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Channel log from 18 September 2008   (all times are UTC)

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<Pascal_1>
Bonjour
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<killsalad>
hi all
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<amol>
cyberorg, hi
05:04
<cyberorg>
hi amol
05:04
<amol>
cyberorg, at client side application is running quite slow
05:05
<cyberorg>
amol, what is client spec?
05:05
and the serve spec too
05:06
<amol>
cyberorg,on server application running fast.. how to increase performace at client side
05:07
<cyberorg>
http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP/Tips_and_Tricks#Increasing_performance_on_low_end_client_hardware
05:09
<amol>
cyberorg, is it possible to use 3D compiz in client?
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<cyberorg>
amol, yes if your client hardware supports it, and if i suspect right novell is developing such technology that allows compiz even on unsupported hardware
05:11
<Nubae>
it will slow down client considerably
05:12
amol, make sure u have 256 mb ram and turn ssh encryption off
05:12
<killsalad>
is it possible to make ltsp server would make use of 2 network cards, because in my instalation gigabit ethernet isn't possible
05:13
<johnny>
2 network cards.. with two cables
05:13
with bonding
05:13
<Nubae>
killsalad: a firewall app like shorewall should be able to bridge 2 cards
05:13
yeah bonding better
05:14
<johnny>
you think?
05:14
<killsalad>
Nubae: so just ip forwarding will be sufficent ?
05:14
<Nubae>
yes, but like johnny said, bonding is better
05:15
http://wiki.debian.org/Bonding
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<amol>
killsalad, i am using two cards it is working
05:16
<Nubae>
amol: 2 cards on the internal netwok?
05:16
<amol>
Nubae, i am having 512Mb ram..how to turn off ssh encryption off?
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<johnny>
LMD_DIRECTX=Y
05:17
<killsalad>
another question : is dlink router slowing down network ?
05:18
<Nubae>
ldm
05:18
I use dlinks... they work pretty well
05:18
but mine are gigabit
05:18
<amol>
Nubae, one i ahve connected to switch ,one is for getting internet for server
05:18
<killsalad>
mine are thease cheaper ones
05:19
<Nubae>
right, killsalad is talking about 3 network cards, 2 on the internal network, one to the internet
05:19
<amol>
Nubae, ohh..
05:19
<killsalad>
Nubae: exactly
05:19
<Nubae>
well, try it out, but unless u're doing multimedia stuff or video and heavy flash stuff you should be allright
05:19
<jammcq>
LDM_DIRECTX=Y (johnny had LMD_)
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<johnny>
oops
05:20
<Nubae>
hey... how important are the spaces between =
05:20
?
05:20
<cyberorg>
hi jammcq
05:20
<Nubae>
I see some people insisting it makes a difference
05:20
<killsalad>
Witch network card do you recomend for serwer ?
05:20
<cyberorg>
Nubae, they shouldnt matter
05:20
<amol>
cyberorg, link you given is for suse..will it be ok for debian?
05:20
<cyberorg>
amol, yes
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<Nubae>
killsalad: a gigabit card :-)
05:22
<killsalad>
Nubae: beside gigabits ;) Must i avoid cheap realtek based NICs ?
05:22
<jammcq>
g'morning cyberorg
05:22
<Q-FUNK>
hm
05:22
<jammcq>
Nubae: in lts.conf, spaces do NOT matter
05:22
<cyberorg>
amol, you will have lts.conf in another location though
05:23
<jammcq>
killsalad: realtek's are fine in the client. I'd avoid them for servers
05:23
<Nubae>
yeah I'd go for 3com
05:24
I've had broadcomm tg3 driver based cards and they caused me problems...
05:25
<killsalad>
so what chipset do you recomend for server?
05:26
<Nubae>
chipset?
05:27
<amol>
cyberorg, Nubae i tried to print from client for printing web page but it is not printing comlete data of webpage
05:27
<killsalad>
nic chipset
05:27
<Q-FUNK>
3com or intel
05:27
<Nubae>
3com
05:27
built in intel is probably cheaper though :-)
05:28
<Q-FUNK>
too may drivers for 3com cards default to 10mb simply because the chipset started back in stone age, instead of properly negotiating the maximum speed.
05:28
<Nubae>
try checking preview amol before printing
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<killsalad>
Nubae: server is intel based ;)
05:32
so i've to get a rtl cadr for internet connection, and some 3com/intel for bound
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<amol>
Nubae, how to turn off ssh encryption off?
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<Nubae>
amol: johnny and jammcq gave u the answer above
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<amol>
Nubae, LDM_DIRECTX=Y is this one?
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<Nubae>
yes
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<amol>
is it possible to use gdm in place of ldm?/
05:44
<johnny>
not if you want the stuff that makes ltsp ltsp..
05:44
local devices, local apps
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<Nubae>
can a dual cpu p3 700mhz act as a server?
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<Q-FUNK>
sure
06:32
multicore is always good
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<vlt>
Hello. We got some problems here with eternally running nbd server processes both for nbdrootd and nbdswapd (LTSP on Ubuntu 8.04). Any idea how to solve this?
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<vlt>
Hello. We got some problems here with eternally running nbd server processes both for nbdrootd and nbdswapd (LTSP on Ubuntu 8.04). Any idea how to solve this?
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<ogra>
check your /etc/hosts.allow
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it should have a keepalive entry for nbdserver
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if not, add it
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that will make sure tcpd shuts it down
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<vlt>
ogra: In the server's /etc/hosts.allow there's this line: "nbdrootd: ALL: keepalive"
07:18
ogra: Should I change that or should this work already?
07:25
<ogra>
it should work already
07:25
depending on the default keepalive time tcpd uses
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<_UsUrPeR_>
:D
08:08
morning!
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<jammcq>
g'morning friends
08:10
<_UsUrPeR_>
hey jammcq
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<_UsUrPeR_>
morning gadi
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<Gadi>
g'morning
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<Nubae>
cool, Geneva moved all its schools to Linux
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<_UsUrPeR_>
question pertaining to onboard thin client ram: is it possible to precache programs?
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<sbalneav>
Morning all
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<jammcq>
Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
10:18
<sbalneav>
Morning jammcq
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<monteslu>
hey guys, what where can i edit grub.conf or something similar so I can get more boot debug info on ltsp5 ?
10:24
something like remove quiet splash
10:24
but for the thin clients
10:24
I'm blind right now as to why, my ntavo thin clients stopped working and why I can't print anymore
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<Ryan52>
monteslu: look for a pxelinux.cfg in /var/lib/tftpboot
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<Nubae>
is it possible to make a hard drive boot rom from a cdrom instead of floppy?
10:30
<monteslu>
Ryan52, exactly what I was looking for, thanks
10:33
<Gadi>
Nubae: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/symbiont/eb_pci.iso?modtime=1152098919&big_mirror=0
10:34
try that
10:35
<Nubae>
Gadi: and that creates a hard drive based pxe boot rom?
10:35
<Gadi>
that's an etherboot cdrom - if that's what ur after
10:35
what's a "hard-drive based pxe boot rom"?
10:35
<Nubae>
I'd like it to be on the hard drive, not the cdrom
10:35
but transferable from a cdrom instead of a floppy
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<Nubae>
all the docs I've read are talk about making a floppy and then transfering that to the hard drive
10:36
my thin clients dont have floppy drives
10:36
<Gadi>
y'know, it may be the coffee this morning, but I still don't get it
10:36
:)
10:36
<Nubae>
booting from the the thin client's hard drive into ltsp
10:38
<Gadi>
maybe you can show me the docs
10:38
<Nubae>
usually u load from network card, or cdrom, or even floppy
10:38
I'd like to load from the local hard drive
10:38
but have problems putting the rom on the hard drive since I have no floppy drive
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<Nubae>
yeah let me find the docs
10:40
http://www.wizzy.org.za/article/articlestatic/14/1/2/
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<Gadi>
Nubae: you are aware that these techniques mess with your hard drive partitioning?
10:52
not something you should do lightly
10:52
<Nubae>
dont care about the drive... its just neater to do than with a cdrom
10:52
<Gadi>
you don't care about the drive at aall?
10:52
does it need to dual-boot?
10:52
<Nubae>
nope... its just a thin client
10:53
<Gadi>
oh, then that's easy
10:53
you should just be able to grab the standard etherboot stuff that you would *normally* write to /dev/fd0 and write it to the hdd
10:54
you waste 99% of the hdd space
10:54
:)
10:54
but, hey
10:55
brb
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<Nubae>
I get that... but I need to write it from a cdrom somehow... ie... load some form of minimal linux on cdrom, then write to hdd
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<Gadi>
knoppix?
10:59
there a a million of those
10:59
:)
10:59
ubuntu live cd
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<Nubae>
right... doh
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<Gadi>
or use your etherboot cdrom to boot from the network, drop into a shell, and do it
11:01
:)
11:01
you can use LTSP
11:01
:)
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<cyberorg>
Gadi, is so happy :)
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<Gadi>
yo mama's thin client's so fat... the only thing it's missing is a place to save the porn...
11:06* Gadi elbows jammcq ans sbalneav
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<Gadi>
*and
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yo mama's thin client's so fat... when she logs in, she needs to eat her way out
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<sbalneav>
Badum-bum
11:08* Gadi watches the tumbleweed....
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<sbalneav>
<<crickets chirping>>
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<Gadi>
yo mama had a fat client once - cost her $20/hr just for the room!
11:10
nothin? really?
11:10
*sigh*
11:10* Gadi goes back to his day-job
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<sbalneav>
lol
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<sbalneav>
The big hook hasn't come out yet, so keep trying :)
11:11
<cyberorg>
Gadi, for a moment i thought yo mama routine was your day job :D
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<ltsppbot>
"Nubae" pasted "ifconfig -a" (28 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/79
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<Nubae>
welp, pasted here instead of #edubuntu
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<jammcq>
oh man, I missed the comedy stylings of Gadi
11:14
<Gadi>
jammcq: evidently you're not the only one ;)
11:15
<sbalneav>
Gadi: You keep telling the jokes. I like 'em.
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<sbalneav>
And really, it's only my happiness that matters. :)
11:17
<jammcq>
nice little ecosystem here. Gadi tells jokes, makes scotty happy. what more could you ask for.
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<Gadi>
yo mama's thin client's so fat.... when it runs a flash animation - even the nudists protest!
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<Nubae>
that one isn't too bad... you're getting better ;-)
11:21
<Q-FUNK>
:D
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<sbalneav>
Gadi: I have a nude beach near my cottage, I'd say that one's a winner!
11:22
<Q-FUNK>
next thing you know, it's gonna be #nudehack in here
11:23* jammcq votes for the next hackfest to be held at Scotty's cottage
11:23
<Q-FUNK>
sbalneav: nude beach west of ottawa river?! you gotta be joking?
11:23
yeah, let's all beam up to alsama
11:23
<Gadi>
lol
11:24
how about skit night? ;)
11:24
<Q-FUNK>
skit row
11:24
no kilt required
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<jammcq>
skit night, eh? could be fun
11:25
we could do charades
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<monteslu>
is jetpipe still the way to make thin clients print servers?
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<gbolte>
monteslu, I believe so
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<monteslu>
gbolte, yeah. I forgot that it was a bug in 8.04
12:12
somehow the jetpipe script was left out
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<gbolte>
or at least it is still in for opensuse
12:14
yeah a while back python got ripped out of the image for opensuse causing jetpipe to fail
12:14
:/
12:14
<monteslu>
oops
12:14
<gbolte>
but thats been fixed for some time now
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<Blinny>
Gadi: I've finally gotten around to using your newer process-killing script - Looks really nice and wtmp works again. Yea! Your rox-0x0rz.
12:33
<johnny>
what was sbalneav talking about with cups before?
12:34
<Q-FUNK>
bad cups, bad cups, watchagonnado? watchagonnado when they postscript you?
12:35* _UsUrPeR_ facepalms
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<gbolte>
...
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<Gadi>
Blinny: cool - let ogra know - he was just asking me the other day about my crazy pkill thingy
12:37
<Nubae>
can I take a look?
12:38
<Gadi>
Nubae: not unless you know the password
12:38
j/k
12:38
lemme find it...
12:38
<Nubae>
heh
12:38
<Gadi>
unless Blinny has it handy
12:39
<Nubae>
blinny why dont u make a wiki entry under help.ubuntu.com/UbuntuLTSP/
12:39
<Q-FUNK>
it has to be said that the sheer amount of eyecandy in Tallinn is unbelievable
12:39
<Nubae>
this will be useful to a lot of people
12:39
Tallinn?
12:39
eyecandy scantly clad women I suppose ;-)
12:39
<Q-FUNK>
jah
12:40
erm... yeah, close enough
12:40
<Gadi>
i guess that's why the inn is so tall...
12:40
<Nubae>
lol
12:40
<Q-FUNK>
just that the average level of attractiveness is much higher here than in many places I've been
12:41
:D
12:41
<vagrantc>
in the irc channel?
12:41
<Q-FUNK>
the odd part is, the tallest inn here is swisshotel. draw your own conclusions. ;)
12:42
vagrantc: in Tallinn
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<vagrantc>
sounds like a language
12:42
<Nubae>
an elven language
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<Q-FUNK>
asides from ex-soviet grannies, hard to find one girl who is not at least remotely attractive. the average girl here is someone who could steal the center page of any magazine in her sleep.
12:43
<ltsppbot>
"Gadi" pasted "I think this was it, Nubae..." (80 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/80
12:43
<vagrantc>
i was thinking indian ...
12:43
<Nubae>
hmmm... sounds like a nice place to live
12:44* Gadi bets they like yo mama's thin client jokes there, too
12:44
<Q-FUNK>
hheh
12:44
yeah, their mamas are all the slim and tall types
12:45
<Gadi>
perfect
12:45
:)
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<Nubae>
what did u name the script and at what runlevel?
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<Gadi>
Nubae: save to: /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ldm/rc.d/S15userLoginCheck
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reroll the image
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and set: LDM_LIMIT_ONE_SESSION = True
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in lts.conf
12:50
it should prompt the user that they are logged in elsewhere and offer to proceed, killing the old session
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<Gadi>
and as a by-product, it should clean up old procs
12:51
without prompting
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<Nubae>
nice... I'll test it at my school
12:51
<Gadi>
it's evil incarnate
12:51
but people like that
12:51
:)
12:52
<Nubae>
yeah like watchdog...
12:52
but this looks nicer
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<Gadi>
If we can fix ldm and the sessions to do things properly, we won't need such savage scripts
12:53
<Nubae>
well, gnome needs to be fixed too :-)
12:53
<Gadi>
hopefully, that will be revisited this hackfest
12:53
well, it's not gnome's fault
12:53
<Nubae>
still too many programs that dont handle well in multi-user environments
12:53
<Gadi>
actually, gnome works properly - its ldm's fault
12:54
no - the stale procs are mostly due to us
12:54
<Nubae>
really?
12:54
<Gadi>
but, fixing it requires that we fix it properly across distros
12:54
so, we have to be careful
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<Gadi>
yeah, we brutally kill off the session
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usually before it has a chance to communicate with the procs that it needs to
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so they dissociate
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<Gadi>
we don't close the session properly
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<Nubae>
ahhh... that kinda makes sense
12:55
<Gadi>
we kill
12:55
and killing is never nice
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<Gadi>
we only do it, because we're selfish
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<Nubae>
you kill nice processes :-)
12:55
<Gadi>
we kill the processes we don't understand
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:)
12:56
the ones we haven't met
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or gotten to know
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<Nubae>
well the evil processes are zombies
12:56
:-)
12:56
<Gadi>
sure are
12:56
that's where evil processes go when they die
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:)
12:57
doomed to walk the process tree....
12:57
neither living nor dead
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<Nubae>
I remember a friend of mine making a long joke about evil processes, zombies and the like...
12:57
lots of linux vocabulary revolved around it
12:58
can't remember now...
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<johnny>
Gadi, iirc tho.. .gvfs still doesn't disassociate properly , even if you logout in normal session
13:03
maybe that's fixed in 2.23 tho..
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<Gadi>
well, if anyone wants to try out: lp:~gideon/ltsp/ldm-trunk-gadi
13:03
<cyberorg>
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=370730
13:03
<Gadi>
and tell me if logout still works on your distro, that's be great
13:04
this one kills the kids of the ssh tunnel, allowing the tunnel to die on its own
13:04
rather than killing the tunnel itself
13:04
That *should* play nicer with most things... (I think)
13:04
<johnny>
even screen?
13:05
<Gadi>
well, any child process of the parent tunnel - right now, when you log out, the entire parent tunnel is killed
13:05
so, it would be the same
13:06
does screen persist with a logout right now?
13:06
<johnny>
not sure
13:07
iirc vagrantc was interested in that
13:07
in making sure that use case worked
13:07
<Nubae>
where is screen used in ltsp?
13:07
<Gadi>
yeah - this whole business of preserving processes intentionally between logouts, I don't think is either a) currently addressed or b) currently a concern for 99% of the userbase
13:08* Gadi thinks it was ogra's concern - but I think it was a comment on architecture of a new approach rather than something that we needed to preserve from what we currently do
13:08
<johnny>
Nubae, it isn't
13:09
but users might use it
13:09
me personally, i don't need such a thing
13:09
but it was vagrantc's issue with things like gnome-watchdog and that script of moquist's
13:10
<Gadi>
yeah, it's just silliness to let that bog us down while we have more fundamental problems
13:10
<Nubae>
indeed
13:11
<Gadi>
cyberorg: killing the X connection abruptly is difficult to tackle client-side
13:11
the best approach is to set up your ssh server to timeout connections
13:12
<cyberorg>
Gadi, issue we are having is gvfsd is still alive after user logs off
13:12
<Gadi>
after a certain period of idleness
13:12
I "zapped the X server" != log off
13:12
:)
13:12
does it happen with a proper log off, as well?
13:12
<cyberorg>
Gadi, doing a proper log off from the session
13:13
<Gadi>
"I log in, and shortly afterwards quit by zapping the X server - ctrl-alt-backspace. I log in again, then I have two of a number of daemons: "
13:13
that is a different use case
13:13
<cyberorg>
Gadi, that is what the reporter says, but the same issue is with ltsp user
13:13
he has gvfs* lingering even after loging off
13:14
<Gadi>
inthat case, try: lp:~gideon/ltsp/ldm-trunk-gadi
13:14
see if it helps
13:14
<cyberorg>
Gadi, what part from there?
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<cyberorg>
oh, ldm
13:14
ok, will do
13:14
<Gadi>
just the last change
13:15
many of these types of issues stem from the sshd not issuing a close session command
13:15
but rather simply dying abruptly
13:15
so, it doesn't clean up
13:15
and things like gvfs are like: wtf?
13:15
<cyberorg>
Gadi, if it works, lets just merge your "improvements"
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<Gadi>
cyberorg: I think everything is merged except the last change
13:18
<cyberorg>
k
13:18
<Gadi>
but, thiings like this need a lot of testing
13:18
<cyberorg>
bzr takes forever to get
13:18
<Gadi>
because different versions of things and different desktops behave differently
13:18
cyberorg: youmay need to upgrade your bzr
13:19
<cyberorg>
azaar (bzr) 1.5
13:19
<Gadi>
ah - higher than me
13:19
:)
13:19
well, you can see the diff online
13:20
I just made a small change
13:21
<cyberorg>
pkill -P $PPID", NULL); ?
13:21
<sbalneav>
I think the kill -1 at the end is a source of a lot of the problems.
13:22
I meant to sit down and try to figure out why the logout doesn't happen if we do the proper ssh tunnel shutdown.
13:23
I think I may give some thought to that tonight.
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<Gadi>
sbalneav: if you could test this, too, that'd be great
13:24
<johnny>
so gentlemen.. for those who don't know.. i've integrated local apps stuff into my ebuilds, and got sound working finally.. turns out it was issues with esd running.. DUH
13:25
<Gadi>
cyberorg: yes
13:25* Gadi passes johnny a beer
13:25
<johnny>
i finally added the syslinux dep too
13:26
need a way to select yaboot too.. for those who are insane
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<Gadi>
sbalneav: btw: vagrantc and I had the whole ssh -O stuff working
13:28
but, it failed for warren
13:28
for vagrantc, it worked when he used sshd version >=5
13:29* Gadi waves to ogra
13:29* ogra waves from a hotelroom at http://www.osimworld.com
13:30
<Gadi>
wow - a hotel room! did you get promoted? ;)
13:34
<AlienX_>
hotel rooms are overrated. Sleeping under bridges FTW!
13:35
<sbalneav>
Gadi: yeah, so it's an ssh version thing.
13:35
It would be nice to get it going properly under older ssh's
13:35
<Gadi>
sbalneav: but, it failed for warren - and he was running ssh >5
13:35
so, the jury's still out
13:36
meanwhile I think using pkill -P instead of kill will work, too
13:36
at least, it should solve the pam issue
13:36
I am hopeful it will solve the proc issues too
13:39
<ogra>
AlienX_, well, i didnt say *my* hotelroom
13:40
the room i sleep in is nearly brige quality ... thats what you get booking yourself instead of relying on a travel agent :P
13:40* ogra is out for dinner ...
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<Pascal_1>
gadi you 're speaking about this bug : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=471793 ?
13:43
<Gadi>
yup
13:43
as one example
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<Gadi>
pam_mount does not call unmount because sshd is murdered
13:44
if you kill sshd's kids, sshd will end her own life
13:44
and, poetically, tell pam - her best friend
13:44
<jammcq>
she'll have nothing to live for
13:44
<Gadi>
exactly
13:44
pam will weep, and be by her side until the end
13:45
<jammcq>
maybe pam will reap ?
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<gbolte>
anyone knoe if there is a way in gnome or otherwise to search by file creation date
13:52
<johnny>
find ? :)
13:52
<jammcq>
man find
13:53
<johnny>
find startpath -ctime
13:53
don't know the format of -ctime arg tho
13:53
<jammcq>
the +/- ctime flag wants the number of days. I think '-' means less than x days
13:54
'+' means more than that many days
13:54
and without either, it means exactly that many days
13:54
<gbolte>
johnny, thanks
13:54
<jammcq>
find / -ctime 30
13:54
that'll find all files less than 30 days old
13:55
<gbolte>
alright I need to find a file created on september 5th
13:55
:)
13:55
<jammcq>
today is the 18th
13:55
so, that could be 12 or 13 days ago, depending on what time
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<jammcq>
so maybe something like: find / -ctime 13 +ctime 12
13:56
not sure if it works like that tho
13:56
<gbolte>
alright I will give it a shot and see what happens
13:56
:D
13:56
<jammcq>
might need 14 and 11
13:56
experiment
13:56
it's not like you'll break it :)
13:56
<Gadi>
oh, and don't forget to pipe to xargs rm -f
13:56
doh!
13:57
<jammcq>
nah, you could just do -exec rm -f {}\;
13:57
but.... read the man page first, to see what kind of detruction that will cause
13:58
<johnny>
my favorite is the chmod
13:58
that's what i mainly use find for
13:58
since chmod -R rarely does what i need
13:58
-type d and -type f
13:59
<Gadi>
johnny: you do chmod -R with letters and not numbers, yes?
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<johnny>
depends
14:00
either way.. usually i don't want to mark the files executable
14:00
and even with letters that will happen
14:00
<Gadi>
true
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<gbolte>
lol find dosent work on novfs
14:01
:/
14:01
lame
14:02
<jammcq>
oh?
14:02
why would find care? it's just asking the VFS to do stuff
14:02
<gbolte>
dont know
14:04
<johnny>
novfs ?
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<Nubae>
anyone tried using an eeepc as thin client?
14:09
<cyberorg>
Nubae, asmo did, works out of box on suse
14:10
<Nubae>
how did he set the asus to boot from network
14:10
<johnny>
something about plugging something else in..
14:10
hmm.. what was that..
14:10
oh.. the power cable
14:10
unplugging it
14:10
<cyberorg>
he had usb card
14:11
<Nubae>
unplug power cable?
14:11
<cyberorg>
http://dev.compiz-fusion.org/~cyberorg/2008/07/12/awesome/
14:12
<gbolte>
johnny, novfs is Novell's network filesystem basically
14:12
<johnny>
lol
14:13
<gbolte>
their psudo answer to windows filesharing in an AD environment
14:13
IMO its crap
14:14
<johnny>
i thought samba could do that..
14:14
<gbolte>
but until we get a better way to auto mount directories for users thats what we have
14:15
<johnny>
seems easier to fix that problem than create a new fs..
14:16
<gbolte>
johnny, yeah samba can do that, but the problem is there isn't a good way that I know of to automout things like public and users My Documents and whatnot
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<johnny>
gbolte, sure.. but as i said.. sounds more fixable than creating a new fs
14:16
<gbolte>
yeah
14:16
<johnny>
seems like a nice session script could do it..
14:16
<gbolte>
possibly
14:17
not sure how to handle authentication
14:17
<johnny>
pam?
14:17
<gbolte>
to what
14:17
<johnny>
whatever it is you're trying to mount
14:18
<cyberorg>
gbolte, samba+ldap, it has automount too
14:18
<gbolte>
well we essentially have samba ldap with edirectory
14:18
<cyberorg>
you can have windows authenticating and have roaming profiles too
14:19
that is what we use here, and as a bonus windoz is protected by clamav samba-vscan ;)
14:19
<gbolte>
yeah, we have very few windows installs left
14:19
so thats good
14:19
:)
14:20
but the main issue is just making it so a "Public" share shows on a users desktop and a "My Documents" shows in their home dir all on login
14:21
not sure how to go about doing that
14:21
the way novell dose it is with sym links
14:22
so to programs they do not appear as remote
14:22
they are all symlinked to a virtual filesystem in /var/opt/novell/nclmount
14:23
so when a user logs in they authenticate with that kernel module and the symlinks are made for them and they have the appropriate permissions for each share
14:25
<Nubae>
ah... there it goes... the atheros pxe setup wasnt saving settings, only works when set in bios itself
14:25
<gbolte>
anyway sorry I am sure none of you are really THAT interested in this :P
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<Blinny>
autofs can do great automounting of FSs
14:38
<vagrantc>
ugh.
14:38* vagrantc sure likes ltspfs
14:39
<Blinny>
If ltspfs could remount home directories I'd be all over that like a dog on ham.
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<gbolte>
Blinny, yah I am looking into this problem a little more...I have to have a fuse based samba filesystem because the user has to be able to mount it with no root access
14:40
<Blinny>
Right.
14:41
G'luck (;
14:41
<gbolte>
ha
14:41
yeah
14:41
why do you think we are still using novfs
14:41
:P
14:46
<johnny>
you'd think that with CAPs that'd be possible
14:47
<gbolte>
CAPs?
14:47
<Blinny>
Concurrent Access Permissions ?
14:47
Crappy Allocation Parameters ?
14:47
<gbolte>
lol
14:48
<Blinny>
Credenzas Always Possess (s)tuff
14:48
Bah.
14:48
Later
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<johnny>
no.. linux capabilities
14:49
you can restrict apps to certain levesl
14:49
levels of access
14:49
<Nubae>
hmmm my eeepc is freezing on bootup from pxe
14:49
<johnny>
of course it doesn't work if apps check for uid 0
14:50
but those apps should be fixed
14:54
<Nubae>
wierd, the eeepc is gettting a kernel panic... /init Can't open /tmp/net-eth0.conf
14:55
<Gadi>
Nubae: because of the wireless card
14:55
(or because you lack the driver)
14:55
actually, prolly the latter
14:55
you lack the driver
14:55
is it the atom-based unit?
14:56
<Nubae>
nope, atom is the classmate
14:57
I disabled the wireless
14:57
<Gadi>
*mY eeepc is atom ;)
14:57* Gadi has the 901
14:57
<Nubae>
really... that new?
14:57
<Gadi>
la la la
14:57
<Nubae>
ahhh
14:57* Gadi loves it
14:57
<Nubae>
this be the old small screeny one
14:58
<Gadi>
took it on vacation, connected it to my phone and used my phone as modem
14:58
<Nubae>
yeah its a wonderful little machine, amazing how stable it is... they say 80% of users have stuck with linux
14:58
<Gadi>
I could be online anywhere
14:58
installed wine, so my wife could run her board-exam CDs
14:58
downloaded Transformers for my older one for the airplane
14:59
8 hours of battery life
14:59
a beautiful thing
14:59
<johnny>
i was hoping they'd make a smaller one based on atom
14:59
<Nubae>
what os, regular xandros or something else?
14:59
<Gadi>
right now, regular xandros
14:59
haven't had time to hack
14:59
:)
14:59
besides, they made everything work
15:00
who am I to break things ;)
15:00
<Nubae>
netbook remix will look good on it
15:00
so still getting the same error, I disabled the wireless
15:00
<Gadi>
yeah, it's a driver thing
15:00
you booting ubuntu?
15:00
<Nubae>
yep regular gnome ltsp
15:01
<Gadi>
boot locally into it, open a terminal and find out the ethernet module
15:01
*driver
15:01
(open a terminal with ctrl-alt-t - xandros just used icewm :) )
15:02* Gadi has to run
15:02
<Gadi>
ciao
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15:09
<sfyn>
hello
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<sfyn>
Anyone in here feel like helping me troubleshoot a usb key issue?
15:09
<ltsppbot>
"Lns" pasted "Certain users cannot open OpenOffice (even after 'rm -rf ~/.openoffice2.org')" (20 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/81
15:10
<Lns>
Anybody have any clues as to my issue (paste above) ? Random users on LTSP cannot access OpenOffice, even after config wipe
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<johnny>
is it still running?
15:12
<Lns>
johnny: ?
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<johnny>
openoffice..
15:16
is it still running in the background
15:16
or did a piece of it start, and not the whole thing, etc
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<Lns>
johnny: oh, .. not sure.
15:19
lemme check.
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<Lns>
johnny: thanks..that was the issue. It'd be nice for programs to check to see if it's already running, and in what state, before they silently crash!
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<johnny>
Lns, at least you can hack it
16:06
with a wrapper shell script
16:06
pkill -u -f openofficecommand
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<sfyn>
hello
16:53
Anyone here want to help me with a usb key on thin clients issue?
16:53
<Lns>
!help
16:53
<ltspbot`>
Lns: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
16:54
<Lns>
err.. hehe
16:54
sfyn: go ahead, don't ask to ask, just ask =)
16:54
<sfyn>
ok
16:54
I've been following the troubleshooting steps on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev
16:55
Which led me to connect as root via vt1 on a thin client, and try plugging in a sub key
16:55
dmesg shows the key being activated, and it appears in fstab
16:55
I was also able to mount it usinf the command mount /dev/sda1 /tmp
16:56
but when I tried this command: ssh -X -S /var/run/ldm_socket_vt7_192.168.2.10 192.168.2.10 "/usr/sbin/ltspfsmounter /tmp add"
16:56
The error message I got: Cannot open X display
16:56
Error: /tmp/.root-ltspfs/tmp is not mounted
16:57
Well and I'm not sure where to go from here
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<Lns>
sfyn: sorry, i've never delved that much into localdev... hopefully someone else here can help though. stick around
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<gbolte>
lol
17:43
he didnt stick around long
17:43
<Lns>
Would it make sense at all to say that a certain h/w configuration of TC can slow the entire LTSP network down? I have a tech telling me that a certain type of machine they have makes all thin-clients slow down as soon as they boot them to LTSP.
17:43
heh gbolte
17:43
s/boot/boot and login
17:43
<gbolte>
hmm
17:43
I am not sure
17:44
<Lns>
it just doesn't make sense to me...but i definitely don't know everything about ltsp
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<Lns>
I just enabled & configured NBD_SWAP so hopefully that will help.
17:47* Lns never knew there was an /etc/ltsp/nbdswapd.conf file to create when turning on swap
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<vagrantc>
it's optional
17:48
or at least, should be.
17:51
<Lns>
vagrantc: ah. Default is 32, right?
17:53* Lns verifies at http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/edubuntu/handbook/C/ch03s05.html
18:01* Lns gives the unsolicited advice to add URL http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/edubuntu/handbook/C/server.html to topic
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<jammcq>
hello
20:02
<johnny>
hi
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<FuriousGeorge>
hey all
21:14
im trying to follow the ubuntu ltsp guide, with the exception that i have an 3rd party dhcp server
21:15
its almost working, but when i boot i go to an (initramfs) prompt, where it seems i cannot see/mount my root partition
21:15
i feel like im a directive away or something
21:29
the root partition is made available through nfs, right?
21:30
maybe i should check to see if nfs is exporting directories correctly?
21:43
<johnny>
ubuntu uses nbd by default
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<sbalneav>
Evening all
22:26
<johnny>
scottriffic
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<sbalneav>
I would also accept Scottastic, or Scottossitude.
22:30
<johnny>
scottastic was my 2nd choice
22:30
i was debating
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<amol>
johnny, how to access local harddisk at client side?
23:38
<johnny>
please just ask the room next time
23:38
don't ask specific people
23:39
i have to run for a little bit
23:39
<amol>
hi to all, how to access local harddisk our pen drive at client side?
23:40
<johnny>
pen drive isn't hte same as local hard disk :)
23:40
if pen drive doesn't work
23:40
follow the local devices debugging tips on ubuntu wiki
23:42
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev
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