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Channel log from 3 July 2008   (all times are UTC)

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<dukai>
hello
02:13
I would like to ask a question about ltsp-5
02:14
<LastLemming>
me too :)
02:14
<dukai>
:)
02:15
just found this channel on the website
02:15
Is it possible to have a server shutdown button with ldm, as it used to work with kdm/gdm in ltsp-4?
02:15
<LastLemming>
hey dukai, which distro you instead ltsp,
02:15
<dukai>
ubuntu
02:15
<LastLemming>
2 nic cards,
02:16
or 1 nic card only,
02:16
<dukai>
1 nic
02:18
<LastLemming>
does it work,
02:22
<dukai>
yes it works
02:22
for many years now
02:22
<LastLemming>
with ubuntu alternative and ltsp installation,
02:22
or apt-get install,
02:23
<dukai>
with apt-get
02:23
what is your problem?
02:24
<LastLemming>
with 2 nic cards it's ok
02:24
except sometimes on some client
02:24
theses clients boot on busybox
02:24
i don't know why
02:25
some clients are ok, got gnome
02:25
and some only busybox
02:25
i don't know how to fix that
02:25
<Ryan52>
LastLemming: are you sure it's busybox or is it the normal console login?
02:25
<LastLemming>
no busybox
02:25
<Ryan52>
LastLemming: as in, does it say busybox?
02:26
<LastLemming>
let me check again
02:26
<Ryan52>
LastLemming: usually if the kernel can't boot for some reason it will give you a busybox shell. And it will give you errors before it gives you the shell explaining what went wrong.
02:27
LastLemming: If you have those errors, that information would defidently help in debugging.
02:27
LastLemming: but if it's a console login asking for a username (or whatever it says), then that means it's a problem with X.
02:27
<LastLemming>
ok alot "new clients" or "fat client" i got ldm login
02:28
<Ryan52>
(or ldm, though probably x)
02:28
<LastLemming>
with thin client hp
02:28
i got initramfs
02:28
after ubuntu splash screen
02:28
no ask login
02:28
initramfs prompt
02:29
how i can see what wrong with client
02:29
<Ryan52>
LastLemming: okay, that's a kernel problem then. Are there any errors above the prompt?
02:29
<LastLemming>
no errorwith prompt
02:30
but waiting slapsh is longer
02:30
<Ryan52>
LastLemming: edit wherever your boot options are. (maybe /var/lib/tftp/seomthing/something/pxelinux.cfg (or something like that)) and take away 'splash' (if its there) and 'quiet'.
02:30
<LastLemming>
success clients are faster during spals screen
02:30
<Ryan52>
LastLemming: ya, so turning off the splash and quiet will get us more information.
02:31
<LastLemming>
ok
02:31
<Ryan52>
Looks like it might be in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
02:32
<LastLemming>
yep
02:32
<Ryan52>
so take 'splash' and 'quiet' out and reboot your client.
02:33
<LastLemming>
how need to restart some services,
02:33
no need to restart some services,
02:33
<Ryan52>
no, just reboot the client
02:35
<LastLemming>
ok
02:35
error it's with mounting rofs
02:35
but question before
02:35
i use 2 nic cards
02:36
1 with network lan 192.168.100.0/24
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and ltps lan 192.168.0.0/24
02:37
the client got 192.168.100.113, is it good one,
02:37
or client should have 192.168.0.0/24 ip
02:37
<Ryan52>
should've gotten 192.168.0.0. Are your networks connected together?
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<LastLemming>
there are 2 dhcp servers, the regular one and the ltsp one
02:38
<Ryan52>
Are the 2 networks physically connected together?
02:38
<LastLemming>
yes
02:39
<Ryan52>
why?
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<LastLemming>
because i'm testing, i uselly test in vm nat
02:39
now i try to test on the lan
02:40
but how some cleint always success to get ip from ltsp dhcp server, and some always can't,
02:40
<Ryan52>
LastLemming: the 2 dhcp servers are gonna conflict with each other
02:41
LastLemming: you can't have 2 dhcp servers on 1 physical network unless they're setup to be in that kind of setup.
02:42
LastLemming: and, I think that the LTSP client tries to get the NFS share from the DHCP server that gave it it's ip unless it's set some other way. (not sure though.) so then the ones getting an IP from your lan will not work right.
02:42* Ryan52 doesn't know LTSP good, though
02:42
<LastLemming>
right i don't have access to the main dhcp, any way i do till i have main dhcp server to disabled it
02:42
Ryan52: yep, it lok like taht
02:43
the path /root/rofs it's on nfs server,
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or ndb server
02:43
ubuntu 8.04 it's iwht ndb right,
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<Ryan52>
I dunno!
02:44
If you want both dhcp servers to be able to give the clients what they need to know, then you need to setup the lan dhcp server like you did for ltsp server. and you need to add 'next-server ip.address.of.ltsp_server;' to your dhcpd.conf
02:45
on my example etch system (that was setup by people who know ltsp better than I) there is a comment that says '# next-server is only needed if the dhcp and nfs servers are different machines'.
02:46
<LastLemming>
ok i try that
02:46
i wanted to install ltsp on lenny, i failed
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<LastLemming>
look like i fail to setup tftpd-hpa
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<Ryan52>
LastLemming: can't help you with that one.
02:50
<Nubae>
warren: a quick question which is not ltsp related as such... I want to make an rpm of google gears for Fedora 9... is there an easy way to do this from the .xpi?
02:50
<Ryan52>
LastLemming: but fyi, you should never have 2 'out of the box' dhcp servers on the same physical network, and that applies for everything (not just LTSP).
02:51
<dukai>
Ryan52 could you help with an LDM-related question?
02:51
<Ryan52>
dukai: I made a few patches for it 4 or 5 months ago, but that's it. (though I can look...)
02:52
dukai: what's your question?
02:52
<dukai>
not that though, I think:) Is it possible to shutdown the server with LDM as it used to work with ltsp-4/kdm/gdm?
02:53
A shutdown -h is not sufficient because it would kill all the processes of all users without waiting for them to log out
02:54
Or maybe I should go back and use KDM again?
02:55
<Ryan52>
dukai: I don't think ldm does that...
02:55
<dukai>
Is it easy to revert to KDM?
02:56
<Ryan52>
dukai: dunno.
02:56
dukai: no, I don't think you can use kdm.
02:56
<dukai>
ok, I'll try:) strange that nobody uses that feature
02:56
that it did not pop up anywhere
02:57
<ogra>
you would want every user to be able to
02:57
shutdown ?
02:57
<dukai>
yes
02:57
it's a small local network
02:57
<ogra>
that would gain us massive amounts of moaning in 99% of the usecases
02:57
<Nubae>
heh
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<Nubae>
ogra: I have a meeting tomorrow to sugarize classmate and hp mininote, as well as the asus eeepc... think netbook-remix might be ready?
02:58
<ogra>
you can try to use gdm-signal (see gdm-signal --help) that will set a shutdown in gdm's queue on the server and gdm will shut it down if the last user logged out
02:59
<dukai>
that sounds good
02:59
<ogra>
Nubae, i'm doing ny best, but i dont think i'll make it before tomorrow, what kind of disk does your cmpc have ?
02:59
<dukai>
does gdm know about the ldm logged in users?
03:00
<ogra>
(how big especially)
03:00
dukai, no
03:00
<Nubae>
Im not sure, havent seen it yet, will see it tomorrow around 1
03:00
<ogra>
ldm uses ssh, gdm uses XDMCP
03:01
<Nubae>
I wanna convince them to stack sugar ontop of netbook remix though... especially if you say atom processors only work well with netbook remix
03:01
<ogra>
Nubae, you can take my old image, nstall that to a usb key and then bootstrap an lpia system on dsk of te cmpc
03:01
after that its simply apt-gettig the rest of the desktp
03:01
erm
03:02
<dukai>
not sure about ssh because of the ldm_directx in lts.conf but it must be something different
03:02
<ogra>
you know what netbook remix is, right ?
03:02
<Nubae>
sort of... Ive never actually seen it
03:02
<ogra>
dukai, LDM_DIRECTX still uses ssh, it only not encrypts the X traffic
03:02
<Nubae>
its made for cheapo mobile devices, right?
03:03
<ogra>
its a standard desktop install with three new desktop apps and different ui
03:03
its all about the uui
03:04
*UI
03:04
<Nubae>
right thats what I understood
03:04
similar to the eeepc xandros ui, or different?
03:06
<ogra>
well, different as in ... its gnome
03:06
<Nubae>
but visually, big icons for apps on the desktop
03:06
<ogra>
so the cross intrgration between the apps you have in any ubuntu persists
03:06
<Nubae>
split in work rest play, etc ;-)
03:06
<ogra>
security updates apply the same as to a normal desktop etc
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<Nubae>
well, should be interesting to see how it fares on the eeepc and the hp mininote
03:07
<ogra>
it only rips of window decorations and puts them into maxiized mode ... gives you a home button on the panel and a window selector ...
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and adds the well known launcher
03:08
i'm using it on my normal laptop here atm, you can install it on every ubuntu if you like to, no special image needed
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<Nubae>
ok, so u think I should download an image to install on thee eeepc to start with (that doesnt need the atom image)
03:09
<ogra>
right
03:09
just do a normal install, then follow the netbook-remox instructions
03:09
*remix
03:09
<Nubae>
can u point me in the download direction?
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03:10
<ogra>
https://launchpad.net/netbook-remix
03:10
indeed :)
03:11
<Nubae>
any data you'd like back from me concerning install/usage?
03:11
<ogra>
file bugs about the apps :)
03:11
the guys are in last stage to fix final bugs
03:12
thats the PPA you need to add to your sources.list https://launchpad.net/~netbook-remix-team/+archive
03:12
Nubae, btw, we're heavily offtopic, lets move to #ubuntu-mobile (next time at least)
03:13
<Nubae>
heh, thought this was edubuntu... would have been more ontopic there I guess
03:13
<ogra>
heh, yeah
03:18
<dukai>
ogra could you direct me how to change ldm to gdm?
03:18
<ogra>
dukai, note that you lose all features then (sound local devcies etc)
03:19
<dukai>
localdev also?
03:19
than it's not a solution
03:19
<ogra>
but essentially creat an lts.conf and add SCREEN_07=startx (or xdmcp, depending on your version, we renamed that recently)
03:23
<LTSPTNK>
btw
03:24
it seems to me that there is a lot of features i will never need, for example bluetooth. Is there a way to disable it permanently?
03:24
what about trackerd, I can't see it would have any use in my envinroment?
03:30
because i made a little calculation and seems to me that by getting rid of bluetooth things and trackerd i could free up to 300mb of ram in our envinroment
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03:31
<ogra>
LTSPTNK, open add/remove or synaptic and just remove their packages :)
03:31
<Nubae>
LTSPTNK: how'd u calculate that, seems awfully high
03:31
<LTSPTNK>
i think that they have kind of big depencyes
03:33
<ogra>
dependencies dont free up ram :)
03:33
neither does package removal
03:33
<LTSPTNK>
:D
03:33
<ogra>
if you dont have bluetooth HW the tools wont do anything
03:33
<LTSPTNK>
I mean while a hive like 20 trackerd's running it takes 20 x 8mb ram
03:33
<ogra>
and nit really hog ram
03:34
<LTSPTNK>
and bluetooth takes 1mb, in 20 clients it makes 20mb useless ram usage
03:34
<ogra>
tracker indexing is disabled by default, the app takes less than 1M or so while idling
03:34
well, feel free to drop them, i know they dont take that much :) and especially bluetoot doesnt run on a per user base
03:35
<LTSPTNK>
hmmm doesnt seem to be disabled here
03:36
i have 3 clients hooked up and seems to be using 29mb's
03:36
<ogra>
how do you determine the ram ?
03:37
(hint: dont say top)
03:37
<LTSPTNK>
that isnt big problem but I just feel wierd having app's I don't need or which doesn't benefit at all
03:38
why not ;)
03:39
<ogra>
because top doesnt give you the accurate values *and* even these are often misinterpreted
03:39
if you want something better install htop
03:39
thats more user readable
03:39
<dukai>
ogra screen_07=startx replaces ldm completely
03:40
<ogra>
accurate values are possible to get out of ps
03:40
<dukai>
sure, htop is much more useful
03:40
<ogra>
and you dont want virtual or shared ram but the actual vaue the app uses :)
03:40
dukai, right, thats if you want to use gdm/kdm
03:40
<dukai>
:)
03:40
ok
03:41
it seems that I'll have to modify people, then
03:41
if modifying the system is not possible:)
03:41
<ogra>
giving the haircuts nd such ?
03:41
make sure they actually want that :)
03:41
<dukai>
:)
03:42
<ogra>
whats your exact problem ?
03:42
<dukai>
has anyone experince with hp t5730/5735?
03:42
the logout
03:42
I mean shutdown
03:42
<LTSPTNK>
btw htop is nice, shows a bit better than top :) this is something I have been searching for a while ty :)
03:43
<dukai>
there's also iotop for real I/O usage, requires 2.6.22+ kernel
03:45
<LTSPTNK>
btw, is there a way to define ethernet speed between client and server? I have 1 switch with Zonet 16 ports and it is 100MBs, then a testing toy D-Link which has 8 ports and is 1000MBs and the last but not least is HP's huge 16 ports 1000MBs
03:45
But I feel like the Zonet would be faster than D-Link :D
04:04
<Nubae>
peayzip
04:04
oops
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<ogra>
Nubae, thats not a good password ... you should have numbers and capital letters in it :)
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<Nubae>
lol... I was trying to write apt-cache search peazip but still not used to using damn german keyboard
04:33
why they have to be so different I´ll never know
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04:40* ogra switches back and forth daily between de and us kbd
04:41
<ogra>
you get used to it
04:41
<Nubae>
yeah I'm used to switching between gb, es and us
04:41
but since I'm in Austria now, add de to the mix
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<LastLemming>
back
05:06
I can't login into ldm, how I can see the log?
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<ogra>
whats the error on screen
05:07
<LastLemming>
this workstation isn't autorize to connect to server
05:07
<ogra>
your ssh keys are outdated
05:07
what distro is that ?
05:07
<LastLemming>
ubuntu
05:08
<ogra>
soemthing recent ?
05:08
<LastLemming>
just installed fewer minute
05:08
<ogra>
you need to run sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys and after that sudo ltsp-update-image
05:08
<LastLemming>
oh
05:08
didn't sudo ltsp-update-image
05:09
<ogra>
i assume you changed the servers IP after installing ltsp
05:09
then the ssh keys in the client env dont match anymore
05:09
<LastLemming>
yes
05:09
<ogra>
make sure to have all updates installed first
05:09
<LastLemming>
I did ltsp-update-sshkeys but didn't do ltsp-update-image
05:09
<ogra>
there was ssh breakage after hardy released ... that will regenerate your ssh keys forcefuly
05:10
so its better to have that in before runing the two commands
05:10
<LastLemming>
I already updated hardy
05:10
<ogra>
else you have to do it again
05:10
ok
05:10
<LastLemming>
ok
05:11
need to update in ltsp too?
05:12
I mean to inside chroot and apt-get update
05:12
<ogra>
iirc i didnt no changes to the client ... unless you use a gedoe chipset in any of your clients
05:12
*geode
05:12
<LastLemming>
it's new amd cpu?
05:13
<ogra>
the client ?
05:13
<LastLemming>
geode
05:13
<ogra>
its an embeedded amd cpu ... not actually new and if all your clients boot fine to the graphical login you dont need to cre
05:13
<LastLemming>
geode it's a name new amd cpu ?
05:14
how old geode exists?
05:14
<ogra>
several years
05:14
since 2000 or around that iirc
05:15
it ha an intregrated craphics chipset for which the driver was broken for quite some time ... that was recently fixed ... you would have noticed your clients not booting if you had one
05:15
beyond that there were no updates that would affect the clients
05:16
just make sure the server is up to date
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<LastLemming>
ok
05:17
I'mtesting with VM thin client, differents old or new fat client
05:17
and thin client
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HP
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<dukai>
no one with HP t5730/5735?
05:29
<ogra>
dukai, try https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss there are some people with HP clients on it
05:29
<dukai>
this is the new one with amd sempron and ati
05:29
need some information before purchase
05:29
ok
05:30
<ogra>
how much do you pay for them ?
05:32
<dukai>
it's around 350EUR
05:32
<ogra>
phew
05:33
<dukai>
do you know something about that with ldm a few function keys don't work?
05:33
is it expensive?
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<dukai>
we are looking for fast clients
05:34
<ogra>
what for ?
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<ogra>
they are only used for displaying stuff ... 4-500MHz and 128M are pretty fast for a thn client
05:34
<dukai>
still have some sis system-on-a-chip 200mhz clients and the users are quite unhappy with them
05:35
<ogra>
more ram is noce though, but above 256M its just wasted
05:35
200MHz can run good if you have enough ram and a proper CPU
05:35
the ram is really more essential than the CPU on linux in general
05:35
<dukai>
then maybe we are doing something wrong
05:36
<ogra>
what kind of CPU was that ?
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<ogra>
http://www.disklessworkstations.com/cgi-bin/web/200105.html?id=2N3gRurS
05:36
<dukai>
the old ltsp-4 and kernel 2.4 is much faster with them than ltsp-5
05:36
<ogra>
thats a pretty good client
05:37
yeah, thats normal, ltsp5 does far more autodetection of things that slows down booting a bit ... the performance once logged in should be similar though
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05:37
<dukai>
not at all
05:37
it works much slower : http://store.epatec.net/de/product_info.php?cPath=1&products_id=28
05:37
<ogra>
at least with LDM_DIRECTX set to true which you really should do on such CPUs
05:38
<dukai>
we have also 800Mhz VIA, they work well, but still could be a little bit faster
05:38
<ogra>
Vortex86 ????
05:38
<dukai>
it should be
05:38
<ogra>
"<ogra> 200MHz can run good if you have enough ram and a proper CPU"
05:38
*proper* :)
05:38
<dukai>
:D
05:38
for example a web page with flash (unfortunately) lags with the 800mhz via
05:39
not to speak about the 200mhz sis
05:39
<ogra>
http://www.artecgroup.com/thincan/models.html
05:39
the dbe61 is a very good client as well
05:39
should be between 150 and 200€
05:40
<dukai>
and it would be nice to have dvi
05:40
<ogra>
Q-FUNK knows the prices better though :)
05:40
<Q-FUNK>
hm?
05:40
<LTSPTNK>
is there any guide or suggestions what should be intalled on client side, I mean I have pretty fast clients (5 year old comp with 1.6-1.8GHz processor and 512 ram). So it seems to me pretty odd to run all the software on server
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<Q-FUNK>
ah, right. dbe61 is currently 100eur.
05:41
<ogra>
Q-FUNK, dukai plans to buy clients for €350 ...
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05:41
<ogra>
which is overkill
05:41
<Q-FUNK>
dukai: why would you do that?
05:41
indeed
05:41
<ogra>
well, there is HP branding involved ;)
05:41
<Q-FUNK>
ah.
05:41
<dukai>
no
05:41
<ogra>
that might cost you €50 :)
05:41
<dukai>
I don't need the branding
05:42
I need >=1GHz + DVI
05:42
<ogra>
no, but it surely makes up some part of the price :)
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<Q-FUNK>
for a thin client, >= !GHz ?
05:42
<ogra>
heh
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<ogra>
DVI might make sense, even though i dont kno ayone every using it in LTSP context
05:43
<Q-FUNK>
dukai: DVI I can somewhat understand, but why would you need such a fast CPU for a thin client?
05:43
aye
05:43
<ogra>
but you will very likely end up in horrible dirver hell to get it runing if you have an ati card in there
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<dukai>
so you're telling that you use 500mhz thin clients on normal say kde desktop and they are very fast
05:43* ogra bets ati requires the nonfree driver to get that working
05:43
<Q-FUNK>
yup
05:44
or actually, 433MHz
05:44
<dukai>
you can display a flash webpage without lagging?
05:44
<ogra>
dukai, screen performance is a matter of network speed, graphics card and ram
05:44
<dukai>
then the 800mhz via has low graphics?
05:44
<ogra>
the CPU is only marginally involved here
05:45
<dukai>
we have a 100mbps net
05:45
with low traffic
05:45
<ogra>
well
05:45
traffic is a matter of screensizexcolordepth :)
05:45
<dukai>
you mean that there is sense in upgrading to gigabit?
05:45
<ogra>
screensize x colordepth
05:45
depends on your screensize
05:46
<dukai>
nowadays a low-end tft has 1280x1024
05:46
<ogra>
DVI indicates that you want huge resolutions
05:46
<dukai>
but that could be higher
05:47
<ogra>
i think there were formulas on the ltsp.org wiki soemwhere to get the bandwith demands at a certain size and depth
05:47
<dukai>
I've never seen them
05:47
<ogra>
fi you want high performance with many clients you should in any case have a gigE connection from server to switch
05:48
100M from client to switch should be fine though
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<dukai>
I could try with one client turned on, if it's fast enough, then it's bandwidth
05:49
if not
05:49
<ogra>
right
05:49
<dukai>
then it could be graphics, as you're telling me
05:49
<ogra>
also check the BIOS settings and make sure to give them enough videoram
05:49
<Q-FUNK>
dukai: you might as well try a couple of DBE61 or DBE62 and see which one you like best. if fast graphic is important to you, the DBE62 has Gigabit and a slightly fast PCI bus.
05:50
<dukai>
do you know normal price dvi clients?
05:50* ogra doesnt use DVI anywhere
05:50
<Q-FUNK>
I haven't seen any DVI client yet
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05:51
<dukai>
there's the HP:) but I'm still unsure becouse of the binary video driver and the high price
05:51
<ogra>
and its likely that you need custom drivers and config for DVI
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05:52
<ogra>
the binary driver costs you at least 30M ram and you need to anuall yinstall it in the client enc
05:52
*env
05:52
*manually
05:52
<dukai>
yes, it's bad
05:52* ogra wouldnt go with these clients
05:52
<dukai>
another question: is it possible that ldm+ssh changed something with function keys usage?
05:53
I mean some of them don't seem to work
05:53
like printscreent, alt+stuff
05:53
<ogra>
thats nothing ldm or ssh do
05:53
<dukai>
ok
05:53
<ogra>
myou can set up keyboard stuff via lts.conf
05:53
if you want special keymaps or settings
05:54
<dukai>
it used to work
05:54
then it's the dapper->hardy upgrade
05:57
<ogra>
did you properly rebuild your client ?
05:58
<dukai>
do you know the price of dbe62? they don't have it on the site
05:58
<ogra>
Q-FUNK, ^^^
05:58
<dukai>
how is properly? :)
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<dukai>
the old ltsp-4 has the same problem
05:58
<ogra>
move /opt/ltsp/i386 away and run ltsp-build-client
05:59
<dukai>
yes
05:59
<ogra>
ok, then its all fine
05:59
<dukai>
and ltsp-build-client doesn't work if locale is not english:)
05:59
<ogra>
huh ?
05:59
<dukai>
it happened so
05:59
<ogra>
i use it on a german setup
05:59
please file a bug with detailed info :)
06:00
<dukai>
I mean ltsp-build-client --locale hu didn't work
06:00
<ogra>
we provide ltp installs from CD since hardy ... the first thing you have to do there is to select your locale now ...
06:00
--locale ?
06:00
<Q-FUNK>
dukai: dbe62 is currently 150eur
06:00
<ogra>
where did you get that from ?
06:01
<dukai>
ltsp-build-client --extra-help
06:01
<ogra>
eeek
06:01
<dukai>
is it so strange?
06:01
<ogra>
its a debian plugin
06:01
wont work in ubuntu, sorry, my fault to let it through
06:02
ubuntu has an automatsm that puls all locale data from the server automatically
06:02
<dukai>
how can I buy from artec? credit card + post
06:02
ok
06:03
I found it out soon, that without the option it worked
06:03
<ogra>
so it should work if you dont use --locale
06:03
right
06:03
in any language
06:03
even though i'm not sure asian locales work right, i never tried that :)
06:03
<dukai>
:)
06:04
what's the video chip in dbe62?
06:04
<ogra>
geode
06:04
<dukai>
ohh, it's a platform?
06:04
<ogra>
CPU and embedded graphics chipset
06:04
<dukai>
1920x1440 looks promising
06:05
<ogra>
and yu could invest the saved 200€ into network and server
06:05
<dukai>
yes, just still afraid of the 500mhz cpu
06:06
I hope you're right
06:06
<ogra>
like getting a good raid HW controller and a nice gigabit switch
06:06
and more server ram
06:06
<dukai>
ram is enough
06:06
<ogra>
nah, ram is never enough :)
06:06
its linux
06:06
<dukai>
:)
06:07
<ogra>
the more rm the faster your machine gets
06:07
*ram
06:07
linux is all about caching :) the more you can put i your cache the faster your apps wil respond
06:08
<dukai>
where is the dbe manufacturer located?
06:08
<ogra>
estonia
06:08
<dukai>
that could work
06:08
should I write to the webpage?
06:10
<ogra>
up to you i'D say :)
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<ogra>
lol. that epatec client has a FAN ?
06:12
foer a 200MHz CPU ?
06:12* ogra shakes his head
06:13
<dukai>
yes
06:13
that was the first thin client I encountered
06:14
it worked reasonably for some time
06:14
but now it's too slooow
06:15
and I need a separate install with the old ltsp-4 for them, because ltsp-5 is even slower
06:15
<ogra>
yes, 200MHz are somewhat on the edge
06:15
<dukai>
but then the keyboard changing kde applet doesn't work with ltsp-4 and ubuntu hardy
06:15
so they suck
06:15* ogra doesnt use kde ... so cant say much
06:15
<dukai>
it's X related
06:16
<ogra>
well, gnome doesnt care for X here for example
06:16
it uses libxklavier on a higher level to switch layouts
06:16
<dukai>
usually between X versions there is a keyboard layout incompatibility with the kde applet
06:16
<ogra>
you shouldnt see tht on ltsp5
06:16
since we dont use xdmcp
06:17
<dukai>
yes, but they are too slow for ltsp5
06:17
<ogra>
so the X server the kde applet sees is actually the local proxy spawned by ssh
06:17
did you try without encryption (LDM_DIRECTX=True)
06:17
<dukai>
that's why I want to try out some new client
06:17
<ogra>
and with ebaled nbd swapping
06:17
*enabled
06:17
<dukai>
of course it's without encryption:)
06:18
I don't have any nbd swap entry in lts.conf
06:18
is it useful?
06:20
it's written somewhere that nbd swap is the default
06:21
but I can include it
06:21
how to check if it is enabled?
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<dukai>
ogra: how to check if nbd swap is enabled?
06:23
<ogra>
you either use a client with less than 48M that will enable it automatically or you set NBD_SWAP=True in lts.conf
06:24
its not on by default if the client has enough ram to boot
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<ogra>
(which is 48M atm for the lower level)
06:24
<dukai>
then it is not enabled, since all the clients have >48mb ram
06:25
<ogra>
itrepid will be able to boot 24 i hope
06:25
*intrepid
06:25
<dukai>
for what reason should I enable nbd swap?
06:26
<ogra>
to have more ram ... some apps push the unused / rarely used parts into swap
06:26
and beyond that as a safety net
06:27
<dukai>
but the clients run only ssh and x server
06:27
<ogra>
if you really run out of ram the client locks up hard ... with nbd swap it doesnt ... its gets uusable slow if you swap, but it will return and at least let you save unfinished work
06:27
<dukai>
I see
06:27
<ogra>
they run a soundserver, the bits and pieces for local apps
06:27
and X caches the graphics in ram
06:28
err
06:28
local devices sorry
06:28
<dukai>
it could have happened that they locked up
06:28
rarely
06:28
<ogra>
right, nbd swapping is a safety net for that
06:28
<dukai>
ok
06:28
<ogra>
so your users have an ability to still close their openoffice doc
06:31
<Nubae>
hmm is root translated wurzel in German (as in system root) sounds off to me
06:31
<dukai>
:)
06:33
<ogra>
you could translate it more freely with "stamm"
06:33
<Nubae>
ah yes that sounds better
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<Q-FUNK>
stem.
06:46
interesting
06:52
<ogra>
well, i would traslate it back as "base" instead of "stem" :)
06:52
but thats indeed my free interpretation
06:53
<Q-FUNK>
ok, it seems that our online shop is operational, now
06:54
http://artecgroup.myshopify.com/
06:54
<ogra>
the css seems slightly broken
06:55
the text that should be below the images overlaps them
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<Q-FUNK>
I'm not surprised. our webmaster decided to use some ready-to-brand site engine
06:56
<ogra>
at least for the dbe60 in the top row in the middle and the dbe61a (bottom right)
06:56
<Nubae>
ogra: maybe u should have started with... looks nice, then jumpt to the errors ;-)
06:56
<ogra>
pfft
06:56
Q-FUNK knows me ...
06:56
<Nubae>
but I get the same thing...
06:57
css style sheets need work
06:57
<Q-FUNK>
hm?
06:58
Nubae: I'm happy that we finally have a proper web shop engine to somewhat automate the ordering process and thta it supports both credit cards and paypal, but let's just say that I would have used a completely different approach
06:58
<Nubae>
making sure text fits for longish names
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<Nubae>
oscommerce is a wonderful e-commerce package
07:00
<Q-FUNK>
could be
07:01
<Nubae>
weird, looks like its fixed now, everything displaying nicely
07:02
after clicking around a bit :-)
07:02
btw... I heard from the school I used to work at who ordered the 3 thincans, that they wont finish the order until September when school starts again...
07:02
<Q-FUNK>
doh!
07:03
<Nubae>
they told me they already wired the money, but turned out to be a lie I guess
07:03
<Q-FUNK>
they might as well cancel it and re-order later
07:03
<Nubae>
yeah
07:03
indeed
07:03
the whole point was to test it
07:03
and see which ones to order for the whole school
07:03
<Q-FUNK>
which they won't be doing, since they are running late
07:04
<Nubae>
as usual the developers suffer
07:04
and then get blamed :-)
07:07
<Q-FUNK>
right, except that you moved on already ;)
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<dukai>
dbe62 is not in the shop
07:09
<Q-FUNK>
indeed not, since we only have preproduction models in stock and not many of those are left, yet
07:09
<Nubae>
sort of... they still depend on me for the end of the world stuff... the no one else can fix stuff... and do I get paid, no, but I´ll be dammed if I give them a reason to move back to winbloze
07:09
<Q-FUNK>
heh
07:09
<LastLemming>
is it possible to modify ldm text for another language?
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<cyberorg>
hi kl_eisbaer The_Code everyone here, welcome to LTSP-GUI Google Summer of Code project weekly meeting :)
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<kl_eisbaer>
hi
07:17
<The_Code>
hi
07:17
<cyberorg>
The_Code, i went through your list of tasks, here are my comments in [] http://pastebin.com/f71f5751d
07:18
you have covered all the bases, can't think of more tasks than those
07:18
anyone here if you have any suggestions for tasks that LTSP GUI can perform (related to lts.conf) please edit the pastebin and link here
07:18
kl_eisbaer, anything to add to that?
07:19
<kl_eisbaer>
cyberorg: currently not. I think that should cover the most use cases
07:19
<The_Code>
gone threw fine with comments
07:21
<cyberorg>
great, we are almost near the half time, so prioritizing would be important, The_Code how are you planning to approaching the GUI designing with these tasks from now onwards
07:21
would we have enough time to realize all these features?
07:23
<The_Code>
mom
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<cyberorg>
ogra, if you are around please go through the task list, the GUI would be built around those
07:25
<The_Code>
cyberorg: http://www.weisserwolf.net/ltspgui/lts.jpg
07:25
thats the way it looks right now
07:25
the advanced tab is only visible after clicked on advanced button
07:26
the advanced view shows a list of all variables set in the conf and allows you to add single ones and edit
07:26
<cyberorg>
The_Code, anywhere the list of TC assigned to the profile?
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<kl_eisbaer>
The_Code: looks ok for me. Just one question: do you add the other sections to the "main view" (in your example the "Section" Tab for DELL)?
07:27* cyberorg would really like confirmation if profile stuff still work in LTSP5
07:28
<cyberorg>
we also need a better title for "tasks"
07:28
<The_Code>
kl_eisbaer: i don't get you, but if you click on add you get a new view where you can define name comment etc for the new "section"
07:29
a list for tc with the same configuration will come
07:29
<kl_eisbaer>
ok
07:30
<The_Code>
the main problem with the tasks for me atm is finding the allowed values
07:30
<cyberorg>
The_Code, we will just go with the minimum "known" values
07:30
<The_Code>
do i provide a file containing this info or do i parse it from some system file/directory (like in ogra's)
07:31
so i provide a list with known values
07:32
<cyberorg>
yes, we want to make it easy, showing everything will just be confusion
07:32
<The_Code>
good
07:33
i thought of making xml files with known values where possible, containing there value and a more readable name
07:33
<cyberorg>
we can display lts-parameters.txt installed by ltsp-server packge in the online help
07:33
<The_Code>
where it makes sense (keyboard for example)
07:34
<cyberorg>
that sounds best to me
07:35
The_Code, what is the next step?
07:35
<The_Code>
i am currently working on the first tasks
07:36
new binaries with lts.conf part will be there by this weekend, so people can have a look
07:36
(will make to versions, one openSUSE and rest)
07:37
<cyberorg>
kl_eisbaer, you also have packages in the pipe?
07:38
<The_Code>
the next step then would be to parse an existing lts.conf file
07:38
<cyberorg>
kl_eisbaer, added lrupp to the "maintainers" https://build.opensuse.org/project/show?project=server%3Altsp
07:39
The_Code, just go through the timeline and plan the next steps accordingly, small achievable targets
07:40
about rollbacks are you still planning to do it using xml storage or just plain files?
07:41
<The_Code>
xml storage
07:41
<cyberorg>
ok
07:42
that is it from me, kl_eisbaer anyone else want to add something, or would like to know anything else?
07:44
The_Code, please do a ML post (ltsp-discuss, kiwi-ltsp-users) detailing your ideas ahead, asking for feedback
07:45
<The_Code>
cyberorg, yes
07:46
<cyberorg>
you can also do a howto compile and use the code from SVN on the ML, so anyone who wants to see the current status can try it out
07:47
<The_Code>
k
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<cyberorg>
shall we call it a day ?
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<LTSPTNK>
anyone here with LTSP server in AD domain?
08:03
gotta go home but will ask same tomorrow again :)
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<LastLemming>
is it possible to chnage ldm language?
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<jammcq>
ogra: hey, did 8.04.1 make it out today?
09:29
<ogra>
i thik not officially yet, but the CDs are done ... release announcement isnt yet afaik
09:29
<jammcq>
are isos available?
09:29
<ogra>
sure
09:29
http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/hardy/daily/20080701/
09:29
not called 8.04.1 yet but thats the base ...
09:30
<jammcq>
cool
09:30
thank you sir
09:30
<ogra>
welcome :)
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<LastLemming>
ogra: is it normal that verification password take long time? like 3-5 min?
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<LastLemming>
I disabled the main dhcp, and the clients I got problem are ok
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<masus>
hi all, my mouse scroll wheel does not work, can anybody help me ? i use debian etch with xfce4. Thanks
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<kl_eisbaer>
masus: add 'Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"' and 'Option "Buttons" "5"' in your xorg.conf should help
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<masus>
kl_eisbaer: Thank u
11:35
kl_eisbaer: it'S not work may i have to change something lts.conf ?
11:35
*in lts.conf
11:36
<kl_eisbaer>
=> http://ltsp.mirrors.tds.net/pub/ltsp/docs/ltsp-4.1-en.html#AEN1190
11:36
X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 5
11:37
<masus>
kl_eisbaer: i'll try
11:37
thank u
11:38
<kl_eisbaer>
masus: if this didn't work, use the XF86CONFIG_FILE option to point to your sepcial xorg.conf for this host
11:40
masus: HA!
11:40
found it in my config
11:40
<masus>
kl_eisbaer: do i have to shutdown the client after the lts.conf changes ?
11:40
<kl_eisbaer>
my lts.conf contains:
11:40
<masus>
kl_eisbaer: ok
11:40
<kl_eisbaer>
X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 5 X_ZAxisMapping = "4 5" X_MOUSE_Vendor = "Sysp"
11:41
X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "imps/2" X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/psaux" X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400
11:41
Normally a restart of the X-Server on the client should be enough - but a full restart shouldn't harm
11:41
<masus>
do a full restart
11:42
<kl_eisbaer>
should be the safer way
11:43
<masus>
yuppppppiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
11:43
i dont belive , it's work :)
11:44
kl_eisbaer: Thank u very much
11:44
<kl_eisbaer>
np - have a lot of fun! :-)
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<masus>
:)
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<Guaraldo>
jammcq: Are You there? I need some help over here...
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<Guaraldo>
someone knows what can couse local printers on LTSP5 does't work?
12:16
I configured lts.conf an booted the client, locally I see the printer, but it does't open 9100 port on client...
12:17
<ogra>
Guaraldo, what distro/release ?
12:17
<Guaraldo>
I can print typing "echo test > /dev/usb/lp0".
12:17
Ubuntu 8.04...
12:17
ogra: normal package instalation...
12:17
<ogra>
you need to install th eltsp-client package from the hardy-updates repo
12:18
*the ltsp-client
12:18
<Nubae>
heh sounds Spanish... El TSP cliente packete
12:18
<ogra>
there was a bug thats fixed in hardy-updates ...
12:18
<Guaraldo>
hehehehe
12:18
<ogra>
hehe
12:19
<Guaraldo>
ogra: After that I need to rebuild ltsp-client chroot?
12:19
<Q-FUNK>
el much bugato
12:19
<ogra>
Guaraldo, the image
12:19
sudo ltsp-update-image should get you going
12:19
<Guaraldo>
Only the image?
12:19
great... thanks, ogra... I'll do it!
12:19
<ogra>
after you updated the package, yes
12:20
make also sure your server is up to date from hardy-updates, there were many fixes
12:20
(we're releasing an 8.04.1 CD today or tomorrow with all fixes)
12:25
<Nubae>
what's cached in German?
12:26
<laga>
Nubae: context?
12:26
<Nubae>
cached package data
12:26
cached files
12:27
<laga>
humm. zwischengespeichert(e)
12:27* ogra would say "zwischengespeichert" ...
12:27
<ogra>
literally that would be "interim stored" or so
12:27
<Nubae>
yeah thats what google gave me too, so its not been Englishified... like gecachete
12:27
:-)
12:28
<ogra>
you can say that but it looks very odd writeen
12:28
*written
12:28
<laga>
well, i'd say "Paketdaten im Cache" +
12:28
<ogra>
for a german at least
12:28
<Nubae>
im cache sounds good
12:28
thanks
12:29
<laga>
or "im Zwischenspeicher" ;) depends on the audience
12:30
or maybe even "gepuffert" (buffered), although i don't like that word
12:30
<Nubae>
ok... how about Pruned
12:30
as in a pruned installatin
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12:31
<Nubae>
eine beschnitene installation?
12:31
sounds odd
12:31
<laga>
sounds painful.
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12:32
<laga>
Nubae: well, what is a "pruned" installation, in your words?
12:32
<Nubae>
Germans have taken so many tech words form English almost all of it is mixed... can I say cleaned instead of prined
12:32
pruned
12:32
its not my program... helping to translate smart...
12:32
<laga>
gesäubert? aufgeräumt?
12:33
<Nubae>
hell pruned sounds weird even in English
12:33
<laga>
well, you prune trees - smart might refer to package trees
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<Nubae>
laga: how about Software repository?
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<ogra>
software archiv
12:48
<wwx_>
zahnrad is more logical than gear. so much about english
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<ogra>
its a wheel that has teeth ... so teethwheel is kond of logical :)
12:49
*kind
12:50
<Nubae>
it is indeed
12:50
<ogra>
or rather toothwheel which is less logical but the right literal translation
12:51
<wwx_>
btw, in estonian this has exactly same meaning as in german
12:51
<ogra>
really ?
12:51
<wwx_>
yep. hammasratas
12:51
<Guaraldo>
ogra: It worked...
12:51
<wwx_>
hammas=zahn and (und) ratas=rad
12:51
<ogra>
Guaraldo, great :) good to have feedback on the fixes :)
12:57
<Nubae>
last one... the content file...
12:58
and not as in happy... :-)
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<warren>
ogra: how do you folks figure out what exactly needs to be in XKB* options in lts.conf for a particular language?
13:07
ogra: (how the heck do you tell people in docs to figure it out themselves)
13:08
<ogra>
i can just pull it from the servers setup
13:08
<ltsppbot>
"ogra" pasted "ubuntu console-setup" (51 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/17
13:09
<ogra>
i dont have to care, the servers installer did that for me already
13:09
ubuntu just defaults to server setup for lang and keyboard, the admin can override
13:13
warren, beyond that you can only point people to /usr/share/X11/xkb
13:13
it has subdirs named like the options
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<warren>
you mean you write to lts.conf automatically?
13:13
<ogra>
i thik man setxkbmap talks about that
13:13
no
13:14
i just copy the server confg files into the chroot
13:14
ad let the ubuntu bootprocess do the rest
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<Blinny>
What's the best way to share /home across multiple office sites in an LTSP environment? I'm thinking of an LTSP server at each side, and mounting /home via NFS from the master server, but I'm worried about speed.
13:23
And, if I do NFS, should I mount /home, or just each individual user's /home directory as a separate share?
13:28
<Nuba1>
best way would be ssh tunnel
13:28
but nfs works quite well
13:28
<Blinny>
Nuba1: Well, I've already got things going through IPSec
13:29
Nuba1: (which will compress & encrypt the traffic)
13:29
How would the ssh tunnel work?
13:29
<ogra>
do an sshfs mount from an ldm rc.d script :)
13:30
<Blinny>
ogra: Similar to the process checking Gadi's been cranking on?
13:30
<ogra>
ah, wait, that might not work ...
13:30
ssh will not be happy if you dont have homedir on login
13:30
<Blinny>
ogra: Either way, it'd be encrypted twice. Once through sshfs and once through the tunnel.
13:31
<ogra>
and pam-mount or pam-script are both tricky with ssh
13:31
thats different
13:31
one encryption is per user so the other cant see what you do
13:32
the other is per network connection, everyone can see what everyone does inside the tunnel
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<Blinny>
But encrypted session (LDM_DIRECTX=false) plus proper file permissions should negate the first
13:33
<ogra>
but you somehow have to convince ssh to not be unhappy for the first connect
13:33
<Blinny>
Yeah.
13:33
<ogra>
no
13:33
its only the connection client->server you encrypt with ldm
13:33
what you want is server->fileserver
13:34
<Blinny>
ogra: That's what IPSec is for.
13:34
<ogra>
and server->fileserver is encrypted as the whole pipe
13:34
but not per wire that runs in the pipe
13:34
<Blinny>
OH!
13:34
Gotchya.
13:35
<ogra>
not sure how much security you need though
13:35
<Blinny>
I'm generally overly cautious re: security.
13:36
<ogra>
it often suffices to have the pipe encrypted ... but sshfs is indeed an elegant addon
13:36
<Blinny>
But why is sshfs innately "better" than NFS for this sort of application?
13:36
I would assume NFS, with its long history of doing similar things, would be better. I have heard file locking horror stories though..
13:36
<ogra>
yeah, its surely also easier to maintain
13:37
<Blinny>
For sure. Config & forget, hopefully.
13:37
<ogra>
and if you get run down by that bus thing your successor will be more likely to understand the setup
13:37
<Blinny>
Are there any other distributed filesystem options?
13:37
<ogra>
cifs
13:37
<Blinny>
ogra: You'd be surprised how many times that is mentioned around here.
13:37* Blinny shudders
13:38
<Blinny>
CIFS, like SMB??
13:38
<ogra>
yep
13:38
i heard its pretty fast
13:38
<Q-FUNK>
barebone smb is gone, mind you
13:38
<Blinny>
gawd
13:38
<ogra>
in linux<->linux scenarios
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<Blinny>
I've put up with it so long in windows<->linux environments that it makes me physically ill to consider continuing to do so.
13:39* ogra is a big fan of sshfs though thats why i try everything to imlement in it ... so dont listen to much to me :)
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<ogra>
*to implement everything
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<Blinny>
ogra: Do you know if it's a kernel mod + userspace tools, or do I need to compile a custom kernel?
13:40
Theoretically I could mount the entire /home instead of user-by-user
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<ogra>
cifs ? well, you need to set up samba on your fileserver ad mount /home as a share
13:41
same as in nfs
13:41
or you can do a finer grained setup
13:41
<Blinny>
No. sshfs
13:41
<ogra>
ssjfs is fuse based
13:41
*sshfs
13:42
but works with every ssh server
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<Blinny>
So having fuse in /proc/filesystems means sshfs will work?
13:42
<ogra>
yes
13:42
<Blinny>
Nice.
13:42
ogra: I'll play with it.
13:42
<ogra>
apt-get install sshfs :) just try it
13:42
<Blinny>
ogra: Sure sure. I'm sure I'll be instantly struck by why it's vastly superior to NFS.
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<Blinny>
(;
13:43
<Nubae>
Blinny: and then you can write up how u did it -grin-
13:43
<ogra>
because it works (and encrypts) per user, you dont need any server setup etc
13:44
and for me most important, it works reliably over the internet
13:44
(as long as you have the bandwith)
13:44
<Blinny>
That's key.
13:44
Only T1 on both sides.
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<Blinny>
Well, fraction. Some channels are voice.
13:45
Do you know offhand if you can over-mount with sshfs?
13:45
<ogra>
no
13:45
(i dont)
13:46
<Blinny>
Meaning, locally I have /home/fun that has contents. With NFS I can mount server:/mount/point to /home/fun and it replaces /home/fun
13:46
after unmounting, local contents are back
13:46
OK
13:46
I'll try it
13:46
<ogra>
but thats a matter of mount, no of the fs iirc
13:46
should always work that way unless you merge mounts with unionfs or aufs
13:46
<Blinny>
fuse: mountpoint is not empty - fuse: if you are sure this is safe, use the 'nonempty' mount option
13:48
But yes, with the nonempty it will work.
13:48
Permissions are funky though. Hmm.
13:48
That might work. I'll add it to the TODO list for after the weekend.
13:49
The trick will be whether it's any faster than NFS for things like Firefox caches and OOo .openoffice2 writes.
13:49
I'm really surprised this hasn't been done a lot before. I'm sure it has, just perhaps not in the LTSP realm.
13:50
<ogra>
i guess mounting /home is the common way
13:51
(via nfs)
13:53
<Nubae>
I tried to mount /home via ssh for fat clients, without success
13:54
<Blinny>
But even when it is completed, Szeredi points out that sshfs will not replace high-end systems like NFS or VPNs
13:54
<Nubae>
so if you can do it Blinny, would love to hear how its done
13:57
<ogra>
Nubae, oyu cn only mount /home/$USER that way
13:57
fuse is userspace operating with user permissions
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<Nubae>
ah :-(
14:00
ogra: whats the state of the edubuntu handbook? id like to help translating it to English
14:00
sorry Spanish doh
14:00
<ogra>
its written for gutsy and missing updates
14:01
<Nubae>
maybe its better served adapting to more distros?
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<Nubae>
the distro integrated ltsp handbook :-)
14:01
<ogra>
the ltsp part in any case
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<ogra>
the edubuntu parts not so much :)
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<Nubae>
heh, right
14:02
so someone needs to take over updating it to recent distros and make it a bit like plugins... a common part with distro specific stuff
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<ogra>
well, the basics should be identical on all distros
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<ogra>
ltsp-build-client needs to work similar on fedora, ubuntu, debian and gentoo at least
14:10
ltsp-update-sshkeys/-kernels as well
14:10
<Nubae>
right
14:11
<ogra>
lts.conf values, server sizing docs etc will all be the same
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<Nubae>
well, how would you go about starting?
14:11
<ogra>
-update-iage is oly in dostros using images though
14:11
*image
14:12
ubuntu by default, deban optional ... i dont think fedora has it
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<Nubae>
ogra: so how do you suggest one starts with that kind of project?
14:21
take old handbook and start converting to distro-non specific content?
14:22
and then the ubuntu stuff put in ubuntu section?
14:22
is there an online tool for documentation like this?
14:24
<Blinny>
Thanks, all. Later.
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<Jane_ux>
 I have a Ubuntu/LTSP network with approx. 200 user, which kind of internet connection may I have (bandwitch)?
14:42
<Nubae>
Jane_ux: the biggest possible :-)
14:43
not a useful answer, but the question is a little vague
14:43
<Jane_ux>
:)
14:44
ok, lets say
14:46
I have 200 machines as thin clients in a Ubuntu/LTSP network, if all the machines are browsing a normal website at the same time, which connection approx. should i have, 3Gb is enought? 50Gb?
14:47
<Nubae>
megabit u mean, right?
14:47
or u talking about non internet bandwidth - internal bandwidth?
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<Bitland>
hola gente
15:40
alguien sabría decirme pq el terminal tonto entra por usuario administrador y el resto da error de password?
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<opensauce>
Hi all
15:45
how would I setup thin client to login to the server without a password?
15:48
<sutula>
opensauce: There are some options in lts.conf: LDM_AUTOLOGIN, LDM_USERNAME, LDM_PASSWORD
15:49
(true, username, and password)
15:49
e.g. LDM_AUTOLOGIN = true
15:50
<opensauce>
ok so is it that file Im working in to make this work?
15:50
<sutula>
Yes
15:51
<opensauce>
and thats in the opt/ltsp/i386/etc dir?
15:51
<sutula>
yes
15:51
<opensauce>
cool will try thanks!
15:51
<sutula>
np
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<Bitland>
After some changes in the DNS server, the terminal only goes in through the user that realized the installation of ubuntu, the rest says that wrong password, ¿by where begin? P.D. The passwords are correct, bought in the host
15:55
Forgive my English, use an automatic translator
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<Bitland>
hello again
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<Bitland>
¿Why can not go in like "normal" user from the thin client? It gives wrong password with the rest of users. And are well written sure, checked in the server, where himself can go in.
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<vagrantc>
Bitland: which linux distro?
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<vagrantc>
Bitland: if ubuntu: ltsp-update-sshkeys ; ltsp-update-image
16:15
Bitland: if debian, just run ltsp-update-sshkeys
16:15
i don't know with other distros.
16:16
<Bitland>
vagrantc: thank you very much, ill try it now (ubuntu 8.04)
16:16
<vagrantc>
Bitland: hablo un poco de espanol, tambien ...
16:16
<Bitland>
pues sería mejor para mí :)
16:17
como funcione le pongo una vela a Santa Rita :-)
16:18
Parallel mksquashfs: Using 2 processors
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Creating little endian 3.1 filesystem on /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img.tmp, block size 131072.
16:18
[======== ] 2767/20725 13%
16:18
ya tengo ganas de que acabe :9
16:19
es una verdadera maravilla la instalación de ltsp desde ubuntu, y funcionan los dispositivos en local, es un gran adelanto para ltsp que se instale tan fácil desde las distribuciones
16:20
por cierto, a veces no coge la máxima resolución de la pantalla del terminal ligero, y al conectarse en el servidor pone la resolución que se dejó en el terminal, ¿cómo se puede arreglar?
16:20
<vagrantc>
hablo solo un poco :)
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<Bitland>
pues no funciona, ya ni siquiera el administrador :-(
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<warren>
hmm
16:58
vagrantc: do you know historical reasons why localdevs would stop working with LDM_DIRECTX=yes?
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<Metatron>
im trying to get etherboot going, when i use mknbi-linux it ends with error vmlinuz: file not found using this command :/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp$ sudo mknbi-linux --output=vmlinuz.etherboot --rootdir="/dev/ram0" --append="rw" vmlinuz initrd.img ideas?
17:00
ah nm i see now
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<muh2000>
hi
17:02
can it be that LTSP 5 does all networking stuff over ssh?
17:04
<Bitland>
muh2000: ¿Have reviewed as it remains the dhcp.conf?
17:04
<muh2000>
Bitland: que?
17:04
<Bitland>
muh2000: perdon, era para Metatron
17:05
Metatron: ¿Have reviewed as it remains the dhcp.conf?
17:05
<muh2000>
the issue: videos lag as hell. the cpu usage on the terminal goes up with ssh using like 70%
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<Bitland>
bye
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<muh2000>
hmpf
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<vagrantc>
warren: improper use of xauth, mainly.
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warren: although that was introduced to provide a modicrum of security ... before that anyone could connect to ltspfsd.
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<Metatron>
bitland, im trying to use mknbi to take my Linux kernel and put it in the proper format needed to load via the Etherboot loader, but im not sure im going about it correctly, i havent changed the dhcp.conf yet as i cant get the modified kernel right, the .conf is next after this, im stull confuzed
17:12
should the --rootdir=dir where that ltsp-build-client created?
17:12
i tried that still same error vmlinuz: file not found, im missing something basic
17:13
the thinclient's /boot folder is empty
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<vagrantc>
Metatron: what linux distribution are you using?
17:14
<Metatron>
ubuntu
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<vagrantc>
that should support etherboot out of the box.
17:15
<Metatron>
ok, then it must something im missing on the client end, ill read some more
17:15
<vagrantc>
although very old versions of etherboot may require a different build
17:15
<Metatron>
i should just set the client's bios to boot from lan, reboot and off i go right?
17:15
<vagrantc>
that's the hope
17:16
well, if it's in bios, it's probably PXE
17:16
<Metatron>
is there a way to monitor connection attemps, or just a log
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<Metatron>
my eth card has different revisions, and im not sure pxe is enabled for my card, can't seem to nail down the docs
17:17
more digging....hehe
17:17
this is just a test system ill be using other gear if i implement it
17:18
any log i can look at for failed lan boot on the client machine?
17:19
guess thats too gut level for a log
17:20
<sutula>
muh2000: Did you ever get an answer to your question? If not, LTSP5 does use ssh for all traffic by default
17:20
<muh2000>
sutula: no answer except yours :)
17:20
is there a way around SSH?
17:20
<sutula>
muh2000: Two ways:
17:21
The "easiest" is LDM_DIRECTX in lts.conf
17:21
It leaves ssh in place, but gets rid of the encryption
17:21
<muh2000>
i tried mounting on the shell (not on the server) but the filesmanager catches only the serverside stuff
17:21
hmmmmmmmmmmmm
17:22
<sutula>
Otherwise, you can configure it to use XDMCP instead, but that takes some work and is a lot more insecure
17:23
<muh2000>
sutula: is there a way to link the client local filesystem to the GUI(kde/whatever)?
17:24* sutula doesn't understand the question, and probably won't have the answer to that level of stuff
17:24
<sutula>
muh2000: What are you trying to achieve?
17:25
<muh2000>
sutula: not using SSH for filebrowsing or hmmm dont know how to say it.
17:25
the videos lag on the client ---->> ssh process uses 70% or more.
17:26
so i want to open files on the client that are stored on the server without using SSH
17:26
<sutula>
muh2000: That's mostly the encryption/decryption burning CPU on both client and server...LDM_DIRECTX will fix that
17:26
<muh2000>
sutula: without encryption everything will be viewable?!?
17:26
<sutula>
muh2000: Start there, and see if you need to do more tuning
17:26
<muh2000>
for wireshark..
17:27* sutula doesn't know if that will "fix it", but that's the first step
17:27
<muh2000>
LDM_DIRECTX=True?
17:27
<sutula>
muh2000: The next "step" people usually do is to install apps locally on the client, but that's harder
17:27
muh2000: Yes, RE LDM_DIRECTX
17:28
<muh2000>
sutula: "RE"?
17:28
<sutula>
muh2000: "RE" == "concerning"
17:28* muh2000 confused
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<sutula>
LDM_DIRECTX = True # This, to skip compression if using
17:28
# ldm instead of startx
17:29
muh2000: ^^^ from my lts.conf
17:29
<muh2000>
^^
17:30
<sutula>
Reboot the client after that
17:30
<muh2000>
already did that :)
17:30
installing apps on the client... wouldnt that make it a fat client?
17:31
<sutula>
muh2000: Yes
17:31
muh2000: People go in that direction when all else fails (RE performance), but takes more client hardware
17:31
<Metatron>
ok maybe the problem is the dhcp.config it is set to /ltsp/pxelinux.0 ubuntu docs say change it to /ltsp/vmlinuz.etherboot but there is not file there, not even a /ltsp folder ?
17:32
<muh2000>
sutula: sound/video is sync now. i think that fixed that ^^
17:32* sutula nods
17:32
<muh2000>
thanks fot the help :)
17:33
<sutula>
no problem...see ya
17:34
<muh2000>
but there is another thing.... :D the soundchip is nearly mute. it doesnt have enough power on the output (lts.conf already has volume = 100) is it possible to do something like volume = 200 ?
17:36
bad thing i cannot replace it since it is onboard and there is no expansion slot like pci...
17:42
<sutula>
muh2000: External speakers? Turn up the volume on them?
17:43* sutula doesn't know much about muh2000's setup
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<muh2000>
sutula: external yes. but i dont like turning it up, because when i switch the input to another computer playing music, my neighbours 2 floors above me would hear me. and i cannot listen to the music on a very load level because the volumecontroll would be @ 100% and still very quiet. it is connected to a harman kardon reciever with 200 watt speakers...
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<sutula>
muh2000: Unless there is a volume control (mixer applet) on the desktop that is turned down too far, I don't know where else to look...perhaps others here have more experience with the sound systems, or ask on the IRC channel that supports your server's distro (since, at this point, it's mostly like running on the server)
17:51
<muh2000>
mixerapplet like alsamixer or kmix?
17:51
<sutula>
Yes
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<muh2000>
sound volume on the client is the same when changing volume @ alsamixer or kmix
17:54* sutula suspects the applet isn't configured to use the right sound system (e.g. ALSA or ESD or whatever)
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<muh2000>
pulseaudio -> alsamixer showed also pulse audio
17:58
pavucontrol doesnt change anything too
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<rcy>
this isnt strictly ltsp related, but I'm running into size limitations loading initrd.gz files netbooting powerpcs with yaboot (hardy installer). anyone have any work arounds or ideas?
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