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Channel log from 2 February 2008   (all times are UTC)

00:01
<Ryan52>
oh, its not restarting X. It is just a black screen...hmmmm....
00:02
but just doing xterm as the display manager works....whatever I don't really care why its not working
00:02
errr, window manager
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00:09
<vagrantc>
weird.
00:29
<Ryan52>
how do I make the resolution smaller? It doesn't fit in the screen area I would like it to.
00:30
<vagrantc>
Ryan52: how i usually do it is set the videoram to 1MB, which means it can't do more than 800x600
00:30
<Ryan52>
cool
00:30
<vagrantc>
Ryan52: otherwise, you can configure /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf and add X_MODE_0=640x480 or some such
00:32
<Ryan52>
ya, I should probably read some of the documentation so I can stop asking questions like that.
00:32
<vagrantc>
i'm really baffled why it didn't work with icewm ...
00:35
Ryan52: have you tried another window manager?
00:35
<Ryan52>
icewm works now...
00:35
<vagrantc>
what was the breakage?
00:35
<Ryan52>
I rebooted all the virtual machines since it didn't work but that that shouldn't matter
00:35
so I have no clue
00:36
<vagrantc>
hrm.
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01:20
<Ryan52>
vagrantc: Did you actually test your "crude autologin test patch"?
01:21
<vagrantc>
Ryan52: yes, it worked as expected
01:22
<Ryan52>
Did you make any changes to ldm.h?
01:23
<vagrantc>
Ryan52: when LDM_TEST_AUTOLOGIN=True, it used the autologin user/password no matter username and password you entered.
01:23
<Ryan52>
ohhh...nvm
01:23
I see now
01:23
<vagrantc>
no changes to anything other than what was in the patch
01:24
so somehow the gtkgreeter needs to pass to the ldm greeter interface, which then needs to pass to ldm that it needs autologin set...
01:26
<Ryan52>
so then there should be another variable (something like ALLOW_GUEST) that would make a guest button appear that would do the same funtion as the autologin variable now, right?
01:26
<vagrantc>
right
01:27
LDM_GUEST_LOGIN maybe ...
01:27
<Ryan52>
okay
01:27
<vagrantc>
hrm ... but maybe that sounds too much like a username ...
01:28
<Ryan52>
LDM_ALLOW_GUEST?
01:28
<vagrantc>
at any rate, we can figure that out later... important thing is getting the code :)
01:28
<Ryan52>
ya
01:28
are the changes I helped you with yesterday in the bzr repository?
01:29
<vagrantc>
Ryan52: bzr log -r 800
01:30
<Ryan52>
how do I update it? I have revision 799 right now.
01:30
<vagrantc>
Ryan52: bzr pull
01:30
maybe that's why the patch didn't work for you
01:30
<Ryan52>
ya, that would explain it
01:31
<vagrantc>
Ryan52: "bzr missing --short" to list the missing revisions
01:32
<Ryan52>
missing revisions?
01:32
<vagrantc>
Ryan52: well, you said you only had revision 799 ... so bzr missing would tell you a little about revisions 800+
01:32
<Ryan52>
ohhh
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01:48
<RyanRyan52>
vagrantc: Martin told me that you learned how to use something were it starts a shell and all the changes that you make while your in that shell it will put in to a patch. (That was a really bad way of phrasing it) What's that called?
01:53
<vagrantc>
RyanRyan52: dpatch
01:53
RyanRyan52: you need to add support for it in debian/rules, basically
01:54
<RyanRyan52>
interesting...
01:54
<vagrantc>
RyanRyan52: currently using it in ltspfs for a patch that's definitely needed in debian, but not sure if needed in other distros...
01:59
RyanRyan52: see you tomorrow
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07:19
<daresbalat>
heyaa, i just updated to gutsy and reinstalled my client and i cant remeber what i did to sort out the graphics last time now, deos anyone know how i get get the hardware lsiting for the client? :\ also has the lts.conf file changed place? should i use the new location it states?
07:23
ie /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386
07:27
<johnny>
they both work
07:28
move it as your pleasure
07:28
altho you have to rebuilt the squashfs everytime you edit it if you don't
07:28
but i haven't edited mine since first setting it up
07:29
<daresbalat>
ah how do you update it?
07:29
thanks btw :)
07:30
<johnny>
just move it
07:30
altho i'm heading to work, so i can't help youwith your gfx question, but i'm sure other folks will be about soon
07:30
<daresbalat>
cool
07:30
<johnny>
it's harder to get weekend help here it seems
07:30
<daresbalat>
do you know offhand how i get to login to the client and do lspci directly?
07:31
<johnny>
not sure if setting a root password on the chroot and then going to the console from there will show you it
07:31
i forgot
07:32
first time i've been up there early (0830) in awhile
07:32
foggy head
07:32
this*
07:32
<daresbalat>
haha np :)
07:32
<johnny>
don't forget to rebuild your squashfs if you're using ltsp 5
07:32
<daresbalat>
how do you do that?
07:32
<johnny>
ltsp-update-client
07:32
<daresbalat>
ahh
07:33
ah i got no ltsp-update-client program? is that bad?
07:33
update-image?
07:33
<johnny>
aha
07:33
yeah
07:33
<daresbalat>
:D phew
07:34
<johnny>
you have to chroot into it first tho
07:34
to set the password
07:34
<daresbalat>
yeah i did that for some reason cant log in though. hmm. ill try again
07:34
<johnny>
but did you update the image?
07:34
<daresbalat>
no
07:34
ahh i see
07:35
<johnny>
using squashfs is faster than the old way, but you have to remember to do the image updating .. it's a tradeoff
07:35
<daresbalat>
fair swap :) more speed sounds good to me
07:35
<johnny>
ok.. headin to work
07:35
bb at 1400
07:36
<daresbalat>
alright have a good day!
07:36
<johnny>
:)
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08:14
<daresbalat>
heya can anyone ehre give me a hand with a graphics card problem?
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11:19
<Guil-T>
I got a lt2600 (amd geode lx800 processor) that freezes when it trys to start X
11:19
total freeze...cannot switch tty
11:20
keyboard turns off too
11:20
anybody
11:20
??
11:22
anybody online?
11:30
<Q-FUNK>
Guil-T: known bug
11:31
Guil-T: https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/xserver-xorg-video-amd/+bug/140051
11:32
Guil-T: install the patched xserver-xorg-core packages found there into the chroot, run "ltsp-update-image" then reboot your thin client.
11:32
<Guil-T>
hmm ill try that
11:33
but this bug is with auto configure and I wrote a xorg.conf file
11:33
that specifies amd
11:33
<Q-FUNK>
Guil-T: make sure that you choose the right package for your Ubuntu release. 1.3 is for Gutsy, while 1.4 is for Hardy.
11:33
<Guil-T>
ok
11:33
<Q-FUNK>
same issue
11:33
X is bugged
11:33
<Guil-T>
ya
11:33
especially with less common hw
11:34
<Q-FUNK>
do I assume that you are on Gutsy?
11:35
if yes, you'll also need this: http://q-funk.iki.fi/debian/pool/x/xserver-xorg-video-amd/
11:38
<Guil-T>
ya
11:38
sorry reading the bug
11:39
what i did ii apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-amd
11:40
do i still need this?
11:40
<Q-FUNK>
https://launchpad.net/%7Eq-funk/+archive
11:41
you need both the patched xserver-xorg-core from there and the latest -amd driver from the other place
11:42
<Guil-T>
ok so i added the entries in my source.list
11:43
how is it going to figure where to take it cuz its also available in the other repos
11:44
<Q-FUNK>
it will use the version
11:44
<Guil-T>
the newer version available
11:44
<Q-FUNK>
but you need this in the sources.list of your chroot, not your server side. :)
11:45
<Guil-T>
from all repos
11:45
<Q-FUNK>
yes
11:45
<Guil-T>
of course
11:45
<Q-FUNK>
actualy, you might wanna skip the entry to my personal repo
11:45
<Guil-T>
hmm
11:46
really?
11:46
<Q-FUNK>
it contains packages that I marked as essential, but that are only essential for me :)
11:46
<Guil-T>
lol
11:46
<Q-FUNK>
just use wget to download the -amd driver from there
11:46
<Guil-T>
ok
11:46
<Q-FUNK>
the launchpad source is ok to add
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<Guil-T>
ok so i added the following only
11:47
<PMantis>
Hi gusy
11:47
<Guil-T>
deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/q-funk/ubuntu gutsy main
11:47
deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/q-funk/ubuntu gutsy main
11:47
<PMantis>
lol Hi Guys
11:47
<Q-FUNK>
yes
11:48
althoguh you won't need the source one, just the deb one
11:48
<Guil-T>
then i should apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-amd
11:48
ok
11:49
how do i update the xserver-core
11:49
apt-get update
11:49
then apt-get upgrade?
11:49
with that new repos in the source.list?
11:52
said xserver-core is already the newest version
11:52
!pastebot
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11:55
<ltsppbot>
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11:56
<Guil-T>
sorry forgot to apt-get update
11:57
ok now it updated correctly
11:57
it should work?
12:02
testing
12:05
wow it really seems to be close
12:05
it shows weird colors
12:06
like an extremely low res
12:06
still there Q?
12:06
Q-funk?
12:07
<Q-FUNK>
ah, low rez
12:07
for that, you need to install the updated -amd driver
12:08
just do apt-get update, then apt-get upgrade
12:08
<Guil-T>
hmm
12:08
how does wget work
12:09
i didnt take it from you repo
12:10
testing
12:12
same problem
12:12
how can i get the drivers from you repo
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12:18
<Guil-T>
deb http://q-funk.iki.fi/debian/pool/x/xserver-xorg-video-amd/ gutsy main
12:18
would that work for your repo Q-funk
12:19
darn so close
12:22
<Q-FUNK>
erm, nope
12:22
just use wget
12:22
<Guil-T>
how does it work
12:22
i am a n00b
12:22
<Q-FUNK>
wget http://q-funk.iki.fi/debian/pool/x/xserver-xorg-video-amd/xserver-xorg-video-amd_2.7.7.6-1ubuntu1_i386.deb
12:22
then
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sudo dpkg -i xserver-xorg-video-amd_2.7.7.6-1ubuntu1_i386.deb
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inside the chroot
12:24
<Guil-T>
allright it worked
12:24
testing
12:25
if it works your my hero
12:25
<Q-FUNK>
remember to rebuild the image
12:26
sudo ltsp-update-image
12:26
<Guil-T>
did
12:27
same extremely low res
12:27
but at least it doesnt freeze
12:27
<Q-FUNK>
does that lt2610 boot off a General Software BIOS?
12:28
erm... lt2600, sorry
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12:29
<daresbalat>
heya cna anyone give me any advice on getting my thin client video working? ive got an ati rage pro and i cant get it working at more than 800x600...
12:31
<Q-FUNK>
Guil-T: if it uses General software as its BIOS, you're in bad luck: the default compilation settings produce unusable results.
12:31
<Guil-T>
hmm how can i check that
12:31
<Q-FUNK>
Guil-T: what brand is reported when you power it up?
12:31
<Guil-T>
ill check
12:32
darn it is general software
12:33
<Q-FUNK>
there you go.
12:33
<Guil-T>
can i flash the bios
12:33
<Q-FUNK>
maybe. see if the manufacturer distributes updates.
12:33
<Guil-T>
allright thanks so much for your time
12:34
<Q-FUNK>
welcome
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<yanu_>
in debian, what is taken for dhcpd-configuration? /etc/dhcpd3/dhcpd.conf or /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
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13:02
<vagrantc>
yanu: by default, /etc/dhcpd3/dhcpd.conf ... you can add a line to /etc/dhcpd3/dhcpd.conf that will include /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
13:03
yanu: you'll need to make sure that /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf has the right settings for your network, but otherwise it's safe to just add an include line...
13:04
<yanu>
vagrantc: and how do i do that? include /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf; that's all?
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<vagrantc_>
yanu: include "/etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf";
13:15
<yanu>
hmm, i don't get the part of tftp??
13:15
is there suppose to be something in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp ??
13:15
i read something about copy /opt/ltsp/i386/boot/ to /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp
13:16
or maybe mij tftp isn't listining
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<yanu>
tftp dgram udp wait root /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /var/lib/tftpboot
13:17
ok, that must be "/var/lib/tftpboot" instead of "/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp"
13:25
ok , that is solved, in /etc/exports "/opt/ltsp" must be "/opt/ltsp/i386"
13:26
all what i said is wrong, /etc/inetab was ok
13:26
<vagrantc_>
yanu: yes, there is supposed to be something in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp ...
13:26
yanu: did you run ltsp-build-client ?
13:26
<yanu>
the client is build
13:26
<vagrantc_>
the last part of ltsp-build-client populates /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp
13:26
<yanu>
now, nfs isn't finding his path ...
13:27
ach, there was an error, with linux-image [it is sid]
13:27
<vagrantc_>
ah, you're fixing things that aren't broken :P
13:27
(and breaking them)
13:28
<yanu>
i copied /opt/ltsp/i386/boot to /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp
13:28
ok
13:28
now cracking down nfs ...
13:28
<vagrantc_>
yanu: your install failed
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<yanu>
i read something about nfs and ndb ??
13:28
ya, just the kernel i supposse?
13:29
<vagrantc_>
yanu: with sid, you need to specify either --kernel-package linux-image-XXXXXX or specify --extra-mirror "http://some.debian.mirror/debian lenny main"
13:29
<yanu>
if i'll do it again, the same error would occeur
13:29
<vagrantc_>
if the kernel didn't install properly, nothing else is going to work properly.
13:29
<yanu>
so i have to do it again?
13:29
ok, have a try
13:30
<vagrantc_>
yanu: please be sure to try it one step at a time ... following the documentation at http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto
13:31
<yanu>
that was what i followed
13:31
+
13:31
<vagrantc_>
that says nothing about editing /etc/inetd.conf :P
13:32
yanu: you'll have to specify the kernel package explicitly in sid, because linux-image-486 is broken, or give it access to the lenny repository by specifying --extra-mirror
13:32
<yanu>
:) hehe, that was 'trying and learning' :) arg need to change xmodmaps ...
13:32
lenny is testing now?
13:33
<vagrantc_>
yes
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<yanu>
i want sid
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<vagrantc_>
yanu: then specify the kernel to install
13:34
<yanu>
linux-image-2.6.24-1-686
13:34
ok
13:34
<vagrantc_>
yanu: and if that's too complicated, maybe try etch with the backports :P
13:35
<yanu>
worked years with ltsp-4.x, so i can handle something ;)
13:35
<vagrantc_>
but if you use --extra-mirror with a lenny repository, you'll still get sid, it'll just pull lenny packages from things that are broken in sid.
13:35
either way...
13:36
you still get sid
13:36
<yanu>
i just replaced my old [since 2001] debian install , with a new one, that's some work
13:37
are there things broken then, for the client-root
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<vagrantc_>
i don't know, sid changes multiple times a day
13:38
<yanu>
ok, i'll try it, w'll see
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<yanu>
if i get to much complains from my kids and wife , i can always make a new client-tree
13:38
<vagrantc_>
it has worked quite well with specifying --extra-mirror pointing at a lenny repository.
13:39
<yanu>
i wrote your comment down, if ...
13:39
thx
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<yanu>
hmm, there goes my bandwidth, wroesh, damned :(
13:40* vagrantc_ recommends looking at the --copy-package-lists and --copy-package-cache options
13:41
<vagrantc_>
yanu: is this a sid server?
13:41
<yanu>
ya
13:43
options of ltsp-build-client? i don't see them in the man-page
13:44
<vagrantc_>
yanu: try the --help output (which should lead you to --extra-help)
13:44
OPTIONS not all options are available on all installations. for a complete list of available options, use the --help option.
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<yanu>
ok, found it, thx
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<yanu>
ok, boots to ldm, nice, much faster , i see
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<vagrantc_>
ah good :)
13:56
<yanu>
nice, now i am typing in dvorak, how can i change the keyboard for other family-members ?
13:57
i can change xorg.conf in the client-root?
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<vagrantc_>
yanu: look at /opt/ltsp/*/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client/lts-parameters.txt ... i think
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<yanu>
thx, ok, througd the lts.conf file, ok, think both work
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<vagrantc_>
i think gnome and kde allow you to switch keymap at login ...
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<yanu>
ya, i know, but it's ldm that matters, once logged is, there is no problem ...
14:12
nice, printers are working, now handl the 2 dhcp-servers
14:12
<vagrantc_>
2 dhcp servers?
14:13
best to get rid of one of them.
14:13
<yanu>
ya, it always worked with 2, now i have some trouble
14:14
dhcpd on ltspserver gives ip 192.168.88.5, but once the kernel loads, it changes to 192.168.88.22, wierd
14:14
<vagrantc_>
you have both dhcp servers configured to tell it where to download the files and where to mount the root filesystem?
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<Guil-T>
i have a thin client with a geode gx processor, it suport good rez and all but graphics are extremely slow
14:14
are there some tweeks i can try to boost performance
14:14
ideally i would like to play video on it
14:15
even the desktop is slow and choppy
14:15
<yanu>
vagrantc_: no, that's the problem with m0n0wall, ther are hidden parameters, but there is one short ...
14:20
shutting down the other dhcp-server solved that one
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<yanu>
vagrantc_: lots of thanks , all works fine now
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<vagrantc_>
great
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<johnny>
Guil-T, set DIRECTX = Y perhaps
14:32
in lts.conf
14:33
forget whether ti's DIRECTX or DIRECT_X
14:36
<yanu>
vagrantc_: do you know how i can change the default desktopmanager for every user?
14:38
<vagrantc_>
LDM_DIRECTX
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yanu: /usr/sbin/update-alternatives x-session-manager --config
14:39
yanu: and: /usr/sbin/update-alternatives x-window-manager --config
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<Guil-T>
LDM_DIRECTX = True
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!pastebin
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<ltspbot>
Guil-T: Error: "pastebin" is not a valid command.
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<Guil-T>
!pastebot
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14:41
<ltsppbot>
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<Guil-T>
thats the only tweek possible?
14:42
anybody familliar with the amd driver
14:43
<ltsppbot>
"Guil-T" pasted "my xorg.conf file" (124 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/438
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<Guil-T>
here is my xorg.conf file
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anything I could do to speed up things a litle
14:44
cuz its extremely choppy
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<johnny>
i don't know anything about amd driver..
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<yanu>
vagrantc_: can i use that for a specific users and then another dm for another user?
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<vagrantc_>
yanu: the display manager comes up before the user has logged in... so i don't see any way you can select the display manager based on the user ... ?
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yanu: oh, you mean desktop manager ...
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yanu: if you create a ~/.xsession file for each user, it will use that.
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<yanu>
thx, if they complain, then i'll try that
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nice work, congrats to all the maintainers !
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