/ubuntu edu edition ;)
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<monteslu>
heh
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that sounds like fun too
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<ogra>
yeah. localapps is on the list for things we will discuss in portland next month at the ltsp hackfest
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<monteslu>
there was a post less than a year ago about some major breakthrough, but I never heard anything again
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<ogra>
sbalneav will be there, he designed the localapp spec ... ubuntu intrepid will have the bits and pieces enabled already so we just eed the glue to get everything together i think
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<monteslu>
cool
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<ogra>
that was about the time when sbalneav got to busy with real life to do much ltsp work
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he is the brain behind the localapps stuff so we'Re waiting for im
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<monteslu>
all the good ones geting taken :)
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jammcq isn't here much either
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anymore
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<ogra>
well, from time to time
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<Bert_2>
sorry but, what is that localapps thing ?
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<warren>
is scottie going to the hackfest?
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<ogra>
but he doesnt do any ltsp stuff since two years anyway
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<supreme__>
talking about devices :P... how can i make that all users can use scanner? ive been working in /etc/udev permissions but nothing happen
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<ogra>
warren, he said he hasd (unlike me slacker) booked a ticket already
10:32
*has
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<monteslu>
Bert_2, an easier way to get the thin clients to do some of the work
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<warren>
ogra: heard anything about sshfs and stat?
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<Bert_2>
monteslu: so like levelling the processor load ?
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<monteslu>
Bert_2, nope
10:32
<ogra>
no, but i know scott has a solution
10:32
<monteslu>
just specific apps
10:33
<Bert_2>
monteslu: can you give an exemple ?
10:33
<ogra>
Bert_2, well, or things like skype where you run into probs shoveling all the audio over your net for multiple users
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<monteslu>
Bert_2, running firefox on the client instead of on the server, but running it in the same session
10:33
<ogra>
flash is also a good candidate
10:33
<monteslu>
so would most games
10:34
tuxtype, tuxmath, etch
10:34
etc
10:34
<Bert_2>
I see
10:34
very usefull indeed
10:34
<cottima>
Bert_2 I am on #edubuntu right now
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<Bert_2>
cottima: I'm building my client image thingy :p
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<Bert_2>
say, do my clients have to be connected straight to my server and get dhcp from it or can my router do that ?
10:36
<monteslu>
Bert_2, if you use your router it will need to give the same info that the ltsp server does
10:36
<cottima>
ogra, I will see what I can do. Programming is my weakness, but crossing wires seems to work for me. I will play with http boot and read up on the docs. By the way, it is great to see you.
10:37
<Bert_2>
monteslu: damn, and I just realized I'm on 64bit and that it's creating a 64bit image, but my clients are 32bit, problem ?
10:37
<ogra>
cottima, thanks :)
10:38
Bert_2, yes, you should have used --arch i386 as switch to ltsp-build-client
10:38
<monteslu>
Bert_2, not sure. but these other guys will know :)
10:38
see!
10:38
<ogra>
unless your clients have 64bit CPUs :)
10:38
<Bert_2>
damn, that should be in the manual
10:38* Bert_2 edits
10:38* ogra thought its in there at the bottom somewhere
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<cottima>
Bert_2 I have not touch ltsp for a year, and I was never good at it. Reading the docs over and over does help, and ogra is right [always].
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<ogra>
nah
10:40
not always
10:40
<Bert_2>
well, he kind of forgot to put that in I'm afraid :P
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<supreme__>
help pls
10:40
<ogra>
right, please do so
10:41
supreme__, there is a global variable or so you need to set, the docs for setting up scannes you find on ltsp.org should still apply
10:41* ogra has never ever used a scanner on ltsp but was told it still works the same by people that did
10:41
<supreme__>
im using ltsp4.2
10:42
ill find info there...
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<supreme__>
i think i already did things there say but just in case ill recheck it
10:43
<cottima>
Bert_2 (Note: I am bad, lazy, dumb linux [desktop] user.) If you have a 64-bit proc, then even virtualize an image of an os or do a chroot of a 32-bit. I have seen a doc for chrooting debian 32-bit inside of a debian 64-bit. And do not worry, I am afraid of the damage or (security) holes I made. Sometime, you have to backup, then play around, and see what works.
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<Bert_2>
cottima: I have been working very long with 32bit in 64bit, in ubuntu it's a lot stabler then in debian, you can virtualise without a problem and also 32-bit apps run perfectly with my 64bit libs
10:45
<ogra>
supreme__, getting help with 4.x versions will get harder and harder, 4.x isnt developed or touched since three years now
10:45
<supreme__>
ogra, my scanner actually works in clients, but only root can use it
10:45
<ogra>
not many of us have much clue about the old 4.x stuff
10:45
<supreme__>
unfortunately ltsp4.2 is the last version that support many ebox devices
10:45
<Bert_2>
supreme__: are your users in the group that can use scanners ?
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<ogra>
supreme__, yeah, ebox is a very very bad thing ... add 20 bucks and you get real thin clients instead
10:47* ogra rcommends thincan if people urgently want a cheapo client ... ebox is really only usable for kiosk systems with modern kernels
10:48
<Q-FUNK>
:)
10:48
ogra: btw, what do we need to do to get the fix for -geode and -nsc backport to Hardy?
10:48
<supreme__>
Bert_2, i dont know, i suppose that scanner is /dev/parport... or /dev/usb/lp0 , if this is the case, then users are in that groups
10:49
(group lp
10:49
<Bert_2>
supreme__: I suppose so yeah
10:50
<ogra>
Q-FUNK, backports ? thats easy, just open a bug and subscribe ubuntu-backports to it
10:50
<supreme__>
how can i know which group belongs scanner ?
10:50
<Q-FUNK>
ogra: or in practice, to hardy-updates. it requires backporting the changes from intrepid or my ppa.
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<ogra>
Q-FUNK, well, the bug should have all info they need
10:50
<Q-FUNK>
ogra: until thta has entered hardy-updates, -geode and -nsc are both borken
10:50
<Bert_2>
ogra: I have updated the wiki
10:51
<Q-FUNK>
ogra: the bug does, but SRU team hasn't responded
10:51
<ogra>
i'm no release manager ...
10:51
<Gadi>
supreme__: you're on rhel + ltsp 4.2, right?
10:51
<ogra>
so i cant tell much here, i have no power to decide anything here, only pitti and slangasek can
10:51
<Q-FUNK>
ogra: indeed not, but you can influence their decision :)
10:51
<ogra>
i can just say "works here" please add ...
10:52
<supreme__>
Gadi, yes
10:52
:o
10:52
<ogra>
but thats happened plenty of times on that bug already
10:52
<Q-FUNK>
ogra: that would aready help :)
10:52
<Gadi>
supreme__: I wouldnt worry about the scanner group, then
10:52
<ogra>
Q-FUNK, ok, i'll comment
10:52
<Gadi>
supreme__: what docs did you use to set up the scanner?
10:52
<supreme__>
Gadi, im working in udev dir, checking default permissions,, but no results
10:53
scanner worked out of the box, in fact root can scan perfectly with xsane
10:54
<Gadi>
did you do this: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Scanners
10:54
?
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10:54
<supreme__>
actually scanner is on the server
10:54
<Gadi>
ah, well thats a whole different story
10:54
:)
10:55
then, /dev perms make sense
10:55
<supreme__>
yes, i know
10:55
<Gadi>
do you have a /dev/scanner?
10:55
is it USB?
10:55
or scsi?
10:56
<supreme__>
nope
10:56
its an usb
10:56
and i havent /dev/scanner
10:56
<Gadi>
my guess is it uses libusb anyway
10:56
so it finds it in /proc/bus/usb...
10:57
<supreme__>
001 002 003 004 005 devices
10:57
<Gadi>
right right
10:57
dont bother looking necessarily
10:57
hmm...
10:57
ls -l /dev|grep usb
10:58
<ogra>
if thats an old rh it probably still uses usbfs
10:58
<supreme__>
i got: par0 -> usb/lp0 and usb
11:00
its an rhel4.5
11:00
<Gadi>
getent group scanner
11:00
see if you have a scanner group
11:00
<supreme__>
i got nothing, i havent scanner grupo
11:00
*group
11:00
<Gadi>
yeah, i figured that was a debian thing
11:01
ls /etc/udev/rules.d/*sane*
11:01
<supreme__>
i have an lp group, i have /dev/parport0..4 files which belongs to lp group
11:02
ls: /etc/udev/rules.d/*sane*: No exist file or directory....
11:02
and with ls /etc/udev/rules.d/|grep sane nothing
11:02
<ogra>
grep scanner /etc/udev/rules.d/*
11:02
:)
11:03
it wuld create something like /dev/scanner
11:03
<supreme__>
theres nothing
11:03
<ogra>
weird
11:03
<supreme__>
i read about create an device /dev/scanner and they say that this could be dangerous since some scsi dev uses that device
11:04* ogra gets ten different udev rules for different scanners on ubuntu
11:05
<supreme__>
i did sane-find-scanner as root and i got: "found USB scanner (vendor=0x03f0 [HP], product=0x4811 [PSC 1600 series]) at libusb:001:003"
11:06
that info is correct
11:06
<ogra>
right
11:06
and based on that info udev should create a device
11:07
/etc/udev/rules.d/55-hpmud.rules: SYSFS{idVendor}=="03f0", SYSFS{idProduct}=="??11", OWNER="lp", GROUP="scanner", MODE="0660"
11:07
thats the matching rule in ubuntu
11:07
<supreme__>
ill check it
11:09
idvendor is 03f0, so i checked it in 55-hpmud.rules and i got 4 lines with this: SYSFS{idVendor}=="03f0", SYSFS{idProduct}=="??11", OWNER="root", GROUP="lp", MOD E="0666"
11:10
other 3 lines changes idproduct to ??02 ??12 ??04 and ??17 (oops 5 lines i got)
11:11
<ogra>
right, thats just different models
11:11
<supreme__>
my idproduct is product=0x4811
11:11
<ogra>
which is matched by ??11
11:11
<supreme__>
yes
11:11
so check permissions :/
11:11
should be correct
11:12
<ogra>
you user seems to need to be in the lp group
11:12
<supreme__>
i checked that too, all users are in lp group
11:12
<ogra>
OWNER and GROUP are the only differences in that rule
11:14
<monteslu>
who are these people that think no one needs more than 3GB of ram?
11:14
i really gotta start avoiding digg and slashdot
11:14
<ogra>
??
11:14
why should you not use more if you want to ?
11:15
<monteslu>
exactly
11:15
<ogra>
my lappie us surely overequipped with its 3G though
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<monteslu>
mine has 4, but only uses 3 because of the crap OS on it
11:15
not enough since i do lots of virtualization
11:15
<ogra>
i never manage to get over 2.5G used even when compiling several kernels and ding other heavyweight work
11:15
*doing
11:16
<monteslu>
try doing some IBM websphere work :)
11:16
<ogra>
ah, well, 5-6 vm's can indeed make use of it
11:16
<monteslu>
a gig just to launch that nightmare
11:16
<ogra>
bah
11:16
well, but in ubuntu its just a matter of installing the -server kernel and you can use up to 64GB
11:17
<monteslu>
maybe i should do that on my new server
11:17
<ogra>
yeah
11:17
<monteslu>
still probably run in 32 bit mode
11:17
<ogra>
linux-server or linux-image-server is waht you want there
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<supreme__>
ogra, i already chech that users belong to lp group
11:18
<ogra>
supreme__, well, i cant help you much here i havent touched any RH based system since last century
11:19
i can only give you comparison data from ubuntu
11:19
but tere are surely differences in handling the case
11:19
<supreme__>
ok ogra, thanks anyway, ive learned a lot with your gide
11:19
*guide
11:19
<ogra>
probably warren likes to chime in
11:19
<supreme__>
ok, thanks
11:21
warren, some idea about this issue
11:21
?
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<supreme__>
humm
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<warren>
on what?
11:46
<supreme__>
i cannot scan from another users than root
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<warren>
isn't that only a permission problem?
11:50
anyway I don't know udev, you need to ask for help in the usual players
11:50
<ogra>
he said his users are in the lp group
11:50
and the udev rules seem to use that group for sharing permissions of the device
11:51
(but given that thi is ltsp 4.x on redhat i wsnt able to give much more help here)
11:51
<supreme__>
i think its a permission problem too but everything seems ok
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<Lns>
ace_suares, ha! Didn't know that.
12:26
<ogra>
vagrantc, meh, you dropped all the changelog entries from ldm ?
12:26
that will take me a day to merge manually
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<vagrantc>
ogra: i dropped no changelog entries.
12:49
ogra: you never gave me anything to merge.
12:49
<ogra>
well, you had ldm before you added the epoch
12:49
all the former changelog entries are missing
12:49
<vagrantc>
oh, right.
12:49
<ogra>
i cant do that
12:50
so i need to merge
12:50
which ets me into trouble for the time where i kept the old versioning and you added the new one
12:50
<vagrantc>
why not? it's a different source package.
12:50
different source package, different history.
12:51
<ogra>
hmm
12:51
well
12:51
same code though
12:51
just advanced/evolved
12:52
sad, there is lot more to do than just spltting out the themes ... my deps are quite different
12:52
<vagrantc>
well, in the initial changelog entry, it says "see ltsp changelog for previous history"
12:52
i think that's reasonable.
12:52
<ogra>
hmm, right
12:53
but still problematic for me
12:53
i need to merge at least for the time where i already had split out the separate source package in ubuntu
12:53
which is likely gutsy and hardy
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<ogra>
vagrantc, heh, that ldm manpage is funny ... the copyright note is bigger than the texz
13:10
*text
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<rjune_>
!g
13:31
<ltspbot>
rjune_: "g" is Gadi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<Lns>
heh, ltspbot must have been watching Sesame Street.
13:45
<rjune_>
!j
13:45
<ltspbot>
rjune_: Error: "j" is not a valid command.
13:45
<rjune_>
doh!
13:45
!o
13:45
<ltspbot>
rjune_: Error: "o" is not a valid command.
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<warren>
vagrantc: btw, how do you use X -configure with read-only root?
14:07
(EE) Unable to locate/open config file "//xorg.conf.new"
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<Gadi>
hey, rjune!
14:22
warren: HOME=/tmp X -configure
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;)
14:22
<warren>
ah
14:22
thanks
14:22
<Gadi>
at least, that's the cheating way
14:23
Im sure there's a flag
14:23
:)
14:23
<warren>
no flag that I can see
14:27
<rjune_>
how goes it gadi
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<vagrantc>
Gadi: i'd be happy to find another way, but setting HOME works
14:39
<Gadi>
1 sec - ph call
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<monteslu>
woohoo! got a donor to put up cash for another server
15:08
I'm doing 2X dual quad core AMDs with 16GB ram each
15:09
should be enough for my 75 clients :)
15:09
oh, and I'm replacing the 10/100 switches with 10/100/1000s
15:09
gonna have the kids gaming in their free time this year
15:10
4 times the cpu, 4 times the ram, and 10 times the bandwith as last year
15:10
sure is nice to put money into hardware instead of licensing
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<Patina>
monteslu: What kind of games is that?
15:36
I would expect som problems with 3d on thin clients.
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<monteslu>
Patina, every game I cand find that isn't 3d
15:50
mostly networking games
15:50
wesnoth, pioneers(settlers of catan)
15:50
civ
15:50
all the educational stuff like tuxpaint, tuxmath, tuxtyping
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<Patina>
Aah, no 3d, just as I thought. ;-)
15:51
<monteslu>
of course not, I don't have nvidia chips in the thin clients :)
15:52
<Patina>
I heard a radioshow once with somebody (I think) claiming they could run 3d apps with the 3d decoding done on the server.
15:52
<monteslu>
though I bet I can get reasonable performance with mesa3d for a few thin clients on these new rigs
15:52
<Patina>
Not ltsp, but same principle.
15:53
<monteslu>
Patina, well a few people are using 3d drivers on clients with 3d hardware
15:53
not sure how that all works
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<ace_suares>
lns: funny reactiomng trough irc when readign email :)
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<Q-FUNK>
?
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<Q-FUNK>
would anybody remember how to pass cmdline options to the kernel when it boots from nbi.img ?
20:33
PXE hosts are easy to do, since there's a config file
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<Q-FUNK>
but here, I need to do this for hosts that boot via the traditional etherboot
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<ace_suares>
no clue, Q-FUNK :-(
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<Q-FUNK>
ok /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ltsp/update-kernels.conf seems to be what I'm looking for to edit the cmdline, using BOOTPROMPT_OPTS, but it seems to be ignored by mkelfimage
21:59
ogra: am I missing something?
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<Q-FUNK>
can anybody remember what was the possible replacement for mkelfimage that the red hat guys had spotted?
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<Q-FUNK>
warren: seems that wraplinux has a broken autoconf.
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